Yeah, lots of Protestant Irish, Poles, Jews and CatholicsC. Jordan said:Probably should clarify to white Christian Protestant privilege.Osodecentx said:
Like the Irish, Italians, Polish, Jewish, Catholics, etc
Yeah, lots of Protestant Irish, Poles, Jews and CatholicsC. Jordan said:Probably should clarify to white Christian Protestant privilege.Osodecentx said:
Like the Irish, Italians, Polish, Jewish, Catholics, etc
You've been watching too many Westerns!GrowlTowel said:And it is all bull***** You know it and Yellow Dog knows it.bear2be2 said:
Not all indignities are universal. And those experienced by white people in this country have very rarely been related to their race or ethnicity -- a reality most racial and ethnic minorities haven't had the privilege of sharing throughout our relatively short history.
That acknowledgement is all white privilege really is. It's not the suggestion that white people are above struggle or difficulty.
Tell it to the frontiersmen slaughtered by the Redskins.
Who is to blame for blacks being profiled like this - the store owner/worker, or the incidence of shoplifting from other blacks?Shippou said:Doc Holliday said:Name one thing I don't have to put up with that other races do today.quash said:Doc Holliday said:Millions of people believe it as I've explained it.quash said:That is not what privilege means. It manifests not so much in what we have been given but in what we don't have to put up with, which makes it hard to see and hard to do anything about. Mainly just shut up about it and treat people fairly.Doc Holliday said:White privilege means ill-gotten gains. The step after acknowledgement is to remove those gains: the goal is a society without white privilege.bear2be2 said:
That acknowledgement is all white privilege really is.
Several historically marginalized groups out-perform whites today and yet we still tell whites to feel bad about anything they achieve.
You guys touting the concept of white privilege have completely failed to convey what you mean and it's taking a sinister turn towards hatred.
Also, awareness doesn't change a damn thing. See opioid abuse.
"You guys" ****ing it up aren't helping.
Have you ever been followed in a store? And I don't mean the worker coming up and just asking if you need help with anything, I mean being followed from entrance to exit regardless of whether you purchase anything or not.
The reason why blacks and other groups start lower is white suppression of those groups.Thee University said:I think you left out a key part concerning BLAME. The blame has been placed squarely on whitey's shoulders although with each passing day more and more are waking up to realize they are not racist and this entire sham over the past several years is only serving to divide us further.bear2be2 said:
Not all indignities are universal. And those experienced by white people in this country have very rarely been related to their race or ethnicity -- a reality most racial and ethnic minorities haven't had the privilege of sharing throughout our relatively short history.
That acknowledgement is all white privilege really is. It's not the suggestion that white people are above struggle or difficulty.
I feel bad for only 1, single group........the American Indian. If anybody is due reparations in my opinion it is only the American Indian who should be compensated. They are the only group who is worse off today than they were when Europeans stepped foot on these shores. ALL other ethnic groups are much better off. ALL of them!
None of my ancestors owned slaves. I have never owned a slave. My kids will most likely never own a slave.C. Jordan said:The reason why blacks and other groups start lower is white suppression of those groups.Thee University said:I think you left out a key part concerning BLAME. The blame has been placed squarely on whitey's shoulders although with each passing day more and more are waking up to realize they are not racist and this entire sham over the past several years is only serving to divide us further.bear2be2 said:
Not all indignities are universal. And those experienced by white people in this country have very rarely been related to their race or ethnicity -- a reality most racial and ethnic minorities haven't had the privilege of sharing throughout our relatively short history.
That acknowledgement is all white privilege really is. It's not the suggestion that white people are above struggle or difficulty.
I feel bad for only 1, single group........the American Indian. If anybody is due reparations in my opinion it is only the American Indian who should be compensated. They are the only group who is worse off today than they were when Europeans stepped foot on these shores. ALL other ethnic groups are much better off. ALL of them!
The blame does indeed rest with whites. Whites enslaved blacks, denied them equal employment opportunity, denied them equal educational opportunity, etc.
I think it would be helpful to you to make some black friends and talk to them. It appears either you don't have any, or they fear being honest with you, or they just don't want to be honest with you.
Also, I think the Africans who died in they own vomit, urine, and feces on the Middle Passage might take exception to your assertion that they were better off.
Good griefbear2be2 said:
Not all indignities are universal. And those experienced by white people in this country have very rarely been related to their race or ethnicity --
chuckle......need to crack open some history books.C. Jordan said:GrowlTowel said:And it is all bull***** You know it and Yellow Dog knows it.bear2be2 said:
Not all indignities are universal. And those experienced by white people in this country have very rarely been related to their race or ethnicity -- a reality most racial and ethnic minorities haven't had the privilege of sharing throughout our relatively short history.
That acknowledgement is all white privilege really is. It's not the suggestion that white people are above struggle or difficulty.
Tell it to the frontiersmen slaughtered by the Redskins.
Natives were basically exterminated by whites. Whites equated them with the Canaanites of Joshua.
Canada2017 said:Good griefbear2be2 said:
Not all indignities are universal. And those experienced by white people in this country have very rarely been related to their race or ethnicity --
Sell your line to the Irish, Italians , Poles, Germans , Jews, Catholics , Mormons et al.
you want to tallied up the "slaughtered" on those 2 sides?GrowlTowel said:And it is all bull***** You know it and Yellow Dog knows it.bear2be2 said:
Not all indignities are universal. And those experienced by white people in this country have very rarely been related to their race or ethnicity -- a reality most racial and ethnic minorities haven't had the privilege of sharing throughout our relatively short history.
That acknowledgement is all white privilege really is. It's not the suggestion that white people are above struggle or difficulty.
Tell it to the frontiersmen slaughtered by the Redskins.
Sorry *******, but anyone born black in my lifetime has the same opportunities than any white person born my lifetime. Some would even argue they have more opportunities or advantages with affirmative action, college admissions diversity, special grants, etc...bularry said:
this is one of the dumbest diatribes I've ever read on here. you are either being intentionally dishonest or you are someone that needs to deal with some deep racial resentment.
'whitey" as you say, has had all the advantages in this country since its founding. There is no disputing that fact, as you say "crack a book"
El Oso said:
I don't think it's possible to convince someone of white privilege. It's a condition they can only come to see on their own.
There were several moments in my life that led to me realizing white privilege is a thing a few years ago.
It doesn't mean I didn't work hard for what I have, it simply means I've had a few advantages along the way simply because of the color of my skin.
Again, it takes absolutely nothing away from what I've accomplished with my life.
1. White suppression? How about making an effort to assimilate and prosper in a society that was eventually and purposely tailored for Black, Hispanics, Asians & Indians to succeed if they just put out the effort and try.C. Jordan said:
The reason why blacks and other groups start lower is white suppression of those groups.
The blame does indeed rest with whites. Whites enslaved blacks, denied them equal employment opportunity, denied them equal educational opportunity, etc.
I think it would be helpful to you to make some black friends and talk to them. It appears either you don't have any, or they fear being honest with you, or they just don't want to be honest with you.
Also, I think the Africans who died in they own vomit, urine, and feces on the Middle Passage might take exception to your assertion that they were better off.
What country was that, again? What was its name? Where were the borders? Which of the scores of different warring tribes was the representative leadership of this 'country' that was invaded?cms186 said:You expected the Native Americans to roll over and roll out the red carpet for the frontiersmen and their kin slaughtered all the Natives on the east coast? the Frontiersmen invaded their country, what else were they going to do?GrowlTowel said:And it is all bull***** You know it and Yellow Dog knows it.bear2be2 said:
Not all indignities are universal. And those experienced by white people in this country have very rarely been related to their race or ethnicity -- a reality most racial and ethnic minorities haven't had the privilege of sharing throughout our relatively short history.
That acknowledgement is all white privilege really is. It's not the suggestion that white people are above struggle or difficulty.
Tell it to the frontiersmen slaughtered by the Redskins.
It's the truth whether you think it's ****ed up or not. I mean, we like might makes right when it applies to the Confederacy, the British, the Spanish, etc. The Indians were engaged in a giant game of clash of clans long before Europeans got here. Do you know how many "native cultures" were obliterated on the scrap heap of history before any Europeans stepped foot in North America? That is the progression of history since man walked the earth. But we apply our sensitive 21st century guilt retroactively to times we can't fathom being a part of or with the perspective of the age.bear2be2 said:ATL Bear said:Technically, many American Indians are living in, on, and with the "reparations" of not wanting to assimilate.Thee University said:I think you left out a key part concerning BLAME. The blame has been placed squarely on whitey's shoulders although with each passing day more and more are waking up to realize they are not racist and this entire sham over the past several years is only serving to divide us further.bear2be2 said:
Not all indignities are universal. And those experienced by white people in this country have very rarely been related to their race or ethnicity -- a reality most racial and ethnic minorities haven't had the privilege of sharing throughout our relatively short history.
That acknowledgement is all white privilege really is. It's not the suggestion that white people are above struggle or difficulty.
I feel bad for only 1, single group........the American Indian. If anybody is due reparations in my opinion it is only the American Indian who should be compensated. They are the only group who is worse off today than they were when Europeans stepped foot on these shores. ALL other ethnic groups are much better off. ALL of them!
This is a really ****ed up worldview. The natives' culture predated the colonizers' in these lands by a long shot. This is just might makes right bull***** And expecting a group of people you tried to exterminate to assimilate to your culture is absurd.
ok, so because there were many different tribes with their own territories, that makes it ok that your descendants decimated them all?Canon said:What country was that, again? What was its name? Where were the borders? Which of the scores of different warring tribes was the representative leadership of this 'country' that was invaded?cms186 said:You expected the Native Americans to roll over and roll out the red carpet for the frontiersmen and their kin slaughtered all the Natives on the east coast? the Frontiersmen invaded their country, what else were they going to do?GrowlTowel said:And it is all bull***** You know it and Yellow Dog knows it.bear2be2 said:
Not all indignities are universal. And those experienced by white people in this country have very rarely been related to their race or ethnicity -- a reality most racial and ethnic minorities haven't had the privilege of sharing throughout our relatively short history.
That acknowledgement is all white privilege really is. It's not the suggestion that white people are above struggle or difficulty.
Tell it to the frontiersmen slaughtered by the Redskins.
The problem with believing stupid leftist taking points is they make you look just as stupid when you choose to repeat them.
cms186 said:ok, so because there were many different tribes with their own territories, that makes it ok that your descendants decimated them all?Canon said:What country was that, again? What was its name? Where were the borders? Which of the scores of different warring tribes was the representative leadership of this 'country' that was invaded?cms186 said:You expected the Native Americans to roll over and roll out the red carpet for the frontiersmen and their kin slaughtered all the Natives on the east coast? the Frontiersmen invaded their country, what else were they going to do?GrowlTowel said:And it is all bull***** You know it and Yellow Dog knows it.bear2be2 said:
Not all indignities are universal. And those experienced by white people in this country have very rarely been related to their race or ethnicity -- a reality most racial and ethnic minorities haven't had the privilege of sharing throughout our relatively short history.
That acknowledgement is all white privilege really is. It's not the suggestion that white people are above struggle or difficulty.
Tell it to the frontiersmen slaughtered by the Redskins.
The problem with believing stupid leftist taking points is they make you look just as stupid when you choose to repeat them.
cms186 said:ok, so because there were many different tribes with their own territories, that makes it ok that your descendants decimated them all?Canon said:What country was that, again? What was its name? Where were the borders? Which of the scores of different warring tribes was the representative leadership of this 'country' that was invaded?cms186 said:You expected the Native Americans to roll over and roll out the red carpet for the frontiersmen and their kin slaughtered all the Natives on the east coast? the Frontiersmen invaded their country, what else were they going to do?GrowlTowel said:And it is all bull***** You know it and Yellow Dog knows it.bear2be2 said:
Not all indignities are universal. And those experienced by white people in this country have very rarely been related to their race or ethnicity -- a reality most racial and ethnic minorities haven't had the privilege of sharing throughout our relatively short history.
That acknowledgement is all white privilege really is. It's not the suggestion that white people are above struggle or difficulty.
Tell it to the frontiersmen slaughtered by the Redskins.
The problem with believing stupid leftist taking points is they make you look just as stupid when you choose to repeat them.
You said VERY rarely.bear2be2 said:Canada2017 said:Good griefbear2be2 said:
Not all indignities are universal. And those experienced by white people in this country have very rarely been related to their race or ethnicity --
Sell your line to the Irish, Italians , Poles, Germans , Jews, Catholics , Mormons et al.
Notice I said rarely. And all your post proves is that the majority in this country has been ****ty to every immigrant group -- as well as the natives. But those with extra melanin in their skin have consistently gotten it the worst and for the longest duration throughout our history.
Ridiculous comment .cms186 said:ok, so because there were many different tribes with their own territories, that makes it ok that your descendants decimated them all?Canon said:What country was that, again? What was its name? Where were the borders? Which of the scores of different warring tribes was the representative leadership of this 'country' that was invaded?cms186 said:You expected the Native Americans to roll over and roll out the red carpet for the frontiersmen and their kin slaughtered all the Natives on the east coast? the Frontiersmen invaded their country, what else were they going to do?GrowlTowel said:And it is all bull***** You know it and Yellow Dog knows it.bear2be2 said:
Not all indignities are universal. And those experienced by white people in this country have very rarely been related to their race or ethnicity -- a reality most racial and ethnic minorities haven't had the privilege of sharing throughout our relatively short history.
That acknowledgement is all white privilege really is. It's not the suggestion that white people are above struggle or difficulty.
Tell it to the frontiersmen slaughtered by the Redskins.
The problem with believing stupid leftist taking points is they make you look just as stupid when you choose to repeat them.
if you bothered to look back to the origins of this discussion, I was answering someones "point" that Frontiersmen being killed by Native Americans was an injustice, i merely pointed out the Frontiersmen started it by invading them in the first placeCanon said:cms186 said:ok, so because there were many different tribes with their own territories, that makes it ok that your descendants decimated them all?Canon said:What country was that, again? What was its name? Where were the borders? Which of the scores of different warring tribes was the representative leadership of this 'country' that was invaded?cms186 said:You expected the Native Americans to roll over and roll out the red carpet for the frontiersmen and their kin slaughtered all the Natives on the east coast? the Frontiersmen invaded their country, what else were they going to do?GrowlTowel said:And it is all bull***** You know it and Yellow Dog knows it.bear2be2 said:
Not all indignities are universal. And those experienced by white people in this country have very rarely been related to their race or ethnicity -- a reality most racial and ethnic minorities haven't had the privilege of sharing throughout our relatively short history.
That acknowledgement is all white privilege really is. It's not the suggestion that white people are above struggle or difficulty.
Tell it to the frontiersmen slaughtered by the Redskins.
The problem with believing stupid leftist taking points is they make you look just as stupid when you choose to repeat them.
Where were their borders? How often did they change? How many tribes warred with each other? How often did territory change hands? How many tribes "decimated" others?
Settlers played by less savage rules than existing tribes. Settlers just did war FAR better. Your outrage is stupid. You ignore the times and the realities that existed. You claim winning war was bad just because Europeans were better at it. Had the tables turned, it would have been no different. It's just that Europeans had invented things like the wheel whereas Indians were still raiding each other for rape victims and human sacrifices.
Then you were lying. The problem is partly that the people living here - not native to the country any more than Europeans were, by the way, if you look back far enough - had different ideas about land, war, property and Justice. Most of what we are told by Hollywood is completely false. The 'native americans' had no ideals to speak of about peace or sharing, they respected power, and did nothing when a few of their men raided and killed European visitors ... until the Europeans proved that there were consequences to such raids.cms186 said:if you bothered to look back to the origins of this discussion, I was answering someones "point" that Frontiersmen being killed by Native Americans was an injustice, i merely pointed out the Frontiersmen started it by invading them in the first placeCanon said:cms186 said:ok, so because there were many different tribes with their own territories, that makes it ok that your descendants decimated them all?Canon said:What country was that, again? What was its name? Where were the borders? Which of the scores of different warring tribes was the representative leadership of this 'country' that was invaded?cms186 said:You expected the Native Americans to roll over and roll out the red carpet for the frontiersmen and their kin slaughtered all the Natives on the east coast? the Frontiersmen invaded their country, what else were they going to do?GrowlTowel said:And it is all bull***** You know it and Yellow Dog knows it.bear2be2 said:
Not all indignities are universal. And those experienced by white people in this country have very rarely been related to their race or ethnicity -- a reality most racial and ethnic minorities haven't had the privilege of sharing throughout our relatively short history.
That acknowledgement is all white privilege really is. It's not the suggestion that white people are above struggle or difficulty.
Tell it to the frontiersmen slaughtered by the Redskins.
The problem with believing stupid leftist taking points is they make you look just as stupid when you choose to repeat them.
Where were their borders? How often did they change? How many tribes warred with each other? How often did territory change hands? How many tribes "decimated" others?
Settlers played by less savage rules than existing tribes. Settlers just did war FAR better. Your outrage is stupid. You ignore the times and the realities that existed. You claim winning war was bad just because Europeans were better at it. Had the tables turned, it would have been no different. It's just that Europeans had invented things like the wheel whereas Indians were still raiding each other for rape victims and human sacrifices.
Again with trying to twist the narrative to fit your argument, you're a true republicanOldbear83 said:Then you were lying. The problem is partly that the people living here - not native to the country any more than Europeans were, by the way, if you look back far enough - had different ideas about land, war, property and Justice. Most of what we are told by Hollywood is completely false. The 'native americans' had no ideals to speak of about peace or sharing, they respected power, and did nothing when a few of their men raided and killed European visitors ... until the Europeans proved that there were consequences to such raids.cms186 said:if you bothered to look back to the origins of this discussion, I was answering someones "point" that Frontiersmen being killed by Native Americans was an injustice, i merely pointed out the Frontiersmen started it by invading them in the first placeCanon said:cms186 said:ok, so because there were many different tribes with their own territories, that makes it ok that your descendants decimated them all?Canon said:What country was that, again? What was its name? Where were the borders? Which of the scores of different warring tribes was the representative leadership of this 'country' that was invaded?cms186 said:You expected the Native Americans to roll over and roll out the red carpet for the frontiersmen and their kin slaughtered all the Natives on the east coast? the Frontiersmen invaded their country, what else were they going to do?GrowlTowel said:And it is all bull***** You know it and Yellow Dog knows it.bear2be2 said:
Not all indignities are universal. And those experienced by white people in this country have very rarely been related to their race or ethnicity -- a reality most racial and ethnic minorities haven't had the privilege of sharing throughout our relatively short history.
That acknowledgement is all white privilege really is. It's not the suggestion that white people are above struggle or difficulty.
Tell it to the frontiersmen slaughtered by the Redskins.
The problem with believing stupid leftist taking points is they make you look just as stupid when you choose to repeat them.
Where were their borders? How often did they change? How many tribes warred with each other? How often did territory change hands? How many tribes "decimated" others?
Settlers played by less savage rules than existing tribes. Settlers just did war FAR better. Your outrage is stupid. You ignore the times and the realities that existed. You claim winning war was bad just because Europeans were better at it. Had the tables turned, it would have been no different. It's just that Europeans had invented things like the wheel whereas Indians were still raiding each other for rape victims and human sacrifices.
Certainly there were injustices committed by various men, and the US Government does have blood on its hands from a number of incidents, but that does not mean that the claim that we simply 'stole native land' is anything but BS by people using it for political rants.
And by the way, my ancestors in Scotland who died at the hands of British 'lords' who raided their farms and raped their women would like to know when the Crown will get around to apologizing for all of that.
The lying and twisting is yours, English tyrant.cms186 said:Again with trying to twist the narrative to fit your argument, you're a true republicanOldbear83 said:Then you were lying. The problem is partly that the people living here - not native to the country any more than Europeans were, by the way, if you look back far enough - had different ideas about land, war, property and Justice. Most of what we are told by Hollywood is completely false. The 'native americans' had no ideals to speak of about peace or sharing, they respected power, and did nothing when a few of their men raided and killed European visitors ... until the Europeans proved that there were consequences to such raids.cms186 said:if you bothered to look back to the origins of this discussion, I was answering someones "point" that Frontiersmen being killed by Native Americans was an injustice, i merely pointed out the Frontiersmen started it by invading them in the first placeCanon said:cms186 said:ok, so because there were many different tribes with their own territories, that makes it ok that your descendants decimated them all?Canon said:What country was that, again? What was its name? Where were the borders? Which of the scores of different warring tribes was the representative leadership of this 'country' that was invaded?cms186 said:You expected the Native Americans to roll over and roll out the red carpet for the frontiersmen and their kin slaughtered all the Natives on the east coast? the Frontiersmen invaded their country, what else were they going to do?GrowlTowel said:And it is all bull***** You know it and Yellow Dog knows it.bear2be2 said:
Not all indignities are universal. And those experienced by white people in this country have very rarely been related to their race or ethnicity -- a reality most racial and ethnic minorities haven't had the privilege of sharing throughout our relatively short history.
That acknowledgement is all white privilege really is. It's not the suggestion that white people are above struggle or difficulty.
Tell it to the frontiersmen slaughtered by the Redskins.
The problem with believing stupid leftist taking points is they make you look just as stupid when you choose to repeat them.
Where were their borders? How often did they change? How many tribes warred with each other? How often did territory change hands? How many tribes "decimated" others?
Settlers played by less savage rules than existing tribes. Settlers just did war FAR better. Your outrage is stupid. You ignore the times and the realities that existed. You claim winning war was bad just because Europeans were better at it. Had the tables turned, it would have been no different. It's just that Europeans had invented things like the wheel whereas Indians were still raiding each other for rape victims and human sacrifices.
Certainly there were injustices committed by various men, and the US Government does have blood on its hands from a number of incidents, but that does not mean that the claim that we simply 'stole native land' is anything but BS by people using it for political rants.
And by the way, my ancestors in Scotland who died at the hands of British 'lords' who raided their farms and raped their women would like to know when the Crown will get around to apologizing for all of that.
"You guys ****ing it up aren't helping."Doc Holliday said:Then you should feel guilty for upholding oppression by taking those advantages and suffer the consequences of your sins against people of color.El Oso said:
It doesn't mean I didn't work hard for what I have, it simply means I've had a few advantages along the way simply because of the color of my skin.
Bow down to critical justice. Lick their boots. See what happens.quash said:"You guys ****ing it up aren't helping."Doc Holliday said:Then you should feel guilty for upholding oppression by taking those advantages and suffer the consequences of your sins against people of color.El Oso said:
It doesn't mean I didn't work hard for what I have, it simply means I've had a few advantages along the way simply because of the color of my skin.
Rawhide said:Some would even argue they have more opportunities or advantages with affirmative action, college admissions diversity, special grants, etc...bularry said:
this is one of the dumbest diatribes I've ever read on here. you are either being intentionally dishonest or you are someone that needs to deal with some deep racial resentment.
'whitey" as you say, has had all the advantages in this country since its founding. There is no disputing that fact, as you say "crack a book"
You are not helping, you are deflecting to the far side of the stadium.Doc Holliday said:Bow down to critical justice. Lick their boots. See what happens.quash said:"You guys ****ing it up aren't helping."Doc Holliday said:Then you should feel guilty for upholding oppression by taking those advantages and suffer the consequences of your sins against people of color.El Oso said:
It doesn't mean I didn't work hard for what I have, it simply means I've had a few advantages along the way simply because of the color of my skin.
1. I gave you lots of examples of White suppression. I grew up in GA, in the Deep South, in the 1950s and 1960s, and saw it with my own eyes. Blacks had lesser schools, lesser medical care, lesser everything. A society that was tailored to allow Blacks and others to succeed if they tried? This is a complete myth. This NEVER EXISTED.Thee University said:1. White suppression? How about making an effort to assimilate and prosper in a society that was eventually and purposely tailored for Black, Hispanics, Asians & Indians to succeed if they just put out the effort and try.C. Jordan said:
The reason why blacks and other groups start lower is white suppression of those groups.
The blame does indeed rest with whites. Whites enslaved blacks, denied them equal employment opportunity, denied them equal educational opportunity, etc.
I think it would be helpful to you to make some black friends and talk to them. It appears either you don't have any, or they fear being honest with you, or they just don't want to be honest with you.
Also, I think the Africans who died in they own vomit, urine, and feces on the Middle Passage might take exception to your assertion that they were better off.
2. Blame the African warlords and kings who started the Middle Passage and were more than willing to capture and sell members of tribes.
3. I've got a number of black friends. Probably more than the vast majority of posters here on 365. While in corporate America I purposely hired more blacks than whites or more Hispanics than whites based on the demographics of the regions/cities they worked in. I lived in an athletic dorm with around 40% blacks for 4 years. Don't lecture me on making black friends. I still today, 40 years later, call some of my black friends to check in on them.
4. In 2021 people need to quit blaming whites for all their troubles and accept & acknowledge the FACT that the United States has done far more than any country in the world to help Indians, Hispanics, Blacks & Asians just to name a few be successful and assimilate into the United States way of life, liberty and happiness.
So, since your British ancestors were already raping and killing each other, if say the Chinese decided to come and take their land it would be okay?Oldbear83 said:Then you were lying. The problem is partly that the people living here - not native to the country any more than Europeans were, by the way, if you look back far enough - had different ideas about land, war, property and Justice. Most of what we are told by Hollywood is completely false. The 'native americans' had no ideals to speak of about peace or sharing, they respected power, and did nothing when a few of their men raided and killed European visitors ... until the Europeans proved that there were consequences to such raids.cms186 said:if you bothered to look back to the origins of this discussion, I was answering someones "point" that Frontiersmen being killed by Native Americans was an injustice, i merely pointed out the Frontiersmen started it by invading them in the first placeCanon said:cms186 said:ok, so because there were many different tribes with their own territories, that makes it ok that your descendants decimated them all?Canon said:What country was that, again? What was its name? Where were the borders? Which of the scores of different warring tribes was the representative leadership of this 'country' that was invaded?cms186 said:You expected the Native Americans to roll over and roll out the red carpet for the frontiersmen and their kin slaughtered all the Natives on the east coast? the Frontiersmen invaded their country, what else were they going to do?GrowlTowel said:And it is all bull***** You know it and Yellow Dog knows it.bear2be2 said:
Not all indignities are universal. And those experienced by white people in this country have very rarely been related to their race or ethnicity -- a reality most racial and ethnic minorities haven't had the privilege of sharing throughout our relatively short history.
That acknowledgement is all white privilege really is. It's not the suggestion that white people are above struggle or difficulty.
Tell it to the frontiersmen slaughtered by the Redskins.
The problem with believing stupid leftist taking points is they make you look just as stupid when you choose to repeat them.
Where were their borders? How often did they change? How many tribes warred with each other? How often did territory change hands? How many tribes "decimated" others?
Settlers played by less savage rules than existing tribes. Settlers just did war FAR better. Your outrage is stupid. You ignore the times and the realities that existed. You claim winning war was bad just because Europeans were better at it. Had the tables turned, it would have been no different. It's just that Europeans had invented things like the wheel whereas Indians were still raiding each other for rape victims and human sacrifices.
Certainly there were injustices committed by various men, and the US Government does have blood on its hands from a number of incidents, but that does not mean that the claim that we simply 'stole native land' is anything but BS by people using it for political rants.
And by the way, my ancestors in Scotland who died at the hands of British 'lords' who raided their farms and raped their women would like to know when the Crown will get around to apologizing for all of that.
Irrational? Their voice is much larger than yours and they're winning the narrative.quash said:You are not helping, you are deflecting to the far side of the stadium.Doc Holliday said:Bow down to critical justice. Lick their boots. See what happens.quash said:"You guys ****ing it up aren't helping."Doc Holliday said:Then you should feel guilty for upholding oppression by taking those advantages and suffer the consequences of your sins against people of color.El Oso said:
It doesn't mean I didn't work hard for what I have, it simply means I've had a few advantages along the way simply because of the color of my skin.
It is entirely possible to critique CRT without feeding fuel to their fire, which is your chosen route. And you know what a bull**** charge it is to suggest I'm licking the CRT boot: I have started threads warning about their nonsense, laughing when they got Sokaled, and I have suggested folks read New Discourses, among other sources, to keep up with it in a rational way. I can't help that you have chosen the irrational route.
I think I agree, if you're saying smart, competent minorities have their accomplishments devalued by the rewarding of less competent minorities through affirmative action.quash said:Rawhide said:Some would even argue they have more opportunities or advantages with affirmative action, college admissions diversity, special grants, etc...bularry said:
this is one of the dumbest diatribes I've ever read on here. you are either being intentionally dishonest or you are someone that needs to deal with some deep racial resentment.
'whitey" as you say, has had all the advantages in this country since its founding. There is no disputing that fact, as you say "crack a book"
You and I have the privilege of not having our success filtered through that paragraph.
I know you can't tell falling sky from falling acorns, but...Doc Holliday said:Irrational? Their voice is much larger than yours and they're winning the narrative.quash said:You are not helping, you are deflecting to the far side of the stadium.Doc Holliday said:Bow down to critical justice. Lick their boots. See what happens.quash said:"You guys ****ing it up aren't helping."Doc Holliday said:Then you should feel guilty for upholding oppression by taking those advantages and suffer the consequences of your sins against people of color.El Oso said:
It doesn't mean I didn't work hard for what I have, it simply means I've had a few advantages along the way simply because of the color of my skin.
It is entirely possible to critique CRT without feeding fuel to their fire, which is your chosen route. And you know what a bull**** charge it is to suggest I'm licking the CRT boot: I have started threads warning about their nonsense, laughing when they got Sokaled, and I have suggested folks read New Discourses, among other sources, to keep up with it in a rational way. I can't help that you have chosen the irrational route.
As usual, Sam ducks the point. No, I am saying that conquest has never been about 'fair' or 'sporting' conditions.Sam Lowry said:So, since your British ancestors were already raping and killing each other, if say the Chinese decided to come and take their land it would be okay?Oldbear83 said:Then you were lying. The problem is partly that the people living here - not native to the country any more than Europeans were, by the way, if you look back far enough - had different ideas about land, war, property and Justice. Most of what we are told by Hollywood is completely false. The 'native americans' had no ideals to speak of about peace or sharing, they respected power, and did nothing when a few of their men raided and killed European visitors ... until the Europeans proved that there were consequences to such raids.cms186 said:if you bothered to look back to the origins of this discussion, I was answering someones "point" that Frontiersmen being killed by Native Americans was an injustice, i merely pointed out the Frontiersmen started it by invading them in the first placeCanon said:cms186 said:ok, so because there were many different tribes with their own territories, that makes it ok that your descendants decimated them all?Canon said:What country was that, again? What was its name? Where were the borders? Which of the scores of different warring tribes was the representative leadership of this 'country' that was invaded?cms186 said:You expected the Native Americans to roll over and roll out the red carpet for the frontiersmen and their kin slaughtered all the Natives on the east coast? the Frontiersmen invaded their country, what else were they going to do?GrowlTowel said:And it is all bull***** You know it and Yellow Dog knows it.bear2be2 said:
Not all indignities are universal. And those experienced by white people in this country have very rarely been related to their race or ethnicity -- a reality most racial and ethnic minorities haven't had the privilege of sharing throughout our relatively short history.
That acknowledgement is all white privilege really is. It's not the suggestion that white people are above struggle or difficulty.
Tell it to the frontiersmen slaughtered by the Redskins.
The problem with believing stupid leftist taking points is they make you look just as stupid when you choose to repeat them.
Where were their borders? How often did they change? How many tribes warred with each other? How often did territory change hands? How many tribes "decimated" others?
Settlers played by less savage rules than existing tribes. Settlers just did war FAR better. Your outrage is stupid. You ignore the times and the realities that existed. You claim winning war was bad just because Europeans were better at it. Had the tables turned, it would have been no different. It's just that Europeans had invented things like the wheel whereas Indians were still raiding each other for rape victims and human sacrifices.
Certainly there were injustices committed by various men, and the US Government does have blood on its hands from a number of incidents, but that does not mean that the claim that we simply 'stole native land' is anything but BS by people using it for political rants.
And by the way, my ancestors in Scotland who died at the hands of British 'lords' who raided their farms and raped their women would like to know when the Crown will get around to apologizing for all of that.