'No One Is Listening to Us'
More people than ever are hospitalized with COVID-19. Health-care workers can't go on like this.
Ed Yong
November 13, 2020

In the months since March, many Americans have habituated to the horrors of the pandemic. They process the election's ramifications. They plan for the holidays. But health-care workers do not have the luxury of looking away: They're facing a third pandemic surge that is bigger and broader than the previous two. In the U.S., states now report more people in the hospital with COVID-19 than at any other point this year - and 40 percent more than just two weeks ago.

Emergency rooms are starting to fill again with COVID-19 patients. Utah, where Nathan Hatton is a pulmonary specialist at the University of Utah Hospital, is currently reporting 2,500 confirmed cases a day, roughly four times its summer peak.

Hospitals have put their pandemic plans into action, adding more beds and creating makeshift COVID-19 wards. But in the hardest-hit areas, there are simply not enough doctors, nurses, and other specialists to staff those beds. Some health-care workers told me that COVID-19 patients are the sickest people they've ever cared for: They require twice as much attention as a typical intensive-care-unit patient, for three times the normal length of stay. "It was doable over the summer, but now it's just too much," says Whitney Neville, a nurse based in Iowa. "Last Monday we had 25 patients waiting in the emergency department. They had been admitted but there was no one to take care of them." I asked her how much slack the system has left. "There is none," she said.

The entire state of Iowa is now out of staffed beds, Eli Perencevich, an infectious-disease doctor at the University of Iowa, told me. Worse is coming. Iowa is accumulating more than 3,600 confirmed cases every day; relative to its population, that's more than twice the rate Arizona experienced during its summer peak, "when their system was near collapse," Perencevich said. With only lax policies in place, those cases will continue to rise. Hospitalizations lag behind cases by about two weeks; by Thanksgiving, today's soaring cases will be overwhelming hospitals that already cannot cope. "The wave hasn't even crashed down on us yet," Perencevich said. "It keeps rising and rising, and we're all running on fear. The health-care system in Iowa is going to collapse, no question."

In the imminent future, patients will start to die because there simply aren't enough people to care for them. Doctors and nurses will burn out. The most precious resource the U.S. health-care system has in the struggle against COVID-19 isn't some miracle drug. It's the expertise of its health-care workers - and they are exhausted.

As hard as the work fatigue is, the "societal fatigue" is harder, said Hatton, the Utah pulmonary specialist. He is tired of walking out of an ICU where COVID-19 has killed another patient, and walking into a grocery store where he hears people saying it doesn't exist. Health-care workers and public-health officials have received threats and abusive messages accusing them of fearmongering. They've watched as friends have adopted Donald Trump's lies about doctors juking the hospitalization numbers to get more money. They've pleaded with family members to wear masks and physically distance, lest they end up competing for ICU beds that no longer exist. "Nurses have been the most trusted profession for 18 years in a row, which is now bull**** because no one is listening to us," Neville said.

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/11/third-surge-breaking-healthcare-workers/617091/

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There are several posters here that need to go to Iowa and rescue these poor people. Its just a hoax thrown up by the democrats to steal the election. It will evaporate after Nov. 4th. Just ask readytowin and several others.

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What is the situation in Alaska ?

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No one listens to petty tyrants. Fatties and Oldsters should have locked themselves away. The rest of Iowa is just fine. You are responsible for your own health if you are concerned.

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How do you know the nurses are fatties and oldsters?

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Sam Lowry said:

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'No One Is Listening to Us'
More people than ever are hospitalized with COVID-19. Health-care workers can't go on like this.
Ed Yong
November 13, 2020

In the months since March, many Americans have habituated to the horrors of the pandemic. They process the election's ramifications. They plan for the holidays. But health-care workers do not have the luxury of looking away: They're facing a third pandemic surge that is bigger and broader than the previous two. In the U.S., states now report more people in the hospital with COVID-19 than at any other point this year - and 40 percent more than just two weeks ago.

Emergency rooms are starting to fill again with COVID-19 patients. Utah, where Nathan Hatton is a pulmonary specialist at the University of Utah Hospital, is currently reporting 2,500 confirmed cases a day, roughly four times its summer peak.

Hospitals have put their pandemic plans into action, adding more beds and creating makeshift COVID-19 wards. But in the hardest-hit areas, there are simply not enough doctors, nurses, and other specialists to staff those beds. Some health-care workers told me that COVID-19 patients are the sickest people they've ever cared for: They require twice as much attention as a typical intensive-care-unit patient, for three times the normal length of stay. "It was doable over the summer, but now it's just too much," says Whitney Neville, a nurse based in Iowa. "Last Monday we had 25 patients waiting in the emergency department. They had been admitted but there was no one to take care of them." I asked her how much slack the system has left. "There is none," she said.

The entire state of Iowa is now out of staffed beds, Eli Perencevich, an infectious-disease doctor at the University of Iowa, told me. Worse is coming. Iowa is accumulating more than 3,600 confirmed cases every day; relative to its population, that's more than twice the rate Arizona experienced during its summer peak, "when their system was near collapse," Perencevich said. With only lax policies in place, those cases will continue to rise. Hospitalizations lag behind cases by about two weeks; by Thanksgiving, today's soaring cases will be overwhelming hospitals that already cannot cope. "The wave hasn't even crashed down on us yet," Perencevich said. "It keeps rising and rising, and we're all running on fear. The health-care system in Iowa is going to collapse, no question."

In the imminent future, patients will start to die because there simply aren't enough people to care for them. Doctors and nurses will burn out. The most precious resource the U.S. health-care system has in the struggle against COVID-19 isn't some miracle drug. It's the expertise of its health-care workers - and they are exhausted.

As hard as the work fatigue is, the "societal fatigue" is harder, said Hatton, the Utah pulmonary specialist. He is tired of walking out of an ICU where COVID-19 has killed another patient, and walking into a grocery store where he hears people saying it doesn't exist. Health-care workers and public-health officials have received threats and abusive messages accusing them of fearmongering. They've watched as friends have adopted Donald Trump's lies about doctors juking the hospitalization numbers to get more money. They've pleaded with family members to wear masks and physically distance, lest they end up competing for ICU beds that no longer exist. "Nurses have been the most trusted profession for 18 years in a row, which is now bull**** because no one is listening to us," Neville said.

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/11/third-surge-breaking-healthcare-workers/617091/

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We've had diseases throughout history and we will go through them over and over. It's what you sign up for when you pass your state boards. So there is no delusions about the job at all.

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Very, very true. That's all the more reason we should listen to what they say.

Iowa had +4,113 new cases today. This situation is headed in the wrong direction everywhere.

Sam Lowry said:

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'No One Is Listening to Us'
More people than ever are hospitalized with COVID-19. Health-care workers can't go on like this.
Ed Yong
November 13, 2020

In the months since March, many Americans have habituated to the horrors of the pandemic. They process the election's ramifications. They plan for the holidays. But health-care workers do not have the luxury of looking away: They're facing a third pandemic surge that is bigger and broader than the previous two. In the U.S., states now report more people in the hospital with COVID-19 than at any other point this year - and 40 percent more than just two weeks ago.

Emergency rooms are starting to fill again with COVID-19 patients. Utah, where Nathan Hatton is a pulmonary specialist at the University of Utah Hospital, is currently reporting 2,500 confirmed cases a day, roughly four times its summer peak.

Hospitals have put their pandemic plans into action, adding more beds and creating makeshift COVID-19 wards. But in the hardest-hit areas, there are simply not enough doctors, nurses, and other specialists to staff those beds. Some health-care workers told me that COVID-19 patients are the sickest people they've ever cared for: They require twice as much attention as a typical intensive-care-unit patient, for three times the normal length of stay. "It was doable over the summer, but now it's just too much," says Whitney Neville, a nurse based in Iowa. "Last Monday we had 25 patients waiting in the emergency department. They had been admitted but there was no one to take care of them." I asked her how much slack the system has left. "There is none," she said.

The entire state of Iowa is now out of staffed beds, Eli Perencevich, an infectious-disease doctor at the University of Iowa, told me. Worse is coming. Iowa is accumulating more than 3,600 confirmed cases every day; relative to its population, that's more than twice the rate Arizona experienced during its summer peak, "when their system was near collapse," Perencevich said. With only lax policies in place, those cases will continue to rise. Hospitalizations lag behind cases by about two weeks; by Thanksgiving, today's soaring cases will be overwhelming hospitals that already cannot cope. "The wave hasn't even crashed down on us yet," Perencevich said. "It keeps rising and rising, and we're all running on fear. The health-care system in Iowa is going to collapse, no question."

In the imminent future, patients will start to die because there simply aren't enough people to care for them. Doctors and nurses will burn out. The most precious resource the U.S. health-care system has in the struggle against COVID-19 isn't some miracle drug. It's the expertise of its health-care workers - and they are exhausted.

As hard as the work fatigue is, the "societal fatigue" is harder, said Hatton, the Utah pulmonary specialist. He is tired of walking out of an ICU where COVID-19 has killed another patient, and walking into a grocery store where he hears people saying it doesn't exist. Health-care workers and public-health officials have received threats and abusive messages accusing them of fearmongering. They've watched as friends have adopted Donald Trump's lies about doctors juking the hospitalization numbers to get more money. They've pleaded with family members to wear masks and physically distance, lest they end up competing for ICU beds that no longer exist. "Nurses have been the most trusted profession for 18 years in a row, which is now bull**** because no one is listening to us," Neville said.

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/11/third-surge-breaking-healthcare-workers/617091/

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Please post this over on the COVID misinformation thread.

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There are several posters here that need to go to Iowa and rescue these poor people. Its just a hoax thrown up by the democrats to steal the election. It will evaporate after Nov. 4th. Just ask readytowin and several others.

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Isn't it amazing how everybody quit talking about it after the election?

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Sam Lowry said:

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'No One Is Listening to Us'
More people than ever are hospitalized with COVID-19. Health-care workers can't go on like this.
Ed Yong
November 13, 2020

In the months since March, many Americans have habituated to the horrors of the pandemic. They process the election's ramifications. They plan for the holidays. But health-care workers do not have the luxury of looking away: They're facing a third pandemic surge that is bigger and broader than the previous two. In the U.S., states now report more people in the hospital with COVID-19 than at any other point this year - and 40 percent more than just two weeks ago.

Emergency rooms are starting to fill again with COVID-19 patients. Utah, where Nathan Hatton is a pulmonary specialist at the University of Utah Hospital, is currently reporting 2,500 confirmed cases a day, roughly four times its summer peak.

Hospitals have put their pandemic plans into action, adding more beds and creating makeshift COVID-19 wards. But in the hardest-hit areas, there are simply not enough doctors, nurses, and other specialists to staff those beds. Some health-care workers told me that COVID-19 patients are the sickest people they've ever cared for: They require twice as much attention as a typical intensive-care-unit patient, for three times the normal length of stay. "It was doable over the summer, but now it's just too much," says Whitney Neville, a nurse based in Iowa. "Last Monday we had 25 patients waiting in the emergency department. They had been admitted but there was no one to take care of them." I asked her how much slack the system has left. "There is none," she said.

The entire state of Iowa is now out of staffed beds, Eli Perencevich, an infectious-disease doctor at the University of Iowa, told me. Worse is coming. Iowa is accumulating more than 3,600 confirmed cases every day; relative to its population, that's more than twice the rate Arizona experienced during its summer peak, "when their system was near collapse," Perencevich said. With only lax policies in place, those cases will continue to rise. Hospitalizations lag behind cases by about two weeks; by Thanksgiving, today's soaring cases will be overwhelming hospitals that already cannot cope. "The wave hasn't even crashed down on us yet," Perencevich said. "It keeps rising and rising, and we're all running on fear. The health-care system in Iowa is going to collapse, no question."

In the imminent future, patients will start to die because there simply aren't enough people to care for them. Doctors and nurses will burn out. The most precious resource the U.S. health-care system has in the struggle against COVID-19 isn't some miracle drug. It's the expertise of its health-care workers - and they are exhausted.

As hard as the work fatigue is, the "societal fatigue" is harder, said Hatton, the Utah pulmonary specialist. He is tired of walking out of an ICU where COVID-19 has killed another patient, and walking into a grocery store where he hears people saying it doesn't exist. Health-care workers and public-health officials have received threats and abusive messages accusing them of fearmongering. They've watched as friends have adopted Donald Trump's lies about doctors juking the hospitalization numbers to get more money. They've pleaded with family members to wear masks and physically distance, lest they end up competing for ICU beds that no longer exist. "Nurses have been the most trusted profession for 18 years in a row, which is now bull**** because no one is listening to us," Neville said.

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/11/third-surge-breaking-healthcare-workers/617091/

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I am a retired RN and I can tell you nothing about acute care is easy. I was exposed to almost as many infectious diseases as exist. It's hard work which is why RN's change jobs a lot. Most want to become mgrs or administrators after a few years bc it will wear you down. We've had diseases throughout history and we will go through them over and over. It's what you sign up for when you pass your state boards. So there is no delusions about the job at all. I am still alive so I must have developed immunity to many of them along the way. I don't care how much PPE you use it is not 100% foolproof. You just protect yourself and hope all will be ok. No RN has time to worry about consequences bc your adrenaline is pumping sometimes for a whole 12hr shift and some days not so much. I pray for them every night. I am quite confident we will have a vaccine soon but even that is a crap shoot. Nothing will be the same again, but you cannot shut down society like these crazy Dem governors who tell you Do what I say and not what I do. Who the hell are they? Not medical experts for sure. Kids need to be in school, small businesses need to thrive and I am glad I am in TX because that is unlikely to happen here. All of the problems are caused by D's. They won't compromise rather they want to dictate. They are pathetic schizoid control freaks.

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People like you are why bodies are stacking up in El Paso.

These governors aren't doctors, but they're listening to doctors.

At least they're trying while Mad King Donald has barricaded himself in the White House doing nothing except trying to steal the election.

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No one listens to petty tyrants. Fatties and Oldsters should have locked themselves away. The rest of Iowa is just fine. You are responsible for your own health if you are concerned.

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Except for those fatties, oldsters and otherwise unhealthy folks who have to work, or go to the grocery store, post office, doctor's office, hardware store, share a house with others, have a car repaired or any of another dozen essential activities .

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Work? Your answer for that was to shut the world down for everyone so everyone suffered. If no one can work then the fatties and oldsters won't fall behind, right? If no one can go to dinner and the movies, then the fatties and oldsters won't miss out on anything. No. The fatties and oldsters can just do themselves what they demand everyone else do. Lock themselves up. You are safe in your house. Don't exercise. Don't walk your dog. Don't go to work or the store. Don't go to the doctor (like you told cancer patients to quit doing), don't go to dinner or the movies or school or church or weddings or funerals. Lock yourselves down, fatties and oldsters. The other 99.8%+ of the population is just fine.

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There are several posters here that need to go to Iowa and rescue these poor people. Its just a hoax thrown up by the democrats to steal the election. It will evaporate after Nov. 4th. Just ask readytowin and several others.

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What is the situation in Alaska ?

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Its starting to blow up. The Yukon Kuskokwim Hospital Center Says the Yukon Delta area is the hottest region in America as far as rapid infection rate. Most of the few companies here are shutting down and travel is discouraged. The postman was tested yesterday and the post office is now shut down for the first time in the villages 100 year history. Weather has prevented testing kits from getting here. The river has too much ice for travel so the only way in and out is by air. We have had 6 confirmed cases which is about 1% but I think its a lot higher.

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There are several posters here that need to go to Iowa and rescue these poor people. Its just a hoax thrown up by the democrats to steal the election. It will evaporate after Nov. 4th. Just ask readytowin and several others.

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What is the situation in Alaska ?

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Its starting to blow up. The Yukon Kuskokwim Hospital Center Says the Yukon Delta area is the hottest region in America as far as rapid infection rate. Most of the few companies here are shutting down and travel is discouraged. The postman was tested yesterday and the post office is now shut down for the first time in the villages 100 year history. Weather has prevented testing kits from getting here. The river has too much ice for travel so the only way in and out is by air. We have had 6 confirmed cases which is about 1% but I think its a lot higher.

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That is really bad news. Native Americans are often more at risk. Hopefully you are immune now.

I hope so. My basic research makes me think the time of immunity is only for a few months and its been 5. i go to work everyday but stay in my office and keep my distance from other people. I walk a lot and work out in one of my spare bdrms. I will not travel till May and that will be a one way ticket, Thanks for the concern.

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No one listens to petty tyrants. Fatties and Oldsters should have locked themselves away. The rest of Iowa is just fine. You are responsible for your own health if you are concerned.

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Except for those fatties, oldsters and otherwise unhealthy folks who have to work, or go to the grocery store, post office, doctor's office, hardware store, share a house with others, have a car repaired or any of another dozen essential activities .

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Work? Your answer for that was to shut the world down for everyone so everyone suffered. If no one can work then the fatties and oldsters won't fall behind, right? If no one can go to dinner and the movies, then the fatties and oldsters won't miss out on anything. No. The fatties and oldsters can just do themselves what they demand everyone else do. Lock themselves up. You are safe in your house. Don't exercise. Don't walk your dog. Don't go to work or the store. Don't go to the doctor (like you told cancer patients to quit doing), don't go to dinner or the movies or school or church or weddings or funerals. Lock yourselves down, fatties and oldsters. The other 99.8%+ of the population is just fine.

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It doesn't work that way and you know it . Most people don't have the luxury to self isolate full time .

Essential jobs have to remain open. Non essential entertainment related businesses where people are gathering need to be restricted or closed in areas of massive infection rates. Closed or restricted for a few weeks.

Yeah, if you are below 40 the odds of you of dying are slim, but that doesn't give anyone the right to infect a co worker of any age just because he needed a drink.

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The rest of the world is just fine.

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Yeah , Europe is doing just great.

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I hope so. My basic research makes me think the time of immunity is only for a few months and its been 5. i go to work everyday but stay in my office and keep my distance from other people. I walk a lot and work out in one of my spare bdrms. I will not travel till May and that will be a one way ticket, Thanks for the concern.

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Any chance you can get out of there now and work remote ?

Most sources say 35% of Americans are obese.

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No one listens to petty tyrants. Fatties and Oldsters should have locked themselves away. The rest of Iowa is just fine. You are responsible for your own health if you are concerned.

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Except for those fatties, oldsters and otherwise unhealthy folks who have to work, or go to the grocery store, post office, doctor's office, hardware store, share a house with others, have a car repaired or any of another dozen essential activities .

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Work? Your answer for that was to shut the world down for everyone so everyone suffered. If no one can work then the fatties and oldsters won't fall behind, right? If no one can go to dinner and the movies, then the fatties and oldsters won't miss out on anything. No. The fatties and oldsters can just do themselves what they demand everyone else do. Lock themselves up. You are safe in your house. Don't exercise. Don't walk your dog. Don't go to work or the store. Don't go to the doctor (like you told cancer patients to quit doing), don't go to dinner or the movies or school or church or weddings or funerals. Lock yourselves down, fatties and oldsters. The other 99.8%+ of the population is just fine.

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It doesn't work that way and you know it . Most people don't have the luxury to self isolate full time .

Essential jobs have to remain open. Non essential entertainment related businesses where people are gathering need to be restricted or closed in areas of massive infection rates. Closed or restricted for a few weeks.

Yeah, if you are below 40 the odds of you of dying are slim, but that doesn't give anyone the right to infect a co worker of any age just because he needed a drink.

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The rest of the world is just fine.

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Yeah , Europe is doing just great.

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Europe too. 99.8%+ of people ALL OVER THE WORLD are just fine. Fatties and Oldsters need to lock themselves away until they can get a vaccine. The rest of the world, all 99.8%+ of them, are doing great and need to get back to life as usual because they are in no danger from this cold.

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Bearitto said:

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No one listens to petty tyrants. Fatties and Oldsters should have locked themselves away. The rest of Iowa is just fine. You are responsible for your own health if you are concerned.

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Except for those fatties, oldsters and otherwise unhealthy folks who have to work, or go to the grocery store, post office, doctor's office, hardware store, share a house with others, have a car repaired or any of another dozen essential activities .

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Work? Your answer for that was to shut the world down for everyone so everyone suffered. If no one can work then the fatties and oldsters won't fall behind, right? If no one can go to dinner and the movies, then the fatties and oldsters won't miss out on anything. No. The fatties and oldsters can just do themselves what they demand everyone else do. Lock themselves up. You are safe in your house. Don't exercise. Don't walk your dog. Don't go to work or the store. Don't go to the doctor (like you told cancer patients to quit doing), don't go to dinner or the movies or school or church or weddings or funerals. Lock yourselves down, fatties and oldsters. The other 99.8%+ of the population is just fine.

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It doesn't work that way and you know it . Most people don't have the luxury to self isolate full time .

Essential jobs have to remain open. Non essential entertainment related businesses where people are gathering need to be restricted or closed in areas of massive infection rates. Closed or restricted for a few weeks.

Yeah, if you are below 40 the odds of you of dying are slim, but that doesn't give anyone the right to infect a co worker of any age just because he needed a drink.

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The rest of the world is just fine.

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Yeah , Europe is doing just great.

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Europe too. 99.8%+ of people ALL OVER THE WORLD are just fine. Fatties and Oldsters need to lock themselves away until they can get a vaccine. The rest of the world, all 99.8%+ of them, are doing great and need to get back to life as usual because they are in no danger from this cold.

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Again, the vast majority of those at higher risk don't have the luxury of locking themselves away.

But you already know this and merely choose to ignore it .

Hospitals throughout northern Colorado are filling up at an unprecedented rate. The expectations here are for hospital ICU's to be 100% full within 2-3 weeks.

At no prior point in this pandemic have we seen such an increase in cases. In Larimer County we have jumped from approx 24 new cases a day just a month ago to 300+ cases a day now.

Younger people are in fact occupying a significant number of these hospital beds. Often for 1-3 weeks. Thankfully the vast majority are surviving but its unrealistic to think of this as nothing more than a 'cold' .

WHO says 12% worldwide are obese. Where does your 99% come from?

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No one listens to petty tyrants. Fatties and Oldsters should have locked themselves away. The rest of Iowa is just fine. You are responsible for your own health if you are concerned.

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Except for those fatties, oldsters and otherwise unhealthy folks who have to work, or go to the grocery store, post office, doctor's office, hardware store, share a house with others, have a car repaired or any of another dozen essential activities .

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Work? Your answer for that was to shut the world down for everyone so everyone suffered. If no one can work then the fatties and oldsters won't fall behind, right? If no one can go to dinner and the movies, then the fatties and oldsters won't miss out on anything. No. The fatties and oldsters can just do themselves what they demand everyone else do. Lock themselves up. You are safe in your house. Don't exercise. Don't walk your dog. Don't go to work or the store. Don't go to the doctor (like you told cancer patients to quit doing), don't go to dinner or the movies or school or church or weddings or funerals. Lock yourselves down, fatties and oldsters. The other 99.8%+ of the population is just fine.

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It doesn't work that way and you know it . Most people don't have the luxury to self isolate full time .

Essential jobs have to remain open. Non essential entertainment related businesses where people are gathering need to be restricted or closed in areas of massive infection rates. Closed or restricted for a few weeks.

Yeah, if you are below 40 the odds of you of dying are slim, but that doesn't give anyone the right to infect a co worker of any age just because he needed a drink.

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The rest of the world is just fine.

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Yeah , Europe is doing just great.

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Europe too. 99.8%+ of people ALL OVER THE WORLD are just fine. Fatties and Oldsters need to lock themselves away until they can get a vaccine. The rest of the world, all 99.8%+ of them, are doing great and need to get back to life as usual because they are in no danger from this cold.

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Again, the vast majority of those at higher risk don't have the luxury of locking themselves away.

But you already know this and merely choose to ignore it .

Hospitals throughout northern Colorado are filling up at an unprecedented rate. The expectations here are for hospital ICU's to be 100% full within 2-3 weeks.

At no prior point in this pandemic have we seen such an increase in cases. In Larimer County we have jumped from approx 24 new cases a day just a month ago to 300+ cases a day now.

Younger people are in fact occupying a significant number of these hospital beds. Often for 1-3 weeks. Thankfully the vast majority are surviving but its unrealistic to think of this as nothing more than a 'cold' .

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LOL!!! So the whole WORLD can lock down if everyone is forced to do it at the same time, but the oldsters and fatties can't be expected to lock down by themselves, unless all the healthy people are forced to lock down with them? That's so incredibly selfish.

Again, at no time in the history of humanity has 0.2% of the population successfully forced 99.8%+ of the safe, healthy population into house arrest because of a cold, so they can feel that everyone is suffering equally. This is unprecedented and absurd.

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No one listens to petty tyrants. Fatties and Oldsters should have locked themselves away. The rest of Iowa is just fine. You are responsible for your own health if you are concerned.

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Except for those fatties, oldsters and otherwise unhealthy folks who have to work, or go to the grocery store, post office, doctor's office, hardware store, share a house with others, have a car repaired or any of another dozen essential activities .

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Work? Your answer for that was to shut the world down for everyone so everyone suffered. If no one can work then the fatties and oldsters won't fall behind, right? If no one can go to dinner and the movies, then the fatties and oldsters won't miss out on anything. No. The fatties and oldsters can just do themselves what they demand everyone else do. Lock themselves up. You are safe in your house. Don't exercise. Don't walk your dog. Don't go to work or the store. Don't go to the doctor (like you told cancer patients to quit doing), don't go to dinner or the movies or school or church or weddings or funerals. Lock yourselves down, fatties and oldsters. The other 99.8%+ of the population is just fine.

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It doesn't work that way and you know it . Most people don't have the luxury to self isolate full time .

Essential jobs have to remain open. Non essential entertainment related businesses where people are gathering need to be restricted or closed in areas of massive infection rates. Closed or restricted for a few weeks.

Yeah, if you are below 40 the odds of you of dying are slim, but that doesn't give anyone the right to infect a co worker of any age just because he needed a drink.

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The rest of the world is just fine.

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Yeah , Europe is doing just great.

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Europe too. 99.8%+ of people ALL OVER THE WORLD are just fine. Fatties and Oldsters need to lock themselves away until they can get a vaccine. The rest of the world, all 99.8%+ of them, are doing great and need to get back to life as usual because they are in no danger from this cold.

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Again, the vast majority of those at higher risk don't have the luxury of locking themselves away.

But you already know this and merely choose to ignore it .

Hospitals throughout northern Colorado are filling up at an unprecedented rate. The expectations here are for hospital ICU's to be 100% full within 2-3 weeks.

At no prior point in this pandemic have we seen such an increase in cases. In Larimer County we have jumped from approx 24 new cases a day just a month ago to 300+ cases a day now.

Younger people are in fact occupying a significant number of these hospital beds. Often for 1-3 weeks. Thankfully the vast majority are surviving but its unrealistic to think of this as nothing more than a 'cold' .

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LOL!!! So the whole WORLD can lock down if everyone is forced to do it at the same time, but the oldsters and fatties can't be expected to lock down by themselves, unless all the healthy people are forced to lock down with them? That's so incredibly selfish.

Again, at no time in the history of humanity has 0.2% of the population successfully forced 99.8%+ of the safe, healthy population into house arrest because of a cold, so they can feel that everyone is suffering equally. This is unprecedented and absurd.

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Hospitals are rapidly filling up. Many of those patients are not old or fat. Within 2-3 weeks hospitals here will be full. ICU's are already at 77% occupancy in my community .

Silly to constantly refer to this novel virus as a 'cold'. Hospitals would not be filling up if this was merely a 'cold'.

Essential businesses have to remain open.

Bars, restaurants, health clubs ....non essential business in hot spots like El Paso, Texas need to be closed temporarily .

If someone is so childish they cant do without 'happy hour' for a handful of weeks, while in the middle of a pandemic .....they shouldn't be socializing anyway .

There's no one to blame here but China.

China owes the world reparations and a massive apology.

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I hope so. My basic research makes me think the time of immunity is only for a few months and its been 5. i go to work everyday but stay in my office and keep my distance from other people. I walk a lot and work out in one of my spare bdrms. I will not travel till May and that will be a one way ticket, Thanks for the concern.

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There was an article that said immunity can last for years. The more severe the case, the more robust the immune response and the longer it lasts. I'll look for the publication.

Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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I hope so. My basic research makes me think the time of immunity is only for a few months and its been 5. i go to work everyday but stay in my office and keep my distance from other people. I walk a lot and work out in one of my spare bdrms. I will not travel till May and that will be a one way ticket, Thanks for the concern.

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Found some articles by googling "covid immunity long lasting"

Here's an excerpt to get you started:
Immune protection against severe reinfection appears lasting

Regardless of their detectable antibody levels, most COVID-19 survivors are likely to have lasting protection against severe COVID-19 if they become reinfected, thanks to other components of the body's immune response that remember the new coronavirus in different ways, researchers say. In a study of 185 patients, including 41 who had been infected more than six months earlier, scientists at La Jolla Institute for Immunology in California found that multiple branches of the immune system - not just antibodies - recognized the novel coronavirus for at least eight months. For example, so-called memory B cells that could recognize the virus and produce antibodies to fight it were more abundant six months after infection than at one month, they reported in a paper posted on Monday on bioRxiv ahead of peer review. The new findings "suggest that the immune system can remember the virus for years, and most people may be protected from severe COVID-19 for a substantial time," said study leaders Shane Crotty and Alessandro Sette. (bit.ly/3lJkz2q)
https://uk.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-science/covid-19-survivors-may-have-long-lasting-immunity-pfizer-vaccine-is-95-effective-in-trial-idUSKBN27Y2SD

Thanks My case was severe. I hope you are right

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No one listens to petty tyrants. Fatties and Oldsters should have locked themselves away. The rest of Iowa is just fine. You are responsible for your own health if you are concerned.

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Except for those fatties, oldsters and otherwise unhealthy folks who have to work, or go to the grocery store, post office, doctor's office, hardware store, share a house with others, have a car repaired or any of another dozen essential activities .

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Work? Your answer for that was to shut the world down for everyone so everyone suffered. If no one can work then the fatties and oldsters won't fall behind, right? If no one can go to dinner and the movies, then the fatties and oldsters won't miss out on anything. No. The fatties and oldsters can just do themselves what they demand everyone else do. Lock themselves up. You are safe in your house. Don't exercise. Don't walk your dog. Don't go to work or the store. Don't go to the doctor (like you told cancer patients to quit doing), don't go to dinner or the movies or school or church or weddings or funerals. Lock yourselves down, fatties and oldsters. The other 99.8%+ of the population is just fine.

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It doesn't work that way and you know it . Most people don't have the luxury to self isolate full time .

Essential jobs have to remain open. Non essential entertainment related businesses where people are gathering need to be restricted or closed in areas of massive infection rates. Closed or restricted for a few weeks.

Yeah, if you are below 40 the odds of you of dying are slim, but that doesn't give anyone the right to infect a co worker of any age just because he needed a drink.

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So, if most people don't have the luxury to self-isolate, force everyone into self-isolation by shutting down non-essential businesses? How does that work exactly?