How much worse would things be if Hillary Clinton had been elected?

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8:50p, 7/8/20
1. We would have had more lefty SC judges and so more lefty decisions.
2. We would have had a worse economy because she would have lacked the ability to bring back any manufacturing jobs among other things.
3. We would be living in a much more pc culture because there would be even greater pressure placed on conservative voices to watch their words and actions.
4. We would likely have seen more attacks on Christianity though not to the degree we would have seen with the Obama/Biden administration.
5. We would have seen no action towards improving immigration and probably seen action to increase open borders. Plus, the Republicans would have moved away from a party challenging illegal immigration to a party that accepted illegal immigration with the Marco Rubios of the world.
6. We would have been slower to react to the Corona virus because Hillary would not be willing to call out the Chinese.
7. We would have Bill Clinton around interns again which can't be a good thing. For that matter, Anthony Weiner would probably be prowling around the White House too.
8. We would probably been dragged into a couple more conflicts because Hillary would feel the need to show that she was tough.
9. Marxist and other subversive groups would gain an even greater foothold in government.
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9:05p, 7/8/20
10. More "suicides."
Your ideas are intriguing to me, and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter.
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9:08p, 7/8/20
An ex-president or two might be sleeping better.
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In reply to GrowlTowel • 9:50p, 7/8/20
GrowlTowel said:
10. More "suicides."
It would seem so.
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In reply to 57Bear • 9:50p, 7/8/20
57Bear said:
An ex-president or two might be sleeping better.
Which ones though?
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In reply to BaylorFTW • 10:20p, 7/8/20
BaylorFTW said:
1. We would have had more lefty SC judges and so more lefty decisions.
2. We would have had a worse economy because she would have lacked the ability to bring back any manufacturing jobs among other things.
3. We would be living in a much more pc culture because there would be even greater pressure placed on conservative voices to watch their words and actions.
4. We would likely have seen more attacks on Christianity though not to the degree we would have seen with the Obama/Biden administration.
5. We would have seen no action towards improving immigration and probably seen action to increase open borders. Plus, the Republicans would have moved away from a party challenging illegal immigration to a party that accepted illegal immigration with the Marco Rubios of the world.
6. We would have been slower to react to the Corona virus because Hillary would not be willing to call out the Chinese.
7. We would have Bill Clinton around interns again which can't be a good thing. For that matter, Anthony Weiner would probably be prowling around the White House too.
8. We would probably been dragged into a couple more conflicts because Hillary would feel the need to show that she was tough.
9. Marxist and other subversive groups would gain an even greater foothold in government.
Could there have been a slower response to the Coronavirus? I don't think that's possible.
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In reply to cinque • 10:36p, 7/8/20
cinque said:
BaylorFTW said:
1. We would have had more lefty SC judges and so more lefty decisions.
2. We would have had a worse economy because she would have lacked the ability to bring back any manufacturing jobs among other things.
3. We would be living in a much more pc culture because there would be even greater pressure placed on conservative voices to watch their words and actions.
4. We would likely have seen more attacks on Christianity though not to the degree we would have seen with the Obama/Biden administration.
5. We would have seen no action towards improving immigration and probably seen action to increase open borders. Plus, the Republicans would have moved away from a party challenging illegal immigration to a party that accepted illegal immigration with the Marco Rubios of the world.
6. We would have been slower to react to the Corona virus because Hillary would not be willing to call out the Chinese.
7. We would have Bill Clinton around interns again which can't be a good thing. For that matter, Anthony Weiner would probably be prowling around the White House too.
8. We would probably been dragged into a couple more conflicts because Hillary would feel the need to show that she was tough.
9. Marxist and other subversive groups would gain an even greater foothold in government.
Could there have been a slower response to the Coronavirus? I don't think that's possible.


Really? You called him Xenophobic.
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In reply to GrowlTowel • 10:38p, 7/8/20
GrowlTowel said:
cinque said:
BaylorFTW said:
1. We would have had more lefty SC judges and so more lefty decisions.
2. We would have had a worse economy because she would have lacked the ability to bring back any manufacturing jobs among other things.
3. We would be living in a much more pc culture because there would be even greater pressure placed on conservative voices to watch their words and actions.
4. We would likely have seen more attacks on Christianity though not to the degree we would have seen with the Obama/Biden administration.
5. We would have seen no action towards improving immigration and probably seen action to increase open borders. Plus, the Republicans would have moved away from a party challenging illegal immigration to a party that accepted illegal immigration with the Marco Rubios of the world.
6. We would have been slower to react to the Corona virus because Hillary would not be willing to call out the Chinese.
7. We would have Bill Clinton around interns again which can't be a good thing. For that matter, Anthony Weiner would probably be prowling around the White House too.
8. We would probably been dragged into a couple more conflicts because Hillary would feel the need to show that she was tough.
9. Marxist and other subversive groups would gain an even greater foothold in government.
Could there have been a slower response to the Coronavirus? I don't think that's possible.


Really? You called him Xenophobic.
How quickly they forget.
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In reply to GrowlTowel • 10:38p, 7/8/20
GrowlTowel said:
cinque said:
BaylorFTW said:
1. We would have had more lefty SC judges and so more lefty decisions.
2. We would have had a worse economy because she would have lacked the ability to bring back any manufacturing jobs among other things.
3. We would be living in a much more pc culture because there would be even greater pressure placed on conservative voices to watch their words and actions.
4. We would likely have seen more attacks on Christianity though not to the degree we would have seen with the Obama/Biden administration.
5. We would have seen no action towards improving immigration and probably seen action to increase open borders. Plus, the Republicans would have moved away from a party challenging illegal immigration to a party that accepted illegal immigration with the Marco Rubios of the world.
6. We would have been slower to react to the Corona virus because Hillary would not be willing to call out the Chinese.
7. We would have Bill Clinton around interns again which can't be a good thing. For that matter, Anthony Weiner would probably be prowling around the White House too.
8. We would probably been dragged into a couple more conflicts because Hillary would feel the need to show that she was tough.
9. Marxist and other subversive groups would gain an even greater foothold in government.
Could there have been a slower response to the Coronavirus? I don't think that's possible.


Really? You called him Xenophobic.
Among other things. His sister called him a clown.
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In reply to GrowlTowel • 11:01p, 7/8/20
GrowlTowel said:
10. More "suicides."
11. Since we would've never come anywhere close to building the best economy in over a half century under Hillary, Covid would've likely thrown us all the way into a full blown 1930's level Great Depression that we would presently be reeling from - instead of rapidly digging ourselves out of the Covid economic damage as is clearly the case.
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11:17p, 7/8/20
"Never underestimate Joe's ability to **** things up!"

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In reply to cinque • 11:41p, 7/8/20
cinque said:
BaylorFTW said:
1. We would have had more lefty SC judges and so more lefty decisions.
2. We would have had a worse economy because she would have lacked the ability to bring back any manufacturing jobs among other things.
3. We would be living in a much more pc culture because there would be even greater pressure placed on conservative voices to watch their words and actions.
4. We would likely have seen more attacks on Christianity though not to the degree we would have seen with the Obama/Biden administration.
5. We would have seen no action towards improving immigration and probably seen action to increase open borders. Plus, the Republicans would have moved away from a party challenging illegal immigration to a party that accepted illegal immigration with the Marco Rubios of the world.
6. We would have been slower to react to the Corona virus because Hillary would not be willing to call out the Chinese.
7. We would have Bill Clinton around interns again which can't be a good thing. For that matter, Anthony Weiner would probably be prowling around the White House too.
8. We would probably been dragged into a couple more conflicts because Hillary would feel the need to show that she was tough.
9. Marxist and other subversive groups would gain an even greater foothold in government.
Could there have been a slower response to the Coronavirus? I don't think that's possible.
Sure... could've been a lot slower. Could've been as slow as the response to Benghazi
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2:40a, 7/9/20
We'd have had to endure Trump's unfruitful, devisive potshots from the sidelines during every moment of crisis, which only differs from the current situation in that under a president Hillary he would he doing his usual schtick without having any official responsibility to contribute.
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In reply to cinque • 6:03a, 7/9/20
cinque said:
BaylorFTW said:
1. We would have had more lefty SC judges and so more lefty decisions.
2. We would have had a worse economy because she would have lacked the ability to bring back any manufacturing jobs among other things.
3. We would be living in a much more pc culture because there would be even greater pressure placed on conservative voices to watch their words and actions.
4. We would likely have seen more attacks on Christianity though not to the degree we would have seen with the Obama/Biden administration.
5. We would have seen no action towards improving immigration and probably seen action to increase open borders. Plus, the Republicans would have moved away from a party challenging illegal immigration to a party that accepted illegal immigration with the Marco Rubios of the world.
6. We would have been slower to react to the Corona virus because Hillary would not be willing to call out the Chinese.
7. We would have Bill Clinton around interns again which can't be a good thing. For that matter, Anthony Weiner would probably be prowling around the White House too.
8. We would probably been dragged into a couple more conflicts because Hillary would feel the need to show that she was tough.
9. Marxist and other subversive groups would gain an even greater foothold in government.
Could there have been a slower response to the Coronavirus? I don't think that's possible.
Yeah there could you moron. You' have people here with virtually no health care who can't even pronounce the word "coronavirus." Of course, to your point, we would not have had endless impeachment hearings going on so Congress would not have obsessed with that and maybe it might have shed more light on it. But Trump did his dead level best to keep America calm....shutting down flights from China. What the hell else would you have wanted him to do? He formed a task force, had daily briefings, then Fauci (the little twit) kept changing his mind. Everybody was calling for respirators and ventilators so private industry sprang into action.

You are so short-sighted it is pathetic. The virus probably would have destroyed this country bc lawlessness would have rampaging throughout the country even more so than now. Your taxes would be 90% leaving you to eat just bread and water.

You people who espouse to ANYTHING and ANYBODY but Trump are out to lunch. If you cannot see that the agenda is to burn this country down and let Marxists take over at the top then your IQ is about your shoe size. What is it with you people who think that racism is the primary problem. BLM only exists to combat police brutality. They don't care if children less than 10 get killed in black neighborhoods. Don Lemon said it himself. Black on black crime is not even on their radar. I do not understand you and usernamechecksout. You guys are going to be in for an awakening if MoJoe gets elected AND Congress is taken over by Dems. Get your guns and ammo now cuz they'll be coming for you. If you think I'm wrong you need to take a 30K foot look at this whole situation. The thought police will be out in full force and religion, forget about it.

I'm not going on and on with you, but you are a problem. You are a contributor to the escalation of these idealogues.
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In reply to Username checks out • 10:00a, 7/9/20
Username checks out said:
We'd have had to endure Trump's unfruitful, devisive potshots from the sidelines during every moment of crisis, which only differs from the current situation in that under a president Hillary he would he doing his usual schtick without having any official responsibility to contribute.
*divisive
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10:10a, 7/9/20
China would have contained it because she would have bent the knee on them economically screwing us.
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10:40a, 7/9/20
Trump would be a much happier person.
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In reply to Doc Holliday • 2:40p, 7/9/20
Doc Holliday said:
China would have contained it because she would have bent the knee on them economically screwing us.
Why would that have allowed China to contain it? Are you saying China didn't contain it on purpose?
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In reply to BaylorFTW • 2:44p, 7/9/20
BaylorFTW said:
Doc Holliday said:
China would have contained it because she would have bent the knee on them economically screwing us.
Are you saying China didn't contain it on purpose?
Yes.
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2:48p, 7/9/20
I think our society would have been better as Republicans seem to take losing a presidential election better. We would not have had the awful, deceptive Kavanaugh fiasco by the Dems...we would not have the MSM peddling anti-Trump crap all day...they'd be fawning over Hillary. We would have had less civil unrest as the younger generation would have gotten their way.

If Hillary won, no way CNN peddles misquotes against Hillary like they did with the Mexican rapist and Charlottesville quotes...
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In reply to fadskier • 3:03p, 7/9/20
fadskier said:
I think our society would have been better as Republicans seem to take losing a presidential election better. We would not have had the awful, deceptive Kavanaugh fiasco by the Dems...we would not have the MSM peddling anti-Trump crap all day...they'd be fawning over Hillary. We would have had less civil unrest as the younger generation would have gotten their way.

If Hillary won, no way CNN peddles misquotes against Hillary like they did with the Mexican rapist and Charlottesville quotes...
How would the country be better in the short term and more importantly, the long term? More Republicans would suffer in silence and the future would look bleaker. More of the costs of bad decisions would be felt throughout society and the Dems would deflect blame on white supremacy or some other boogeyman never taking responsibility for their failures. Plus, our society would move further away from ultimate reality.
Just because Dems can be sore losers and toxic to society when they lose doesn't mean society should cave to their demands. Plus, if Republicans had not won, they might never win again which has all kinds of negative consequences. Republicans had to win for the sanity of the country. The Dem's behavior in the aftermath just exposed how important it was for Republicans to win. Also, appeasement strategies are loser strategies. They just embolden the other side to keep coming back for more and more.
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3:09p, 7/9/20
No different, although I'm sure it'd be the other subset of the duopoly *****ing about.
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3:32p, 7/9/20
The ultimate deflection thread.

And for the record, if Hillary had been elected we would still be knee deep in the Senate's email investigation; we would have only 7 Supreme Court justices and about 30% of the rest of the federal bench vacant as we all wait for Mitch McConnell to quit holding his breath.

The deficit would have been about 1/2 the size that it turned out to be as there would have been no tax "reform." We would still be able to verify Iran's nuclear status and we would have allies in our China trade disputes. We would not have had to jack up our subsidies to American farmers.

Our response to the pandemic would have been guided by science.

Our tech and biomedical companies would be able to get the engineers/scientist they need.

Twitter would not be the place to go to find out how badly the POTUS had trashed half of the country she governs.

The EPA wold not be searching out ways to trash the planet.

And most of that would apply if Hillary had lost to any of the other 16 candidates who ran against Trump
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3:40p, 7/9/20
Hillary Clinton," Let them eat cake!"
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In reply to Booray • 3:53p, 7/9/20
Booray said:
The ultimate deflection thread.

And for the record, if Hillary had been elected we would still be knee deep in the Senate's email investigation; we would have only 7 Supreme Court justices and about 30% of the rest of the federal bench vacant as we all wait for Mitch McConnell to quit holding his breath.

The deficit would have been about 1/2 the size that it turned out to be as there would have been no tax "reform." We would still be able to verify Iran's nuclear status and we would have allies in our China trade disputes. We would not have had to jack up our subsidies to American farmers.

Our response to the pandemic would have been guided by science.

Our tech and biomedical companies would be able to get the engineers/scientist they need.

Twitter would not be the place to go to find out how badly the POTUS had trashed half of the country she governs.

The EPA wold not be searching out ways to trash the planet.

And most of that would apply if Hillary had lost to any of the other 16 candidates who ran against Trump
How has the response to the pandemic not been guided by science?
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In reply to fadskier • 4:37p, 7/9/20
fadskier said:
Booray said:
The ultimate deflection thread.

And for the record, if Hillary had been elected we would still be knee deep in the Senate's email investigation; we would have only 7 Supreme Court justices and about 30% of the rest of the federal bench vacant as we all wait for Mitch McConnell to quit holding his breath.

The deficit would have been about 1/2 the size that it turned out to be as there would have been no tax "reform." We would still be able to verify Iran's nuclear status and we would have allies in our China trade disputes. We would not have had to jack up our subsidies to American farmers.

Our response to the pandemic would have been guided by science.

Our tech and biomedical companies would be able to get the engineers/scientist they need.

Twitter would not be the place to go to find out how badly the POTUS had trashed half of the country she governs.

The EPA wold not be searching out ways to trash the planet.

And most of that would apply if Hillary had lost to any of the other 16 candidates who ran against Trump
How has the response to the pandemic not been guided by science?
The messaging on masks has been terrible.

POTUS bullied the CDC out of its reopen school guidelines

POTUS has tried to de-emphasize testing and contact tracing

Governors have forced Covid positive patients to return to nursing homes

Re-openings ignored safety markers established by the CDC

POTUS undermining Fauci's assessment of the situation for the purpose of painting a rosy picture

POTUS implicitly encourages absence of social distancing and masks for campaign rallies, Governors and mayors do the same for protests

Touting unproven drugs

I am sure the signators to this letter could add much more:

https://medium.com/@FmrGovScientistsnOfficials/statement-from-former-gov-bcf9dc631f7d





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4:40p, 7/9/20
Honestly, Hillary wouldn't have been a good President, but I'm not sure this media/leftist insanity would have taken off had she won. In that respect, maybe we wouldn't be so close to the fringe of self-destruction.
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In reply to FWBear • 5:09p, 7/9/20
FWBear said:
Honestly, Hillary wouldn't have been a good President, but I'm not sure this media/leftist insanity would have taken off had she won. In that respect, maybe we wouldn't be so close to the fringe of self-destruction.
Are you speaking of OUR OWN self-destruction or the USA? You have to know that all the corruption in the FBI, CIA, etc. would have never shown itself and worse, it would continue to this very day. Trump has the kahunas to week these people out but people in his own party are weak. We need 535 Congressional Trumps!
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In reply to wuzzybear • 5:18p, 7/9/20
wuzzybear said:
FWBear said:
Honestly, Hillary wouldn't have been a good President, but I'm not sure this media/leftist insanity would have taken off had she won. In that respect, maybe we wouldn't be so close to the fringe of self-destruction.
Are you speaking of OUR OWN self-destruction or the USA? You have to know that all the corruption in the FBI, CIA, etc. would have never shown itself and worse, it would continue to this very day. Trump has the kahunas to week these people out but people in his own party are weak. We need 535 Congressional Trumps!
Trump isn't going to win that battle. Maybe shed light on it, but that's it.

Government corruption aside, this Country is being lost to the unwashed mob right before our eyes. Marxist immigrants are being elected to government for the specific purpose of toppling our society. At some point, Americans won't deserve what our Founders gave us, and that time is close.
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In reply to Booray • 6:02p, 7/9/20
Booray said:
fadskier said:
Booray said:
The ultimate deflection thread.

And for the record, if Hillary had been elected we would still be knee deep in the Senate's email investigation; we would have only 7 Supreme Court justices and about 30% of the rest of the federal bench vacant as we all wait for Mitch McConnell to quit holding his breath.

The deficit would have been about 1/2 the size that it turned out to be as there would have been no tax "reform." We would still be able to verify Iran's nuclear status and we would have allies in our China trade disputes. We would not have had to jack up our subsidies to American farmers.

Our response to the pandemic would have been guided by science.

Our tech and biomedical companies would be able to get the engineers/scientist they need.

Twitter would not be the place to go to find out how badly the POTUS had trashed half of the country she governs.

The EPA wold not be searching out ways to trash the planet.

And most of that would apply if Hillary had lost to any of the other 16 candidates who ran against Trump
How has the response to the pandemic not been guided by science?
The messaging on masks has been terrible.

POTUS bullied the CDC out of its reopen school guidelines

POTUS has tried to de-emphasize testing and contact tracing

Governors have forced Covid positive patients to return to nursing homes

Re-openings ignored safety markers established by the CDC

POTUS undermining Fauci's assessment of the situation for the purpose of painting a rosy picture

POTUS implicitly encourages absence of social distancing and masks for campaign rallies, Governors and mayors do the same for protests

Touting unproven drugs

I am sure the signators to this letter could add much more:

https://medium.com/@FmrGovScientistsnOfficials/statement-from-former-gov-bcf9dc631f7d





I'm not sure many of those are Trump's fault...and I'm not sure any president could be successful. We don't trust our government, no matter who is in charge. That's been the problem in Texas...even with a Republican governor...people don't trust and don't want to be told what to do.

Again, I don't blame the government. These are our choices....mask, not to mask...got to school/not go to school....we have choices.
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In reply to fadskier • 6:05p, 7/9/20
fadskier said:
Booray said:
fadskier said:
Booray said:
The ultimate deflection thread.

And for the record, if Hillary had been elected we would still be knee deep in the Senate's email investigation; we would have only 7 Supreme Court justices and about 30% of the rest of the federal bench vacant as we all wait for Mitch McConnell to quit holding his breath.

The deficit would have been about 1/2 the size that it turned out to be as there would have been no tax "reform." We would still be able to verify Iran's nuclear status and we would have allies in our China trade disputes. We would not have had to jack up our subsidies to American farmers.

Our response to the pandemic would have been guided by science.

Our tech and biomedical companies would be able to get the engineers/scientist they need.

Twitter would not be the place to go to find out how badly the POTUS had trashed half of the country she governs.

The EPA wold not be searching out ways to trash the planet.

And most of that would apply if Hillary had lost to any of the other 16 candidates who ran against Trump
How has the response to the pandemic not been guided by science?
The messaging on masks has been terrible.

POTUS bullied the CDC out of its reopen school guidelines

POTUS has tried to de-emphasize testing and contact tracing

Governors have forced Covid positive patients to return to nursing homes

Re-openings ignored safety markers established by the CDC

POTUS undermining Fauci's assessment of the situation for the purpose of painting a rosy picture

POTUS implicitly encourages absence of social distancing and masks for campaign rallies, Governors and mayors do the same for protests

Touting unproven drugs

I am sure the signators to this letter could add much more:

https://medium.com/@FmrGovScientistsnOfficials/statement-from-former-gov-bcf9dc631f7d





I'm not sure many of those are Trump's fault...and I'm not sure any president could be successful. We don't trust our government, no matter who is in charge. That's been the problem in Texas...even with a Republican governor...people don't trust and don't want to be told what to do.

Again, I don't blame the government. These are our choices....mask, not to mask...got to school/not go to school....we have choices.
Trump spent the last 4 years telling people not to trust the government. And you are surprised at the result?
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In reply to Booray • 6:09p, 7/9/20
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fadskier said:
Booray said:
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The ultimate deflection thread.

And for the record, if Hillary had been elected we would still be knee deep in the Senate's email investigation; we would have only 7 Supreme Court justices and about 30% of the rest of the federal bench vacant as we all wait for Mitch McConnell to quit holding his breath.

The deficit would have been about 1/2 the size that it turned out to be as there would have been no tax "reform." We would still be able to verify Iran's nuclear status and we would have allies in our China trade disputes. We would not have had to jack up our subsidies to American farmers.

Our response to the pandemic would have been guided by science.

Our tech and biomedical companies would be able to get the engineers/scientist they need.

Twitter would not be the place to go to find out how badly the POTUS had trashed half of the country she governs.

The EPA wold not be searching out ways to trash the planet.

And most of that would apply if Hillary had lost to any of the other 16 candidates who ran against Trump
How has the response to the pandemic not been guided by science?
The messaging on masks has been terrible.

POTUS bullied the CDC out of its reopen school guidelines

POTUS has tried to de-emphasize testing and contact tracing

Governors have forced Covid positive patients to return to nursing homes

Re-openings ignored safety markers established by the CDC

POTUS undermining Fauci's assessment of the situation for the purpose of painting a rosy picture

POTUS implicitly encourages absence of social distancing and masks for campaign rallies, Governors and mayors do the same for protests

Touting unproven drugs

I am sure the signators to this letter could add much more:

https://medium.com/@FmrGovScientistsnOfficials/statement-from-former-gov-bcf9dc631f7d





I'm not sure many of those are Trump's fault...and I'm not sure any president could be successful. We don't trust our government, no matter who is in charge. That's been the problem in Texas...even with a Republican governor...people don't trust and don't want to be told what to do.

Again, I don't blame the government. These are our choices....mask, not to mask...got to school/not go to school....we have choices.
Trump spent the last 4 years telling people not to trust the government. And you are surprised at the result?
We've never trusted our government. I've never believed a President just because they were "the President." Every President lies and is political...and Trump is right. I don't trust him either.
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I actually think life would be better. And I don't like Clinton at all.

But the country wouldn't be nearly as hostile, I do think the virus would be more under control, the deficit would likely be lower as the Republican Senate would have warred with her.

Trade off would be that we lose the tax cuts and Supreme Court justices.

But I do believe the national mood would be less militant on both sides. Trump has brought out the worst in the left and honestly the worst of the right as well.
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I actually think life would be better. And I don't like Clinton at all.

But the country wouldn't be nearly as hostile, I do think the virus would be more under control, the deficit would likely be lower as the Republican Senate would have warred with her.

Trade off would be that we lose the tax cuts and Supreme Court justices.

But I do believe the national mood would be less militant on both sides. Trump has brought out the worst in the left and honestly the worst of the right as well.
Trump's election brought out the worst in the left because they lost....their temper tantrums brought out the worst on the right.
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In reply to Booray • 6:25p, 7/9/20
Booray said:
fadskier said:
Booray said:
fadskier said:
Booray said:
The ultimate deflection thread.

And for the record, if Hillary had been elected we would still be knee deep in the Senate's email investigation; we would have only 7 Supreme Court justices and about 30% of the rest of the federal bench vacant as we all wait for Mitch McConnell to quit holding his breath.

The deficit would have been about 1/2 the size that it turned out to be as there would have been no tax "reform." We would still be able to verify Iran's nuclear status and we would have allies in our China trade disputes. We would not have had to jack up our subsidies to American farmers.

Our response to the pandemic would have been guided by science.

Our tech and biomedical companies would be able to get the engineers/scientist they need.

Twitter would not be the place to go to find out how badly the POTUS had trashed half of the country she governs.

The EPA wold not be searching out ways to trash the planet.

And most of that would apply if Hillary had lost to any of the other 16 candidates who ran against Trump
How has the response to the pandemic not been guided by science?
The messaging on masks has been terrible.

POTUS bullied the CDC out of its reopen school guidelines

POTUS has tried to de-emphasize testing and contact tracing

Governors have forced Covid positive patients to return to nursing homes

Re-openings ignored safety markers established by the CDC

POTUS undermining Fauci's assessment of the situation for the purpose of painting a rosy picture

POTUS implicitly encourages absence of social distancing and masks for campaign rallies, Governors and mayors do the same for protests

Touting unproven drugs

I am sure the signators to this letter could add much more:

https://medium.com/@FmrGovScientistsnOfficials/statement-from-former-gov-bcf9dc631f7d





I'm not sure many of those are Trump's fault...and I'm not sure any president could be successful. We don't trust our government, no matter who is in charge. That's been the problem in Texas...even with a Republican governor...people don't trust and don't want to be told what to do.

Again, I don't blame the government. These are our choices....mask, not to mask...got to school/not go to school....we have choices.
Trump spent the last 4 years telling people not to trust the government. And you are surprised at the result?
People didn't trust gov't long before Trump moved into the White House
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