Redbrickbear said:
They won't stop until the Republican Party is again safe for globalists, war mongers, bankers, and mass immigration lovers.
Yes, give those bankers free reign and they will end capitalism for sure. WTH?Redbrickbear said:
They won't stop until the Republican Party is again safe for globalists, war mongers, bankers, and mass immigration lovers.
You and Byron miss the point: Reform the GOP via the excision of Trumpism. It is a long term strategy and it should be revealing that they are clearly willing to risk a Democratic blip of resurgence to achieve their goal. Their support for free trade and capitalism is wonderful.Jack and DP said:
That chair you're yelling at? It's empty.Canada2017 said:
You leftists are arrogant and ignorant.
A dangerous combination that has resulted in the deaths of millions in China, Cambodia, Russia, Ukraine and Eastern Europe .
Sickening to see such murderous stupidity take hold here.
quash said:That chair you're yelling at? It's empty.Canada2017 said:
You leftists are arrogant and ignorant.
A dangerous combination that has resulted in the deaths of millions in China, Cambodia, Russia, Ukraine and Eastern Europe .
Sickening to see such murderous stupidity take hold here.
No.PartyBear said:
Booray Globalism is a Trumpian bad word for global free market economies and defending international capitalism. War Monger means standing with NATO in opposition to tyrants and wannabe tyrants.
I see the Democrats are trying to claim Reagan as one of their own.PartyBear said:Redbrickbear said:
They won't stop until the Republican Party is again safe for globalists, war mongers, bankers, and mass immigration lovers.
In other words the Reaganites, who you have maligned (which I admit I never thought I would see the day alleged Republicans malign Reaganism) want their party back.
in your war example, Trump ain't cutting none of that off. He's pumping weapons to Saudi to use on Yemen and we have stepped up our strikes and involvement in western Africa against various insurgents.Doc Holliday said:No.PartyBear said:
Booray Globalism is a Trumpian bad word for global free market economies and defending international capitalism. War Monger means standing with NATO in opposition to tyrants and wannabe tyrants.
Globalism means running a financial racket with the help of supranational entities like the EU, NATO, WHO, UN. It's about siphoning wealth from the world's middle class into the 1% and political elite using the poor as an intermediary. It can be done through war, healthcare...you name it.
Ex. US runs guns to foreign country. Foreign Country establishes proxy war. US military gets involved and purchase weapons and military goods from Lockheed for example. Lockheed turns around and cuts D.C. around $15M a year. Globalist groups reach consensus that it was necessary because they too get a slice of the pie. Repeat perpetually. Why do you think we we're in Iraq for so long?
All the globalist supranational entities shill for money. WHO was getting nearly a billion US tax payer dollars.
Trump voters that aren't full blown morons are cut from the cloth that wants to end this unnecessary spending and death.
We see people like you as opposition to populism and in favor of a ruling class.
I think they realize the Republican Party as they knew it is gone forever.quash said:You and Byron miss the point: Reform the GOP via the excision of Trumpism. It is a long term strategy and it should be revealing that they are clearly willing to risk a Democratic blip of resurgence to achieve their goal. Their support for free trade and capitalism is wonderful.Jack and DP said:
Taxes were reduced for many, not all, and they aren't low enough. We blew our once a generation shot at real tax reform.sombear said:
Let's stipulate that Trump is a bad human being and says and does stupid stuff. But, what in his agenda differs from decades-long GOP positions?
- low taxes
- anti-illegal immigration -(to those who say he is more extreme, certainly his rhetoric is harsh, but he actually offered to protect dreamers in exchange for tougher border policies, which is the position taken by Jeb, W, and other establishment types.)
- strong military but less interventionist (at least in rhetoric)
- pro-conservative judges
- free but fair trade (I'm a free-trader, but Trump's tariff and other threats actually resulted in better trade deals)
- proudly and openly patriotic
H I bet th
This shows me the Lincoln Project aren't republicans at all. They are former republican (maybe) who now support dem positions. That is their right, but just be honest about it.
No it is actually Republicans trying to reclaim" Republican" for Reagan's old party as opposed to the name "Republican" being used for the party in the WH and that controls the Senate which is opposed to about 95% of what the party was about back then.Oldbear83 said:I see the Democrats are trying to claim Reagan as one of their own.PartyBear said:Redbrickbear said:
They won't stop until the Republican Party is again safe for globalists, war mongers, bankers, and mass immigration lovers.
In other words the Reaganites, who you have maligned (which I admit I never thought I would see the day alleged Republicans malign Reaganism) want their party back.
They really are that desperate?
Taxes - but many of the Lincoln Project founders opposed the tax cuts, and whatever you think of them, they were a significant net reduction in taxes. FWIW, I'm in that small group that pays more - 3 kids, high prop taxes and mortgage interest, and charitable donations.quash said:Taxes were reduced for many, not all, and they aren't low enough. We blew our once a generation shot at real tax reform.sombear said:
Let's stipulate that Trump is a bad human being and says and does stupid stuff. But, what in his agenda differs from decades-long GOP positions?
- low taxes
- anti-illegal immigration -(to those who say he is more extreme, certainly his rhetoric is harsh, but he actually offered to protect dreamers in exchange for tougher border policies, which is the position taken by Jeb, W, and other establishment types.)
- strong military but less interventionist (at least in rhetoric)
- pro-conservative judges
- free but fair trade (I'm a free-trader, but Trump's tariff and other threats actually resulted in better trade deals)
- proudly and openly patriotic
H I bet th
This shows me the Lincoln Project aren't republicans at all. They are former republican (maybe) who now support dem positions. That is their right, but just be honest about it.
The wall is nothing like what he promised. Mexico isn't paying for it, very little new fencing is up, and it is having far less effect than Rona and economics.
Rhetoric? Even that is interventionist. And there are the actual acts.
Gorsuch was a keeper, still not sure about Kavanaugh.
The tariffs have cost us money, jobs, and markets. What trade deals do you think are better?
Proudly and openly nationalistic; there's a difference.
Spending? Maybe if Biden gets elected we can get the ol' GOP deficit hawks back.
Smaller govt? Executive creep on Congressional turf has gotten worse. Again, with a Dem in the WH I bet the GOP rediscovers the virtue of limited govt.
The GOP I remember, and belonged to, was much better focused on budgets and state power.
Thissombear said:
Let's stipulate that Trump is a bad human being and says and does stupid stuff. But, what in his agenda differs from decades-long GOP positions?
- low taxes
- less regulation
- pro-life
- pro- free exercise of religion
- pro 2nd Amendment
- anti-illegal immigration -(to those who say he is more extreme, certainly his rhetoric is harsh, but he actually offered to protect dreamers in exchange for tougher border policies, which is the position taken by Jeb, W, and other establishment types.)
- strong military but less interventionist (at least in rhetoric)
- pro-conservative judges
- free but fair trade (I'm a free-trader, but Trump's tariff and other threats actually resulted in better trade deals)
- proudly and openly patriotic
This shows me the Lincoln Project aren't republicans at all. They are former republican (maybe) who now support dem positions. That is their right, but just be honest about it.
That's probably the most accurate description of these swampersBearFan33 said:Thissombear said:
Let's stipulate that Trump is a bad human being and says and does stupid stuff. But, what in his agenda differs from decades-long GOP positions?
- low taxes
- less regulation
- pro-life
- pro- free exercise of religion
- pro 2nd Amendment
- anti-illegal immigration -(to those who say he is more extreme, certainly his rhetoric is harsh, but he actually offered to protect dreamers in exchange for tougher border policies, which is the position taken by Jeb, W, and other establishment types.)
- strong military but less interventionist (at least in rhetoric)
- pro-conservative judges
- free but fair trade (I'm a free-trader, but Trump's tariff and other threats actually resulted in better trade deals)
- proudly and openly patriotic
This shows me the Lincoln Project aren't republicans at all. They are former republican (maybe) who now support dem positions. That is their right, but just be honest about it.
The Lincoln Project seems to be a strange amalgamation of RINOs and nevertrumpers who have stage 4 Trump Derangement Syndrome. I would like to see who is paying the bills.
Weak effort.PartyBear said:No it is actually Republicans trying to reclaim" Republican" for Reagan's old party as opposed to the name "Republican" being used for the party in the WH and that controls the Senate which is opposed to about 95% of what the party was about back then.Oldbear83 said:I see the Democrats are trying to claim Reagan as one of their own.PartyBear said:Redbrickbear said:
They won't stop until the Republican Party is again safe for globalists, war mongers, bankers, and mass immigration lovers.
In other words the Reaganites, who you have maligned (which I admit I never thought I would see the day alleged Republicans malign Reaganism) want their party back.
They really are that desperate?
You're drunk. I never made any such claimOldbear83 said:
Does any conservative here believe cinque's claim to have once been a conservative?
Neither do Republicans.Oldbear83 said:Weak effort.PartyBear said:No it is actually Republicans trying to reclaim" Republican" for Reagan's old party as opposed to the name "Republican" being used for the party in the WH and that controls the Senate which is opposed to about 95% of what the party was about back then.Oldbear83 said:I see the Democrats are trying to claim Reagan as one of their own.PartyBear said:Redbrickbear said:
They won't stop until the Republican Party is again safe for globalists, war mongers, bankers, and mass immigration lovers.
In other words the Reaganites, who you have maligned (which I admit I never thought I would see the day alleged Republicans malign Reaganism) want their party back.
They really are that desperate?
Swing and a miss from you.
You don't have a clue what Republicans are and believe, you just use them as a pinata when you get triggered.
Corrected for accuracycinque said:Neither do IOldbear83 said:Weak effort.PartyBear said:No it is actually Republicans trying to reclaim" Republican" for Reagan's old party as opposed to the name "Republican" being used for the party in the WH and that controls the Senate which is opposed to about 95% of what the party was about back then.Oldbear83 said:I see the Democrats are trying to claim Reagan as one of their own.PartyBear said:Redbrickbear said:
They won't stop until the Republican Party is again safe for globalists, war mongers, bankers, and mass immigration lovers.
In other words the Reaganites, who you have maligned (which I admit I never thought I would see the day alleged Republicans malign Reaganism) want their party back.
They really are that desperate?
Swing and a miss from you.
You don't have a clue what Republicans are and believe, you just use them as a pinata when you get triggered.
I suggest he didn't go far in meeting his campaign goals. I wish we'd get immigration reform and expand work visas significantly and keep the govt thumb off the scales as much as possible.sombear said:quash said:Taxes were reduced for many, not all, and they aren't low enough. We blew our once a generation shot at real tax reform.sombear said:
Let's stipulate that Trump is a bad human being and says and does stupid stuff. But, what in his agenda differs from decades-long GOP positions?
- low taxes
- anti-illegal immigration -(to those who say he is more extreme, certainly his rhetoric is harsh, but he actually offered to protect dreamers in exchange for tougher border policies, which is the position taken by Jeb, W, and other establishment types.)
- strong military but less interventionist (at least in rhetoric)
- pro-conservative judges
- free but fair trade (I'm a free-trader, but Trump's tariff and other threats actually resulted in better trade deals)
- proudly and openly patriotic
H I bet th
This shows me the Lincoln Project aren't republicans at all. They are former republican (maybe) who now support dem positions. That is their right, but just be honest about it.
The wall is nothing like what he promised. Mexico isn't paying for it, very little new fencing is up, and it is having far less effect than Rona and economics.
Rhetoric? Even that is interventionist. And there are the actual acts.
Gorsuch was a keeper, still not sure about Kavanaugh.
The tariffs have cost us money, jobs, and markets. What trade deals do you think are better?
Proudly and openly nationalistic; there's a difference.
Spending? Maybe if Biden gets elected we can get the ol' GOP deficit hawks back.
Smaller govt? Executive creep on Congressional turf has gotten worse. Again, with a Dem in the WH I bet the GOP rediscovers the virtue of limited govt.
The GOP I remember, and belonged to, was much better focused on budgets and state power.
Immigration - again, you suggest he didn't go far enough, but Lincoln project believes the opposite.
Trade - Mexico, Canada, China, and other deals all have been improved.
Deficit - hate to admit it, but deficits have been high under all prior GOP Pres.