Shame on you.Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:
Why in hell would a man grandstand his kids like that? If you dont like Canadas rules go somewhere else.
Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:
Why in hell would a man grandstand his kids like that? If you dont like Canadas rules go somewhere else.
in 33,34,35 Germany, what advice would you have given the Jews?Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:
Why in hell would a man grandstand his kids like that? If you dont like Canadas rules go somewhere else.
Please....for all we know this guy is a multi-generational Canadian.Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:
Why in hell would a man grandstand his kids like that? If you dont like Canadas rules go somewhere else.
his kids in his house, in his yard, in his driveway. Damn kids had no right to follow dad out to the cop car.Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:
Why in hell would a man grandstand his kids like that? If you dont like Canadas rules go somewhere else.
Ein braunes Hemd Gre 2XL. Vielen Dank.Porteroso said:
Violate the law, and you usually get consequences.
A lot of people think they can break the law to serve a higher purpose, and that higher purpose is usually their own pride. If the pastor would be willing to take in a leper at his home church, I would concede maybe he is truly seeking to obey the "gather in my name" literally. But I bet he just doesn't think covid was a big enough deal to pause his in person meetings.
And this was basically a stunt anyway. The story says he knew he was in violation of the order and decided to hold the service in direct violation of the order anyway.Porteroso said:
Violate the law, and you usually get consequences.
A lot of people think they can break the law to serve a higher purpose, and that higher purpose is usually their own pride. If the pastor would be willing to take in a leper at his home church, I would concede maybe he is truly seeking to obey the "gather in my name" literally. But I bet he just doesn't think covid was a big enough deal to pause his in person meetings.
Why do you hate Rosa Parks?bear2be2 said:And this was basically a stunt anyway. The story says he knew he was in violation of the order and decided to hold the service in direct violation of the order anyway.Porteroso said:
Violate the law, and you usually get consequences.
A lot of people think they can break the law to serve a higher purpose, and that higher purpose is usually their own pride. If the pastor would be willing to take in a leper at his home church, I would concede maybe he is truly seeking to obey the "gather in my name" literally. But I bet he just doesn't think covid was a big enough deal to pause his in person meetings.
If you feel the order is unlawful, there are avenues through which to address that. But when you violate the law, you face the consequences. That's not anything new or unique to this pastor.
And comparing this to 30s Germany is utterly idiotic and an insult to those who experienced real persecution for their faith/ethnicity by the Nazis. This is a temporary order made in direct response to a once-in-a-century pandemic that applies to all such gatherings equally. This man wasn't persecuted for his beliefs. He's a political protestor trying to pass himself off as a religious martyr.
Rosa Parks was fighting actual injustice. This guy's just a selfish ***** trying to score points with those in his tribe.LIB,MR BEARS said:Why do you hate Rosa Parks?bear2be2 said:And this was basically a stunt anyway. The story says he knew he was in violation of the order and decided to hold the service in direct violation of the order anyway.Porteroso said:
Violate the law, and you usually get consequences.
A lot of people think they can break the law to serve a higher purpose, and that higher purpose is usually their own pride. If the pastor would be willing to take in a leper at his home church, I would concede maybe he is truly seeking to obey the "gather in my name" literally. But I bet he just doesn't think covid was a big enough deal to pause his in person meetings.
If you feel the order is unlawful, there are avenues through which to address that. But when you violate the law, you face the consequences. That's not anything new or unique to this pastor.
And comparing this to 30s Germany is utterly idiotic and an insult to those who experienced real persecution for their faith/ethnicity by the Nazis. This is a temporary order made in direct response to a once-in-a-century pandemic that applies to all such gatherings equally. This man wasn't persecuted for his beliefs. He's a political protestor trying to pass himself off as a religious martyr.
"actual injustice " equates to "nothing is bad enough to protest until I say it's bad enough to protest."bear2be2 said:Rosa Parks was fighting actual injustice. This guy's just a selfish ***** trying to score points with those in his tribe.LIB,MR BEARS said:Why do you hate Rosa Parks?bear2be2 said:And this was basically a stunt anyway. The story says he knew he was in violation of the order and decided to hold the service in direct violation of the order anyway.Porteroso said:
Violate the law, and you usually get consequences.
A lot of people think they can break the law to serve a higher purpose, and that higher purpose is usually their own pride. If the pastor would be willing to take in a leper at his home church, I would concede maybe he is truly seeking to obey the "gather in my name" literally. But I bet he just doesn't think covid was a big enough deal to pause his in person meetings.
If you feel the order is unlawful, there are avenues through which to address that. But when you violate the law, you face the consequences. That's not anything new or unique to this pastor.
And comparing this to 30s Germany is utterly idiotic and an insult to those who experienced real persecution for their faith/ethnicity by the Nazis. This is a temporary order made in direct response to a once-in-a-century pandemic that applies to all such gatherings equally. This man wasn't persecuted for his beliefs. He's a political protestor trying to pass himself off as a religious martyr.
And Rosa Parks and other peaceful protestors during the civil rights movement didn't cry when they were arrested. They expected to be and accepted that as a consequence of their civil disobedience.
Canon said:
For everyone's reference and to demonstrate the gestapo like tactics employed by Canada....they hunted down this peaceful OUTDOOR service using a helicopter. They are stalking this man and his congregation because of their faith.
"A police helicopter was deployed to search for and detect this gathering, and to collect evidence against Pastor Stephens of non-compliance with public health restrictions," according to a press release from the Calgary-based Justice Centre for Constitutional Freedoms, which is legally representing Stephens and other Canadian pastors being prosecuted by provincial governments. Stephens was imprisoned before in May until his legal counsel argued that the court order under which he had been arrested did not apply to him.
After first claiming in a press release that the illegal service had been held inside the locked church building, Calgary Police Service and Alberta Health Services issued a correction stating the gathering was outside but still failed to comply with current COVID-19 restrictions, according to Global News.
https://www.dailywire.com/news/give-unto-caesar-alberta-pastor-jailed-again-after-police-helicopter-finds-secret-church-gathering-officer-quotes-jesus-to-justify-arrest
In this particular case, it was one damned uppity Christian. It looks like just about everyone else managed to navigate this order without making a spectacle of themselves.LIB,MR BEARS said:"actual injustice " equates to "nothing is bad enough to protest until I say it's bad enough to protest."bear2be2 said:Rosa Parks was fighting actual injustice. This guy's just a selfish ***** trying to score points with those in his tribe.LIB,MR BEARS said:Why do you hate Rosa Parks?bear2be2 said:And this was basically a stunt anyway. The story says he knew he was in violation of the order and decided to hold the service in direct violation of the order anyway.Porteroso said:
Violate the law, and you usually get consequences.
A lot of people think they can break the law to serve a higher purpose, and that higher purpose is usually their own pride. If the pastor would be willing to take in a leper at his home church, I would concede maybe he is truly seeking to obey the "gather in my name" literally. But I bet he just doesn't think covid was a big enough deal to pause his in person meetings.
If you feel the order is unlawful, there are avenues through which to address that. But when you violate the law, you face the consequences. That's not anything new or unique to this pastor.
And comparing this to 30s Germany is utterly idiotic and an insult to those who experienced real persecution for their faith/ethnicity by the Nazis. This is a temporary order made in direct response to a once-in-a-century pandemic that applies to all such gatherings equally. This man wasn't persecuted for his beliefs. He's a political protestor trying to pass himself off as a religious martyr.
And Rosa Parks and other peaceful protestors during the civil rights movement didn't cry when they were arrested. They expected to be and accepted that as a consequence of their civil disobedience.
Damned uppitty Christians.
why is enforcement not equal?bear2be2 said:In this particular case, it was one damned uppity Christian. It looks like just about everyone else managed to navigate this order without making a spectacle of themselves.LIB,MR BEARS said:"actual injustice " equates to "nothing is bad enough to protest until I say it's bad enough to protest."bear2be2 said:Rosa Parks was fighting actual injustice. This guy's just a selfish ***** trying to score points with those in his tribe.LIB,MR BEARS said:Why do you hate Rosa Parks?bear2be2 said:And this was basically a stunt anyway. The story says he knew he was in violation of the order and decided to hold the service in direct violation of the order anyway.Porteroso said:
Violate the law, and you usually get consequences.
A lot of people think they can break the law to serve a higher purpose, and that higher purpose is usually their own pride. If the pastor would be willing to take in a leper at his home church, I would concede maybe he is truly seeking to obey the "gather in my name" literally. But I bet he just doesn't think covid was a big enough deal to pause his in person meetings.
If you feel the order is unlawful, there are avenues through which to address that. But when you violate the law, you face the consequences. That's not anything new or unique to this pastor.
And comparing this to 30s Germany is utterly idiotic and an insult to those who experienced real persecution for their faith/ethnicity by the Nazis. This is a temporary order made in direct response to a once-in-a-century pandemic that applies to all such gatherings equally. This man wasn't persecuted for his beliefs. He's a political protestor trying to pass himself off as a religious martyr.
And Rosa Parks and other peaceful protestors during the civil rights movement didn't cry when they were arrested. They expected to be and accepted that as a consequence of their civil disobedience.
Damned uppitty Christians.
But a temporary order that applies to all groups does not equal established discriminatory law based on race, ethnicity or religion. And it won't no matter how hard some you try to equate the two.
This wasn't persecution. It was a political protest. And when your protest puts you at odds with the law, you should expect to face legal consequences.
This law is not justified, nor based on data and is harmful to society. That was enough for our forefathers, civil rights and virtually every advance towards freedom.bear2be2 said:In this particular case, it was one damned uppity Christian. It looks like just about everyone else managed to navigate this order without making a spectacle of themselves.LIB,MR BEARS said:"actual injustice " equates to "nothing is bad enough to protest until I say it's bad enough to protest."bear2be2 said:Rosa Parks was fighting actual injustice. This guy's just a selfish ***** trying to score points with those in his tribe.LIB,MR BEARS said:Why do you hate Rosa Parks?bear2be2 said:And this was basically a stunt anyway. The story says he knew he was in violation of the order and decided to hold the service in direct violation of the order anyway.Porteroso said:
Violate the law, and you usually get consequences.
A lot of people think they can break the law to serve a higher purpose, and that higher purpose is usually their own pride. If the pastor would be willing to take in a leper at his home church, I would concede maybe he is truly seeking to obey the "gather in my name" literally. But I bet he just doesn't think covid was a big enough deal to pause his in person meetings.
If you feel the order is unlawful, there are avenues through which to address that. But when you violate the law, you face the consequences. That's not anything new or unique to this pastor.
And comparing this to 30s Germany is utterly idiotic and an insult to those who experienced real persecution for their faith/ethnicity by the Nazis. This is a temporary order made in direct response to a once-in-a-century pandemic that applies to all such gatherings equally. This man wasn't persecuted for his beliefs. He's a political protestor trying to pass himself off as a religious martyr.
And Rosa Parks and other peaceful protestors during the civil rights movement didn't cry when they were arrested. They expected to be and accepted that as a consequence of their civil disobedience.
Damned uppitty Christians.
But a temporary order that applies to all groups does not equal established discriminatory law based on race, ethnicity or religion. And it won't no matter how hard some you try to equate the two.
This wasn't persecution. It was a political protest. And when your protest puts you at odds with the law, you should expect to face legal consequences.
If you disagree with a law or order, there are avenues through which to address that.Doc Holliday said:This law is not justified, nor based on data and is harmful to society. That was enough for our forefathers, civil rights and virtually every advance towards freedom.bear2be2 said:In this particular case, it was one damned uppity Christian. It looks like just about everyone else managed to navigate this order without making a spectacle of themselves.LIB,MR BEARS said:"actual injustice " equates to "nothing is bad enough to protest until I say it's bad enough to protest."bear2be2 said:Rosa Parks was fighting actual injustice. This guy's just a selfish ***** trying to score points with those in his tribe.LIB,MR BEARS said:Why do you hate Rosa Parks?bear2be2 said:And this was basically a stunt anyway. The story says he knew he was in violation of the order and decided to hold the service in direct violation of the order anyway.Porteroso said:
Violate the law, and you usually get consequences.
A lot of people think they can break the law to serve a higher purpose, and that higher purpose is usually their own pride. If the pastor would be willing to take in a leper at his home church, I would concede maybe he is truly seeking to obey the "gather in my name" literally. But I bet he just doesn't think covid was a big enough deal to pause his in person meetings.
If you feel the order is unlawful, there are avenues through which to address that. But when you violate the law, you face the consequences. That's not anything new or unique to this pastor.
And comparing this to 30s Germany is utterly idiotic and an insult to those who experienced real persecution for their faith/ethnicity by the Nazis. This is a temporary order made in direct response to a once-in-a-century pandemic that applies to all such gatherings equally. This man wasn't persecuted for his beliefs. He's a political protestor trying to pass himself off as a religious martyr.
And Rosa Parks and other peaceful protestors during the civil rights movement didn't cry when they were arrested. They expected to be and accepted that as a consequence of their civil disobedience.
Damned uppitty Christians.
But a temporary order that applies to all groups does not equal established discriminatory law based on race, ethnicity or religion. And it won't no matter how hard some you try to equate the two.
This wasn't persecution. It was a political protest. And when your protest puts you at odds with the law, you should expect to face legal consequences.
Is there any point where law/government is too extreme for you, or do you lick the boot for any decree?
I don't necessarily disagree with the justification of this particular order at this point, but the law is the law.Forest Bueller_bf said:
With a per capita death rate of .000685 in Canada and now 61% of Canadians being partially vaccinated and 71% of those 12 and over this is just stupid at this point.
Absolutely government overreach.
The service was outside, there would be virtually a 0% chance of spreading the illness in that setting.
Yea, I'm all for following the law. Not stupid meaningless laws.
Let each individual at this point determine the amount of risk they wish to take. Nobody is being forced to attend services. It seem to be voluntary. Don't feel safe, don't go. Feel safe go.
And if this clown has been a Muslim and pulled this stunt, who would the outrage be directed at?bear2be2 said:And this was basically a stunt anyway. The story says he knew he was in violation of the order and decided to hold the service in direct violation of the order anyway.Porteroso said:
Violate the law, and you usually get consequences.
A lot of people think they can break the law to serve a higher purpose, and that higher purpose is usually their own pride. If the pastor would be willing to take in a leper at his home church, I would concede maybe he is truly seeking to obey the "gather in my name" literally. But I bet he just doesn't think covid was a big enough deal to pause his in person meetings.
If you feel the order is unlawful, there are avenues through which to address that. But when you violate the law, you face the consequences. That's not anything new or unique to this pastor.
And comparing this to 30s Germany is utterly idiotic and an insult to those who experienced real persecution for their faith/ethnicity by the Nazis. This is a temporary order made in direct response to a once-in-a-century pandemic that applies to all such gatherings equally. This man wasn't persecuted for his beliefs. He's a political protestor trying to pass himself off as a religious martyr.
I'm confused. Was it weak sauce for Rosa or not? Is it only weak sauce for this guy? Is it wrong to protest while things are still minor or should people wait until many are in jail, many are on back of the bus, many are aborted, many are enslaved? You see all of these items fall/fell within the law and all of these items, in my opinion, are wrong.bear2be2 said:I don't necessarily disagree with the justification of this particular order at this point, but the law is the law.Forest Bueller_bf said:
With a per capita death rate of .000685 in Canada and now 61% of Canadians being partially vaccinated and 71% of those 12 and over this is just stupid at this point.
Absolutely government overreach.
The service was outside, there would be virtually a 0% chance of spreading the illness in that setting.
Yea, I'm all for following the law. Not stupid meaningless laws.
Let each individual at this point determine the amount of risk they wish to take. Nobody is being forced to attend services. It seem to be voluntary. Don't feel safe, don't go. Feel safe go.
Until it's lifted/loosened, you either follow it or accept the consequences of not following it.
This dude was warned not to violate the order and knew the consequences of violating it. When you knowingly break the rules, even rules you disagree with, you should expect to face the consequences. Choosing to cry persecution when you're held to the same standards most others would be is weak sauce.
from me, at the Canadian government. It doesn't take a legal scholar to understand that anything used against one group can be used against another at the whim of those in power.J.B.Katz said:And if this clown has been a Muslim and pulled this stunt, who would the outrage be directed at?bear2be2 said:And this was basically a stunt anyway. The story says he knew he was in violation of the order and decided to hold the service in direct violation of the order anyway.Porteroso said:
Violate the law, and you usually get consequences.
A lot of people think they can break the law to serve a higher purpose, and that higher purpose is usually their own pride. If the pastor would be willing to take in a leper at his home church, I would concede maybe he is truly seeking to obey the "gather in my name" literally. But I bet he just doesn't think covid was a big enough deal to pause his in person meetings.
If you feel the order is unlawful, there are avenues through which to address that. But when you violate the law, you face the consequences. That's not anything new or unique to this pastor.
And comparing this to 30s Germany is utterly idiotic and an insult to those who experienced real persecution for their faith/ethnicity by the Nazis. This is a temporary order made in direct response to a once-in-a-century pandemic that applies to all such gatherings equally. This man wasn't persecuted for his beliefs. He's a political protestor trying to pass himself off as a religious martyr.
Vaccines and abortion are apples and oranges-inconvenient for both sides of the debate over both.LIB,MR BEARS said:from me, at the Canadian government. It doesn't take a legal scholar to understand that anything used against one group can be used against another at the whim of those in power.J.B.Katz said:And if this clown has been a Muslim and pulled this stunt, who would the outrage be directed at?bear2be2 said:And this was basically a stunt anyway. The story says he knew he was in violation of the order and decided to hold the service in direct violation of the order anyway.Porteroso said:
Violate the law, and you usually get consequences.
A lot of people think they can break the law to serve a higher purpose, and that higher purpose is usually their own pride. If the pastor would be willing to take in a leper at his home church, I would concede maybe he is truly seeking to obey the "gather in my name" literally. But I bet he just doesn't think covid was a big enough deal to pause his in person meetings.
If you feel the order is unlawful, there are avenues through which to address that. But when you violate the law, you face the consequences. That's not anything new or unique to this pastor.
And comparing this to 30s Germany is utterly idiotic and an insult to those who experienced real persecution for their faith/ethnicity by the Nazis. This is a temporary order made in direct response to a once-in-a-century pandemic that applies to all such gatherings equally. This man wasn't persecuted for his beliefs. He's a political protestor trying to pass himself off as a religious martyr.
My body, my choice is a great example of why situational ethics sucks. Pro choice libs love it when it's used for pro-choice but hate it when it's used for vaccines.
That's EXACTLY what took place during the civil rights era.bear2be2 said:Believing or pretending you're above those consequences or that the law shouldn't apply to you because you disagree with it is absurd.Doc Holliday said:This law is not justified, nor based on data and is harmful to society. That was enough for our forefathers, civil rights and virtually every advance towards freedom.bear2be2 said:In this particular case, it was one damned uppity Christian. It looks like just about everyone else managed to navigate this order without making a spectacle of themselves.LIB,MR BEARS said:"actual injustice " equates to "nothing is bad enough to protest until I say it's bad enough to protest."bear2be2 said:Rosa Parks was fighting actual injustice. This guy's just a selfish ***** trying to score points with those in his tribe.LIB,MR BEARS said:Why do you hate Rosa Parks?bear2be2 said:And this was basically a stunt anyway. The story says he knew he was in violation of the order and decided to hold the service in direct violation of the order anyway.Porteroso said:
Violate the law, and you usually get consequences.
A lot of people think they can break the law to serve a higher purpose, and that higher purpose is usually their own pride. If the pastor would be willing to take in a leper at his home church, I would concede maybe he is truly seeking to obey the "gather in my name" literally. But I bet he just doesn't think covid was a big enough deal to pause his in person meetings.
If you feel the order is unlawful, there are avenues through which to address that. But when you violate the law, you face the consequences. That's not anything new or unique to this pastor.
And comparing this to 30s Germany is utterly idiotic and an insult to those who experienced real persecution for their faith/ethnicity by the Nazis. This is a temporary order made in direct response to a once-in-a-century pandemic that applies to all such gatherings equally. This man wasn't persecuted for his beliefs. He's a political protestor trying to pass himself off as a religious martyr.
And Rosa Parks and other peaceful protestors during the civil rights movement didn't cry when they were arrested. They expected to be and accepted that as a consequence of their civil disobedience.
Damned uppitty Christians.
But a temporary order that applies to all groups does not equal established discriminatory law based on race, ethnicity or religion. And it won't no matter how hard some you try to equate the two.
This wasn't persecution. It was a political protest. And when your protest puts you at odds with the law, you should expect to face legal consequences.
Is there any point where law/government is too extreme for you, or do you lick the boot for any decree?
J.B.Katz said:
Vaccines have a clear public health benefit.
J.B.Katz said:
The antivax movement has brought back measles and now threatens our ability to bounce back from COVID.
LIB,MR BEARS said:I'm confused. Was it weak sauce for Rosa or not? Is it only weak sauce for this guy? Is it wrong to protest while things are still minor or should people wait until many are in jail, many are on back of the bus, many are aborted, many are enslaved? You see all of these items fall/fell within the law and all of these items, in my opinion, are wrong.bear2be2 said:I don't necessarily disagree with the justification of this particular order at this point, but the law is the law.Forest Bueller_bf said:
With a per capita death rate of .000685 in Canada and now 61% of Canadians being partially vaccinated and 71% of those 12 and over this is just stupid at this point.
Absolutely government overreach.
The service was outside, there would be virtually a 0% chance of spreading the illness in that setting.
Yea, I'm all for following the law. Not stupid meaningless laws.
Let each individual at this point determine the amount of risk they wish to take. Nobody is being forced to attend services. It seem to be voluntary. Don't feel safe, don't go. Feel safe go.
Until it's lifted/loosened, you either follow it or accept the consequences of not following it.
This dude was warned not to violate the order and knew the consequences of violating it. When you knowingly break the rules, even rules you disagree with, you should expect to face the consequences. Choosing to cry persecution when you're held to the same standards most others would be is weak sauce.
I don't think he's capable of drawing a red line in regards to law.LIB,MR BEARS said:I'm confused. Was it weak sauce for Rosa or not? Is it only weak sauce for this guy? Is it wrong to protest while things are still minor or should people wait until many are in jail, many are on back of the bus, many are aborted, many are enslaved? You see all of these items fall/fell within the law and all of these items, in my opinion, are wrong.bear2be2 said:I don't necessarily disagree with the justification of this particular order at this point, but the law is the law.Forest Bueller_bf said:
With a per capita death rate of .000685 in Canada and now 61% of Canadians being partially vaccinated and 71% of those 12 and over this is just stupid at this point.
Absolutely government overreach.
The service was outside, there would be virtually a 0% chance of spreading the illness in that setting.
Yea, I'm all for following the law. Not stupid meaningless laws.
Let each individual at this point determine the amount of risk they wish to take. Nobody is being forced to attend services. It seem to be voluntary. Don't feel safe, don't go. Feel safe go.
Until it's lifted/loosened, you either follow it or accept the consequences of not following it.
This dude was warned not to violate the order and knew the consequences of violating it. When you knowingly break the rules, even rules you disagree with, you should expect to face the consequences. Choosing to cry persecution when you're held to the same standards most others would be is weak sauce.
Doc Holliday said:That's EXACTLY what took place during the civil rights era.bear2be2 said:Believing or pretending you're above those consequences or that the law shouldn't apply to you because you disagree with it is absurd.Doc Holliday said:This law is not justified, nor based on data and is harmful to society. That was enough for our forefathers, civil rights and virtually every advance towards freedom.bear2be2 said:In this particular case, it was one damned uppity Christian. It looks like just about everyone else managed to navigate this order without making a spectacle of themselves.LIB,MR BEARS said:"actual injustice " equates to "nothing is bad enough to protest until I say it's bad enough to protest."bear2be2 said:Rosa Parks was fighting actual injustice. This guy's just a selfish ***** trying to score points with those in his tribe.LIB,MR BEARS said:Why do you hate Rosa Parks?bear2be2 said:And this was basically a stunt anyway. The story says he knew he was in violation of the order and decided to hold the service in direct violation of the order anyway.Porteroso said:
Violate the law, and you usually get consequences.
A lot of people think they can break the law to serve a higher purpose, and that higher purpose is usually their own pride. If the pastor would be willing to take in a leper at his home church, I would concede maybe he is truly seeking to obey the "gather in my name" literally. But I bet he just doesn't think covid was a big enough deal to pause his in person meetings.
If you feel the order is unlawful, there are avenues through which to address that. But when you violate the law, you face the consequences. That's not anything new or unique to this pastor.
And comparing this to 30s Germany is utterly idiotic and an insult to those who experienced real persecution for their faith/ethnicity by the Nazis. This is a temporary order made in direct response to a once-in-a-century pandemic that applies to all such gatherings equally. This man wasn't persecuted for his beliefs. He's a political protestor trying to pass himself off as a religious martyr.
And Rosa Parks and other peaceful protestors during the civil rights movement didn't cry when they were arrested. They expected to be and accepted that as a consequence of their civil disobedience.
Damned uppitty Christians.
But a temporary order that applies to all groups does not equal established discriminatory law based on race, ethnicity or religion. And it won't no matter how hard some you try to equate the two.
This wasn't persecution. It was a political protest. And when your protest puts you at odds with the law, you should expect to face legal consequences.
Is there any point where law/government is too extreme for you, or do you lick the boot for any decree?
Maybe you don't appreciate the value and importance of worship for practicing Christians? Are you a practicing Christian?bear2be2 said:LIB,MR BEARS said:I'm confused. Was it weak sauce for Rosa or not? Is it only weak sauce for this guy? Is it wrong to protest while things are still minor or should people wait until many are in jail, many are on back of the bus, many are aborted, many are enslaved? You see all of these items fall/fell within the law and all of these items, in my opinion, are wrong.bear2be2 said:I don't necessarily disagree with the justification of this particular order at this point, but the law is the law.Forest Bueller_bf said:
With a per capita death rate of .000685 in Canada and now 61% of Canadians being partially vaccinated and 71% of those 12 and over this is just stupid at this point.
Absolutely government overreach.
The service was outside, there would be virtually a 0% chance of spreading the illness in that setting.
Yea, I'm all for following the law. Not stupid meaningless laws.
Let each individual at this point determine the amount of risk they wish to take. Nobody is being forced to attend services. It seem to be voluntary. Don't feel safe, don't go. Feel safe go.
Until it's lifted/loosened, you either follow it or accept the consequences of not following it.
This dude was warned not to violate the order and knew the consequences of violating it. When you knowingly break the rules, even rules you disagree with, you should expect to face the consequences. Choosing to cry persecution when you're held to the same standards most others would be is weak sauce.
You're clearly failing to grasp a fairly obvious distinction here. Ignoring completely the causes (and the fairly wide disparity in justification between them IMO), Rosa Parks and those like her didn't cry victim when faced with the consequences of their protests. They weighed that into their decision to protest and decided their cause was worth the personal sacrifice.
That this guy wants to protest by violating the order isn't the issue. If he feels strongly enough about it, fine. I think he's being melodramatic, but that's beside the point. The issue is that he wants to violate the order without any of the consequences that come with that. He's acting like an entitled child and trying to pass himself off as a victim.
Rosa Parks didn't need to broadcast that she was a victim of injustice to be accepted by contemporaries and eventually history as one. Her cause and actions spoke for themselves. This guy likely thinks this is his Rosa Parks moment, but he's sadly mistaken.
This preacher knew he'd be punished by existing COVID law.bear2be2 said:Doc Holliday said:That's EXACTLY what took place during the civil rights era.bear2be2 said:Believing or pretending you're above those consequences or that the law shouldn't apply to you because you disagree with it is absurd.Doc Holliday said:This law is not justified, nor based on data and is harmful to society. That was enough for our forefathers, civil rights and virtually every advance towards freedom.bear2be2 said:In this particular case, it was one damned uppity Christian. It looks like just about everyone else managed to navigate this order without making a spectacle of themselves.LIB,MR BEARS said:"actual injustice " equates to "nothing is bad enough to protest until I say it's bad enough to protest."bear2be2 said:Rosa Parks was fighting actual injustice. This guy's just a selfish ***** trying to score points with those in his tribe.LIB,MR BEARS said:Why do you hate Rosa Parks?bear2be2 said:And this was basically a stunt anyway. The story says he knew he was in violation of the order and decided to hold the service in direct violation of the order anyway.Porteroso said:
Violate the law, and you usually get consequences.
A lot of people think they can break the law to serve a higher purpose, and that higher purpose is usually their own pride. If the pastor would be willing to take in a leper at his home church, I would concede maybe he is truly seeking to obey the "gather in my name" literally. But I bet he just doesn't think covid was a big enough deal to pause his in person meetings.
If you feel the order is unlawful, there are avenues through which to address that. But when you violate the law, you face the consequences. That's not anything new or unique to this pastor.
And comparing this to 30s Germany is utterly idiotic and an insult to those who experienced real persecution for their faith/ethnicity by the Nazis. This is a temporary order made in direct response to a once-in-a-century pandemic that applies to all such gatherings equally. This man wasn't persecuted for his beliefs. He's a political protestor trying to pass himself off as a religious martyr.
And Rosa Parks and other peaceful protestors during the civil rights movement didn't cry when they were arrested. They expected to be and accepted that as a consequence of their civil disobedience.
Damned uppitty Christians.
But a temporary order that applies to all groups does not equal established discriminatory law based on race, ethnicity or religion. And it won't no matter how hard some you try to equate the two.
This wasn't persecution. It was a political protest. And when your protest puts you at odds with the law, you should expect to face legal consequences.
Is there any point where law/government is too extreme for you, or do you lick the boot for any decree?
No it's not. Civil rights activists knew and accepted that they'd be punished according to the existing law. They determined that that sacrifice was justified in their effort to change laws they felt were unjust.