Another misnomer. Cops are charged. Chauvin is not an outlier. And, when they are not charged, who is to blame? Most cop killings of African Americans, as limited as they are, happen in cities, with far left courts, grand juries, and prosecutors. So, even if your claim was true, who is the bogeyman letting murdering cops skate?quash said:I see this point made time and again on this board, whataboutism involving killings of other sorts.Canada2017 said:95% of the posters here wanted prison time for this rogue cop.J.B.Katz said:Buddha Bear said:
Now that the perpetrator has been found guilty it will be interesting to see how the other 2 officers trials play out.
I don't necessarily believe the other 2 officers are guilty of anything, given it was their first week on the job. Will need to watch the trial to better understand. One of the officers even questioned Chauvin's actions, and Chauvin shut him down.
Kind of difficult for a cop to go against his superior officers instructions when it's their first week on the job. We'll really see if our system works as well as some thinks it does in the coming months.
A year and I still can't fathom what was going on in the man's head while he snuffed the life out of another man with his body. That's some sickass power trip. Since he pled the 5th we'll never know.
However jinxy if would be nice if you showed this same kind of outrage when cops are killed, children slaughtered by gangbangers , or an elderly white couple is murdered in a cemetery by a black guy.
But you won't of course...you can't.
As you are a full on racist.
There is no analogous whataboutism in your examples. What Chauvin's conviction represents is different because it is the outlier: a cop convicted of killing a citizen.
When non-LEOs kill somebody we expect the same justice: an arrest and a trial. But when it involves LEOs we often do not get an arrest or trial. That's the difference, and that's why *****ing about one and not the other is not hypocrisy or racism.
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Chauvin. The cop in the Botham Jean shooting. Sure, it happens.sombear said:Another misnomer. Cops are charged. Chauvin is not an outlier. And, when they are not charged, who is to blame? Most cop killings of African Americans, as limited as they are, happen in cities, with far left courts, grand juries, and prosecutors. So, even if your claim was true, who is the bogeyman letting murdering cops skate?quash said:I see this point made time and again on this board, whataboutism involving killings of other sorts.Canada2017 said:95% of the posters here wanted prison time for this rogue cop.J.B.Katz said:Buddha Bear said:
Now that the perpetrator has been found guilty it will be interesting to see how the other 2 officers trials play out.
I don't necessarily believe the other 2 officers are guilty of anything, given it was their first week on the job. Will need to watch the trial to better understand. One of the officers even questioned Chauvin's actions, and Chauvin shut him down.
Kind of difficult for a cop to go against his superior officers instructions when it's their first week on the job. We'll really see if our system works as well as some thinks it does in the coming months.
A year and I still can't fathom what was going on in the man's head while he snuffed the life out of another man with his body. That's some sickass power trip. Since he pled the 5th we'll never know.
However jinxy if would be nice if you showed this same kind of outrage when cops are killed, children slaughtered by gangbangers , or an elderly white couple is murdered in a cemetery by a black guy.
But you won't of course...you can't.
As you are a full on racist.
There is no analogous whataboutism in your examples. What Chauvin's conviction represents is different because it is the outlier: a cop convicted of killing a citizen.
When non-LEOs kill somebody we expect the same justice: an arrest and a trial. But when it involves LEOs we often do not get an arrest or trial. That's the difference, and that's why *****ing about one and not the other is not hypocrisy or racism.
The point is that cops are charged less often than known shooters in cases not involving a LEO shooter.
“Life, liberty, and property do not exist because men have made laws. On the contrary, it was the fact that life, liberty, and property existed beforehand that caused men to make laws in the first place.” (The Law, p.6) Frederic Bastiat
So, the question still remains.....
.....was George Floyd killed because of his race?
Isn't that the narrative upon which the entire movement is based??
Does anyone know?
.....was George Floyd killed because of his race?
Isn't that the narrative upon which the entire movement is based??
Does anyone know?
BusyTarpDuster2017 said:
So, the question still remains.....
.....was George Floyd killed because of his race?
Isn't that the narrative upon which the entire movement is based??
Does anyone know?
The narrative behind the movement is that law enforcement officers often treat Black suspects and offenders differently than they do their white counterparts, and both the statistical and anecdotal evidence would seem to back that up. Black people, even those with nonviolent offenses, are often assumed to be and treated as threats, which adds unnecessary tension to these interactions. And people -- both cops and suspects -- do stupid, irrational things when they're scared.
But that's also what makes the Chauvin case so unique. He wasn't scared or making a split-second decision. He was just being a piece of **** bully. So did he kill Floyd because he was black? Who knows? But he put him in mortal danger because he felt like he could. And that situation probably doesn't get to that point if Floyd was white.
I would hope so, wouldn't you? If cops were charged at the same rate as other shooters, that would indicate a serious problem with their training.quash said:Chauvin. The cop in the Botham Jean shooting. Sure, it happens.sombear said:Another misnomer. Cops are charged. Chauvin is not an outlier. And, when they are not charged, who is to blame? Most cop killings of African Americans, as limited as they are, happen in cities, with far left courts, grand juries, and prosecutors. So, even if your claim was true, who is the bogeyman letting murdering cops skate?quash said:I see this point made time and again on this board, whataboutism involving killings of other sorts.Canada2017 said:95% of the posters here wanted prison time for this rogue cop.J.B.Katz said:Buddha Bear said:
Now that the perpetrator has been found guilty it will be interesting to see how the other 2 officers trials play out.
I don't necessarily believe the other 2 officers are guilty of anything, given it was their first week on the job. Will need to watch the trial to better understand. One of the officers even questioned Chauvin's actions, and Chauvin shut him down.
Kind of difficult for a cop to go against his superior officers instructions when it's their first week on the job. We'll really see if our system works as well as some thinks it does in the coming months.
A year and I still can't fathom what was going on in the man's head while he snuffed the life out of another man with his body. That's some sickass power trip. Since he pled the 5th we'll never know.
However jinxy if would be nice if you showed this same kind of outrage when cops are killed, children slaughtered by gangbangers , or an elderly white couple is murdered in a cemetery by a black guy.
But you won't of course...you can't.
As you are a full on racist.
There is no analogous whataboutism in your examples. What Chauvin's conviction represents is different because it is the outlier: a cop convicted of killing a citizen.
When non-LEOs kill somebody we expect the same justice: an arrest and a trial. But when it involves LEOs we often do not get an arrest or trial. That's the difference, and that's why *****ing about one and not the other is not hypocrisy or racism.
The point is that cops are charged less often than known shooters in cases not involving a LEO shooter.
Sam Lowry said:I would hope so, wouldn't you? If cops were charged at the same rate as other shooters, that would indicate a serious problem with their training.quash said:Chauvin. The cop in the Botham Jean shooting. Sure, it happens.sombear said:Another misnomer. Cops are charged. Chauvin is not an outlier. And, when they are not charged, who is to blame? Most cop killings of African Americans, as limited as they are, happen in cities, with far left courts, grand juries, and prosecutors. So, even if your claim was true, who is the bogeyman letting murdering cops skate?quash said:I see this point made time and again on this board, whataboutism involving killings of other sorts.Canada2017 said:95% of the posters here wanted prison time for this rogue cop.J.B.Katz said:Buddha Bear said:
Now that the perpetrator has been found guilty it will be interesting to see how the other 2 officers trials play out.
I don't necessarily believe the other 2 officers are guilty of anything, given it was their first week on the job. Will need to watch the trial to better understand. One of the officers even questioned Chauvin's actions, and Chauvin shut him down.
Kind of difficult for a cop to go against his superior officers instructions when it's their first week on the job. We'll really see if our system works as well as some thinks it does in the coming months.
A year and I still can't fathom what was going on in the man's head while he snuffed the life out of another man with his body. That's some sickass power trip. Since he pled the 5th we'll never know.
However jinxy if would be nice if you showed this same kind of outrage when cops are killed, children slaughtered by gangbangers , or an elderly white couple is murdered in a cemetery by a black guy.
But you won't of course...you can't.
As you are a full on racist.
There is no analogous whataboutism in your examples. What Chauvin's conviction represents is different because it is the outlier: a cop convicted of killing a citizen.
When non-LEOs kill somebody we expect the same justice: an arrest and a trial. But when it involves LEOs we often do not get an arrest or trial. That's the difference, and that's why *****ing about one and not the other is not hypocrisy or racism.
The point is that cops are charged less often than known shooters in cases not involving a LEO shooter.
The nature of many of these recorded interactions would suggest there is a serious problem with their training -- or with these departments' hiring processes.
Your answer: "So did he kill Floyd because he was black? Who knows?"bear2be2 said:BusyTarpDuster2017 said:
So, the question still remains.....
.....was George Floyd killed because of his race?
Isn't that the narrative upon which the entire movement is based??
Does anyone know?
The narrative behind the movement is that law enforcement officers often treat Black suspects and offenders differently than they do their white counterparts, and both the statistical and anecdotal evidence would seem to back that up. Black people, even those with nonviolent offenses, are often assumed to be and treated as threats, which adds unnecessary tension to these interactions. And people -- both cops and suspects -- do stupid, irrational things when they're scared.
But that's also what makes the Chauvin case so unique. He wasn't scared or making a split-second decision. He was just being a piece of **** bully. So did he kill Floyd because he was black? Who knows? But he put him in mortal danger because he felt like he could. And that situation probably doesn't get to that point if Floyd was white.
Thank you. My point exactly.
And it's a lie to say this wasn't the narrative behind Floyd's death.
sombear said:Another misnomer. Cops are charged. Chauvin is not an outlier. And, when they are not charged, who is to blame? Most cop killings of African Americans, as limited as they are, happen in cities, with far left courts, grand juries, and prosecutors. So, even if your claim was true, who is the bogeyman letting murdering cops skate?quash said:I see this point made time and again on this board, whataboutism involving killings of other sorts.Canada2017 said:95% of the posters here wanted prison time for this rogue cop.J.B.Katz said:Buddha Bear said:
Now that the perpetrator has been found guilty it will be interesting to see how the other 2 officers trials play out.
I don't necessarily believe the other 2 officers are guilty of anything, given it was their first week on the job. Will need to watch the trial to better understand. One of the officers even questioned Chauvin's actions, and Chauvin shut him down.
Kind of difficult for a cop to go against his superior officers instructions when it's their first week on the job. We'll really see if our system works as well as some thinks it does in the coming months.
A year and I still can't fathom what was going on in the man's head while he snuffed the life out of another man with his body. That's some sickass power trip. Since he pled the 5th we'll never know.
However jinxy if would be nice if you showed this same kind of outrage when cops are killed, children slaughtered by gangbangers , or an elderly white couple is murdered in a cemetery by a black guy.
But you won't of course...you can't.
As you are a full on racist.
There is no analogous whataboutism in your examples. What Chauvin's conviction represents is different because it is the outlier: a cop convicted of killing a citizen.
When non-LEOs kill somebody we expect the same justice: an arrest and a trial. But when it involves LEOs we often do not get an arrest or trial. That's the difference, and that's why *****ing about one and not the other is not hypocrisy or racism.
Other cops are the boogeyman. Been proven they falsified documents in George Floyd's death. Falsified documents in Breonna Taylor death. Countless videos of cops planting evidence on people. All of this acceptable because good cops don't call the ****ty ones out. FYI no one has been charged with falsifying documents in Floyd's death to this date
bear2be2 said:BusyTarpDuster2017 said:
So, the question still remains.....
.....was George Floyd killed because of his race?
Isn't that the narrative upon which the entire movement is based??
Does anyone know?
The narrative behind the movement is that law enforcement officers often treat Black suspects and offenders differently than they do their white counterparts, and both the statistical and anecdotal evidence would seem to back that up. Black people, even those with nonviolent offenses, are often assumed to be and treated as threats, which adds unnecessary tension to these interactions. And people -- both cops and suspects -- do stupid, irrational things when they're scared.
But that's also what makes the Chauvin case so unique. He wasn't scared or making a split-second decision. He was just being a piece of **** bully. So did he kill Floyd because he was black? Who knows? But he put him in mortal danger because he felt like he could. And that situation probably doesn't get to that point if Floyd was white.
Well said. The fact that some act like this over their head proves they dont care or simply don't want to understand
Bullquash said:I see this point made time and again on this board, whataboutism involving killings of other sorts.Canada2017 said:95% of the posters here wanted prison time for this rogue cop.J.B.Katz said:Buddha Bear said:
Now that the perpetrator has been found guilty it will be interesting to see how the other 2 officers trials play out.
I don't necessarily believe the other 2 officers are guilty of anything, given it was their first week on the job. Will need to watch the trial to better understand. One of the officers even questioned Chauvin's actions, and Chauvin shut him down.
Kind of difficult for a cop to go against his superior officers instructions when it's their first week on the job. We'll really see if our system works as well as some thinks it does in the coming months.
A year and I still can't fathom what was going on in the man's head while he snuffed the life out of another man with his body. That's some sickass power trip. Since he pled the 5th we'll never know.
However jinxy if would be nice if you showed this same kind of outrage when cops are killed, children slaughtered by gangbangers , or an elderly white couple is murdered in a cemetery by a black guy.
But you won't of course...you can't.
As you are a full on racist.
There is no analogous whataboutism in your examples. What Chauvin's conviction represents is different because it is the outlier: a cop convicted of killing a citizen.
When non-LEOs kill somebody we expect the same justice: an arrest and a trial. But when it involves LEOs we often do not get an arrest or trial. That's the difference, and that's why *****ing about one and not the other is not hypocrisy or racism.
Jinxy is an old friend of yours. She has posted all kinds of racist garbage for years and you have always tried to defend it .
It seems like like some of our resident posters aren't happy that justice was served and the pos cop is going to prison for a very long time.... or at least until he's shanked in the shower. What would make you happy?
There was also a wonderful play the night Lincoln was shot.quash said:Mothra said:What I recall was you constantly pointing out how peaceful the demonstrations were anytime someone pointed out the overwhelming amount of violence and destruction. You barely acknowledged it.quash said:Mothra said:While people like you were sure to conflate the two.quash said:I know that people like you refused to make the distinction.Mothra said:Are you truly ignorant of the narrative in the media and on the Left that has attempted to characterize last years riots as "peaceful protests?"quash said:Why would you add that? I consistently distinguish between looting and protesting, so what point are you trying to make, if any, with that remark?Mothra said:
Oh, and I forgot to add that buildings and businesses are looted and destroyed in "peaceful" protests.
Hmmm.
Bull**** and you know it. I was scrupulous all summer to make this distinction
Oh, I'm sorry, did my attempt to point out that peaceful demonstrations were actually taking place diminish the overwhelming number of posts about looting? I'm sure the few times I focused on the looting contributed almost nothing to the dialogue. Wait, monologue.
Here's a clue: I don't have to meet your standard of concern for looting when you don't even make one attempt to acknowledge the protests that were peaceful. Hypocrisy much? Geez.
The difference is the actors in that case weren't/aren't lumped in with the assassins.ATL Bear said:There was also a wonderful play the night Lincoln was shot.quash said:Mothra said:What I recall was you constantly pointing out how peaceful the demonstrations were anytime someone pointed out the overwhelming amount of violence and destruction. You barely acknowledged it.quash said:Mothra said:While people like you were sure to conflate the two.quash said:I know that people like you refused to make the distinction.Mothra said:Are you truly ignorant of the narrative in the media and on the Left that has attempted to characterize last years riots as "peaceful protests?"quash said:Why would you add that? I consistently distinguish between looting and protesting, so what point are you trying to make, if any, with that remark?Mothra said:
Oh, and I forgot to add that buildings and businesses are looted and destroyed in "peaceful" protests.
Hmmm.
Bull**** and you know it. I was scrupulous all summer to make this distinction
Oh, I'm sorry, did my attempt to point out that peaceful demonstrations were actually taking place diminish the overwhelming number of posts about looting? I'm sure the few times I focused on the looting contributed almost nothing to the dialogue. Wait, monologue.
Here's a clue: I don't have to meet your standard of concern for looting when you don't even make one attempt to acknowledge the protests that were peaceful. Hypocrisy much? Geez.
There's rarely been any effort made on this board to separate the protestors from the rioters despite the fact that, in most cases, those were two distinctly different groups.
I don't doubt this happens, but again, someone above and/or outside the police force is making these decisions on arrest and enforcement, so who is it? Liberal grand juries, liberal attorneys' general, liberal DAs, liberal judges? Answer: None of the above. Murdering cops are charged and convicted as much as any other murderers. I am truly curious though: What docs were falsified in BT and GF? I hadn't heard about this. And weren't all those cops fired? That seems to me appropriate for falsifying. Difficult to prove on the criminal end.ImwithBU said:sombear said:Another misnomer. Cops are charged. Chauvin is not an outlier. And, when they are not charged, who is to blame? Most cop killings of African Americans, as limited as they are, happen in cities, with far left courts, grand juries, and prosecutors. So, even if your claim was true, who is the bogeyman letting murdering cops skate?quash said:I see this point made time and again on this board, whataboutism involving killings of other sorts.Canada2017 said:95% of the posters here wanted prison time for this rogue cop.J.B.Katz said:Buddha Bear said:
Now that the perpetrator has been found guilty it will be interesting to see how the other 2 officers trials play out.
I don't necessarily believe the other 2 officers are guilty of anything, given it was their first week on the job. Will need to watch the trial to better understand. One of the officers even questioned Chauvin's actions, and Chauvin shut him down.
Kind of difficult for a cop to go against his superior officers instructions when it's their first week on the job. We'll really see if our system works as well as some thinks it does in the coming months.
A year and I still can't fathom what was going on in the man's head while he snuffed the life out of another man with his body. That's some sickass power trip. Since he pled the 5th we'll never know.
However jinxy if would be nice if you showed this same kind of outrage when cops are killed, children slaughtered by gangbangers , or an elderly white couple is murdered in a cemetery by a black guy.
But you won't of course...you can't.
As you are a full on racist.
There is no analogous whataboutism in your examples. What Chauvin's conviction represents is different because it is the outlier: a cop convicted of killing a citizen.
When non-LEOs kill somebody we expect the same justice: an arrest and a trial. But when it involves LEOs we often do not get an arrest or trial. That's the difference, and that's why *****ing about one and not the other is not hypocrisy or racism.
Other cops are the boogeyman. Been proven they falsified documents in George Floyd's death. Falsified documents in Breonna Taylor death. Countless videos of cops planting evidence on people. All of this acceptable because good cops don't call the ****ty ones out. FYI no one has been charged with falsifying documents in Floyd's death to this date
"I just don't understand how it got from a counterfeit $20 bill to a death. It kind of shocks me," Christensen said.
One expert witness in particular swayed her Dr. Martin Tobin, a renowned pulmonologist called by the prosecution to explain precisely how Floyd died on May 25, 2020.
Tobin testified for hours, analyzing footage of the incident obtained from officers' body cameras and bystanders in order to illustrate how Floyd struggled to draw air into his lungs and then, after several minutes, died.
"I just felt like the prosecution made a really good, strong argument. Dr. Tobin was the one that really did it for me. He explained everything. I understood it down to where he said this is the moment that he lost his life really got to me," Lisa Christensen, alternate juror, said on CBS.
$20 counterfeit bill? Lord, have mercy on us for Chauvin cruelty,
One expert witness in particular swayed her Dr. Martin Tobin, a renowned pulmonologist called by the prosecution to explain precisely how Floyd died on May 25, 2020.
Tobin testified for hours, analyzing footage of the incident obtained from officers' body cameras and bystanders in order to illustrate how Floyd struggled to draw air into his lungs and then, after several minutes, died.
"I just felt like the prosecution made a really good, strong argument. Dr. Tobin was the one that really did it for me. He explained everything. I understood it down to where he said this is the moment that he lost his life really got to me," Lisa Christensen, alternate juror, said on CBS.
$20 counterfeit bill? Lord, have mercy on us for Chauvin cruelty,
I've been clear on Chauvin, so not justifying ANYTHING. But I do want to address a common theme that counterfeiting is petty. Counterfeiting is a federal offense and major focus of law enforcement. My sister's best friend from high school was an FBI agent in Chicago who spent much of her career in the counterfeiting division. Counterfeiters are the worst of worst. Violence and killing are common in the trade. Obviously, nothing I've seen suggests Floyd had anything to do with it. But, guess how the FBI makes its biggest busts? Starting at the bottom with otherwise innocent users of counterfeit $ and tracing that way. Just wanted to add that context.Waco1947 said:
"I just don't understand how it got from a counterfeit $20 bill to a death. It kind of shocks me," Christensen said.
One expert witness in particular swayed her Dr. Martin Tobin, a renowned pulmonologist called by the prosecution to explain precisely how Floyd died on May 25, 2020.
Tobin testified for hours, analyzing footage of the incident obtained from officers' body cameras and bystanders in order to illustrate how Floyd struggled to draw air into his lungs and then, after several minutes, died.
"I just felt like the prosecution made a really good, strong argument. Dr. Tobin was the one that really did it for me. He explained everything. I understood it down to where he said this is the moment that he lost his life really got to me," Lisa Christensen, alternate juror, said on CBS.
$20 counterfeit bill? Lord, have mercy on us for Chauvin cruelty,
ImwithBU said:sombear said:Another misnomer. Cops are charged. Chauvin is not an outlier. And, when they are not charged, who is to blame? Most cop killings of African Americans, as limited as they are, happen in cities, with far left courts, grand juries, and prosecutors. So, even if your claim was true, who is the bogeyman letting murdering cops skate?quash said:I see this point made time and again on this board, whataboutism involving killings of other sorts.Canada2017 said:95% of the posters here wanted prison time for this rogue cop.J.B.Katz said:Buddha Bear said:
Now that the perpetrator has been found guilty it will be interesting to see how the other 2 officers trials play out.
I don't necessarily believe the other 2 officers are guilty of anything, given it was their first week on the job. Will need to watch the trial to better understand. One of the officers even questioned Chauvin's actions, and Chauvin shut him down.
Kind of difficult for a cop to go against his superior officers instructions when it's their first week on the job. We'll really see if our system works as well as some thinks it does in the coming months.
A year and I still can't fathom what was going on in the man's head while he snuffed the life out of another man with his body. That's some sickass power trip. Since he pled the 5th we'll never know.
However jinxy if would be nice if you showed this same kind of outrage when cops are killed, children slaughtered by gangbangers , or an elderly white couple is murdered in a cemetery by a black guy.
But you won't of course...you can't.
As you are a full on racist.
There is no analogous whataboutism in your examples. What Chauvin's conviction represents is different because it is the outlier: a cop convicted of killing a citizen.
When non-LEOs kill somebody we expect the same justice: an arrest and a trial. But when it involves LEOs we often do not get an arrest or trial. That's the difference, and that's why *****ing about one and not the other is not hypocrisy or racism.
Other cops are the boogeyman. Been proven they falsified documents in George Floyd's death. Falsified documents in Breonna Taylor death. Countless videos of cops planting evidence on people. All of this acceptable because good cops don't call the ****ty ones out. FYI no one has been charged with falsifying documents in Floyd's death to this date
I haven't seen anything about "falsifying documents"...can you share a link to that information please?
Duh. But there are things we can do to reduce that, and it goes beyond "follow the rules" and "Don't be a racist".Sam Lowry said:I would hope so, wouldn't you? If cops were charged at the same rate as other shooters, that would indicate a serious problem with their training.quash said:Chauvin. The cop in the Botham Jean shooting. Sure, it happens.sombear said:Another misnomer. Cops are charged. Chauvin is not an outlier. And, when they are not charged, who is to blame? Most cop killings of African Americans, as limited as they are, happen in cities, with far left courts, grand juries, and prosecutors. So, even if your claim was true, who is the bogeyman letting murdering cops skate?quash said:I see this point made time and again on this board, whataboutism involving killings of other sorts.Canada2017 said:95% of the posters here wanted prison time for this rogue cop.J.B.Katz said:Buddha Bear said:
Now that the perpetrator has been found guilty it will be interesting to see how the other 2 officers trials play out.
I don't necessarily believe the other 2 officers are guilty of anything, given it was their first week on the job. Will need to watch the trial to better understand. One of the officers even questioned Chauvin's actions, and Chauvin shut him down.
Kind of difficult for a cop to go against his superior officers instructions when it's their first week on the job. We'll really see if our system works as well as some thinks it does in the coming months.
A year and I still can't fathom what was going on in the man's head while he snuffed the life out of another man with his body. That's some sickass power trip. Since he pled the 5th we'll never know.
However jinxy if would be nice if you showed this same kind of outrage when cops are killed, children slaughtered by gangbangers , or an elderly white couple is murdered in a cemetery by a black guy.
But you won't of course...you can't.
As you are a full on racist.
There is no analogous whataboutism in your examples. What Chauvin's conviction represents is different because it is the outlier: a cop convicted of killing a citizen.
When non-LEOs kill somebody we expect the same justice: an arrest and a trial. But when it involves LEOs we often do not get an arrest or trial. That's the difference, and that's why *****ing about one and not the other is not hypocrisy or racism.
The point is that cops are charged less often than known shooters in cases not involving a LEO shooter.
Second, I'm talking about instances where the shooting deserves the same kind of investigation as we get when no LEO is involved.
“Life, liberty, and property do not exist because men have made laws. On the contrary, it was the fact that life, liberty, and property existed beforehand that caused men to make laws in the first place.” (The Law, p.6) Frederic Bastiat
Jinx is not an old friend of mine. It is weird how you think you know personal facts about me that you don't.Canada2017 said:Bullquash said:I see this point made time and again on this board, whataboutism involving killings of other sorts.Canada2017 said:95% of the posters here wanted prison time for this rogue cop.J.B.Katz said:Buddha Bear said:
Now that the perpetrator has been found guilty it will be interesting to see how the other 2 officers trials play out.
I don't necessarily believe the other 2 officers are guilty of anything, given it was their first week on the job. Will need to watch the trial to better understand. One of the officers even questioned Chauvin's actions, and Chauvin shut him down.
Kind of difficult for a cop to go against his superior officers instructions when it's their first week on the job. We'll really see if our system works as well as some thinks it does in the coming months.
A year and I still can't fathom what was going on in the man's head while he snuffed the life out of another man with his body. That's some sickass power trip. Since he pled the 5th we'll never know.
However jinxy if would be nice if you showed this same kind of outrage when cops are killed, children slaughtered by gangbangers , or an elderly white couple is murdered in a cemetery by a black guy.
But you won't of course...you can't.
As you are a full on racist.
There is no analogous whataboutism in your examples. What Chauvin's conviction represents is different because it is the outlier: a cop convicted of killing a citizen.
When non-LEOs kill somebody we expect the same justice: an arrest and a trial. But when it involves LEOs we often do not get an arrest or trial. That's the difference, and that's why *****ing about one and not the other is not hypocrisy or racism.
Jinxy is an old friend of yours. She has posted all kinds of racist garbage for years and you have always tried to defend it .
You may not notice I don't get involved very often in the "Nuh uh, YOU'RE a racist" game. The issue here, again, is not about race itself but that our system of accountability differs for LEOs.
“Life, liberty, and property do not exist because men have made laws. On the contrary, it was the fact that life, liberty, and property existed beforehand that caused men to make laws in the first place.” (The Law, p.6) Frederic Bastiat
Good old quash, back to virtue signaling and doing a proper impression of Caiaphas holding court.
That which does not kill me, will try again and get nastier
As there's no effort to acknowledge the integration of protesters and looters, especially these days of late.bear2be2 said:The difference is the actors in that case weren't/aren't lumped in with the assassins.ATL Bear said:There was also a wonderful play the night Lincoln was shot.quash said:Mothra said:What I recall was you constantly pointing out how peaceful the demonstrations were anytime someone pointed out the overwhelming amount of violence and destruction. You barely acknowledged it.quash said:Mothra said:While people like you were sure to conflate the two.quash said:I know that people like you refused to make the distinction.Mothra said:Are you truly ignorant of the narrative in the media and on the Left that has attempted to characterize last years riots as "peaceful protests?"quash said:Why would you add that? I consistently distinguish between looting and protesting, so what point are you trying to make, if any, with that remark?Mothra said:
Oh, and I forgot to add that buildings and businesses are looted and destroyed in "peaceful" protests.
Hmmm.
Bull**** and you know it. I was scrupulous all summer to make this distinction
Oh, I'm sorry, did my attempt to point out that peaceful demonstrations were actually taking place diminish the overwhelming number of posts about looting? I'm sure the few times I focused on the looting contributed almost nothing to the dialogue. Wait, monologue.
Here's a clue: I don't have to meet your standard of concern for looting when you don't even make one attempt to acknowledge the protests that were peaceful. Hypocrisy much? Geez.
There's rarely been any effort made on this board to separate the protestors from the rioters despite the fact that, in most cases, those were two distinctly different groups.
Or segregate them.ATL Bear said:As there's no effort to acknowledge the integration of protesters and looters, especially these days of late.bear2be2 said:The difference is the actors in that case weren't/aren't lumped in with the assassins.ATL Bear said:There was also a wonderful play the night Lincoln was shot.quash said:Mothra said:What I recall was you constantly pointing out how peaceful the demonstrations were anytime someone pointed out the overwhelming amount of violence and destruction. You barely acknowledged it.quash said:Mothra said:While people like you were sure to conflate the two.quash said:I know that people like you refused to make the distinction.Mothra said:Are you truly ignorant of the narrative in the media and on the Left that has attempted to characterize last years riots as "peaceful protests?"quash said:Why would you add that? I consistently distinguish between looting and protesting, so what point are you trying to make, if any, with that remark?Mothra said:
Oh, and I forgot to add that buildings and businesses are looted and destroyed in "peaceful" protests.
Hmmm.
Bull**** and you know it. I was scrupulous all summer to make this distinction
Oh, I'm sorry, did my attempt to point out that peaceful demonstrations were actually taking place diminish the overwhelming number of posts about looting? I'm sure the few times I focused on the looting contributed almost nothing to the dialogue. Wait, monologue.
Here's a clue: I don't have to meet your standard of concern for looting when you don't even make one attempt to acknowledge the protests that were peaceful. Hypocrisy much? Geez.
There's rarely been any effort made on this board to separate the protestors from the rioters despite the fact that, in most cases, those were two distinctly different groups.
I only read a handful of reporting on Jan 6 but most of the pieces noted that the rally had X thousand and the Capitol building had X hundred. That counts as an effort to distinguish protesters to me.
“Life, liberty, and property do not exist because men have made laws. On the contrary, it was the fact that life, liberty, and property existed beforehand that caused men to make laws in the first place.” (The Law, p.6) Frederic Bastiat
One thing that was very badly handled, was media coverage of the summer ... events ... in various Northwest and Rust Belt cities.quash said:Or segregate them.ATL Bear said:As there's no effort to acknowledge the integration of protesters and looters, especially these days of late.bear2be2 said:The difference is the actors in that case weren't/aren't lumped in with the assassins.ATL Bear said:There was also a wonderful play the night Lincoln was shot.quash said:Mothra said:What I recall was you constantly pointing out how peaceful the demonstrations were anytime someone pointed out the overwhelming amount of violence and destruction. You barely acknowledged it.quash said:Mothra said:While people like you were sure to conflate the two.quash said:I know that people like you refused to make the distinction.Mothra said:Are you truly ignorant of the narrative in the media and on the Left that has attempted to characterize last years riots as "peaceful protests?"quash said:Why would you add that? I consistently distinguish between looting and protesting, so what point are you trying to make, if any, with that remark?Mothra said:
Oh, and I forgot to add that buildings and businesses are looted and destroyed in "peaceful" protests.
Hmmm.
Bull**** and you know it. I was scrupulous all summer to make this distinction
Oh, I'm sorry, did my attempt to point out that peaceful demonstrations were actually taking place diminish the overwhelming number of posts about looting? I'm sure the few times I focused on the looting contributed almost nothing to the dialogue. Wait, monologue.
Here's a clue: I don't have to meet your standard of concern for looting when you don't even make one attempt to acknowledge the protests that were peaceful. Hypocrisy much? Geez.
There's rarely been any effort made on this board to separate the protestors from the rioters despite the fact that, in most cases, those were two distinctly different groups.
I only read a handful of reporting on Jan 6 but most of the pieces noted that the rally had X thousand and the Capitol building had X hundred. That counts as an effort to distinguish protesters to me.
There is this iconic image from last summer:
which gained a lot of well-deserved scorn for its obvious hypocrisy,
but it should be recognized that CNN and major media really made no effort to address the riots. This was really stupid because people knew the riots were happening, so naturally some folks conflated 'protests' into 'riots'.
Others believed there was a difference, but we never saw any of the networks show us, for example, x number of rioters over here versus y number of protesters over there.
I leave it to the reader to decide if that was intentional, but it was piss-poor journalism.
That which does not kill me, will try again and get nastier
ImwithBU said:sombear said:Another misnomer. Cops are charged. Chauvin is not an outlier. And, when they are not charged, who is to blame? Most cop killings of African Americans, as limited as they are, happen in cities, with far left courts, grand juries, and prosecutors. So, even if your claim was true, who is the bogeyman letting murdering cops skate?quash said:I see this point made time and again on this board, whataboutism involving killings of other sorts.Canada2017 said:95% of the posters here wanted prison time for this rogue cop.J.B.Katz said:Buddha Bear said:
Now that the perpetrator has been found guilty it will be interesting to see how the other 2 officers trials play out.
I don't necessarily believe the other 2 officers are guilty of anything, given it was their first week on the job. Will need to watch the trial to better understand. One of the officers even questioned Chauvin's actions, and Chauvin shut him down.
Kind of difficult for a cop to go against his superior officers instructions when it's their first week on the job. We'll really see if our system works as well as some thinks it does in the coming months.
A year and I still can't fathom what was going on in the man's head while he snuffed the life out of another man with his body. That's some sickass power trip. Since he pled the 5th we'll never know.
However jinxy if would be nice if you showed this same kind of outrage when cops are killed, children slaughtered by gangbangers , or an elderly white couple is murdered in a cemetery by a black guy.
But you won't of course...you can't.
As you are a full on racist.
There is no analogous whataboutism in your examples. What Chauvin's conviction represents is different because it is the outlier: a cop convicted of killing a citizen.
When non-LEOs kill somebody we expect the same justice: an arrest and a trial. But when it involves LEOs we often do not get an arrest or trial. That's the difference, and that's why *****ing about one and not the other is not hypocrisy or racism.
Other cops are the boogeyman. Been proven they falsified documents in George Floyd's death. Falsified documents in Breonna Taylor death. Countless videos of cops planting evidence on people. All of this acceptable because good cops don't call the ****ty ones out. FYI no one has been charged with falsifying documents in Floyd's death to this date
Can you post some of these videos of cops planting evidence on people? That would be very interesting to see
Don't post the chris rock he got weed video
Baylor3216 said:ImwithBU said:sombear said:Another misnomer. Cops are charged. Chauvin is not an outlier. And, when they are not charged, who is to blame? Most cop killings of African Americans, as limited as they are, happen in cities, with far left courts, grand juries, and prosecutors. So, even if your claim was true, who is the bogeyman letting murdering cops skate?quash said:I see this point made time and again on this board, whataboutism involving killings of other sorts.Canada2017 said:95% of the posters here wanted prison time for this rogue cop.J.B.Katz said:Buddha Bear said:
Now that the perpetrator has been found guilty it will be interesting to see how the other 2 officers trials play out.
I don't necessarily believe the other 2 officers are guilty of anything, given it was their first week on the job. Will need to watch the trial to better understand. One of the officers even questioned Chauvin's actions, and Chauvin shut him down.
Kind of difficult for a cop to go against his superior officers instructions when it's their first week on the job. We'll really see if our system works as well as some thinks it does in the coming months.
A year and I still can't fathom what was going on in the man's head while he snuffed the life out of another man with his body. That's some sickass power trip. Since he pled the 5th we'll never know.
However jinxy if would be nice if you showed this same kind of outrage when cops are killed, children slaughtered by gangbangers , or an elderly white couple is murdered in a cemetery by a black guy.
But you won't of course...you can't.
As you are a full on racist.
There is no analogous whataboutism in your examples. What Chauvin's conviction represents is different because it is the outlier: a cop convicted of killing a citizen.
When non-LEOs kill somebody we expect the same justice: an arrest and a trial. But when it involves LEOs we often do not get an arrest or trial. That's the difference, and that's why *****ing about one and not the other is not hypocrisy or racism.
Other cops are the boogeyman. Been proven they falsified documents in George Floyd's death. Falsified documents in Breonna Taylor death. Countless videos of cops planting evidence on people. All of this acceptable because good cops don't call the ****ty ones out. FYI no one has been charged with falsifying documents in Floyd's death to this date
Can you post some of these videos of cops planting evidence on people? That would be very interesting to see
Don't post the chris rock he got weed video
I'm still waiting on all those "falsified documents" as well.
SIC EM 94 said:Baylor3216 said:ImwithBU said:sombear said:Another misnomer. Cops are charged. Chauvin is not an outlier. And, when they are not charged, who is to blame? Most cop killings of African Americans, as limited as they are, happen in cities, with far left courts, grand juries, and prosecutors. So, even if your claim was true, who is the bogeyman letting murdering cops skate?quash said:I see this point made time and again on this board, whataboutism involving killings of other sorts.Canada2017 said:95% of the posters here wanted prison time for this rogue cop.J.B.Katz said:Buddha Bear said:
Now that the perpetrator has been found guilty it will be interesting to see how the other 2 officers trials play out.
I don't necessarily believe the other 2 officers are guilty of anything, given it was their first week on the job. Will need to watch the trial to better understand. One of the officers even questioned Chauvin's actions, and Chauvin shut him down.
Kind of difficult for a cop to go against his superior officers instructions when it's their first week on the job. We'll really see if our system works as well as some thinks it does in the coming months.
A year and I still can't fathom what was going on in the man's head while he snuffed the life out of another man with his body. That's some sickass power trip. Since he pled the 5th we'll never know.
However jinxy if would be nice if you showed this same kind of outrage when cops are killed, children slaughtered by gangbangers , or an elderly white couple is murdered in a cemetery by a black guy.
But you won't of course...you can't.
As you are a full on racist.
There is no analogous whataboutism in your examples. What Chauvin's conviction represents is different because it is the outlier: a cop convicted of killing a citizen.
When non-LEOs kill somebody we expect the same justice: an arrest and a trial. But when it involves LEOs we often do not get an arrest or trial. That's the difference, and that's why *****ing about one and not the other is not hypocrisy or racism.
Other cops are the boogeyman. Been proven they falsified documents in George Floyd's death. Falsified documents in Breonna Taylor death. Countless videos of cops planting evidence on people. All of this acceptable because good cops don't call the ****ty ones out. FYI no one has been charged with falsifying documents in Floyd's death to this date
Can you post some of these videos of cops planting evidence on people? That would be very interesting to see
Don't post the chris rock he got weed video
I'm still waiting on all those "falsified documents" as well.
The most shocking thing to come out of the trial was to finally learn who "mama" was.
Our media has truly failed all Americans.
Who was "mama"?
SIC EM 94 said:
Who was "mama"?
It's irrelevant but was interesting his on again off again girlfriend, in his cell phone as "mama", testified that that's what he called her.
She also said she believed he was calling his mama
Baylor3216 said:SIC EM 94 said:
Who was "mama"?
It's irrelevant but was interesting his on again off again girlfriend, in his cell phone as "mama", testified that that's what he called her.
She also said she believed he was calling his mama
I was just curious...agree it's irrelevant.
SIC EM 94 said:Baylor3216 said:SIC EM 94 said:
Who was "mama"?
It's irrelevant but was interesting his on again off again girlfriend, in his cell phone as "mama", testified that that's what he called her.
She also said she believed he was calling his mama
I was just curious...agree it's irrelevant.
Understood. I found it curious as you'd never hear it from our propagandists at cnn etc
Give it a rest. Everyone here said the cop belongs in jail. There was a trial and guess what... the cop is in jail. Justice has been served, unless of course that's not enough for youWaco1947 said:
"I just don't understand how it got from a counterfeit $20 bill to a death. It kind of shocks me," Christensen said.
One expert witness in particular swayed her Dr. Martin Tobin, a renowned pulmonologist called by the prosecution to explain precisely how Floyd died on May 25, 2020.
Tobin testified for hours, analyzing footage of the incident obtained from officers' body cameras and bystanders in order to illustrate how Floyd struggled to draw air into his lungs and then, after several minutes, died.
"I just felt like the prosecution made a really good, strong argument. Dr. Tobin was the one that really did it for me. He explained everything. I understood it down to where he said this is the moment that he lost his life really got to me," Lisa Christensen, alternate juror, said on CBS.
$20 counterfeit bill? Lord, have mercy on us for Chauvin cruelty,
You are most definitely 'associates'.quash said:Jinx is not an old friend of mine. It is weird how you think you know personal facts about me that you don't.Canada2017 said:Bullquash said:I see this point made time and again on this board, whataboutism involving killings of other sorts.Canada2017 said:95% of the posters here wanted prison time for this rogue cop.J.B.Katz said:Buddha Bear said:
Now that the perpetrator has been found guilty it will be interesting to see how the other 2 officers trials play out.
I don't necessarily believe the other 2 officers are guilty of anything, given it was their first week on the job. Will need to watch the trial to better understand. One of the officers even questioned Chauvin's actions, and Chauvin shut him down.
Kind of difficult for a cop to go against his superior officers instructions when it's their first week on the job. We'll really see if our system works as well as some thinks it does in the coming months.
A year and I still can't fathom what was going on in the man's head while he snuffed the life out of another man with his body. That's some sickass power trip. Since he pled the 5th we'll never know.
However jinxy if would be nice if you showed this same kind of outrage when cops are killed, children slaughtered by gangbangers , or an elderly white couple is murdered in a cemetery by a black guy.
But you won't of course...you can't.
As you are a full on racist.
There is no analogous whataboutism in your examples. What Chauvin's conviction represents is different because it is the outlier: a cop convicted of killing a citizen.
When non-LEOs kill somebody we expect the same justice: an arrest and a trial. But when it involves LEOs we often do not get an arrest or trial. That's the difference, and that's why *****ing about one and not the other is not hypocrisy or racism.
Jinxy is an old friend of yours. She has posted all kinds of racist garbage for years and you have always tried to defend it .
You may not notice I don't get involved very often in the "Nuh uh, YOU'RE a racist" game. The issue here, again, is not about race itself but that our system of accountability differs for LEOs.
Baylor3216 said:SIC EM 94 said:
Who was "mama"?
It's irrelevant but was interesting his on again off again girlfriend, in his cell phone as "mama", testified that that's what he called her.
She also said she believed he was calling his mama
What is shocking about that? (I didn't watch the trial.)
“Life, liberty, and property do not exist because men have made laws. On the contrary, it was the fact that life, liberty, and property existed beforehand that caused men to make laws in the first place.” (The Law, p.6) Frederic Bastiat
Canada2017 said:You are most definitely 'associates'.quash said:Jinx is not an old friend of mine. It is weird how you think you know personal facts about me that you don't.Canada2017 said:Bullquash said:I see this point made time and again on this board, whataboutism involving killings of other sorts.Canada2017 said:95% of the posters here wanted prison time for this rogue cop.J.B.Katz said:Buddha Bear said:
Now that the perpetrator has been found guilty it will be interesting to see how the other 2 officers trials play out.
I don't necessarily believe the other 2 officers are guilty of anything, given it was their first week on the job. Will need to watch the trial to better understand. One of the officers even questioned Chauvin's actions, and Chauvin shut him down.
Kind of difficult for a cop to go against his superior officers instructions when it's their first week on the job. We'll really see if our system works as well as some thinks it does in the coming months.
A year and I still can't fathom what was going on in the man's head while he snuffed the life out of another man with his body. That's some sickass power trip. Since he pled the 5th we'll never know.
However jinxy if would be nice if you showed this same kind of outrage when cops are killed, children slaughtered by gangbangers , or an elderly white couple is murdered in a cemetery by a black guy.
But you won't of course...you can't.
As you are a full on racist.
There is no analogous whataboutism in your examples. What Chauvin's conviction represents is different because it is the outlier: a cop convicted of killing a citizen.
When non-LEOs kill somebody we expect the same justice: an arrest and a trial. But when it involves LEOs we often do not get an arrest or trial. That's the difference, and that's why *****ing about one and not the other is not hypocrisy or racism.
Jinxy is an old friend of yours. She has posted all kinds of racist garbage for years and you have always tried to defend it .
You may not notice I don't get involved very often in the "Nuh uh, YOU'RE a racist" game. The issue here, again, is not about race itself but that our system of accountability differs for LEOs.
You sound so certain, anonymous internet stranger. Tell me more about my association with Jinx.
“Life, liberty, and property do not exist because men have made laws. On the contrary, it was the fact that life, liberty, and property existed beforehand that caused men to make laws in the first place.” (The Law, p.6) Frederic Bastiat
I am certain, internet goofus.quash said:Canada2017 said:You are most definitely 'associates'.quash said:Jinx is not an old friend of mine. It is weird how you think you know personal facts about me that you don't.Canada2017 said:Bullquash said:I see this point made time and again on this board, whataboutism involving killings of other sorts.Canada2017 said:95% of the posters here wanted prison time for this rogue cop.J.B.Katz said:Buddha Bear said:
Now that the perpetrator has been found guilty it will be interesting to see how the other 2 officers trials play out.
I don't necessarily believe the other 2 officers are guilty of anything, given it was their first week on the job. Will need to watch the trial to better understand. One of the officers even questioned Chauvin's actions, and Chauvin shut him down.
Kind of difficult for a cop to go against his superior officers instructions when it's their first week on the job. We'll really see if our system works as well as some thinks it does in the coming months.
A year and I still can't fathom what was going on in the man's head while he snuffed the life out of another man with his body. That's some sickass power trip. Since he pled the 5th we'll never know.
However jinxy if would be nice if you showed this same kind of outrage when cops are killed, children slaughtered by gangbangers , or an elderly white couple is murdered in a cemetery by a black guy.
But you won't of course...you can't.
As you are a full on racist.
There is no analogous whataboutism in your examples. What Chauvin's conviction represents is different because it is the outlier: a cop convicted of killing a citizen.
When non-LEOs kill somebody we expect the same justice: an arrest and a trial. But when it involves LEOs we often do not get an arrest or trial. That's the difference, and that's why *****ing about one and not the other is not hypocrisy or racism.
Jinxy is an old friend of yours. She has posted all kinds of racist garbage for years and you have always tried to defend it .
You may not notice I don't get involved very often in the "Nuh uh, YOU'RE a racist" game. The issue here, again, is not about race itself but that our system of accountability differs for LEOs.
You sound so certain, anonymous internet stranger. Tell me more about my association with Jinx.