I've been putting off getting a LTC forever. Just too much trouble and a bit of an expense. Not sure how often I'd actually carry anyway. That said, the older I get (66 now) and the more my physical abilities deteriorate, I find myself wishing I was carrying from time to time. I've always been a bigger guy - 6'3" x 250ish - and generally have believed I was likely to be unmolested thanks in part to size. Now I'm just old, slow, and out of shape. Thinking I might some day need an equalizer. Would like to see this pass. Already have a couple of carry candidates in the arsenal.Bexar Pitts said:
https://texasscorecard.com/state/constitutional-carry-gets-approval-in-texas-senate/
From the article, the Senate tagged 8 amendments on the House version, a few of which may be problematic for House to let through. Abbott says he'll sign it, so if the Legislature can agree, this could get signed and into law Sept 1st. Only a couple of dozen days left in this session, however..curtpenn said:I've been putting off getting a LTC forever. Just too much trouble and a bit of an expense. Not sure how often I'd actually carry anyway. That said, the older I get (66 now) and the more my physical abilities deteriorate, I find myself wishing I was carrying from time to time. I've always been a bigger guy - 6'3" x 250ish - and generally have believed I was likely to be unmolested thanks in part to size. Now I'm just old, slow, and out of shape. Thinking I might some day need an equalizer. Would like to see this pass. Already have a couple of carry candidates in the arsenal.Bexar Pitts said:
https://texasscorecard.com/state/constitutional-carry-gets-approval-in-texas-senate/
Although the Bill is still somewhat in the last stages of the "sausage making" portion, it might make it to the Governor's desk in the next couple of weeks. There really hasn't been much publicity of the Bill until recently, and I'm sure there are very strong feelings on both sides. It will be interesting to see what the final Bill looks like, and what both supporters and opponents will do to promote their positions.Guy Noir said:
I disagree with this bill. I would be fine for most people but there are enough ding-dongs out there that are/would be dangerous to have possession of a gun without some training.
Those two things are not even close in difficulty.Booray said:
How do you square the idea that "getting a LTC is just too time consuming to bother with so lets not worry about it" with "if you want to vote you should make time to get the proper ID and get registered?"
Booray said:
How do you square the idea that "getting a LTC is just too time consuming to bother with so lets not worry about it" with "if you want to vote you should make time to get the proper ID and get registered?"
Friscobear said:Those two things are not even close in difficulty.Booray said:
How do you square the idea that "getting a LTC is just too time consuming to bother with so lets not worry about it" with "if you want to vote you should make time to get the proper ID and get registered?"
If something is important to you, you'll find the time to do it.
Carlos Cruz said:Booray said:
How do you square the idea that "getting a LTC is just too time consuming to bother with so lets not worry about it" with "if you want to vote you should make time to get the proper ID and get registered?"
I prepared several days to get my ltc. How many days did you prepare to register to vote?
Booray said:
How do you square the idea that "getting a LTC is just too time consuming to bother with so lets not worry about it" with "if you want to vote you should make time to get the proper ID and get registered?"
GrowlTowel said:Booray said:
How do you square the idea that "getting a LTC is just too time consuming to bother with so lets not worry about it" with "if you want to vote you should make time to get the proper ID and get registered?"
Wait. You want people to take classes on how to vote?
Booray said:
How do you square the idea that "getting a LTC is just too time consuming to bother with so lets not worry about it" with "if you want to vote you should make time to get the proper ID and get registered?"
90sBear said:
I have my LTC although I rarely carry.
I would have to see the bill to make a more informed opinion on the matter, but my gut reaction is that I am not a fan.
Although I did not find the shooting test portion of the course to be that challenging even though I was raised more hunting than pistol shooting, it does show the person who has never been around firearms what it is like. Mostly what I appreciated about the course was learning the law - that you are responsible for whatever happens to that bullet once it leaves your gun, etc. and the discussions on situations and how to respond.
I think it's better to have fewer but educated and trained people carrying rather than just a higher volume of people carrying who may have never even pulled a trigger.
Booray said:Carlos Cruz said:Booray said:
How do you square the idea that "getting a LTC is just too time consuming to bother with so lets not worry about it" with "if you want to vote you should make time to get the proper ID and get registered?"
I prepared several days to get my ltc. How many days did you prepare to register to vote?
If the law passes you would spend zero time preparing. Why is it ok to have no burden on the right to bear arms and have greater burdens on the right to vote?
Booray said:Carlos Cruz said:Booray said:
How do you square the idea that "getting a LTC is just too time consuming to bother with so lets not worry about it" with "if you want to vote you should make time to get the proper ID and get registered?"
I prepared several days to get my ltc. How many days did you prepare to register to vote?
If the law passes you would spend zero time preparing. Why is it ok to have no burden on the right to bear arms and have greater burdens on the right to vote?
Not the same is correct. The act of voting does not carry risk of death with it.Iron Claw said:Booray said:
How do you square the idea that "getting a LTC is just too time consuming to bother with so lets not worry about it" with "if you want to vote you should make time to get the proper ID and get registered?"
Not the same. You already have to provide ID and go through a background check to purchase the gun. That's more stringent than showing an ID to vote.
OK has constitutional carry already and I haven't noticed any difference in its prevalence. Was a big deal when it was being passed but haven't heard a word about it since.
quash said:
Start here: Article 1, 23 of the Texas Constitution states: "Every citizen shall have the right to keep and bear arms in the lawful defense of himself or the State; but the Legislature shall have power, by law, to regulate the wearing of arms, with a view to prevent crime."
Now go to HB 1927.
Somebody find me the section that makes it easier to obtain a gun.
This is about how you carry AFTER you obtain a handgun.
I have no problem with that. Last time I checked, you need a state issued ID to purchase a firearm. Same standard should apply to votingBooray said:Friscobear said:Those two things are not even close in difficulty.Booray said:
How do you square the idea that "getting a LTC is just too time consuming to bother with so lets not worry about it" with "if you want to vote you should make time to get the proper ID and get registered?"
If something is important to you, you'll find the time to do it.
The point of the legislation is to make it do one has to spend zero dollars and spend zero time to qualify to carry. Let's apply the same standard to voting.
And I have no problem with that. As long as we make those state issued IDs easy to obtain. Which we don't do.Rawhide said:I have no problem with that. Last time I checked, you need a state issued ID to purchase a firearm. Same standard should apply to votingBooray said:Friscobear said:Those two things are not even close in difficulty.Booray said:
How do you square the idea that "getting a LTC is just too time consuming to bother with so lets not worry about it" with "if you want to vote you should make time to get the proper ID and get registered?"
If something is important to you, you'll find the time to do it.
The point of the legislation is to make it do one has to spend zero dollars and spend zero time to qualify to carry. Let's apply the same standard to voting.
Definitely shouldn't be harder to vote than to get and carry a gun.Booray said:
How do you square the idea that "getting a LTC is just too time consuming to bother with so lets not worry about it" with "if you want to vote you should make time to get the proper ID and get registered?"
It is not. I was not able to take a course, test, or qualify by absentee.J.B.Katz said:Definitely shouldn't be harder to vote than to get and carry a gun.Booray said:
How do you square the idea that "getting a LTC is just too time consuming to bother with so lets not worry about it" with "if you want to vote you should make time to get the proper ID and get registered?"
Very easy to obtain, actually.Booray said:And I have no problem with that. As long as we make those state issued IDs easy to obtain. Which we don't do.Rawhide said:I have no problem with that. Last time I checked, you need a state issued ID to purchase a firearm. Same standard should apply to votingBooray said:Friscobear said:Those two things are not even close in difficulty.Booray said:
How do you square the idea that "getting a LTC is just too time consuming to bother with so lets not worry about it" with "if you want to vote you should make time to get the proper ID and get registered?"
If something is important to you, you'll find the time to do it.
The point of the legislation is to make it do one has to spend zero dollars and spend zero time to qualify to carry. Let's apply the same standard to voting.
What's so hard about it?Booray said:And I have no problem with that. As long as we make those state issued IDs easy to obtain. Which we don't do.Rawhide said:I have no problem with that. Last time I checked, you need a state issued ID to purchase a firearm. Same standard should apply to votingBooray said:Friscobear said:Those two things are not even close in difficulty.Booray said:
How do you square the idea that "getting a LTC is just too time consuming to bother with so lets not worry about it" with "if you want to vote you should make time to get the proper ID and get registered?"
If something is important to you, you'll find the time to do it.
The point of the legislation is to make it do one has to spend zero dollars and spend zero time to qualify to carry. Let's apply the same standard to voting.
No kidding. Here are the steps to procure a Texas State ID:Oldbear83 said:Very easy to obtain, actually.Booray said:And I have no problem with that. As long as we make those state issued IDs easy to obtain. Which we don't do.Rawhide said:I have no problem with that. Last time I checked, you need a state issued ID to purchase a firearm. Same standard should apply to votingBooray said:Friscobear said:Those two things are not even close in difficulty.Booray said:
How do you square the idea that "getting a LTC is just too time consuming to bother with so lets not worry about it" with "if you want to vote you should make time to get the proper ID and get registered?"
If something is important to you, you'll find the time to do it.
The point of the legislation is to make it do one has to spend zero dollars and spend zero time to qualify to carry. Let's apply the same standard to voting.
Rawhide said:No kidding. Here are the steps to procure a Texas State ID:Oldbear83 said:Very easy to obtain, actually.Booray said:And I have no problem with that. As long as we make those state issued IDs easy to obtain. Which we don't do.Rawhide said:I have no problem with that. Last time I checked, you need a state issued ID to purchase a firearm. Same standard should apply to votingBooray said:Friscobear said:Those two things are not even close in difficulty.Booray said:
How do you square the idea that "getting a LTC is just too time consuming to bother with so lets not worry about it" with "if you want to vote you should make time to get the proper ID and get registered?"
If something is important to you, you'll find the time to do it.
The point of the legislation is to make it do one has to spend zero dollars and spend zero time to qualify to carry. Let's apply the same standard to voting.
[ol]Complete the identification card application Make an appointment at a driver license office. Provide the following documentation to the license and permit specialist:
[ol]Application U.S. Citizenship or, if you are not a U.S. Citizen, evidence of lawful presence Texas Residency Identity, and Social Security Number [/ol]Provide your thumbprints. Have your picture taken. Pay the application [/ol]
Booray thinks that's difficult?
Maybe if people could just purchase an ID from amazon.com and have it delivered to them in 2 days, that would make him happy.
I have no problems with open Saturdays and extra locations. You libs want to stop the wall, open the border and allow illegal aliens to waltz right so they can vote for democrats candidates. It's all about getting more votes (even illegitimate) with no concern for the integrity of our elections.Booray said:Rawhide said:No kidding. Here are the steps to procure a Texas State ID:Oldbear83 said:Very easy to obtain, actually.Booray said:And I have no problem with that. As long as we make those state issued IDs easy to obtain. Which we don't do.Rawhide said:I have no problem with that. Last time I checked, you need a state issued ID to purchase a firearm. Same standard should apply to votingBooray said:Friscobear said:Those two things are not even close in difficulty.Booray said:
How do you square the idea that "getting a LTC is just too time consuming to bother with so lets not worry about it" with "if you want to vote you should make time to get the proper ID and get registered?"
If something is important to you, you'll find the time to do it.
The point of the legislation is to make it do one has to spend zero dollars and spend zero time to qualify to carry. Let's apply the same standard to voting.
[ol]Complete the identification card application Make an appointment at a driver license office. Provide the following documentation to the license and permit specialist:
[ol]Application U.S. Citizenship or, if you are not a U.S. Citizen, evidence of lawful presence Texas Residency Identity, and Social Security Number [/ol]Provide your thumbprints. Have your picture taken. Pay the application [/ol]
Booray thinks that's difficult?
Maybe if people could just purchase an ID from amazon.com and have it delivered to them in 2 days, that would make him happy.
My wife has an employee that needed to do this. First appointment at the driver's license office was 7 weeks in the future.
Have you ever tried to conduct business in person at a Texas Driver's License office? They are incredibly inefficient, open limited hours and in West Texas can be an hour or more to get to.
So on paper it looks simple. For many hourly workers without regular transportation it is a big obstacle.
The GOP knows this and is using it to make it difficult to qualify to vote. It is a disgusting tactic.
If you will open the offices on Saturday, one night a week and contract to have substations at the local Walmart in underserved counties, I have no problem with voter ID. But you won't because this has zero to do with vote fraud. It has everything to do with keeping turnout low at all costs.
the 2nd amendment gave us the right 200 plus years ago, we shouldnt need a state law to tell us we have a right we already had...Booray said:Friscobear said:Those two things are not even close in difficulty.Booray said:
How do you square the idea that "getting a LTC is just too time consuming to bother with so lets not worry about it" with "if you want to vote you should make time to get the proper ID and get registered?"
If something is important to you, you'll find the time to do it.
The point of the legislation is to make it do one has to spend zero dollars and spend zero time to qualify to carry. Let's apply the same standard to voting.
Yep, they should break out their ID that needed in order to receive their (my) gov't cheese.4th and Inches said:the 2nd amendment gave us the right 200 plus years ago, we shouldnt need a state law to tell us we have a right we already had...Booray said:Friscobear said:Those two things are not even close in difficulty.Booray said:
How do you square the idea that "getting a LTC is just too time consuming to bother with so lets not worry about it" with "if you want to vote you should make time to get the proper ID and get registered?"
If something is important to you, you'll find the time to do it.
The point of the legislation is to make it do one has to spend zero dollars and spend zero time to qualify to carry. Let's apply the same standard to voting.
All for making voting easy, get out the ID you already have and use every day and go vote!
The DPS website explains it.Oldbear83 said:
"First appointment at the driver's license office was 7 weeks in the future."
BS. The DPS is open today for walk-ins.
Driving tests need to be scheduled, simple ID is walk-in if you want.