How?BornAgain said:
The guy is a tool. He played us all.
Doc Holliday said:
The guy can get all the airtime he wants so if his reasoning for a book was to get his views out, that's bs.
He's profiting off a pandemic. It's gross.
He's admitted more than once that he lied to you for his own good. That doesn't account for the times he's just winging it.Osodecentx said:How?BornAgain said:
The guy is a tool. He played us all.
Specifics please
Because Fauci is The Scientist. If he makes a mistake, science is bad. If we throw him down a waterfall, science goes away. Science must be punished.Porteroso said:Doc Holliday said:
The guy can get all the airtime he wants so if his reasoning for a book was to get his views out, that's bs.
He's profiting off a pandemic. It's gross.
Why is that gross? He wrote a book about his part in a modern phenomenon. You act like you wish nobody made money during the pandemic, but not too many want us to still be shut down.
You have quite a narrow pop culture view of science.Sam Lowry said:Because Fauci is The Scientist. If he makes a mistake, science is bad. If we throw him down a waterfall, science goes away. Science must be punished.Porteroso said:Doc Holliday said:
The guy can get all the airtime he wants so if his reasoning for a book was to get his views out, that's bs.
He's profiting off a pandemic. It's gross.
Why is that gross? He wrote a book about his part in a modern phenomenon. You act like you wish nobody made money during the pandemic, but not too many want us to still be shut down.
Some do.Robert Wilson said:You have quite a narrow pop culture view of science.Sam Lowry said:Because Fauci is The Scientist. If he makes a mistake, science is bad. If we throw him down a waterfall, science goes away. Science must be punished.Porteroso said:Doc Holliday said:
The guy can get all the airtime he wants so if his reasoning for a book was to get his views out, that's bs.
He's profiting off a pandemic. It's gross.
Why is that gross? He wrote a book about his part in a modern phenomenon. You act like you wish nobody made money during the pandemic, but not too many want us to still be shut down.
Unsurprising.
I'm glad you take comfort in having company.Sam Lowry said:Some do.Robert Wilson said:You have quite a narrow pop culture view of science.Sam Lowry said:Because Fauci is The Scientist. If he makes a mistake, science is bad. If we throw him down a waterfall, science goes away. Science must be punished.Porteroso said:Doc Holliday said:
The guy can get all the airtime he wants so if his reasoning for a book was to get his views out, that's bs.
He's profiting off a pandemic. It's gross.
Why is that gross? He wrote a book about his part in a modern phenomenon. You act like you wish nobody made money during the pandemic, but not too many want us to still be shut down.
Unsurprising.
Robert Wilson said:You have quite a narrow pop culture view of science.Sam Lowry said:Because Fauci is The Scientist. If he makes a mistake, science is bad. If we throw him down a waterfall, science goes away. Science must be punished.Porteroso said:Doc Holliday said:
The guy can get all the airtime he wants so if his reasoning for a book was to get his views out, that's bs.
He's profiting off a pandemic. It's gross.
Why is that gross? He wrote a book about his part in a modern phenomenon. You act like you wish nobody made money during the pandemic, but not too many want us to still be shut down.
Unsurprising.
Are you kidding? #followthescience is the new pop religion. Fauci is the interim pope. The great thing about this new pop science - it is as flexible as politics. Don't mask (wait, that was an intentional lie). Mask. Double mask. Herd immunity is at 30, no 60 no 70, no 80, well it depends on how many people I think might get vaccinated.Porteroso said:Robert Wilson said:You have quite a narrow pop culture view of science.Sam Lowry said:Because Fauci is The Scientist. If he makes a mistake, science is bad. If we throw him down a waterfall, science goes away. Science must be punished.Porteroso said:Doc Holliday said:
The guy can get all the airtime he wants so if his reasoning for a book was to get his views out, that's bs.
He's profiting off a pandemic. It's gross.
Why is that gross? He wrote a book about his part in a modern phenomenon. You act like you wish nobody made money during the pandemic, but not too many want us to still be shut down.
Unsurprising.
How does your post have anything to do with anything? If only actual science was becoming a part of pop culture lol... Star Trek might have guessed right on quite a few things, probably about as close as it gets? Or are you watching Kim K's makeup secrets and thinking it's pop science?
Post is a great example of popular misconceptions.Robert Wilson said:Are you kidding? #followthescience is the new pop religion. Fauci is the interim pope. The great thing about this new pop science - it is as flexible as politics. Don't mask (wait, that was an intentional lie). Mask. Double mask. Herd immunity is at 30, no 60 no 70, no 80, well it depends on how many people I think might get vaccinated.Porteroso said:Robert Wilson said:You have quite a narrow pop culture view of science.Sam Lowry said:Because Fauci is The Scientist. If he makes a mistake, science is bad. If we throw him down a waterfall, science goes away. Science must be punished.Porteroso said:Doc Holliday said:
The guy can get all the airtime he wants so if his reasoning for a book was to get his views out, that's bs.
He's profiting off a pandemic. It's gross.
Why is that gross? He wrote a book about his part in a modern phenomenon. You act like you wish nobody made money during the pandemic, but not too many want us to still be shut down.
Unsurprising.
How does your post have anything to do with anything? If only actual science was becoming a part of pop culture lol... Star Trek might have guessed right on quite a few things, probably about as close as it gets? Or are you watching Kim K's makeup secrets and thinking it's pop science?
The one thing a scientist can't do - buck the popular trends. That'll get your ass castigated by the media, big tech, and social media. Don't say anything that is anti-lockdown or anti-vax. We've replaced religion and science with #followthescience. The great thing about it is that it means whatever you want it to mean. As long as it makes everyone feel safe and bow to acceptable politics.
The timing and hypocrisy is what's disgusting. I'd be fine if the proceeds went to people's jobs he unnecessarily destroyed with bunk recommendations we now know for sure are fraudulent thanks to his FOIA emails released today.Porteroso said:Doc Holliday said:
The guy can get all the airtime he wants so if his reasoning for a book was to get his views out, that's bs.
He's profiting off a pandemic. It's gross.
Why is that gross? He wrote a book about his part in a modern phenomenon. You act like you wish nobody made money during the pandemic, but not too many want us to still be shut down.
Scientist Kristian Anderson told Fauci SARS-CoV-2 has “unusual features” that “potentially look engineered”.
— Sharri Markson (@SharriMarkson) June 2, 2021
Not long after this email, the scientists authored a piece insisting the virus was natural and Fauci said the same publicly. This is a massive cover-up.
(Buzzfeed FOIA) pic.twitter.com/BD3OUzgDzR
Fauci misled the public by failing to say the virus may have been the result of gain-of-function experiments at a Wuhan lab.
— Sharri Markson (@SharriMarkson) June 2, 2021
No one knows more about this research than him - including the risk of a pandemic.
But he never once mentioned it during conversations in the Oval.
It is incomprehensible for an official charged with protecting the public health of Americans to decide a pandemic is a risk he is willing to take.
— Sharri Markson (@SharriMarkson) June 2, 2021
He covered-up a possible lab origin not just from the public but from the most senior White House national security officials.
Sam Lowry said:Post is a great example of popular misconceptions.Robert Wilson said:Are you kidding? #followthescience is the new pop religion. Fauci is the interim pope. The great thing about this new pop science - it is as flexible as politics. Don't mask (wait, that was an intentional lie). Mask. Double mask. Herd immunity is at 30, no 60 no 70, no 80, well it depends on how many people I think might get vaccinated.Porteroso said:Robert Wilson said:You have quite a narrow pop culture view of science.Sam Lowry said:Because Fauci is The Scientist. If he makes a mistake, science is bad. If we throw him down a waterfall, science goes away. Science must be punished.Porteroso said:Doc Holliday said:
The guy can get all the airtime he wants so if his reasoning for a book was to get his views out, that's bs.
He's profiting off a pandemic. It's gross.
Why is that gross? He wrote a book about his part in a modern phenomenon. You act like you wish nobody made money during the pandemic, but not too many want us to still be shut down.
Unsurprising.
How does your post have anything to do with anything? If only actual science was becoming a part of pop culture lol... Star Trek might have guessed right on quite a few things, probably about as close as it gets? Or are you watching Kim K's makeup secrets and thinking it's pop science?
The one thing a scientist can't do - buck the popular trends. That'll get your ass castigated by the media, big tech, and social media. Don't say anything that is anti-lockdown or anti-vax. We've replaced religion and science with #followthescience. The great thing about it is that it means whatever you want it to mean. As long as it makes everyone feel safe and bow to acceptable politics.
Robert Wilson said:Are you kidding? #followthescience is the new pop religion. Fauci is the interim pope. The great thing about this new pop science - it is as flexible as politics. Don't mask (wait, that was an intentional lie). Mask. Double mask. Herd immunity is at 30, no 60 no 70, no 80, well it depends on how many people I think might get vaccinated.Porteroso said:Robert Wilson said:You have quite a narrow pop culture view of science.Sam Lowry said:Because Fauci is The Scientist. If he makes a mistake, science is bad. If we throw him down a waterfall, science goes away. Science must be punished.Porteroso said:Doc Holliday said:
The guy can get all the airtime he wants so if his reasoning for a book was to get his views out, that's bs.
He's profiting off a pandemic. It's gross.
Why is that gross? He wrote a book about his part in a modern phenomenon. You act like you wish nobody made money during the pandemic, but not too many want us to still be shut down.
Unsurprising.
How does your post have anything to do with anything? If only actual science was becoming a part of pop culture lol... Star Trek might have guessed right on quite a few things, probably about as close as it gets? Or are you watching Kim K's makeup secrets and thinking it's pop science?
The one thing a scientist can't do - buck the popular trends. That'll get your ass castigated by the media, big tech, and social media. Don't say anything that is anti-lockdown or anti-vax. We've replaced religion and science with #followthescience. The great thing about it is that it means whatever you want it to mean. As long as it makes everyone feel safe and bow to acceptable politics.
Porteroso said:Robert Wilson said:Are you kidding? #followthescience is the new pop religion. Fauci is the interim pope. The great thing about this new pop science - it is as flexible as politics. Don't mask (wait, that was an intentional lie). Mask. Double mask. Herd immunity is at 30, no 60 no 70, no 80, well it depends on how many people I think might get vaccinated.Porteroso said:Robert Wilson said:You have quite a narrow pop culture view of science.Sam Lowry said:Because Fauci is The Scientist. If he makes a mistake, science is bad. If we throw him down a waterfall, science goes away. Science must be punished.Porteroso said:Doc Holliday said:
The guy can get all the airtime he wants so if his reasoning for a book was to get his views out, that's bs.
He's profiting off a pandemic. It's gross.
Why is that gross? He wrote a book about his part in a modern phenomenon. You act like you wish nobody made money during the pandemic, but not too many want us to still be shut down.
Unsurprising.
How does your post have anything to do with anything? If only actual science was becoming a part of pop culture lol... Star Trek might have guessed right on quite a few things, probably about as close as it gets? Or are you watching Kim K's makeup secrets and thinking it's pop science?
The one thing a scientist can't do - buck the popular trends. That'll get your ass castigated by the media, big tech, and social media. Don't say anything that is anti-lockdown or anti-vax. We've replaced religion and science with #followthescience. The great thing about it is that it means whatever you want it to mean. As long as it makes everyone feel safe and bow to acceptable politics.
Oh man, you've got a lot going on there. I'll let you finish, but scientists always said 70-90%, before the first vaccine was announced. Stop watching your popsci.
As we so often found with Fauci, science had little to do with his mandates.Sam Lowry said:Because Fauci is The Scientist. If he makes a mistake, science is bad. If we throw him down a waterfall, science goes away. Science must be punished.Porteroso said:Doc Holliday said:
The guy can get all the airtime he wants so if his reasoning for a book was to get his views out, that's bs.
He's profiting off a pandemic. It's gross.
Why is that gross? He wrote a book about his part in a modern phenomenon. You act like you wish nobody made money during the pandemic, but not too many want us to still be shut down.
Not really true. But keep in mind that if I can't prove vaccines didn't cause 4,000 deaths, you can't prove Fauci's mandates aren't responsible for beating the pandemic. Post hoc, propter hoc. So let's give credit where it's due.Mothra said:As we so often found with Fauci, science had little to do with his mandates.Sam Lowry said:Because Fauci is The Scientist. If he makes a mistake, science is bad. If we throw him down a waterfall, science goes away. Science must be punished.Porteroso said:Doc Holliday said:
The guy can get all the airtime he wants so if his reasoning for a book was to get his views out, that's bs.
He's profiting off a pandemic. It's gross.
Why is that gross? He wrote a book about his part in a modern phenomenon. You act like you wish nobody made money during the pandemic, but not too many want us to still be shut down.
You might want to take a look at the FOIA Fauci emails just released. There's going to be a lot of crow eating around here.Sam Lowry said:Not really true. But keep in mind that if I can't prove vaccines didn't cause 4,000 deaths, you can't prove Fauci's mandates aren't responsible for beating the pandemic. Post hoc, propter hoc. So let's give credit where it's due.Mothra said:As we so often found with Fauci, science had little to do with his mandates.Sam Lowry said:Because Fauci is The Scientist. If he makes a mistake, science is bad. If we throw him down a waterfall, science goes away. Science must be punished.Porteroso said:Doc Holliday said:
The guy can get all the airtime he wants so if his reasoning for a book was to get his views out, that's bs.
He's profiting off a pandemic. It's gross.
Why is that gross? He wrote a book about his part in a modern phenomenon. You act like you wish nobody made money during the pandemic, but not too many want us to still be shut down.
Yep, he's a highly paid political bureaucrat disguised as scientist. He's also the perfect example of what's wrong with our gov't..... a political desk jockey that's been in a highly influential administrative position for more than a generation that seems to be held accountable by no one.Mothra said:As we so often found with Fauci, science had little to do with his mandates.Sam Lowry said:Because Fauci is The Scientist. If he makes a mistake, science is bad. If we throw him down a waterfall, science goes away. Science must be punished.Porteroso said:Doc Holliday said:
The guy can get all the airtime he wants so if his reasoning for a book was to get his views out, that's bs.
He's profiting off a pandemic. It's gross.
Why is that gross? He wrote a book about his part in a modern phenomenon. You act like you wish nobody made money during the pandemic, but not too many want us to still be shut down.
600k deaths is beating a pandemic that's still here? Hmm.Sam Lowry said:Not really true. But keep in mind that if I can't prove vaccines didn't cause 4,000 deaths, you can't prove Fauci's mandates aren't responsible for beating the pandemic. Post hoc, propter hoc. So let's give credit where it's due.Mothra said:As we so often found with Fauci, science had little to do with his mandates.Sam Lowry said:Because Fauci is The Scientist. If he makes a mistake, science is bad. If we throw him down a waterfall, science goes away. Science must be punished.Porteroso said:Doc Holliday said:
The guy can get all the airtime he wants so if his reasoning for a book was to get his views out, that's bs.
He's profiting off a pandemic. It's gross.
Why is that gross? He wrote a book about his part in a modern phenomenon. You act like you wish nobody made money during the pandemic, but not too many want us to still be shut down.
I think you miss Sam's point, Robert. Fauci is not wrong because Science is wrong, he is wrong because Fauci used his position to advance his own interests at the expense of credible medical leadership.Robert Wilson said:You have quite a narrow pop culture view of science.Sam Lowry said:Because Fauci is The Scientist. If he makes a mistake, science is bad. If we throw him down a waterfall, science goes away. Science must be punished.Porteroso said:Doc Holliday said:
The guy can get all the airtime he wants so if his reasoning for a book was to get his views out, that's bs.
He's profiting off a pandemic. It's gross.
Why is that gross? He wrote a book about his part in a modern phenomenon. You act like you wish nobody made money during the pandemic, but not too many want us to still be shut down.
Unsurprising.
I don't really disagree with any of that.Oldbear83 said:I think you miss Sam's point, Robert. Fauci is not wrong because Science is wrong, he is wrong because Fauci used his position to advance his own interests at the expense of credible medical leadership.Robert Wilson said:You have quite a narrow pop culture view of science.Sam Lowry said:Because Fauci is The Scientist. If he makes a mistake, science is bad. If we throw him down a waterfall, science goes away. Science must be punished.Porteroso said:Doc Holliday said:
The guy can get all the airtime he wants so if his reasoning for a book was to get his views out, that's bs.
He's profiting off a pandemic. It's gross.
Why is that gross? He wrote a book about his part in a modern phenomenon. You act like you wish nobody made money during the pandemic, but not too many want us to still be shut down.
Unsurprising.
Fauci's flip-flop on masks, for instance, was egregious not because he changed his opinion as more information came in, but because Fauci admitted his reason for initially saying masks were not needed was on the assumption that advocating everyone wear masks would increase fear in the public and cause difficulty for medical workers to get enough masks. To say so demonstrated a callous disregard for both public safety and his responsibility to be straight with the public.
Fauci also worked to suppress opinions from front-line doctors who were actually treating COVID patients, again to advance his influence and the CDC rather than provide the best available information to the public as it became available.
Fauci is a self-serving hypocrite, who at minimum played a role in creating the environment for the virus to escape containment by using NIH money for gain of function research in Wuhan while hiding that action from government leaders.
Yup. The goal was too push the vaccine at all costs, regardless of the proven effectiveness of some therapeutics. His discrediting of those therapeutics was inexcusable, and of course, unscientific.Oldbear83 said:Fauci also worked to suppress opinions from front-line doctors who were actually treating COVID patients, again to advance his influence and the CDC rather than provide the best available information to the public as it became available.Robert Wilson said:You have quite a narrow pop culture view of science.Sam Lowry said:Because Fauci is The Scientist. If he makes a mistake, science is bad. If we throw him down a waterfall, science goes away. Science must be punished.Porteroso said:Doc Holliday said:
The guy can get all the airtime he wants so if his reasoning for a book was to get his views out, that's bs.
He's profiting off a pandemic. It's gross.
Why is that gross? He wrote a book about his part in a modern phenomenon. You act like you wish nobody made money during the pandemic, but not too many want us to still be shut down.
Unsurprising.
Don't forget our men's basketball championship this year. There's no evidence Fauci helped, which means he very well could have.Mothra said:600k deaths is beating a pandemic that's still here? Hmm.Sam Lowry said:Not really true. But keep in mind that if I can't prove vaccines didn't cause 4,000 deaths, you can't prove Fauci's mandates aren't responsible for beating the pandemic. Post hoc, propter hoc. So let's give credit where it's due.Mothra said:As we so often found with Fauci, science had little to do with his mandates.Sam Lowry said:Because Fauci is The Scientist. If he makes a mistake, science is bad. If we throw him down a waterfall, science goes away. Science must be punished.Porteroso said:Doc Holliday said:
The guy can get all the airtime he wants so if his reasoning for a book was to get his views out, that's bs.
He's profiting off a pandemic. It's gross.
Why is that gross? He wrote a book about his part in a modern phenomenon. You act like you wish nobody made money during the pandemic, but not too many want us to still be shut down.
You will get no argument from me that some of the measures we took reduced the infection rate (and of course some of the measures we took most likely significantly increased the death rate, particularly, discrediting therapeutics that are known to have saved lives).
But as we have seen repeatedly, much of it wasn't based on science.
Undoubtedly, the 6-foot rule he later reversed helped our men's basketball team stay COVID free. As did his decision to fund research in a Chinese lab that may have led to this pandemic, and was known to be lax in its safety protocols. As did his discrediting of therapeutics that clearly helped those suffering from COVID. As did his knowingly downplaying the percentage of people who would need to be vaccinated in order for the United States to reach herd immunity.Sam Lowry said:Don't forget our men's basketball championship this year. There's no evidence Fauci helped, which means he very well could have.Mothra said:600k deaths is beating a pandemic that's still here? Hmm.Sam Lowry said:Not really true. But keep in mind that if I can't prove vaccines didn't cause 4,000 deaths, you can't prove Fauci's mandates aren't responsible for beating the pandemic. Post hoc, propter hoc. So let's give credit where it's due.Mothra said:As we so often found with Fauci, science had little to do with his mandates.Sam Lowry said:Because Fauci is The Scientist. If he makes a mistake, science is bad. If we throw him down a waterfall, science goes away. Science must be punished.Porteroso said:Doc Holliday said:
The guy can get all the airtime he wants so if his reasoning for a book was to get his views out, that's bs.
He's profiting off a pandemic. It's gross.
Why is that gross? He wrote a book about his part in a modern phenomenon. You act like you wish nobody made money during the pandemic, but not too many want us to still be shut down.
You will get no argument from me that some of the measures we took reduced the infection rate (and of course some of the measures we took most likely significantly increased the death rate, particularly, discrediting therapeutics that are known to have saved lives).
But as we have seen repeatedly, much of it wasn't based on science.
Sam Lowry said:Don't forget our men's basketball championship this year. There's no evidence Fauci helped, which means he very well could have.Mothra said:600k deaths is beating a pandemic that's still here? Hmm.Sam Lowry said:Not really true. But keep in mind that if I can't prove vaccines didn't cause 4,000 deaths, you can't prove Fauci's mandates aren't responsible for beating the pandemic. Post hoc, propter hoc. So let's give credit where it's due.Mothra said:As we so often found with Fauci, science had little to do with his mandates.Sam Lowry said:Because Fauci is The Scientist. If he makes a mistake, science is bad. If we throw him down a waterfall, science goes away. Science must be punished.Porteroso said:Doc Holliday said:
The guy can get all the airtime he wants so if his reasoning for a book was to get his views out, that's bs.
He's profiting off a pandemic. It's gross.
Why is that gross? He wrote a book about his part in a modern phenomenon. You act like you wish nobody made money during the pandemic, but not too many want us to still be shut down.
You will get no argument from me that some of the measures we took reduced the infection rate (and of course some of the measures we took most likely significantly increased the death rate, particularly, discrediting therapeutics that are known to have saved lives).
But as we have seen repeatedly, much of it wasn't based on science.
And you are ...Sam Lowry said:
Just having some fun with Mothra's signature brand of scientific reasoning. Point is he's not really in a position to say what's science and what isn't.