Baylor3216 said:

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Cmon man. Those coal miners can learn to program

And he doesn't want his kids going to school and riding a bus in a racial jungle with super predators.

Amazing some people are counting on this overlord to save them

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What coal miners? There's three left.

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Nuclear energy is the correct answer. From a recent British study; a single 430 acre nuclear site produces enough power for 7% of the UK. Doing so with solar requires 130,000 acres and doing it with wind (depending on where the turbines are placed) was around 250,000 acres. 250,000 acres covers most of the state of Texas or more acreage than all of the UK combined...for 7% of the required energy.

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So guess you've never farmed, or you might have a better idea how big an acre is. 250,000 acres is 390.625 square miles. For comparison, Brewster County, Texas is 6,192 square miles.

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It was a mistake, I used an overlay, should have checked.

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Robert Wilson said:

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Nguyen One Soon said:

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nein51 said:

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Nuclear energy is the correct answer. From a recent British study; a single 430 acre nuclear site produces enough power for 7% of the UK. Doing so with solar requires 130,000 acres and doing it with wind (depending on where the turbines are placed) was around 250,000 acres. 250,000 acres covers most of the state of Texas or more acreage than all of the UK combined...for 7% of the required energy.

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So guess you've never farmed, or you might have a better idea how big an acre is. 250,000 acres is 390.625 square miles. For comparison, Brewster County, Texas is 6,192 square miles.

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The Waggoner ranch is 500,000 acres - all contiguous. The King Ranch is about 800,000 acres but comprised of noncontiguous pieces. I don't know how many acres Texas is, but 250k ain't a drop in the bucket. There are a number of ranches bigger than that.

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But that 250,000 acres was only 7% of the demand. It would take a LOT of land just to power Texas.

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Yes, 250,000 acres to power 7% of the UKs need. 3,500,000 acres to power the UK, 66,000,000 people

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You don't remember how bad smog was in the 70's? We are infinitely better off today.

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Pittsburgh 1940


New York City 1966


Los Angeles 1973


Cleveland 1973


Birmingham 1972

RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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Canada2017 said:

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J.R. said:

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JR is officially voting for the worst human I know...that would be Trump. (I ****ing hate that guy). But after last night.... Joe can piss off. I'm in Oil and Gas Business. **** off Joe!

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Win or lose

I'm buying all the drinks here in Colorado when we finally have dinner .

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You may need to. J.R. may be a little short after he pays me my $400. AckAckAckAckAck!!!!

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Trump definitely won the 2nd debate .

But Republicans need to focus on Dem POLICIES so people can wake up to this threat .

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blackie said:

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Anyone who believes we don't need to transition to renewables is going to be left in the past with hard to find fuel and paying very high prices for it. The key in what was said is transition. How fast will depend on many factors, but the transition should be made and there is no reason to not start it now. Many of the major oil companies are getting heavily involved in renewables. They know what the future holds.

We either transition as we can or struggle with cold turkey when that becomes necessary. Much safer for workers to work with renewables as well, not to mention the health of the people who have to live around refineries and drilling. Keeping our heads in the sand is a path to failure. It is irresponsible to not look to a transition.

And concerning nuclear (and I majored in physics and taught nuclear engineering when I was in the Navy), the problem is what to do with the spent fuel. I would look at nuclear as a stop along the path and not the destination. Also, are you willing to live near a reactor plant? I'm not.

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This is like saying that your one year old home will need to be replaced one day, so go ahead and start building a new one.
We have cheap energy in the US. Why not use it?

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I am concerned about what we are doing to the environment as I have seen changes first hand during my life. You don't even have to talk about climate change. Just look at the air in many of our cities. One side effect of the pandemic and the shutdowns has been the before and after pictures of the air above cities which really point out how crappy we have allowed our air to become.......and we have been breathing this junk for decades. I don't see how anyone cannot believe that has negatively affected our health.

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You don't remember how bad smog was in the 70's? We are infinitely better off today.

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I was going to say the same. The environment here in Texas has gotten so much better than when I was a kid. I told my kids how I used to get woozy after riding in rush hour traffic from the smell of the all the vehicles crowded together. That's just one example.

Canada2017 said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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Canada2017 said:

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J.R. said:

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JR is officially voting for the worst human I know...that would be Trump. (I ****ing hate that guy). But after last night.... Joe can piss off. I'm in Oil and Gas Business. **** off Joe!

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Win or lose

I'm buying all the drinks here in Colorado when we finally have dinner .

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You may need to. J.R. may be a little short after he pays me my $400. AckAckAckAckAck!!!!

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Trump definitely won the 2nd debate .

But Republicans need to focus on Dem POLICIES so people can wake up to this threat .

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Biden's admitted intent to kill the oil & gas industry was the game changer. YUGE!!!!! Whether or not he lined his pockets with foreign money will just be a Wikipedia footnote.

RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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Canada2017 said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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Canada2017 said:

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J.R. said:

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JR is officially voting for the worst human I know...that would be Trump. (I ****ing hate that guy). But after last night.... Joe can piss off. I'm in Oil and Gas Business. **** off Joe!

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Win or lose

I'm buying all the drinks here in Colorado when we finally have dinner .

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You may need to. J.R. may be a little short after he pays me my $400. AckAckAckAckAck!!!!

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Trump definitely won the 2nd debate .

But Republicans need to focus on Dem POLICIES so people can wake up to this threat .

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Biden's admitted intent to kill the oil & gas industry was the game changer. YUGE!!!!! Whether or not he lined his pockets with foreign money will just be a Wikipedia footnote.

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Like 'cingue ' was boasting ....50 million people have already voted .

Dems might have hidden their straw man just long enough to win .

Canada2017 said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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Canada2017 said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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Canada2017 said:

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J.R. said:

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JR is officially voting for the worst human I know...that would be Trump. (I ****ing hate that guy). But after last night.... Joe can piss off. I'm in Oil and Gas Business. **** off Joe!

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Win or lose

I'm buying all the drinks here in Colorado when we finally have dinner .

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You may need to. J.R. may be a little short after he pays me my $400. AckAckAckAckAck!!!!

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Trump definitely won the 2nd debate .

But Republicans need to focus on Dem POLICIES so people can wake up to this threat .

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Biden's admitted intent to kill the oil & gas industry was the game changer. YUGE!!!!! Whether or not he lined his pockets with foreign money will just be a Wikipedia footnote.

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Like 'cingue ' was boasting ....50 million people have already voted .

Dems might have hidden their straw man just long enough to win .

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Nope. This election will be as anti-climactic as Obama vs. Romney. It will be over at 10:30 pm.

RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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Canada2017 said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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Canada2017 said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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Canada2017 said:

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J.R. said:

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JR is officially voting for the worst human I know...that would be Trump. (I ****ing hate that guy). But after last night.... Joe can piss off. I'm in Oil and Gas Business. **** off Joe!

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Win or lose

I'm buying all the drinks here in Colorado when we finally have dinner .

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You may need to. J.R. may be a little short after he pays me my $400. AckAckAckAckAck!!!!

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Trump definitely won the 2nd debate .

But Republicans need to focus on Dem POLICIES so people can wake up to this threat .

---

Biden's admitted intent to kill the oil & gas industry was the game changer. YUGE!!!!! Whether or not he lined his pockets with foreign money will just be a Wikipedia footnote.

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Like 'cingue ' was boasting ....50 million people have already voted .

Dems might have hidden their straw man just long enough to win .

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Nope. This election will be as anti-climactic as Obama vs. Romney. It will be over at 10:30 pm.

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Keep telling you....Trump can win Texas and Florida and still lose .

There are millions of people who don't work , don't care to work....and hate everything traditionally associated with this country .

Instead of toilet paper ....care to wager 100 dollars ?

I will stay with my earlier pick ....Biden .

Canada2017 said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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Canada2017 said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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Canada2017 said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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Canada2017 said:

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J.R. said:

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JR is officially voting for the worst human I know...that would be Trump. (I ****ing hate that guy). But after last night.... Joe can piss off. I'm in Oil and Gas Business. **** off Joe!

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Win or lose

I'm buying all the drinks here in Colorado when we finally have dinner .

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You may need to. J.R. may be a little short after he pays me my $400. AckAckAckAckAck!!!!

---

Trump definitely won the 2nd debate .

But Republicans need to focus on Dem POLICIES so people can wake up to this threat .

---

Biden's admitted intent to kill the oil & gas industry was the game changer. YUGE!!!!! Whether or not he lined his pockets with foreign money will just be a Wikipedia footnote.

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Like 'cingue ' was boasting ....50 million people have already voted .

Dems might have hidden their straw man just long enough to win .

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Nope. This election will be as anti-climactic as Obama vs. Romney. It will be over at 10:30 pm.

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Keep telling you....Trump can win Texas and Florida and still lose .

There are millions of people who don't work , don't care to work....and hate everything traditionally associated with this country .

Instead of toilet paper ....care to wager 100 dollars ?

I will stay with my earlier pick ....Biden .

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We can go $100 instead of TP if you would prefer. I am just concerned if I win, who the Hell is going to buy you and J.R. drinks?

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Friscobear said:

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You don't remember how bad smog was in the 70's? We are infinitely better off today.

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Pittsburgh 1940


New York City 1966


Los Angeles 1973


Cleveland 1973


Birmingham 1972

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Los Angeles still looks like that, they even had a smog issue when it was sparsely populated by Indian tribes burning camp fires.

Fun fact. That steel plant is still going strong today in Cleveland under the ownership of Arcelor Mittal. Goes on for blocks. Doesn't look anything like that in the air though.

nein51 said:

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Fun fact. That steel plant is still going strong today in Cleveland under the ownership of Arcelor Mittal. Goes on for blocks. Doesn't look anything like that in the air though.

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Ironically, Arcelor Mittal is the world's largest steel producer and Indian-owned.

RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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nein51 said:

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Fun fact. That steel plant is still going strong today in Cleveland under the ownership of Arcelor Mittal. Goes on for blocks. Doesn't look anything like that in the air though.

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Ironically, Arcelor Mittal is the world's largest steel producer and Indian-owned.

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Which tribe? Mohicans?

br53 said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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nein51 said:

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Fun fact. That steel plant is still going strong today in Cleveland under the ownership of Arcelor Mittal. Goes on for blocks. Doesn't look anything like that in the air though.

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Ironically, Arcelor Mittal is the world's largest steel producer and Indian-owned.

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Which tribe? Mohicans?

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The country with 1.4 billion people. #2 most populous right behind China.

RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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Canada2017 said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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Canada2017 said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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Canada2017 said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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Canada2017 said:

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J.R. said:

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JR is officially voting for the worst human I know...that would be Trump. (I ****ing hate that guy). But after last night.... Joe can piss off. I'm in Oil and Gas Business. **** off Joe!

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Win or lose

I'm buying all the drinks here in Colorado when we finally have dinner .

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You may need to. J.R. may be a little short after he pays me my $400. AckAckAckAckAck!!!!

---

Trump definitely won the 2nd debate .

But Republicans need to focus on Dem POLICIES so people can wake up to this threat .

---

Biden's admitted intent to kill the oil & gas industry was the game changer. YUGE!!!!! Whether or not he lined his pockets with foreign money will just be a Wikipedia footnote.

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Like 'cingue ' was boasting ....50 million people have already voted .

Dems might have hidden their straw man just long enough to win .

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Nope. This election will be as anti-climactic as Obama vs. Romney. It will be over at 10:30 pm.

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Keep telling you....Trump can win Texas and Florida and still lose .

There are millions of people who don't work , don't care to work....and hate everything traditionally associated with this country .

Instead of toilet paper ....care to wager 100 dollars ?

I will stay with my earlier pick ....Biden .

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We can go $100 instead of TP if you would prefer. I am just concerned if I win, who the Hell is going to buy you and J.R. drinks?

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Lets do the 100 bucks.

If I win will need all the drink money possible.

Canada2017 said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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Canada2017 said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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Canada2017 said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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Canada2017 said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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Canada2017 said:

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J.R. said:

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JR is officially voting for the worst human I know...that would be Trump. (I ****ing hate that guy). But after last night.... Joe can piss off. I'm in Oil and Gas Business. **** off Joe!

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Win or lose

I'm buying all the drinks here in Colorado when we finally have dinner .

---

You may need to. J.R. may be a little short after he pays me my $400. AckAckAckAckAck!!!!

---

Trump definitely won the 2nd debate .

But Republicans need to focus on Dem POLICIES so people can wake up to this threat .

---

Biden's admitted intent to kill the oil & gas industry was the game changer. YUGE!!!!! Whether or not he lined his pockets with foreign money will just be a Wikipedia footnote.

---

Like 'cingue ' was boasting ....50 million people have already voted .

Dems might have hidden their straw man just long enough to win .

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Nope. This election will be as anti-climactic as Obama vs. Romney. It will be over at 10:30 pm.

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Keep telling you....Trump can win Texas and Florida and still lose .

There are millions of people who don't work , don't care to work....and hate everything traditionally associated with this country .

Instead of toilet paper ....care to wager 100 dollars ?

I will stay with my earlier pick ....Biden .

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We can go $100 instead of TP if you would prefer. I am just concerned if I win, who the Hell is going to buy you and J.R. drinks?

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Lets do the 100 bucks.

If I win will need all the drink money possible.

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You got it, my friend. $100 it is. I figure if I lose, my family and I are screwed anyway.

RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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Canada2017 said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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Canada2017 said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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Canada2017 said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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Canada2017 said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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Canada2017 said:

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J.R. said:

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JR is officially voting for the worst human I know...that would be Trump. (I ****ing hate that guy). But after last night.... Joe can piss off. I'm in Oil and Gas Business. **** off Joe!

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Win or lose

I'm buying all the drinks here in Colorado when we finally have dinner .

---

You may need to. J.R. may be a little short after he pays me my $400. AckAckAckAckAck!!!!

---

Trump definitely won the 2nd debate .

But Republicans need to focus on Dem POLICIES so people can wake up to this threat .

---

Biden's admitted intent to kill the oil & gas industry was the game changer. YUGE!!!!! Whether or not he lined his pockets with foreign money will just be a Wikipedia footnote.

---

Like 'cingue ' was boasting ....50 million people have already voted .

Dems might have hidden their straw man just long enough to win .

---

Nope. This election will be as anti-climactic as Obama vs. Romney. It will be over at 10:30 pm.

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Keep telling you....Trump can win Texas and Florida and still lose .

There are millions of people who don't work , don't care to work....and hate everything traditionally associated with this country .

Instead of toilet paper ....care to wager 100 dollars ?

I will stay with my earlier pick ....Biden .

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We can go $100 instead of TP if you would prefer. I am just concerned if I win, who the Hell is going to buy you and J.R. drinks?

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Lets do the 100 bucks.

If I win will need all the drink money possible.

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You got it, my friend. $100 it is. I figure if I lose, my family and I are screwed anyway.

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Hope I am mailing you the C-note. But it is highly unlikely .

Canada2017 said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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Canada2017 said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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Canada2017 said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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Canada2017 said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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Canada2017 said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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Canada2017 said:

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J.R. said:

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JR is officially voting for the worst human I know...that would be Trump. (I ****ing hate that guy). But after last night.... Joe can piss off. I'm in Oil and Gas Business. **** off Joe!

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Win or lose

I'm buying all the drinks here in Colorado when we finally have dinner .

---

You may need to. J.R. may be a little short after he pays me my $400. AckAckAckAckAck!!!!

---

Trump definitely won the 2nd debate .

But Republicans need to focus on Dem POLICIES so people can wake up to this threat .

---

Biden's admitted intent to kill the oil & gas industry was the game changer. YUGE!!!!! Whether or not he lined his pockets with foreign money will just be a Wikipedia footnote.

---

Like 'cingue ' was boasting ....50 million people have already voted .

Dems might have hidden their straw man just long enough to win .

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Nope. This election will be as anti-climactic as Obama vs. Romney. It will be over at 10:30 pm.

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Keep telling you....Trump can win Texas and Florida and still lose .

There are millions of people who don't work , don't care to work....and hate everything traditionally associated with this country .

Instead of toilet paper ....care to wager 100 dollars ?

I will stay with my earlier pick ....Biden .

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We can go $100 instead of TP if you would prefer. I am just concerned if I win, who the Hell is going to buy you and J.R. drinks?

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Lets do the 100 bucks.

If I win will need all the drink money possible.

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You got it, my friend. $100 it is. I figure if I lose, my family and I are screwed anyway.

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Hope I am mailing you the C-note. But it is highly unlikely .

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BS!! My biggest regret is that I won't be able to buy both you and J.R. some drinks with my winnings.

RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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Canada2017 said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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Canada2017 said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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Canada2017 said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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Canada2017 said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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Canada2017 said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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Canada2017 said:

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J.R. said:

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JR is officially voting for the worst human I know...that would be Trump. (I ****ing hate that guy). But after last night.... Joe can piss off. I'm in Oil and Gas Business. **** off Joe!

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Win or lose

I'm buying all the drinks here in Colorado when we finally have dinner .

---

You may need to. J.R. may be a little short after he pays me my $400. AckAckAckAckAck!!!!

---

Trump definitely won the 2nd debate .

But Republicans need to focus on Dem POLICIES so people can wake up to this threat .

---

Biden's admitted intent to kill the oil & gas industry was the game changer. YUGE!!!!! Whether or not he lined his pockets with foreign money will just be a Wikipedia footnote.

---

Like 'cingue ' was boasting ....50 million people have already voted .

Dems might have hidden their straw man just long enough to win .

---

Nope. This election will be as anti-climactic as Obama vs. Romney. It will be over at 10:30 pm.

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Keep telling you....Trump can win Texas and Florida and still lose .

There are millions of people who don't work , don't care to work....and hate everything traditionally associated with this country .

Instead of toilet paper ....care to wager 100 dollars ?

I will stay with my earlier pick ....Biden .

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We can go $100 instead of TP if you would prefer. I am just concerned if I win, who the Hell is going to buy you and J.R. drinks?

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Lets do the 100 bucks.

If I win will need all the drink money possible.

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You got it, my friend. $100 it is. I figure if I lose, my family and I are screwed anyway.

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Hope I am mailing you the C-note. But it is highly unlikely .

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BS!! My biggest regret is that I won't be able to buy both you and J.R. some drinks with my winnings.

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chuckle

Suspect JR has more expensive drinking tastes than this Aggie.

Just put aside 20 bucks for some Lone Star and the rest for whatever JR wants .

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Dammit Milli! You have really grown on me this past year. Most excellent post!

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Doc Holliday said:

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Y'all some day oil will be the energy source of the past just like whale fat. Whoever transitions to what's next successfully will be the next power on the global stage. It's smart to start positioning for that.

Also, actual oil field workers live pretty precarious lives and have been screwed over by oil companies as much as the government. Ask anyone in West Texas. A lot of them would be happy to have stable jobs rebuilding our crumbling national infrastructure, which needs decades of work.

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You have to let the market decide it. Forcing it will cause serious problems.

If they were serious about getting away from hydrocarbons, they would pursue nuclear which is 98% renewable.

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The market's built around finance, which means you create a market with enough investment.

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It's Hillary's equivalent of 'we're going to get rid of coal jobs.'

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nein51 said:

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He ended by saying pollution. This is a worthless argument. Dont preach to me or any american about pollution. It's like the teacher telling Lucy to clean up her desk while ignoring Pig Pen. Pollution is almost entirely a 2nd/3rd world problem. See also; China, India, East Asia, South America.

Nuclear energy is the correct answer. From a recent British study; a single 430 acre nuclear site produces enough power for 7% of the UK. Doing so with solar requires 130,000 acres and doing it with wind (depending on where the turbines are placed) was around 250,000 acres. 250,000 acres covers most of the state of Texas or more acreage than all of the UK combined...for 7% of the required energy.

That doesnt take into account the impact to the environment of the other solutions either.

Right now, renewable energy is not a reasonable solution. It is a really nice addition or supplement but we arent even close to making it a reality for 100% of homes and, to the best of my knowledge, there technology to do it in 5 years doesnt exist. If it existed tomorrow there's a 0% chance of being free of fossil fuels in 5 or 10 years.

Cant wait to see the solution for things like cargo/container ships, rail, trucking fleets, plastics.

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It is not an all or nothing choice. But someday we will have to do something. We will run out of stuff in the ground at some point. I would guess the option for things like your last sentence would be nuclear at this point as we do with many of our Navy ships. But I suspect that if we invest in technology there will be better methods as we move later into this century. No one, including Biden, is saying this is a cold turkey change. People need to stop flying the red herring flag that it is. But if we don't start truly investing in the developing such technologies, we are really putting our future generations behind the eight ball.

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There will be oil in the ground for many centuries to come. Our concern for future generations should be whether they have the means and the freedom to benefit from it.

Sam Lowry said:

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blackie said:

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nein51 said:

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He ended by saying pollution. This is a worthless argument. Dont preach to me or any american about pollution. It's like the teacher telling Lucy to clean up her desk while ignoring Pig Pen. Pollution is almost entirely a 2nd/3rd world problem. See also; China, India, East Asia, South America.

Nuclear energy is the correct answer. From a recent British study; a single 430 acre nuclear site produces enough power for 7% of the UK. Doing so with solar requires 130,000 acres and doing it with wind (depending on where the turbines are placed) was around 250,000 acres. 250,000 acres covers most of the state of Texas or more acreage than all of the UK combined...for 7% of the required energy.

That doesnt take into account the impact to the environment of the other solutions either.

Right now, renewable energy is not a reasonable solution. It is a really nice addition or supplement but we arent even close to making it a reality for 100% of homes and, to the best of my knowledge, there technology to do it in 5 years doesnt exist. If it existed tomorrow there's a 0% chance of being free of fossil fuels in 5 or 10 years.

Cant wait to see the solution for things like cargo/container ships, rail, trucking fleets, plastics.

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It is not an all or nothing choice. But someday we will have to do something. We will run out of stuff in the ground at some point. I would guess the option for things like your last sentence would be nuclear at this point as we do with many of our Navy ships. But I suspect that if we invest in technology there will be better methods as we move later into this century. No one, including Biden, is saying this is a cold turkey change. People need to stop flying the red herring flag that it is. But if we don't start truly investing in the developing such technologies, we are really putting our future generations behind the eight ball.

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There will be oil in the ground for many centuries to come. Our concern for future generations should be whether they have the means and the freedom to benefit from it.

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...... or if they want to.

The younger crowd wants clean energy. Perhaps someone can figure out how to do that with oil in the future. Maybe, maybe not. I don't know your age, but I was in grade school in the late 50s, early 60s. I remember reading in our geography book at that time that the world's oil supply would be exhausted in 50 years (so round 2000). They were certainly wrong about that, so who knows about any of it. However, there is absolutely no reason to not invest in the technology to move us toward renewable clean energy. You can't stay stuck in the past forever. The public is going to demand clean energy. That is not going to change.

blackie said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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blackie said:

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nein51 said:

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He ended by saying pollution. This is a worthless argument. Dont preach to me or any american about pollution. It's like the teacher telling Lucy to clean up her desk while ignoring Pig Pen. Pollution is almost entirely a 2nd/3rd world problem. See also; China, India, East Asia, South America.

Nuclear energy is the correct answer. From a recent British study; a single 430 acre nuclear site produces enough power for 7% of the UK. Doing so with solar requires 130,000 acres and doing it with wind (depending on where the turbines are placed) was around 250,000 acres. 250,000 acres covers most of the state of Texas or more acreage than all of the UK combined...for 7% of the required energy.

That doesnt take into account the impact to the environment of the other solutions either.

Right now, renewable energy is not a reasonable solution. It is a really nice addition or supplement but we arent even close to making it a reality for 100% of homes and, to the best of my knowledge, there technology to do it in 5 years doesnt exist. If it existed tomorrow there's a 0% chance of being free of fossil fuels in 5 or 10 years.

Cant wait to see the solution for things like cargo/container ships, rail, trucking fleets, plastics.

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It is not an all or nothing choice. But someday we will have to do something. We will run out of stuff in the ground at some point. I would guess the option for things like your last sentence would be nuclear at this point as we do with many of our Navy ships. But I suspect that if we invest in technology there will be better methods as we move later into this century. No one, including Biden, is saying this is a cold turkey change. People need to stop flying the red herring flag that it is. But if we don't start truly investing in the developing such technologies, we are really putting our future generations behind the eight ball.

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There will be oil in the ground for many centuries to come. Our concern for future generations should be whether they have the means and the freedom to benefit from it.

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...... or if they want to.

The younger crowd wants clean energy. Perhaps someone can figure out how to do that with oil in the future. Maybe, maybe not. I don't know your age, but I was in grade school in the late 50s, early 60s. I remember reading in our geography book at that time that the world's oil supply would be exhausted in 50 years (so round 2000). They were certainly wrong about that, so who knows about any of it. However, there is absolutely no reason to not invest in the technology to move us toward renewable clean energy. You can't stay stuck in the past forever. The public is going to demand clean energy. That is not going to change.

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Innovation causes markets to change when they're ready to, government interference stifles innovation. The internal combustible engine remains viable because it is an ingenious piece of simple engineering for mass producing motor vehicle transit and hydrocarbons are the best way to stock stable energy in cost effective manner.

And just the same, even if gasoline and oil based fuels are ever phased out, petroleum products aren't going anywhere. Oil is here to stay. It's naive or glib ideologues that either don't comprehend or want to wish away that reality.

A combustion engine and a gallon of gas, that you can carry in a milk jug in one hand, can move a vehicle with 4 people 15 - 25 miles from their origin, at the current average price in Texas of $1.86/gallon. People forget how phenomenally efficient that is.

If you want to replace oil for transportation purposes, that is the bar you're going to have meet.

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Sam Lowry said:

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He ended by saying pollution. This is a worthless argument. Dont preach to me or any american about pollution. It's like the teacher telling Lucy to clean up her desk while ignoring Pig Pen. Pollution is almost entirely a 2nd/3rd world problem. See also; China, India, East Asia, South America.

Nuclear energy is the correct answer. From a recent British study; a single 430 acre nuclear site produces enough power for 7% of the UK. Doing so with solar requires 130,000 acres and doing it with wind (depending on where the turbines are placed) was around 250,000 acres. 250,000 acres covers most of the state of Texas or more acreage than all of the UK combined...for 7% of the required energy.

That doesnt take into account the impact to the environment of the other solutions either.

Right now, renewable energy is not a reasonable solution. It is a really nice addition or supplement but we arent even close to making it a reality for 100% of homes and, to the best of my knowledge, there technology to do it in 5 years doesnt exist. If it existed tomorrow there's a 0% chance of being free of fossil fuels in 5 or 10 years.

Cant wait to see the solution for things like cargo/container ships, rail, trucking fleets, plastics.

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It is not an all or nothing choice. But someday we will have to do something. We will run out of stuff in the ground at some point. I would guess the option for things like your last sentence would be nuclear at this point as we do with many of our Navy ships. But I suspect that if we invest in technology there will be better methods as we move later into this century. No one, including Biden, is saying this is a cold turkey change. People need to stop flying the red herring flag that it is. But if we don't start truly investing in the developing such technologies, we are really putting our future generations behind the eight ball.

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There will be oil in the ground for many centuries to come. Our concern for future generations should be whether they have the means and the freedom to benefit from it.

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...... or if they want to.

The younger crowd wants clean energy. Perhaps someone can figure out how to do that with oil in the future. Maybe, maybe not. I don't know your age, but I was in grade school in the late 50s, early 60s. I remember reading in our geography book at that time that the world's oil supply would be exhausted in 50 years (so round 2000). They were certainly wrong about that, so who knows about any of it. However, there is absolutely no reason to not invest in the technology to move us toward renewable clean energy. You can't stay stuck in the past forever. The public is going to demand clean energy. That is not going to change.

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If the public demands it, the market should reflect that. Clean energy may be popular to a point, but we're not ready to end petroleum until there's a viable alternative. Right now there isn't.

Sam Lowry said:

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blackie said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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blackie said:

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nein51 said:

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He ended by saying pollution. This is a worthless argument. Dont preach to me or any american about pollution. It's like the teacher telling Lucy to clean up her desk while ignoring Pig Pen. Pollution is almost entirely a 2nd/3rd world problem. See also; China, India, East Asia, South America.

Nuclear energy is the correct answer. From a recent British study; a single 430 acre nuclear site produces enough power for 7% of the UK. Doing so with solar requires 130,000 acres and doing it with wind (depending on where the turbines are placed) was around 250,000 acres. 250,000 acres covers most of the state of Texas or more acreage than all of the UK combined...for 7% of the required energy.

That doesnt take into account the impact to the environment of the other solutions either.

Right now, renewable energy is not a reasonable solution. It is a really nice addition or supplement but we arent even close to making it a reality for 100% of homes and, to the best of my knowledge, there technology to do it in 5 years doesnt exist. If it existed tomorrow there's a 0% chance of being free of fossil fuels in 5 or 10 years.

Cant wait to see the solution for things like cargo/container ships, rail, trucking fleets, plastics.

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It is not an all or nothing choice. But someday we will have to do something. We will run out of stuff in the ground at some point. I would guess the option for things like your last sentence would be nuclear at this point as we do with many of our Navy ships. But I suspect that if we invest in technology there will be better methods as we move later into this century. No one, including Biden, is saying this is a cold turkey change. People need to stop flying the red herring flag that it is. But if we don't start truly investing in the developing such technologies, we are really putting our future generations behind the eight ball.

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There will be oil in the ground for many centuries to come. Our concern for future generations should be whether they have the means and the freedom to benefit from it.

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...... or if they want to.

The younger crowd wants clean energy. Perhaps someone can figure out how to do that with oil in the future. Maybe, maybe not. I don't know your age, but I was in grade school in the late 50s, early 60s. I remember reading in our geography book at that time that the world's oil supply would be exhausted in 50 years (so round 2000). They were certainly wrong about that, so who knows about any of it. However, there is absolutely no reason to not invest in the technology to move us toward renewable clean energy. You can't stay stuck in the past forever. The public is going to demand clean energy. That is not going to change.

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If the public demands it, the market should reflect that. Clean energy may be popular to a point, but we're not ready to end petroleum until there's a viable alternative. Right now there isn't.

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Exactly

Otherwise millions of people are going to endure real hunger ,

Biden and radical Dems are dangerous morons .

If they really cared about the environment they would be up in arms regarding the Cobalt mining for those battery packs.

The hydrogen fuel cell is far more interesting technology

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The hydrogen fuel cell is far more interesting technology

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Thought that had reached a dead end ?