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They told him 29 times to exit the vehicle. He refused. I suppose they could have tried to coax him out with a puppy. Or, alternatively, he could have complied with lawful orders after perhaps the 23rd time he was told?

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they also told him to put his hands out the window and get out while he was still seatbelted in... they absolutely suck at communication and conflict resolution. The driver did not comply with confusing instructions and was calm during most of the interaction, even after being pepper sprayed.

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They told him 8 times to put his hands out of the window or words to that effect. The driver didn't refuse to comply because he thought the instructions were confusing. He tried to take control of the situation and failed. When he realized he failed, he claimed to be scared or uncomfortable. Had he done as he was told and, if buckled, asked to remove his seatbelt, and then complied, no pepper spray.

This is not a difficult thing to do. Most people (including black people) are never in their entire lives placed under arrest or physically detained or pepper sprayed or tasered or shot by police. Most people (including black people) avoid these fates because most people (including black people) comply with lawful orders. Those who don't comply and resist, have a different outcome. The Hispanic cop was a jerk. So what? Comply and then file a complaint.

This driver was 100% in the wrong. The Hispanic cop was 100% a jerk. There is a 100% chance this would have ended with no pepper spray if the driver had simply complied with the jerk's lawful order.

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Easier said than done when you got two guns pointed at your face along with a bunch if screaming and yelling of confusing orders lol.

If he leans over for the belt buckle, they'll get even more anxious. The younger cop knew the **** was wrong lol, come on man.

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It's difficult to comply with guns pointed at you? It's easier to argue with men holding guns pointed at you and giving you lawful orders? Rethink that.

The young cop pleaded with him to just comply. He still refused. He brought everything on himself. Never mind he drove on for quite some time before complying with instructions to pull over. The guy could literally find no instruction he found worthy of following.

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Nobody said they weren't lawful orders lol. Rethink that.

We said they were confusing orders! Especially all while being yelled at with guns pointed at you.

The younger cop obviously looked taken back by the situation and felt bad, but since it was his partner he obviously has to have his back

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Shouting for him to get out of the car 29 times is confusing? How many times must the same order be shouted at you before you understand? 30? 31? Also, no one said you said they weren't lawful orders. Lawful orders described the orders given. Context is important and largely ignored in discussions on this sort of topic.

The young cop was probably exasperated with the jerk cop and with the non-compliant masochist behind the wheel. Cops have one thing to use in execution of their jobs...police power. If you refuse to comply with the verbal version of it, you will inevitably meet the physical version of it. Unless of course you are a BLM rioter or Antifa.

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What are you shouting and pointing guns for if his hands are out the window AS THE ASKED FOR lol. Any sudden move that they feel is suspicious, they shoot and save their own asses by saying "We didnt know if he was reaching for something".

It made him suspicious because he wanted to pull into a "well lit area"? Which led immediately to guns and screaming? Can't concentrate under that, especially for missing "tags", that were hanging in the window

How are you not getting this when you just stated that the cop was a 100% jerk?

How's he a jerk if he was also right?

I understand you're a blue lives matter till the death of you lol, but my goodness.

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1. The first 8 shouts were to put his hands out. He eventually complied.
2. The remaining 29 shouts were to use those hands to open the car door (latch is right there on the outside of the door) to open that car door and exit.
3. If you are concerned about making sudden moves, don't make sudden moves. Ask permission and don't move until given permission.
4. His refusal to comply with lights and instructions to pull over and instead continue to drive on until he decided to pull over is one thing that turned it into a felony stop. This yielded the guns.
5. His tags in his blacked out windows were not visible while driving. This was the source of his initial contact.
6. A cop can be 100% a jerk and still be 100% correct. Many pull off this remarkable feat on a daily basis. You don't get to fail to comply with a lawful order just because the cop who gave it is a jerk.

These are not challenging concepts. Taken together, these place the driver squarely in the wrong. If you have further questions with obvious and easy answers you choose to ignore, please reference the above. Regards.

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1. Why are the shouting and being so aggressive over a traffic stop.

2. Why are yoy shouting telling the guy to open his door for? He's confused at that point to what could he have possibly done to warrant the aggression...aaaagain.

3. Did he not tell them he was scared and remained with his hands out the window?

4. Turned into a felony because he drove to a well lit area? Ooook lol, let's upgrade the charges for no reason.

5. Sooo you're telling me the camera on their body cam that caught the tags hanging, weren't visible enough for them to see them? Sheeeesh

6. How do you comply with a jerk cop constantly yelling and pointing a gun at you, while giving confusing instructions lol.

+1 for the cop using pepper spray and not the gun tho

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The next time a cop comes up behind you and turns his sirens, try driving nearly 2 miles before stopping and see what happens. This raises all kinds of suspicions.

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2 miles? Wow, if that's true, then that was just flat-out dumb if you're scared of the police. I've driven 50 - 100 yards to well-lit areas before stopping, but 2 miles is asking for being treated with suspicion from the start.

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They told him 29 times to exit the vehicle. He refused. I suppose they could have tried to coax him out with a puppy. Or, alternatively, he could have complied with lawful orders after perhaps the 23rd time he was told?

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they also told him to put his hands out the window and get out while he was still seatbelted in... they absolutely suck at communication and conflict resolution. The driver did not comply with confusing instructions and was calm during most of the interaction, even after being pepper sprayed.

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They told him 8 times to put his hands out of the window or words to that effect. The driver didn't refuse to comply because he thought the instructions were confusing. He tried to take control of the situation and failed. When he realized he failed, he claimed to be scared or uncomfortable. Had he done as he was told and, if buckled, asked to remove his seatbelt, and then complied, no pepper spray.

This is not a difficult thing to do. Most people (including black people) are never in their entire lives placed under arrest or physically detained or pepper sprayed or tasered or shot by police. Most people (including black people) avoid these fates because most people (including black people) comply with lawful orders. Those who don't comply and resist, have a different outcome. The Hispanic cop was a jerk. So what? Comply and then file a complaint.

This driver was 100% in the wrong. The Hispanic cop was 100% a jerk. There is a 100% chance this would have ended with no pepper spray if the driver had simply complied with the jerk's lawful order.

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Easier said than done when you got two guns pointed at your face along with a bunch if screaming and yelling of confusing orders lol.

If he leans over for the belt buckle, they'll get even more anxious. The younger cop knew the **** was wrong lol, come on man.

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It's difficult to comply with guns pointed at you? It's easier to argue with men holding guns pointed at you and giving you lawful orders? Rethink that.

The young cop pleaded with him to just comply. He still refused. He brought everything on himself. Never mind he drove on for quite some time before complying with instructions to pull over. The guy could literally find no instruction he found worthy of following.

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Nobody said they weren't lawful orders lol. Rethink that.

We said they were confusing orders! Especially all while being yelled at with guns pointed at you.

The younger cop obviously looked taken back by the situation and felt bad, but since it was his partner he obviously has to have his back

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Shouting for him to get out of the car 29 times is confusing? How many times must the same order be shouted at you before you understand? 30? 31? Also, no one said you said they weren't lawful orders. Lawful orders described the orders given. Context is important and largely ignored in discussions on this sort of topic.

The young cop was probably exasperated with the jerk cop and with the non-compliant masochist behind the wheel. Cops have one thing to use in execution of their jobs...police power. If you refuse to comply with the verbal version of it, you will inevitably meet the physical version of it. Unless of course you are a BLM rioter or Antifa.

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What are you shouting and pointing guns for if his hands are out the window AS THE ASKED FOR lol. Any sudden move that they feel is suspicious, they shoot and save their own asses by saying "We didnt know if he was reaching for something".

It made him suspicious because he wanted to pull into a "well lit area"? Which led immediately to guns and screaming? Can't concentrate under that, especially for missing "tags", that were hanging in the window

How are you not getting this when you just stated that the cop was a 100% jerk?

How's he a jerk if he was also right?

I understand you're a blue lives matter till the death of you lol, but my goodness.

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1. The first 8 shouts were to put his hands out. He eventually complied.
2. The remaining 29 shouts were to use those hands to open the car door (latch is right there on the outside of the door) to open that car door and exit.
3. If you are concerned about making sudden moves, don't make sudden moves. Ask permission and don't move until given permission.
4. His refusal to comply with lights and instructions to pull over and instead continue to drive on until he decided to pull over is one thing that turned it into a felony stop. This yielded the guns.
5. His tags in his blacked out windows were not visible while driving. This was the source of his initial contact.
6. A cop can be 100% a jerk and still be 100% correct. Many pull off this remarkable feat on a daily basis. You don't get to fail to comply with a lawful order just because the cop who gave it is a jerk.

These are not challenging concepts. Taken together, these place the driver squarely in the wrong. If you have further questions with obvious and easy answers you choose to ignore, please reference the above. Regards.

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1. Why are the shouting and being so aggressive over a traffic stop.

2. Why are yoy shouting telling the guy to open his door for? He's confused at that point to what could he have possibly done to warrant the aggression...aaaagain.

3. Did he not tell them he was scared and remained with his hands out the window?

4. Turned into a felony because he drove to a well lit area? Ooook lol, let's upgrade the charges for no reason.

5. Sooo you're telling me the camera on their body cam that caught the tags hanging, weren't visible enough for them to see them? Sheeeesh

6. How do you comply with a jerk cop constantly yelling and pointing a gun at you, while giving confusing instructions lol.

+1 for the cop using pepper spray and not the gun tho

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The next time a cop comes up behind you and turns his sirens, try driving nearly 2 miles before stopping and see what happens. This raises all kinds of suspicions.

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2 miles or less than 2min?

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They told him 29 times to exit the vehicle. He refused. I suppose they could have tried to coax him out with a puppy. Or, alternatively, he could have complied with lawful orders after perhaps the 23rd time he was told?

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they also told him to put his hands out the window and get out while he was still seatbelted in... they absolutely suck at communication and conflict resolution. The driver did not comply with confusing instructions and was calm during most of the interaction, even after being pepper sprayed.

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They told him 8 times to put his hands out of the window or words to that effect. The driver didn't refuse to comply because he thought the instructions were confusing. He tried to take control of the situation and failed. When he realized he failed, he claimed to be scared or uncomfortable. Had he done as he was told and, if buckled, asked to remove his seatbelt, and then complied, no pepper spray.

This is not a difficult thing to do. Most people (including black people) are never in their entire lives placed under arrest or physically detained or pepper sprayed or tasered or shot by police. Most people (including black people) avoid these fates because most people (including black people) comply with lawful orders. Those who don't comply and resist, have a different outcome. The Hispanic cop was a jerk. So what? Comply and then file a complaint.

This driver was 100% in the wrong. The Hispanic cop was 100% a jerk. There is a 100% chance this would have ended with no pepper spray if the driver had simply complied with the jerk's lawful order.

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Easier said than done when you got two guns pointed at your face along with a bunch if screaming and yelling of confusing orders lol.

If he leans over for the belt buckle, they'll get even more anxious. The younger cop knew the **** was wrong lol, come on man.

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It's difficult to comply with guns pointed at you? It's easier to argue with men holding guns pointed at you and giving you lawful orders? Rethink that.

The young cop pleaded with him to just comply. He still refused. He brought everything on himself. Never mind he drove on for quite some time before complying with instructions to pull over. The guy could literally find no instruction he found worthy of following.

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Nobody said they weren't lawful orders lol. Rethink that.

We said they were confusing orders! Especially all while being yelled at with guns pointed at you.

The younger cop obviously looked taken back by the situation and felt bad, but since it was his partner he obviously has to have his back

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Shouting for him to get out of the car 29 times is confusing? How many times must the same order be shouted at you before you understand? 30? 31? Also, no one said you said they weren't lawful orders. Lawful orders described the orders given. Context is important and largely ignored in discussions on this sort of topic.

The young cop was probably exasperated with the jerk cop and with the non-compliant masochist behind the wheel. Cops have one thing to use in execution of their jobs...police power. If you refuse to comply with the verbal version of it, you will inevitably meet the physical version of it. Unless of course you are a BLM rioter or Antifa.

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What are you shouting and pointing guns for if his hands are out the window AS THE ASKED FOR lol. Any sudden move that they feel is suspicious, they shoot and save their own asses by saying "We didnt know if he was reaching for something".

It made him suspicious because he wanted to pull into a "well lit area"? Which led immediately to guns and screaming? Can't concentrate under that, especially for missing "tags", that were hanging in the window

How are you not getting this when you just stated that the cop was a 100% jerk?

How's he a jerk if he was also right?

I understand you're a blue lives matter till the death of you lol, but my goodness.

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1. The first 8 shouts were to put his hands out. He eventually complied.
2. The remaining 29 shouts were to use those hands to open the car door (latch is right there on the outside of the door) to open that car door and exit.
3. If you are concerned about making sudden moves, don't make sudden moves. Ask permission and don't move until given permission.
4. His refusal to comply with lights and instructions to pull over and instead continue to drive on until he decided to pull over is one thing that turned it into a felony stop. This yielded the guns.
5. His tags in his blacked out windows were not visible while driving. This was the source of his initial contact.
6. A cop can be 100% a jerk and still be 100% correct. Many pull off this remarkable feat on a daily basis. You don't get to fail to comply with a lawful order just because the cop who gave it is a jerk.

These are not challenging concepts. Taken together, these place the driver squarely in the wrong. If you have further questions with obvious and easy answers you choose to ignore, please reference the above. Regards.

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1. Why are the shouting and being so aggressive over a traffic stop.

2. Why are yoy shouting telling the guy to open his door for? He's confused at that point to what could he have possibly done to warrant the aggression...aaaagain.

3. Did he not tell them he was scared and remained with his hands out the window?

4. Turned into a felony because he drove to a well lit area? Ooook lol, let's upgrade the charges for no reason.

5. Sooo you're telling me the camera on their body cam that caught the tags hanging, weren't visible enough for them to see them? Sheeeesh

6. How do you comply with a jerk cop constantly yelling and pointing a gun at you, while giving confusing instructions lol.

+1 for the cop using pepper spray and not the gun tho

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1. Cops yell when orders are ignored. Go figure.
2. They yelled because 8, 18 and then 28 times didn't sink in. He wasn't confused. He was trying to take control. He lost.
3. He claimed to be scared after he realized they were going to make him comply. Seems an appropriate time to be scared. Good reason to comply.
4. It turned into a felony traffic stop because he chose not to stop when ordered. The designation is standard for evading police, which he did.
5. The body camera caught the paper tags in the blacked out windows under the bright lights at a gas station, yes. It did not do so on a dark road.
6. You comply to the clear and repeated instructions delivered to you 29 times providing the same unequivocal command. That's how you comply. Pretty straightforward actually. If the cop is a jerk, that just means you are being treated like everyone else.

I'll leave you to your further attempts to excuse this man's bad choices to not comply with lawful orders, which served him poorly.

I'm going to assume this guy was in compliance just before he started busting shots.
Still alive.

Suspect In Burleson Officer Shooting Now In Custody, Was Also Wanted In Kidnapping, Homicide

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They told him 29 times to exit the vehicle. He refused. I suppose they could have tried to coax him out with a puppy. Or, alternatively, he could have complied with lawful orders after perhaps the 23rd time he was told?

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they also told him to put his hands out the window and get out while he was still seatbelted in... they absolutely suck at communication and conflict resolution. The driver did not comply with confusing instructions and was calm during most of the interaction, even after being pepper sprayed.

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They told him 8 times to put his hands out of the window or words to that effect. The driver didn't refuse to comply because he thought the instructions were confusing. He tried to take control of the situation and failed. When he realized he failed, he claimed to be scared or uncomfortable. Had he done as he was told and, if buckled, asked to remove his seatbelt, and then complied, no pepper spray.

This is not a difficult thing to do. Most people (including black people) are never in their entire lives placed under arrest or physically detained or pepper sprayed or tasered or shot by police. Most people (including black people) avoid these fates because most people (including black people) comply with lawful orders. Those who don't comply and resist, have a different outcome. The Hispanic cop was a jerk. So what? Comply and then file a complaint.

This driver was 100% in the wrong. The Hispanic cop was 100% a jerk. There is a 100% chance this would have ended with no pepper spray if the driver had simply complied with the jerk's lawful order.

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Easier said than done when you got two guns pointed at your face along with a bunch if screaming and yelling of confusing orders lol.

If he leans over for the belt buckle, they'll get even more anxious. The younger cop knew the **** was wrong lol, come on man.

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It's difficult to comply with guns pointed at you? It's easier to argue with men holding guns pointed at you and giving you lawful orders? Rethink that.

The young cop pleaded with him to just comply. He still refused. He brought everything on himself. Never mind he drove on for quite some time before complying with instructions to pull over. The guy could literally find no instruction he found worthy of following.

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Nobody said they weren't lawful orders lol. Rethink that.

We said they were confusing orders! Especially all while being yelled at with guns pointed at you.

The younger cop obviously looked taken back by the situation and felt bad, but since it was his partner he obviously has to have his back

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Shouting for him to get out of the car 29 times is confusing? How many times must the same order be shouted at you before you understand? 30? 31? Also, no one said you said they weren't lawful orders. Lawful orders described the orders given. Context is important and largely ignored in discussions on this sort of topic.

The young cop was probably exasperated with the jerk cop and with the non-compliant masochist behind the wheel. Cops have one thing to use in execution of their jobs...police power. If you refuse to comply with the verbal version of it, you will inevitably meet the physical version of it. Unless of course you are a BLM rioter or Antifa.

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What are you shouting and pointing guns for if his hands are out the window AS THE ASKED FOR lol. Any sudden move that they feel is suspicious, they shoot and save their own asses by saying "We didnt know if he was reaching for something".

It made him suspicious because he wanted to pull into a "well lit area"? Which led immediately to guns and screaming? Can't concentrate under that, especially for missing "tags", that were hanging in the window

How are you not getting this when you just stated that the cop was a 100% jerk?

How's he a jerk if he was also right?

I understand you're a blue lives matter till the death of you lol, but my goodness.

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1. The first 8 shouts were to put his hands out. He eventually complied.
2. The remaining 29 shouts were to use those hands to open the car door (latch is right there on the outside of the door) to open that car door and exit.
3. If you are concerned about making sudden moves, don't make sudden moves. Ask permission and don't move until given permission.
4. His refusal to comply with lights and instructions to pull over and instead continue to drive on until he decided to pull over is one thing that turned it into a felony stop. This yielded the guns.
5. His tags in his blacked out windows were not visible while driving. This was the source of his initial contact.
6. A cop can be 100% a jerk and still be 100% correct. Many pull off this remarkable feat on a daily basis. You don't get to fail to comply with a lawful order just because the cop who gave it is a jerk.

These are not challenging concepts. Taken together, these place the driver squarely in the wrong. If you have further questions with obvious and easy answers you choose to ignore, please reference the above. Regards.

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1. Why are the shouting and being so aggressive over a traffic stop.

2. Why are yoy shouting telling the guy to open his door for? He's confused at that point to what could he have possibly done to warrant the aggression...aaaagain.

3. Did he not tell them he was scared and remained with his hands out the window?

4. Turned into a felony because he drove to a well lit area? Ooook lol, let's upgrade the charges for no reason.

5. Sooo you're telling me the camera on their body cam that caught the tags hanging, weren't visible enough for them to see them? Sheeeesh

6. How do you comply with a jerk cop constantly yelling and pointing a gun at you, while giving confusing instructions lol.

+1 for the cop using pepper spray and not the gun tho

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1. Cops yell when orders are ignored. Go figure.
2. They yelled because 8, 18 and then 28 times didn't sink in. He wasn't confused. He was trying to take control. He lost.
3. He claimed to be scared after he realized they were going to make him comply. Seems an appropriate time to be scared. Good reason to comply.
4. It turned into a felony traffic stop because he chose not to stop when ordered. The designation is standard for evading police, which he did.
5. The body camera caught the paper tags in the blacked out windows under the bright lights at a gas station, yes. It did not do so on a dark road.
6. You comply to the clear and repeated instructions delivered to you 29 times providing the same unequivocal command. That's how you comply. Pretty straightforward actually. If the cop is a jerk, that just means you are being treated like everyone else.

I'll leave you to your further attempts to excuse this man's bad choices to not comply with lawful orders, which served him poorly.

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1. Oh i forgot, they got the POWA.
2. So tried to ***** the cops by putting his hands out the window? Gotcha. I thought that would be more so of getting out and walking towards them in anger.
3. Just because he said he was scared later on, doesn't mean he wasn't before lol.
4. Literally less than 2min for a well lit area, yea let's get aggressive and make it a felony so we can get paid a little extra commission.
5.It was a newer car, paper tags were there, or maybe they couldn't tell after springing into action with guns.
6. Complying all while still being yelled at with confusing instructions and guns pointed right in your face, yea thats sooooo easy.

I'll leave you to your poor attempts, that led to your blue lives matter cop getting fired. Sucks to suck

So you're saying that people only flee, or run, when they have something to hide?

THAT is what you're going with?

Philando Castille was murdered for telling the policeman he had a gun, and following directions to show him the permit.

He was murdered in front of his baby and her mother.

The murderer was set free and when the National Review called it a miscarriage of justice.

If you can't see why someone would distrust the police for completely legitimate reasons, you are ****ing stupid.

This officer forgot to pack his pepper spray and taser

Should the media or Hollywood, both of which glorifies violence, killing, deaths, etc. and has done their fair share of painting certain ethnic groups as much more violent, more lawless and often drug addled than others be blamed for some of this.

Facts are facts and stats that back up these facts can't be ignored (unless you are the media or hollywood) can they?

Should cops be cops if they got beat up every week for their lunch money when they were boys or girls? Should black cops be assigned to predominately white neighborhoods or white cops to black neighborhoods?

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He sure did. I'll bet he doesn't forget again.

The driver deserved to be knocked to the ground by tazer, rubber bullets, bean bag shotgun blasts or skunk water.

If nothing else shoot out one or two of his tires. I'm not sure why this stop happened but this cop is too chicken to stand his ground.

Why are you a racist *******? Start there.

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Philando Castille was murdered for telling the policeman he had a gun, and following directions to show him the permit.

He was murdered in front of his baby and her mother.

The murderer was set free and when the National Review called it a miscarriage of justice.

If you can't see why someone would distrust the police for completely legitimate reasons, you are ****ing stupid.

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I agree with you. I don't trust cops in general, but you convinced me it would have been better for me to always escalate an encounter with cops when I am confronted by one or pulled over by one. I get it; you should try to kill the cop before he kills you. I understand now I was wrong to comply with the out of control cops' orders who came after my friend and me; I should have grabbed his gun and tried to kill him.

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Why are you a racist *******? Start there.

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Race card played before sundown?

Bad cops make it more dangerous for every other cop. They make it more dangerous for the communities they are supposed to police which makes it more dangerous for the next community and on down the line.

But y'all will defend any piece of **** with a badge.

They're human. They can be incompetent. They can be racist. They can be really bad at their jobs. And yes, they can be murderers.

But no one, not even when they make mistakes that kill people guilty of no more than traffic violations, is worthy of consequences if they have a badge, right?

Come on. Wake up.

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Philando Castille was murdered for telling the policeman he had a gun, and following directions to show him the permit.

He was murdered in front of his baby and her mother.

The murderer was set free and when the National Review called it a miscarriage of justice.

If you can't see why someone would distrust the police for completely legitimate reasons, you are ****ing stupid.

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I agree with you. I don't trust cops in general, but you convinced me it would have been better for me to always escalate an encounter with cops when I am confronted by one or pulled over by one. I get it; you should try to kill the cop before he kills you. I understand now I was wrong to comply with the out of control cops' orders who came after my friend and me; I should have grabbed his gun and tried to kill him.

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Where did I say that? Where did I say kill anyone?

This is where you sister-****ers got it wrong. I know it's crazy, but I don't think anyone deserves to die.

Your straw man argument aside, being a cop isn't even in the top 25 deadliest jobs in America.

More police died from COVID last year than from violence. A lot more. But y'all don't want to blame people for not wearing masks, because the elections are coming up and you're depending on the moron vote.

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I'm laughing at your accusation of incest. I get that you think I am an inferior human being because I deviate from your political beliefs. I've felt that same judgment from a few cops I encountered; you're just like them.

I don't think Daunte deserved to die either, even if he did stuck a gun into a lady's face, just like a cop did to me. I know how Daunte made that lady feel in that moment. He was a garbage person for doing that, but he didn't deserve to die anymore than the cop sticking a gun in my face did.

But your side keeps framing the argument such that you say cops are out to kill you, and then turn around and sure as hell looks like to me you are justifying and excusing not obeying orders from these cops, and doing other things to escalate the encounter with people YOU ADMIT ARE DANGEROUS TO YOUR LIFE. We're talking actions that actually worsen the civilian's tactical situation.

Who's the dumb ass? It is an absolute disservice to imply to people that their fear of cops okays them acting irrationally in a cop encounter and escalating the situation, as some are doing in this thread.

The moment I truly believe a cop is out to kill me, I'm going to do what I can to survive. If your position is that cops in general are out to murder black people, then start taking the approach that black people need to go to war in every cop encounter, instead of this stupid half-ass escalation you seem to be okay with of halfway letting a cop handcuff you and then wrestling away from him and jumping into your car and flailing around in it like a sitting duck.

I have been in this situation - it's absolutely not a game - stop defending behaviors that treat it like one.

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Philando Castille was murdered for telling the policeman he had a gun, and following directions to show him the permit.

He was murdered in front of his baby and her mother.

The murderer was set free and when the National Review called it a miscarriage of justice.

If you can't see why someone would distrust the police for completely legitimate reasons, you are ****ing stupid.

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I agree with you. I don't trust cops in general, but you convinced me it would have been better for me to always escalate an encounter with cops when I am confronted by one or pulled over by one. I get it; you should try to kill the cop before he kills you. I understand now I was wrong to comply with the out of control cops' orders who came after my friend and me; I should have grabbed his gun and tried to kill him.

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The law falls apart when you can be put to death because you have something hanging from your rear view mirror.

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What happens when you can commit a crime and flee arrest with impunity?

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Should the media or Hollywood, both of which glorifies violence, killing, deaths, etc. and has done their fair share of painting certain ethnic groups as much more violent, more lawless and often drug addled than others be blamed for some of this.

Facts are facts and stats that back up these facts can't be ignored (unless you are the media or hollywood) can they?

Should cops be cops if they got beat up every week for their lunch money when they were boys or girls? Should black cops be assigned to predominately white neighborhoods or white cops to black neighborhoods?

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Dude. Your whataboutism needs some work. You're not even trying anymore.

You can blame "the media" and "Hollywood" or whatever ****ing stupid ass bogeyman makes you cream your khakis with anger, I guess.

Or, yknow, you could blame the *******s with guns that you insist have immunity. I swear to God, police are the ONLY people not allowed to be blamed for being horribly ****ing human.

Stop making everyone else stupid with your talking.

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Having a tough time with my questions aren't you? I sense that you might be a little angry having to consider my questions above.

As a law abiding citizen I'll take the cop all day long. Immunity? Swearing to God? I think you lost your ****.

The stupid people are those that break the law, refuse to follow simple directions in English from the authorities and then run like pu$$ie$ from authorities. If they can't figure out by now that this always ends badly for them, they can't be helped.

You do us a favor..........engage with a police officer, talk your weak-@$$ BS and then play stupid with them before running from the police. Please. You obviously have weak BS, stupidity and low self esteem. Now get out there and roust out some of those horrible _____ing humans you talked about.

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Philando Castille was murdered for telling the policeman he had a gun, and following directions to show him the permit.

He was murdered in front of his baby and her mother.

The murderer was set free and when the National Review called it a miscarriage of justice.

If you can't see why someone would distrust the police for completely legitimate reasons, you are ****ing stupid.

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I agree with you. I don't trust cops in general, but you convinced me it would have been better for me to always escalate an encounter with cops when I am confronted by one or pulled over by one. I get it; you should try to kill the cop before he kills you. I understand now I was wrong to comply with the out of control cops' orders who came after my friend and me; I should have grabbed his gun and tried to kill him.

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Where did I say that? Where did I say kill anyone?

This is where you sister-****ers got it wrong. I know it's crazy, but I don't think anyone deserves to die just for being an *******. Or crazy. Or angry. Or even racist.

The law falls apart when you can be put to death because you have something hanging from your rear view mirror.

Your straw man argument aside, being a cop isn't even in the top 25 deadliest jobs in America.

More police died from COVID last year than from violence. A lot more. But y'all don't want to blame people for not wearing masks, because the elections are coming up and you're depending on the moron vote.

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Wait, who do you think was put to death for "having something hanging from their rear view mirror"? You are seriously unhinged.

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They told him 29 times to exit the vehicle. He refused. I suppose they could have tried to coax him out with a puppy. Or, alternatively, he could have complied with lawful orders after perhaps the 23rd time he was told?

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they also told him to put his hands out the window and get out while he was still seatbelted in... they absolutely suck at communication and conflict resolution. The driver did not comply with confusing instructions and was calm during most of the interaction, even after being pepper sprayed.

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They told him 8 times to put his hands out of the window or words to that effect. The driver didn't refuse to comply because he thought the instructions were confusing. He tried to take control of the situation and failed. When he realized he failed, he claimed to be scared or uncomfortable. Had he done as he was told and, if buckled, asked to remove his seatbelt, and then complied, no pepper spray.

This is not a difficult thing to do. Most people (including black people) are never in their entire lives placed under arrest or physically detained or pepper sprayed or tasered or shot by police. Most people (including black people) avoid these fates because most people (including black people) comply with lawful orders. Those who don't comply and resist, have a different outcome. The Hispanic cop was a jerk. So what? Comply and then file a complaint.

This driver was 100% in the wrong. The Hispanic cop was 100% a jerk. There is a 100% chance this would have ended with no pepper spray if the driver had simply complied with the jerk's lawful order.

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Easier said than done when you got two guns pointed at your face along with a bunch if screaming and yelling of confusing orders lol.

If he leans over for the belt buckle, they'll get even more anxious. The younger cop knew the **** was wrong lol, come on man.

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It's difficult to comply with guns pointed at you? It's easier to argue with men holding guns pointed at you and giving you lawful orders? Rethink that.

The young cop pleaded with him to just comply. He still refused. He brought everything on himself. Never mind he drove on for quite some time before complying with instructions to pull over. The guy could literally find no instruction he found worthy of following.

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Nobody said they weren't lawful orders lol. Rethink that.

We said they were confusing orders! Especially all while being yelled at with guns pointed at you.

The younger cop obviously looked taken back by the situation and felt bad, but since it was his partner he obviously has to have his back

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Shouting for him to get out of the car 29 times is confusing? How many times must the same order be shouted at you before you understand? 30? 31? Also, no one said you said they weren't lawful orders. Lawful orders described the orders given. Context is important and largely ignored in discussions on this sort of topic.

The young cop was probably exasperated with the jerk cop and with the non-compliant masochist behind the wheel. Cops have one thing to use in execution of their jobs...police power. If you refuse to comply with the verbal version of it, you will inevitably meet the physical version of it. Unless of course you are a BLM rioter or Antifa.

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What are you shouting and pointing guns for if his hands are out the window AS THE ASKED FOR lol. Any sudden move that they feel is suspicious, they shoot and save their own asses by saying "We didnt know if he was reaching for something".

It made him suspicious because he wanted to pull into a "well lit area"? Which led immediately to guns and screaming? Can't concentrate under that, especially for missing "tags", that were hanging in the window

How are you not getting this when you just stated that the cop was a 100% jerk?

How's he a jerk if he was also right?

I understand you're a blue lives matter till the death of you lol, but my goodness.

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1. The first 8 shouts were to put his hands out. He eventually complied.
2. The remaining 29 shouts were to use those hands to open the car door (latch is right there on the outside of the door) to open that car door and exit.
3. If you are concerned about making sudden moves, don't make sudden moves. Ask permission and don't move until given permission.
4. His refusal to comply with lights and instructions to pull over and instead continue to drive on until he decided to pull over is one thing that turned it into a felony stop. This yielded the guns.
5. His tags in his blacked out windows were not visible while driving. This was the source of his initial contact.
6. A cop can be 100% a jerk and still be 100% correct. Many pull off this remarkable feat on a daily basis. You don't get to fail to comply with a lawful order just because the cop who gave it is a jerk.

These are not challenging concepts. Taken together, these place the driver squarely in the wrong. If you have further questions with obvious and easy answers you choose to ignore, please reference the above. Regards.

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1. Why are the shouting and being so aggressive over a traffic stop.

2. Why are yoy shouting telling the guy to open his door for? He's confused at that point to what could he have possibly done to warrant the aggression...aaaagain.

3. Did he not tell them he was scared and remained with his hands out the window?

4. Turned into a felony because he drove to a well lit area? Ooook lol, let's upgrade the charges for no reason.

5. Sooo you're telling me the camera on their body cam that caught the tags hanging, weren't visible enough for them to see them? Sheeeesh

6. How do you comply with a jerk cop constantly yelling and pointing a gun at you, while giving confusing instructions lol.

+1 for the cop using pepper spray and not the gun tho

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The next time a cop comes up behind you and turns his sirens, try driving nearly 2 miles before stopping and see what happens. This raises all kinds of suspicions.

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Given the rhetoric of the officer and the outcome of the situation, it sounds like driving 2 miles to a well lit public area was the right thing to do.

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Because there exists the societal narrative that the police cannot be trusted. We are bombarded with stories about police abusing their power, brutalizing innocent civilians, murdering them, treating their fellow Americans as if the police are the ruling class, and civilians supposed to bow down and worship them anytime they show up, for any reason. Sometimes including sleeping in your own bed gets you killed.

There is a measure of rationality that is lost in all of this, as we continue to be flooded with cherry picked news. You can basically tell what news sources posters on this board read or watch, just based upon their comments. How crazy is that? You can actually listen to someone talk about "news," and know their political leanings. That might sound sane, but only because we've accepted the political spin of "news." It's not news though, it's politics.

It's no wonder that the same thing that we've let take over politics, has also taken over our 1 real check on it, the free press.... Money.

Most cops are good cops, that's the rationality we all need to have. And you don't need to back everyone in blue, because cops are just people. There are going to be some really bad ones, no matter how much training they get. That's the rationality we all need to have. Instead, we pick a side, a tribe. We devolve into tribalism, much the same way that we always have.

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It has much more to do with the fact that like 99.2% of those who flee either have warrants for their arrest or are engaging in criminal activity.

Bad guys don't like cops.

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Because there exists the societal narrative that the police cannot be trusted. We are bombarded with stories about police abusing their power, brutalizing innocent civilians, murdering them, treating their fellow Americans as if the police are the ruling class, and civilians supposed to bow down and worship them anytime they show up, for any reason. Sometimes including sleeping in your own bed gets you killed.

There is a measure of rationality that is lost in all of this, as we continue to be flooded with cherry picked news. You can basically tell what news sources posters on this board read or watch, just based upon their comments. How crazy is that? You can actually listen to someone talk about "news," and know their political leanings. That might sound sane, but only because we've accepted the political spin of "news." It's not news though, it's politics.

It's no wonder that the same thing that we've let take over politics, has also taken over our 1 real check on it, the free press.... Money.

Most cops are good cops, that's the rationality we all need to have. And you don't need to back everyone in blue, because cops are just people. There are going to be some really bad ones, no matter how much training they get. That's the rationality we all need to have. Instead, we pick a side, a tribe. We devolve into tribalism, much the same way that we always have.

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If there is a narrative that the police can't be trusted due to their behavior, then what should the narrative be about black males when the number of them killed by other blacks vastly outnumber blacks being killed by police? Or their disproportionately high violent crime rate? And this isn't cherry-picked news were talking about here, these are plain facts.

It goes both ways, and that is the central problem behind the dynamic. Except only one side is being blamed as the problem. The other side is almost completely dismissed.

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This is the thing we don't want to talk about, for fear of being labeled racist. There are a number of societal and economic reasons for it, but the statistics show that as a racial group, African Americans commit a disproportionate amount of crime, much of it violent.

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So you're saying that people only flee, or run, when they have something to hide?

THAT is what you're going with?

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When approx. 99% of those who flee were either engaged in criminal activity or had warrants for their arrest, that's actually not too far from accurate.