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SIC EM 94 said:

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Why do you fear violence more if Trump doesn't win? Conservatives aren't the ones murdering cops, rioting, protesting on highways, looting, burning businesses, assaulting innocent civilians because of their political beliefs or color of their skin.

Are you white, law enforcement, conservative, wealthy? I think it's safe to assume you aren't the one that needs to consider buying a gun.

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You know why she's afraid of a Trump win because the fringe left is going to go crazy

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I explicitly stated I fear violence more if Trump doesn't win. Much more. Because Trump will incite it.

I'm tuning out again for a spate because I'm not interested in generating revenue for Jason.

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my bad... i mis read it. So you're afraid of the guy who promotes law and order and has endorsements of almost every major police Association in the country... seems legit

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The only thing Trump is capable of shooting off is his mouth.

His supporters may shoot people in response.

Why the gun club loves a nancy boy like Trump who wears makeup and has sprayed up big hair is baffling, although his financial shenanigans sound a lot like Wayne LaPierre's, only larger scale.

Characterizing Trump as a "law and order" guy when his administration, particularly under Bill Barr, is openly subverting the rule of law and when he's defending police departments handing out water bottles to armed, underaged vigilantes, is ludicrous. Trump is also up to his ears in lawsuits he's used the presidency and taxpayer funded government employees to flout. Most recently a rape charge that Bill Barr would not be trying to gain control over if it didn't represent a danger to Trump. That would embarrass any true patriot. Trump's supporters are more loyal to him than the country and too stupid to see that.

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Where do you get your news? What color is the sky in your world?

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https://lawandcrime.com/awkward/barrs-doj-screws-up-routine-effort-to-defend-trump-in-e-jean-carroll-case/

It was a "routine" maneuverat least that's how Attorney General Bill Barr previously his DOJ's twice-unsuccessful, as of Tuesday, effort to mount a publicly funded defense of President Donald Trump amid ongoing legal woes.

In a terse two-page order by the U.S. District Court for the Southern District of New York (SDNY), Judge Lewis A. Kaplan admonished the U.S. Department of Justice (DOJ) for its second failed attempt at (1) having E. Jean Carroll's defamation case against Trump removed from state court to federal court; and (2) having the United States "substitute itself for Donald J. Trump in his personal capacity as the defendant" in the high-profile case.

Jinx 2 said:

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Gruvin said:

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SIC EM 94 said:

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Why do you fear violence more if Trump doesn't win? Conservatives aren't the ones murdering cops, rioting, protesting on highways, looting, burning businesses, assaulting innocent civilians because of their political beliefs or color of their skin.

Are you white, law enforcement, conservative, wealthy? I think it's safe to assume you aren't the one that needs to consider buying a gun.

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You know why she's afraid of a Trump win because the fringe left is going to go crazy

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I explicitly stated I fear violence more if Trump doesn't win. Much more. Because Trump will incite it.

I'm tuning out again for a spate because I'm not interested in generating revenue for Jason.

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my bad... i mis read it. So you're afraid of the guy who promotes law and order and has endorsements of almost every major police Association in the country... seems legit

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His supporters may shoot people in response.

Why the gun club loves a nancy boy like Trump who wears makeup and has sprayed up big hair is baffling, although his financial shenanigans sound a lot like Wayne LaPierre's, only larger scale.

Characterizing Trump as a "law and order" guy when his administration, particularly under Bill Barr, is openly subverting the rule of law and when he's defending police departments handing out water bottles to armed, underaged vigilantes, is ludicrous..

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Trump supporters are not rioting and shooting people. That would be Biden folks in NYC, Kenosha, Rochester, LA, etc.

The "gun club" supports Trump because he hasn't promised gun control. All of the gun owners I know personally, aren't shooting people. Trump is more of a law & oder candidate than is Biden. I think Barr is holding up law and order more, much more, than his predecessors in Obama administration.

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Gruvin said:

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Why do you fear violence more if Trump doesn't win? Conservatives aren't the ones murdering cops, rioting, protesting on highways, looting, burning businesses, assaulting innocent civilians because of their political beliefs or color of their skin.

Are you white, law enforcement, conservative, wealthy? I think it's safe to assume you aren't the one that needs to consider buying a gun.

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You know why she's afraid of a Trump win because the fringe left is going to go crazy

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I explicitly stated I fear violence more if Trump doesn't win. Much more. Because Trump will incite it.

I'm tuning out again for a spate because I'm not interested in generating revenue for Jason.

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my bad... i mis read it. So you're afraid of the guy who promotes law and order and has endorsements of almost every major police Association in the country... seems legit

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Characterizing Trump as a "law and order" guy when his administration, particularly under Bill Barr, is openly subverting the rule of law and when he's defending police departments handing out water bottles to armed, underaged vigilantes, is ludicrous. Trump is also up to his ears in lawsuits he's used the presidency and taxpayer funded government employees to flout. Most recently a rape charge that Bill Barr would not be trying to gain control over if it didn't represent a danger to Trump. That would embarrass any true patriot. Trump's supporters are more loyal to him than the country and too stupid to see that.

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Speaking of law and order. These folks from Obama administration will be under oath. No talking points or press releases.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/senate-homeland-security-committee-authorizes-subpoenas-for-testimony-from-obama-officials-as-part-of-russia-probe

Senate Homeland Security Committee authorizes subpoenas for testimony from Obama officials as part of Russia probe
Includes John Brennan, James Clapper and James Comey
Brooke Singman2 hours ago
Sen. Johnson subpoenas FBI in review of Russia probe origin
The Senate Homeland Security Committee subpoenas the FBI and Director Christopher Wray; former Trump Deputy National Security Secretary KT McFarland reacts on 'America's Newsroom.'
The Senate Homeland Security Committee on Wednesday voted to authorize subpoenas for former CIA Director John Brennan, former Director of National Intelligence James Clapper, former FBI Director James Comey, and other Obama administration officials as part of its broad review into the origins of the Russia investigation.
The committee on Wednesday held a business meeting to authorize committee Chairman Ron Johnson, R-Wis., to issue notices for taking depositions, subpoenas, for records, and subpoenas for testimony to individuals relating to the panel's "Crossfire Hurricane" investigation, the Justice Department inspector general's review of that investigation, and the "unmasking" of U.S. persons affiliated with the 2016 Trump campaign, transition team and the Trump administration.
JOHNSON SUBPOENAS FBI AS PART OF REVIEW INTO ORIGINS OF THE RUSSIA PROBE
The committee voted 8-6 to authorize the subpoenas.
The committee also authorized subpoenas for Sidney Blumenthal, former Obama chief of staff Denis McDonough, former FBI counsel Lisa Page, former FBI agent Joe Pientka, former ambassador to the United Nations Samantha Power, former FBI director of counterintelligence Bill Priestap, former White House national security adviser Susan Rice, former FBI agent Peter Strzok, former FBI lawyer Kevin Clinesmith who pleaded guilty to making a false statement in the first criminal case arising from U.S. Attorney John Durham's review of the investigation into links between Russia and the 2016 Trump campaign among others.
The committee further authorized subpoenas for "the production of all records" related to the FBI's original Russia investigation and the Department of Justice Inspector General's probe, as well as the process of "unmasking" for James Baker, former FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe, DOJ official Bruce Ohr, FBI case agent Steven Somma, former U.S. Ambassador to Russia John Teftt, former deputy assistant attorney general Tashina Gauhar; and Stefan Halper.
The committee, earlier this summer, authorized subpoenas for the majority of the individuals that were named. But on Wednesday, after a back-and-forth between Johnson and the top Democrat on the panel, the committee gave the final go ahead, leaving authority on timing and scheduling of depositions and issuance of subpoenas up to the chairman.

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I posted this last night....guess I need a better Subject Title. LOL.

The record gun sales for 2020 may have implications for swing states in November as well. In Pennsylvania alone, the National Shooting Sports Foundation reckons there are 276,648 first-time gun owners this year. To put this in perspective, in 2016 Donald Trump won Pennsylvania by 44,292 votes.

Assuming those figures are correct -- seem high to me -- I would imagine more are Republican voters than Democratic voters.

Thoughts?

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I think the mainstream media is misrepresenting the historical trends of black gun ownership in recent years because this is not a recent phenomenon.

In 2013, black gun ownership was at about 13% of all blacks old enough to own a gun (Pew Research Center). This was the transition period between Obama's first and second term.

By 2017, black gun ownership was at 24% of all blacks old enough to own a gun (Pew Research Center). That's an 11% jump in 4 years under Obama.

The Pew Research Center has not released any significant change in data since 2017. That said, black gun purchases are up 58.2% over 2019 at this point in the calendar year (BET).

I've been documenting a significant increase in black's with license to carry in Texas for years. This is not a new idea.

When Pew Research Center releases their next study we can get a better look at the numbers, but right now, black gun ownership is stagnate compared to what it was in 2013-2017.

I've been in gun stores lately. It's kind of hard to find a gun right now. It's really hard to find ammo on shelves.

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For the record, this is the first time ever I briefly entertained the thought of buying a firearm. I fear violence more if Trump doesn't win than if he does.

But I only considered it for a split second. I don't like guns and I'd be an awful shot. My daughter has bear spray from leading backpacking trips in the Arctic Circle; I've got a can by the back door and one in the car. First time I've ever had anything more than a pair of scissors in the car for self-protection.

Here's a link describing this trend: https://www.npr.org/2020/07/16/891608244/protests-and-pandemic-spark-record-gun-sales

Usually, when gun sales spike it's because an event such as a school shooting is seen to make gun control laws more likely. And it's gun enthusiasts, people who already own guns, who are going out and buying more.

But something different is happening now. "We've surveyed retailers who tell us that about 40% of their customers are first-time buyers," Keane says.

Michael Weeks, the owner of the Georgia Gun Store in Gainesville, says from what he's seeing, "most of it is new gun owners." He says he's not doing much business with people who already own guns. And he says his new customers are people of all different races and income levels.

"We see a wide diversity of people come to the door," he says. "It's all over the board."

Kevin Cummins, who runs Advantage Firearms Education and Training in St. Louis, says he's seeing all kinds of people showing up to take classes.

A hospital nurse was a recent customer. "She had just recently purchased a firearm and did not know how to load the firearm, didn't know anything about it, was scared to death of it," Cummins says.

Millions of people suddenly owning a gun for the first time has Chipman, the former ATF agent, worried that many won't get proper training. He says previous spikes in gun sales have resulted in more accidental deaths including children.

And he says people shouldn't be brandishing and waving guns around like he sees in YouTube videos. He says that can provoke violence. "I was taught that you don't pull your gun unless you intend to use it."

Even though Cummins runs a firearms school, he tells people that before getting a gun, they should get a can of pepper gel. That's similar to pepper spray but it won't blow back in your face. Cummins is also a lieutenant at a local police department.

He says "95% of the situations people are going to encounter with crime do not warrant the use of a firearm." So Cummins says to protect yourself, pepper gel is almost always "a much better tool than a firearm."

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This isn't the link you Snideleys were looking for, but Michael Caputo really stepped in it: From the sound of it, if he were black and lived in Rochester, NY, he'd be in danger of being hooded and asphyxiated for being crazy.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/14/us/politics/caputo-virus.html

WASHINGTON The top communications official at the powerful cabinet department in charge of combating the coronavirus made outlandish and false accusations on Sunday that career government scientists were engaging in "sedition" in their handling of the pandemic and that left-wing hit squads were preparing for armed insurrection after the election.

Michael R. Caputo, the assistant secretary of public affairs at the Department of Health and Human Services, accused the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention of harboring a "resistance unit" determined to undermine President Trump, even if that opposition bolsters the Covid-19 death toll.

Mr. Caputo, who has faced intense criticism for leading efforts to warp C.D.C. weekly bulletins to fit Mr. Trump's pandemic narrative, suggested that he personally could be in danger from opponents of the administration. "If you carry guns, buy ammunition, ladies and gentlemen, because it's going to be hard to get," he urged his followers.

He went further, saying his physical health was in question, and his "mental health has definitely failed."

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Thanks for posting. Guns aren't for everyone.

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Tell that to mentally ill people who possess them.

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Sure I will the next time I meet a mentally ill person

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Do you think they will volunteer that they are mentally ill or will you deduce it after they shoot up a school?

Jinx 2 said:

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Why do you fear violence more if Trump doesn't win? Conservatives aren't the ones murdering cops, rioting, protesting on highways, looting, burning businesses, assaulting innocent civilians because of their political beliefs or color of their skin.

Are you white, law enforcement, conservative, wealthy? I think it's safe to assume you aren't the one that needs to consider buying a gun.

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You know why she's afraid of a Trump win because the fringe left is going to go crazy

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I explicitly stated I fear violence more if Trump doesn't win. Much more. Because Trump will incite it.

I'm tuning out again for a spate because I'm not interested in generating revenue for Jason.

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You could really hurt him if you just disappeared - completely.