Students return to Liberty U and start getting sick

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GoneGirl
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Falwell recalled 2,000 students. 800 have now gone back home.

Falwell is now denying he put students at risk and telling the NYT they need to retract their story. But 800 students have gone home, and Fallwell is offering a (paltry) $1000 tuition credit to students who don't want to stay. People in Lynchburg, VA, where Liberty U is based, are furious ( https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/03/29/falwell-liberty-university-coronavirus-covid-19-pandemic-152467 ) because Falwell has put the entire community at risk.

Here's The Hill's coverage:

https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/490091-liberty-university-students-report-symptoms-that-suggest-coronavirus

The school's director of student health services told The New York Timesin an interview that nearly a dozen students had reported symptoms similar to those experienced in confirmed coronavirus cases, with three of those students later being sent to hospitals for testing. No cases of the virus have been confirmed on the school's campus.

Liberty was in the news this week after students began returning to the Virginia campus despite the increasing number of coronavirus cases across the nation.

Students returning to campus are now reportedly being directed to self-quarantine for two weeks, while Liberty's president, Jerry Falwell Jr., told the Times that around 800 of the 1,900 students who initially returned to on-campus housing for spring semester had voluntarily gone home. It was unclear, Falwell said, how many remained in off-campus housing.

The director of student health services, Dr. Thomas Eppes Jr., told Falwell that the school had "lost the ability" to control how many students would be infected should classes resume on campus.

"We've lost the ability to corral this thing," Eppes said he told Falwell, according to the Times.

But he stopped short of telling Falwell to send students home. "I just am not going to be so presumptuous as to say, 'This is what you should do and this is what you shouldn't do,'" Eppes said.

Falwell, a public ally of President Trump, has publicly derided concern over the coronavirus outbreak and criticized other universities that have sent students home or moved to online classes to avoid in-person gatherings.

He told the Times in an interview that the school would continue to notify its community of developments related to the coronavirus but did not indicate that the school would send students home.

"Liberty will be notifying the community as deemed appropriate and required by law," Falwell told the Times.

On Friday, he announced that students who wished to withdraw from classes for the semester would received a $1,000 credit towards next year's classes.

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/03/29/falwell-liberty-university-coronavirus-covid-19-pandemic-152467

"Remember when people wanted to tar and feather folks? That's about the level it's at in the Lynchburg community right now," a former longtime Falwell associate told me over the phone. "You have 16,000 petri dishes he's inviting back to Lynchburg, who have gone out all over country for spring breakhe's inviting them back into our city, our community, knowing that at some point they're gonna have to interact with the public."

Throughout the Commonwealth of Virginia, efforts to stop the spread of the novel coronavirus have led colleges to upend their plans for the semester by moving classes online, canceling commencement ceremonies andcritically, from a public-health perspectivemoving students out of dorms. Virginia Tech is practically begging students to stay away, enticing them with cash rebates. The University of Virginia has shut down its dorm system, save for those few students "who have no other option."

Liberty University, meanwhile, has invited its students to return to the dorms, whatever their circumstances might be. Falwell has said this decision was in students' best intereststhat students would be better off if they returned to campus before the coronavirus spreadbut that suggestion has met with exasperation by public health experts, state and local officials, and many residents of Lynchburg.




LTbear
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Falwell is an idiot, who could have known.
Flaming Moderate
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The Falwell's always have seemed to care more about publicity than people.
Canada2017
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Major blunder .
blackie
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This was predictable and was stated so on this board as soon as it was announced. It was probably intended to support the it is a hoax lie. Students were placed in a no-win situation. This guy deserves every bad press, truth or lie, he gets. The only guy worse at this point is the idiot pastor in Louisiana.
Bearitto
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12 out of 1900 students got flu like symptoms at a university. PANIC!!!!

Falwell made the right call. We should all be back to business as usual. It's a real shame the chicken Littles are scaring people with statistically nothing to worry about.
Redbrickbear
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If you don't like Falwell Jr. than fine...but this is not a good reason to pounce.

Many of these kids don't have anywhere else to go....foreign students...kids with unstable home lives...etc.

They are the age group most likely to NOT suffer serious issues from the virus 18-22 year olds.

They are NOT going to class and thus exposing professors...they are just living in the dorms (that they already paid for) and and taking video conference classes.

And they are not being allowed to go out around lynchburg...they have to stay at their dorm during this quarantine

This is not a crazy idea.
Redbrickbear
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Whatever happens we can be sure of this:

1. If none of the kids die and the self quarantine and taking classes at the dorm works.....the media will never report on it and it will be memory holed.

2. If there is even 1 death...which statistically could happen anywhere....the media will pound Liberty University and by extension conservative Christians into the ground for their "reckless" actions.
Flaming Moderate
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Redbrickbear said:

Whatever happens we can be sure of this:

1. If none of the kids die and the self quarantine and taking classes at the dorm works.....the media will never report on it and it will be memory holed.

2. If there is even 1 death...which statistically could happen anywhere....the media will pound Liberty University and by extension conservative Christians into the ground for their "reckless" actions.
LOL. You're probably right. If it were not Liberty, the story would be "Brave university helps shelter and support international and minority students during crisis."
Booray
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Bearitto said:

12 out of 1900 students got flu like symptoms at a university. PANIC!!!!

Falwell made the right call. We should all be back to business as usual. It's a real shame the chicken Littles are scaring people with statistically nothing to worry about.
"Statistically," these are the sort of people at risk. No big loss I guess?

https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/31/health/neurosurgeon-goodrich-tribute-conjoined-twins/index.html
GoneGirl
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Redbrickbear said:

If you don't like Falwell Jr. than fine...but this is not a good reason to pounce.

Many of these kids don't have anywhere else to go....foreign students...kids with unstable home lives...etc.

They are the age group most likely to NOT suffer serious issues from the virus 18-22 year olds.

They are NOT going to class and thus exposing professors...they are just living in the dorms (that they already paid for) and and taking video conference classes.

And they are not being allowed to go out around lynchburg...they have to stay at their dorm during this quarantine

This is not a crazy idea.
Most Liberty students are white:

https://datausa.io/profile/university/232557

MOST COMMON RACE OR ETHNICITY
[ol]
  • White
    35,463
  • Black or African American
    10,682
  • Hispanic or Latino
    3,868
  • [/ol]
    The federal government is helping to pay for the education of the vast majority of Liberty U students:

    In 2017, 84% of undergraduate students received federal grants, while 63% of undergraduate students received federal loans.
    El Oso
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    Redbrickbear said:

    If you don't like Falwell Jr. than fine...but this is not a good reason to pounce.

    Many of these kids don't have anywhere else to go....foreign students...kids with unstable home lives...etc.

    They are the age group most likely to NOT suffer serious issues from the virus 18-22 year olds.

    They are NOT going to class and thus exposing professors...they are just living in the dorms (that they already paid for) and and taking video conference classes.

    And they are not being allowed to go out around lynchburg...they have to stay at their dorm during this quarantine

    This is not a crazy idea.
    This. Home insecurity and food insecurity are two of the biggest issues facing today's college student. Falwell solved that problem for students who came back to where those things existed and had already been paid for.

    It wasn't the best solution or idea, but it's something very few colleges even attempted to help their students address.
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    El Oso said:

    Redbrickbear said:

    If you don't like Falwell Jr. than fine...but this is not a good reason to pounce.

    Many of these kids don't have anywhere else to go....foreign students...kids with unstable home lives...etc.

    They are the age group most likely to NOT suffer serious issues from the virus 18-22 year olds.

    They are NOT going to class and thus exposing professors...they are just living in the dorms (that they already paid for) and and taking video conference classes.

    And they are not being allowed to go out around lynchburg...they have to stay at their dorm during this quarantine

    This is not a crazy idea.
    This. Home insecurity and food insecurity are two of the biggest issues facing today's college student. Falwell solved that problem for students who came back to where those things existed and had already been paid for.

    It wasn't the best solution or idea, but it's something very few colleges even attempted to help their students address.
    I will be accountable for falling in the bear trap. I tend to not have much respect for Falwell, so I assumed bad intent. Looks like maybe he was ahead of the curve on this one.

    What do poor international and minority students do if they cannot afford to travel home and have no place to go? We just throw them out in the streets? Maybe ole Jerry Jr. was doing the right thing.
    Redbrickbear
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    Jinx 2 said:

    Redbrickbear said:

    If you don't like Falwell Jr. than fine...but this is not a good reason to pounce.

    Many of these kids don't have anywhere else to go....foreign students...kids with unstable home lives...etc.

    They are the age group most likely to NOT suffer serious issues from the virus 18-22 year olds.

    They are NOT going to class and thus exposing professors...they are just living in the dorms (that they already paid for) and and taking video conference classes.

    And they are not being allowed to go out around lynchburg...they have to stay at their dorm during this quarantine

    This is not a crazy idea.
    Most Liberty students are white:

    https://datausa.io/profile/university/232557

    MOST COMMON RACE OR ETHNICITY
    [ol]
  • White
    35,463
  • Black or African American
    10,682
  • Hispanic or Latino
    3,868
  • [/ol]
    The federal government is helping to pay for the education of the vast majority of Liberty U students:

    In 2017, 84% of undergraduate students received federal grants, while 63% of undergraduate students received federal loans.

    White kids don't come from bad family environments? There are no white kids from Foreign countries? You know places like Canada, Australia, New Zealand, South Africa...or the continent of Europe.

    Wut?
    Sam Lowry
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    Home insecurity is a red herring. Falwell could have done what Baylor and other schools did, which was tell the students to come back if and only if it was absolutely necessary.
    EatMoreSalmon
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    Should apartment complexes be emptied? What Liberty did looks to be a nonissue turned into one.
    Forest Bueller_bf
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    Jinx 2 said:

    Redbrickbear said:

    If you don't like Falwell Jr. than fine...but this is not a good reason to pounce.

    Many of these kids don't have anywhere else to go....foreign students...kids with unstable home lives...etc.

    They are the age group most likely to NOT suffer serious issues from the virus 18-22 year olds.

    They are NOT going to class and thus exposing professors...they are just living in the dorms (that they already paid for) and and taking video conference classes.

    And they are not being allowed to go out around lynchburg...they have to stay at their dorm during this quarantine

    This is not a crazy idea.
    Most Liberty students are white:

    https://datausa.io/profile/university/232557

    MOST COMMON RACE OR ETHNICITY
    [ol]
  • White
    35,463
  • Black or African American
    10,682
  • Hispanic or Latino
    3,868
  • [/ol]
    The federal government is helping to pay for the education of the vast majority of Liberty U students:

    In 2017, 84% of undergraduate students received federal grants, while 63% of undergraduate students received federal loans.

    1) I think unless the kid had nowhere else to go, they shouldn't have returned. That said didn't realize they were basically sheltering in place and doing video school, that's basically what we are all doing.

    2) Not sure why we are pointing out "most" Liberty students are white. You do realize as far as diversity 21% Black or African American students, considering 11% of the population is black, is clearly outstanding.

    3) 84% of students get Federal Grants, that is not a student loan, meaning this is a very middle class student body, these ain't rich folk.

    4) You have actually caused me to have more respect for Falwell than I had before, which admittedly didn't take much.
    J.R.
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    Redbrickbear said:

    If you don't like Falwell Jr. than fine...but this is not a good reason to pounce.

    Many of these kids don't have anywhere else to go....foreign students...kids with unstable home lives...etc.

    They are the age group most likely to NOT suffer serious issues from the virus 18-22 year olds.

    They are NOT going to class and thus exposing professors...they are just living in the dorms (that they already paid for) and and taking video conference classes.

    And they are not being allowed to go out around lynchburg...they have to stay at their dorm during this quarantine

    This is not a crazy idea.
    That can apply to any college or university in the country. I'm paying for an apt and a house at 2 different schools. This is just insanity. Yeah, college kids are really good obeying these rules.
    PartyBear
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    I think most universities have cleared their dorms and given pro rata refunds to the kids in the dorms.
    J.R.
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    PartyBear said:

    I think most universities have cleared their dorms and given pro rata refunds to the kids in the dorms.
    dorms, yes, meal plan too. not houses.
    Flaming Moderate
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    Sam Lowry said:

    Home insecurity is a red herring. Falwell could have done what Baylor and other schools did, which was tell the students to come back if and only if it was absolutely necessary.
    What is the definition of "absolutely necessary" and who adjudicates the claim?
    Sam Lowry
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    Flaming Moderate said:

    Sam Lowry said:

    Home insecurity is a red herring. Falwell could have done what Baylor and other schools did, which was tell the students to come back if and only if it was absolutely necessary.
    What is the definition of "absolutely necessary" and who adjudicates the claim?
    That's up to the university. What you don't do is tell everyone to come back and carry on as usual. To be fair, Liberty isn't the only school doing this. But it's a particularly bad look for a religious school at a time when some churches are defying the law and suing state governments over shelter in place orders. It's just stupid behavior that gives people an excuse to scapegoat Christians.
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    Sam Lowry said:

    Flaming Moderate said:

    Sam Lowry said:

    Home insecurity is a red herring. Falwell could have done what Baylor and other schools did, which was tell the students to come back if and only if it was absolutely necessary.
    What is the definition of "absolutely necessary" and who adjudicates the claim?
    That's up to the university. What you don't do is tell everyone to come back and carry on as usual. To be fair, Liberty isn't the only school doing this. But it's a particularly bad look for a religious school at a time when some churches are defying the law and suing state governments over shelter in place orders. It's just stupid behavior that gives people an excuse to scapegoat Christians.
    I see your point, but it's not like people are not going to scapegoat Christians. We have been in a post-truth culture for a while.
    pilgrim
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    There are at least five types or levels of fool indicated in Proverbs. The decisions and attitudes by leaders at Liberty recently have hit all five.
    Bearitto
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    Booray said:

    Bearitto said:

    12 out of 1900 students got flu like symptoms at a university. PANIC!!!!

    Falwell made the right call. We should all be back to business as usual. It's a real shame the chicken Littles are scaring people with statistically nothing to worry about.
    "Statistically," these are the sort of people at risk. No big loss I guess?

    https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/31/health/neurosurgeon-goodrich-tribute-conjoined-twins/index.html


    So this neurosurgeon was a liberty student? No? Then given his age, he should have self isolated. His death is not a reason to stop kids from learning and parents from working to feed their kids.
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