Has the Clock Started?

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Oldbear83
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"But, when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same object, evinces a design to reduce them under absolute despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such government, and to provide new guards for their future security."

What form, what spark, what limit?

That which does not kill me, will try again and get nastier
Porteroso
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This is typical democracy at work. Trump almost sparked a need for action, when he had conversations about using the National Guard to force states to throw out their results, but in the end, the generals refused. They were so adamant that their refusal to become politically involved enabled the Jan. 6 insurrection, the day they were asked to police the protest-turned-riot.

We often romanticize the politics of the past, for a variety of reasons, foremost because the victor writes the history, and rarely spends time giving the loser, or the battle, its fair due. But we have had these struggles many times, even if we rarely remember. Presidents and Congresses have grievously abused their power, over and over.

If there is anything new about the abuses of power today, it is our willingness to be victims, our lack of pride. America is more and more willing to whine and cry about perceived slights. I may be romanticizing the past, but it seems past Americans fought through injustices, only giving them the thought they needed to defeat them. MLK did not spend much time complaining about the media's treatment of him, or what the government was doing to undermine his movement. He certainly addressed those issues, but he was always pushing forward, dishing out a consistent message, no matter the opposition. He saw a united America in the future, and worked towards that.

Both political parties today seem to only see division. Because there is only good and evil, there is no desire to compromise, or work together, so they work to injure the other, and get everything they want. Instead of pushing forward, they spend time on their victimhood, creating massive injuries out of thin air. Politically, we are more or less at a stalemate, but the rhetoric paints a very different picture, each side believing itself to be the true Americans, the other working to destroy humanity.

We need to wonder, why is it that our politicians seek to divide us so? What does the government gain when it is at a stalemate, and the people hate each other?
geewago
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There's only a small percentage of people left in this country who can even see what is happening to them much less have the guts to do anything about it. Through tactics of fear the government is slowly leading the sheeple over the cliff. I used to think love and money were the two strongest forces in this world. And they were. But now abideth love, money and fear, but the greatest of these is fear.
RD2WINAGNBEAR86
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January 6th was a rowdy, "mostly peaceful protest" other than the unarmed female protester being murdered by the Capitol policemen. Should the Dems steal another election, you people will see what a real insurrection looks like.
"Never underestimate Joe's ability to **** things up!"

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Sam Lowry
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A violent but mostly peaceful insurrection.
Oldbear83
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One thing Trump got right, is that there is a Deep State, millions of professionals who make government work, but which sees change and reform as a threat to their own interests.

We do not need, for example, the Pentagon, and the massive bureaucracy of weapons procurement, in order to have a proper defense of our nation. The EPA has become bloated and is quick to create crisis in order to justify expansion of its role and powers. The CDC showed its own hubris in the past year by ordering moratoriums on apartment evictions, even though the CDC has no authority to do so (the SCOTUS ruled that such powers belong exclusively to Congress, and cannot be delegated to an agency much less claimed on their own wish by one).

We have federal agencies to do all manner of functions, many far outside any reasonable interpretation of Constitutionality.

We have reached the point where the federal government plainly does not care about anything other than getting what they want. That's the case whether its Republicans running a 19-year war in Afghanistan or Democrats trying to destroy the Oil & Gas Industry. And regardless of party, good luck trying to speak to your Congressional Representative or Senator about it, unless you work for one of their big-money donors.

The system is hopelessly corrupt.
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Sam Lowry
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Oldbear83 said:

We have reached the point where the federal government plainly does not care about anything other than getting what they want.
Maybe we're getting better representation than we think.
Wrecks Quan Dough
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Oldbear83 said:

"But, when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same object, evinces a design to reduce them under absolute despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such government, and to provide new guards for their future security."

What form, what spark, what limit?



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Sam Lowry said:

Oldbear83 said:

We have reached the point where the federal government plainly does not care about anything other than getting what they want.
Maybe we're getting better representation than we think.
Do you live in Pelosi's district?
muddybrazos
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We are definitely an empire in decline. I'm not sure what is coming next but I hope it's an amicable split rather than some sort of violent one.
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geewago said:

There's only a small percentage of people left in this country who can even see what is happening to them much less have the guts to do anything about it. Through tactics of fear the government is slowly leading the sheeple over the cliff. I used to think love and money were the two strongest forces in this world. And they were. But now abideth love, money and fear, but the greatest of these is fear.
Fear has always been the strongest force....throughout all of human history .
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Democracy and Elections are two separate things. They are not one in the same.

Democracy is the foundation upon which elections are built on top of.



Suppose elections are tampered with or publicly vilified or otherwise put into question, doubt, or suspicion by a small group of people.



Perceiving there to be fraud, the public's confidence in democracy begins to be shaken


Neighbors become suspicious of each other and citizens blame one another. If these fissures become too great, eventually the bottom of the pyramid will crumble



with the pyramid broken, the pieces are flipped


The result when the pyramid is inverted.



But notice for the pyramid to be flipped, it is not sufficient simply for the election to be fraudulent, public support for Democracy itself must first crumble.

Therefore in response to a questionable election, in order to prevent fissures from forming we must resist the urge to begin fighting amongst ourselves and instead join arms with our neighbors to build a firewall in support of democracy, even if the election does not go our way.

It is more important to preserve a collective voice in support of democracy than it is to have any particular election go our way, even if there is fraud.



Of course we don't want fraud in an election. But do this and likely your neighbor, who may even be from the opposite political persuasion may very well join arms with you as well. His politics can eventually be changed with sufficient reasoning and good arguments. You do not need to go to war with him to fix the problem.

Any voice that stands in support of this you should consider your ally.

Elections can be fixed, fraud is temporary, and cannot survive forever if the base of the pyramid stands firm. The provocateurs and instigators will eventually be caught or otherwise rendered irrelevant.

Bringing back democracy once it's gone is much harder.

Don't let one "bad" election destroy your faith in the basic concept of democracy.

Hold the line





Oldbear83
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How do we know there was only one 'bad' election?

Also, cool graphics but your explanation is not really consistent with History. Mexico, for example, kept one party in power for most of a century by convincing their citizens they needed to trust their system no matter what.

That's pretty much what kept the USSR going between 1969 and 1989, too.

And need I mention that our little disagreement with King George led to a very good and important change in systems, one which did not 'flip the pyramid' but instead righted a great many wrongs?
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Canon
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Sam Lowry said:

A violent but mostly peaceful insurrection.


Only irrational morons call 6 January an insurrection. They are the same people who think chocolate lava cake is made with actual lava.
Johnny Bear
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Canon said:

Sam Lowry said:

A violent but mostly peaceful insurrection.


Only irrational morons call 6 January an insurrection. They are the same people who think chocolate lava cake is made with actual lava.

And they're the same irrational morons who actually believe dementia Joe Biden legitimately received the most votes by far in the history of Presidential elections.
Johnny Bear
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Oldbear83 said:

One thing Trump got right, is that there is a Deep State, millions of professionals who make government work, but which sees change and reform as a threat to their own interests.


IMO this is the biggest single reason for the otherwise irrational, visceral Trump hate that's ben on display since he declared his original POTUS candidacy in 2015. He exposed them for what they really are and for what their true motivations are like no other POTUS ever has, even including Reagan. The hatred was so intense it motivated them to get rid of him by whatever means were necessary - hence the rigged election of 2020.
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Johnny Bear said:

Canon said:

Sam Lowry said:

A violent but mostly peaceful insurrection.


Only irrational morons call 6 January an insurrection. They are the same people who think chocolate lava cake is made with actual lava.

And they're the same irrational morons who actually believe dementia Joe Biden legitimately received the most votes by far in the history of Presidential elections.

Why Republicans keep insisting that is beyond me. First of all, there were more citizens of the US this past election, than ever before, by the millions. Second, the percentage of eligible voters that voted was significantly short of our all time high. Third, Trump was probably the most divisive President we've had.

It's not hard to understand why more people voted than in recent memory. But it is hard to understand why so many lies and mistruths keep being spewed by Republicans, when the courts have thrown them out. "But some guy named Tucker says mail-in ballots are all fraud" seems to be the general argument, and it's just pathetic.
muddybrazos
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The results of the election are now irrelevant at this point. In the past 7 months we have moved so far down the road to becoming like China that it's scary. We have boomer protesters locked up since January for takng selfies in the capitol after the fbi created a false flag attack, we are attempting to require every citizen to show a passport to go to applebees (we all know this is just the precursor to social credit system), our borders are wide open to anyone with any disesase or criminal record, this regime is threatening more lockdowns after we know those do nothing but destroy small businesses, landlords are being forced to sell their rental property (mostly to huge coporations) bc their tenants don't have to pay rent, inflation is through the roof and our gov't is attempting to spend several trillion more dollars. I also forgot to add that if you speak out and say anything controversial about covid or the election on social media that your post gets memory holed.

Just looking at what's going on in Australia and Canada i can only gues we are a couple years behind them from full blown police state. At least we still have our guns for now.
Johnny Bear
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Porteroso said:

Johnny Bear said:

Canon said:

Sam Lowry said:

A violent but mostly peaceful insurrection.


Only irrational morons call 6 January an insurrection. They are the same people who think chocolate lava cake is made with actual lava.

And they're the same irrational morons who actually believe dementia Joe Biden legitimately received the most votes by far in the history of Presidential elections.

Why Republicans keep insisting that is beyond me. First of all, there were more citizens of the US this past election, than ever before, by the millions. Second, the percentage of eligible voters that voted was significantly short of our all time high. Third, Trump was probably the most divisive President we've had.

It's not hard to understand why more people voted than in recent memory. But it is hard to understand why so many lies and mistruths keep being spewed by Republicans, when the courts have thrown them out. "But some guy named Tucker says mail-in ballots are all fraud" seems to be the general argument, and it's just pathetic.

LOL! Yeah, right. Why dimcrats are apparently devoid of basic common sense and unable to comprehend things like the multiple anomalies about that election that have effectively 0% statistical probabilities of occurring is hard to understand other than pure raw hatred can make you believe that the end justifies the means. And successfully intimidated judges and justices who chose to simply let the crimes stand rather than risk unleashing the violent Antifa and BLM thug rent a mobs your side condones and supports isn't somehow "proof" that evidence backed charges of election fraud are bogus. That's what's REALLY pathetic and disgusting.

And as far as divisive Presidents go, nobody holds a candle to Barry Obummer, or the current near brain dead puppet that illegitimately resides at the White House.
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Porteroso said:

This is typical democracy at work. Trump almost sparked a need for action, when he had conversations about using the National Guard to force states to throw out their results, but in the end, the generals refused. They were so adamant that their refusal to become politically involved enabled the Jan. 6 insurrection, the day they were asked to police the protest-turned-riot.

We often romanticize the politics of the past, for a variety of reasons, foremost because the victor writes the history, and rarely spends time giving the loser, or the battle, its fair due. But we have had these struggles many times, even if we rarely remember. Presidents and Congresses have grievously abused their power, over and over.

If there is anything new about the abuses of power today, it is our willingness to be victims, our lack of pride. America is more and more willing to whine and cry about perceived slights. I may be romanticizing the past, but it seems past Americans fought through injustices, only giving them the thought they needed to defeat them. MLK did not spend much time complaining about the media's treatment of him, or what the government was doing to undermine his movement. He certainly addressed those issues, but he was always pushing forward, dishing out a consistent message, no matter the opposition. He saw a united America in the future, and worked towards that.

Both political parties today seem to only see division. Because there is only good and evil, there is no desire to compromise, or work together, so they work to injure the other, and get everything they want. Instead of pushing forward, they spend time on their victimhood, creating massive injuries out of thin air. Politically, we are more or less at a stalemate, but the rhetoric paints a very different picture, each side believing itself to be the true Americans, the other working to destroy humanity.

We need to wonder, why is it that our politicians seek to divide us so? What does the government gain when it is at a stalemate, and the people hate each other?
Power, They gain power.
The battle is not yours, but God's.
2 Chronicles 20:15
quash
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Johnny Bear said:

Canon said:

Sam Lowry said:

A violent but mostly peaceful insurrection.


Only irrational morons call 6 January an insurrection. They are the same people who think chocolate lava cake is made with actual lava.

And they're the same irrational morons who actually believe dementia Joe Biden legitimately received the most votes by far in the history of Presidential elections.

You keep calling me the moron while failing to meet your burden of proof.

The election was legit. Disputes, in a country that follows the rule of law, are resolved in court. Dozens and dozens of courts have upheld the results of the election. Maybe the next case will be successful but even the campaign is no longer funding the effort. It does continue to fund raise using the Big Lie and has crossed the $100 million mark.
“Life, liberty, and property do not exist because men have made laws. On the contrary, it was the fact that life, liberty, and property existed beforehand that caused men to make laws in the first place.” (The Law, p.6) Frederic Bastiat
Oldbear83
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Fascinating to see both ends dig into absurd positions. The far Right insisting the election was stolen since Trump lost, and the far Left denying there were some damn strange things straining credulity in several key states.

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Porteroso said:

Johnny Bear said:

Canon said:

Sam Lowry said:

A violent but mostly peaceful insurrection.


Only irrational morons call 6 January an insurrection. They are the same people who think chocolate lava cake is made with actual lava.

And they're the same irrational morons who actually believe dementia Joe Biden legitimately received the most votes by far in the history of Presidential elections.

Why Republicans keep insisting that is beyond me. First of all, there were more citizens of the US this past election, than ever before, by the millions. Second, the percentage of eligible voters that voted was significantly short of our all time high. Third, Trump was probably the most divisive President we've had.

It's not hard to understand why more people voted than in recent memory. But it is hard to understand why so many lies and mistruths keep being spewed by Republicans, when the courts have thrown them out. "But some guy named Tucker says mail-in ballots are all fraud" seems to be the general argument, and it's just pathetic.
What makes you think the actions of courts are some sort of supporting evidence for your claims?
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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

January 6th was a rowdy, "mostly peaceful protest" other than the unarmed female protester being murdered by the Capitol policemen. Should the Dems steal another election, you people will see what a real insurrection looks like.
This is an insane lie.
Wrecks Quan Dough
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C. Jordan said:

RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

January 6th was a rowdy, "mostly peaceful protest" other than the unarmed female protester being murdered by the Capitol policemen. Should the Dems steal another election, you people will see what a real insurrection looks like.
This is an insane lie.
What part?
C. Jordan
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Oldbear83 said:

One thing Trump got right, is that there is a Deep State, millions of professionals who make government work, but which sees change and reform as a threat to their own interests.

We do not need, for example, the Pentagon, and the massive bureaucracy of weapons procurement, in order to have a proper defense of our nation. The EPA has become bloated and is quick to create crisis in order to justify expansion of its role and powers. The CDC showed its own hubris in the past year by ordering moratoriums on apartment evictions, even though the CDC has no authority to do so (the SCOTUS ruled that such powers belong exclusively to Congress, and cannot be delegated to an agency much less claimed on their own wish by one).

We have federal agencies to do all manner of functions, many far outside any reasonable interpretation of Constitutionality.

We have reached the point where the federal government plainly does not care about anything other than getting what they want. That's the case whether its Republicans running a 19-year war in Afghanistan or Democrats trying to destroy the Oil & Gas Industry. And regardless of party, good luck trying to speak to your Congressional Representative or Senator about it, unless you work for one of their big-money donors.

The system is hopelessly corrupt.
Thankfully, the machinery of the state held, otherwise Trump would have been successful in pulling off the coup he was attempting.

I agree there's corruption among some. But I'm deeply thankful for courageous people in government who stood against Trump's tyranny.
C. Jordan
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Carlos Cruz said:

C. Jordan said:

RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

January 6th was a rowdy, "mostly peaceful protest" other than the unarmed female protester being murdered by the Capitol policemen. Should the Dems steal another election, you people will see what a real insurrection looks like.
This is an insane lie.
What part?
All of it.

First, the assault on the capital was NOT a mostly peaceful protest.

Second, Ashli Babbitt wasn't murdered. She was killed attempting to breach security. The lives of our elected representatives were at stake.

Third, the election wasn't stolen.

So 3 lies.
Wrecks Quan Dough
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C. Jordan said:

Carlos Cruz said:

C. Jordan said:

RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

January 6th was a rowdy, "mostly peaceful protest" other than the unarmed female protester being murdered by the Capitol policemen. Should the Dems steal another election, you people will see what a real insurrection looks like.
This is an insane lie.
What part?
All of it.

First, the assault on the capital was NOT a mostly peaceful protest.

Second, Ashli Babbitt wasn't murdered. She was killed attempting to breach security. The lives of our elected representatives were at stake.

Third, the election wasn't stolen.

So 3 lies.
January 6th was mostly peaceful. Tens of thousands were present. Only a couple of hundred were arrested.

Ashli Babbitt did not pose a threat to anyone's life. If breaching security is a license to shoot at people, then woe to the next group of people who try to pull down a goal post or trespass on the White House lawn.

Joe Biden may or may not have been legitimately elected. Either way, we are stuck with him for three and half more years. Or at least I hope he makes it because the two who are behind him right now are worse options than he is.
C. Jordan
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Carlos Cruz said:

C. Jordan said:

Carlos Cruz said:

C. Jordan said:

RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

January 6th was a rowdy, "mostly peaceful protest" other than the unarmed female protester being murdered by the Capitol policemen. Should the Dems steal another election, you people will see what a real insurrection looks like.
This is an insane lie.
What part?
All of it.

First, the assault on the capital was NOT a mostly peaceful protest.

Second, Ashli Babbitt wasn't murdered. She was killed attempting to breach security. The lives of our elected representatives were at stake.

Third, the election wasn't stolen.

So 3 lies.
January 6th was mostly peaceful. Tens of thousands were present. Only a couple of hundred were arrested.

Ashli Babbitt did not pose a threat to anyone's life. If breaching security is a license to shoot at people, then woe to the next group of people who try to pull down a goal post or trespass on the White House lawn.

Joe Biden may or may not have been legitimately elected. Either way, we are stuck with him for three and half more years. Or at least I hope he makes it because the two who are behind him right now are worse options than he is.
No it wasn't mostly peaceful. You're trying to gaslight me by telling me I didn't see what I saw. It's not going to work. You can repeat a lie as often as you want, but it still won't be true. Your number was way off. At least 400 were arrested in 40 states, and counting. And they're still looking for people.

How were officers supposed to know Babbitt was no threat to anyone? She could see the guns drawn, but was determined to go through anyway. And what if others poured through after her? Even if she was no threat, many of them surely were. Besides, the shooting was investigated and declared to be a righteous shoot.

If you want to blame someone for Ashli's death, blame Donald Trump, who enflamed her and others with his repeated lies that the election was stolen. Her blood is on his hands, along with everyone else who died because of that day, including the officers who committed suicide after.

Biden was legitimately elected. More gaslighting. State courts, federal courts, FBI, DHS, DOJ, and more have all declared he was and that there was no significant voter fraud.
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C. Jordan said:

Carlos Cruz said:

C. Jordan said:

Carlos Cruz said:

C. Jordan said:

RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

January 6th was a rowdy, "mostly peaceful protest" other than the unarmed female protester being murdered by the Capitol policemen. Should the Dems steal another election, you people will see what a real insurrection looks like.
This is an insane lie.
What part?
All of it.

First, the assault on the capital was NOT a mostly peaceful protest.

Second, Ashli Babbitt wasn't murdered. She was killed attempting to breach security. The lives of our elected representatives were at stake.

Third, the election wasn't stolen.

So 3 lies.
January 6th was mostly peaceful. Tens of thousands were present. Only a couple of hundred were arrested.

Ashli Babbitt did not pose a threat to anyone's life. If breaching security is a license to shoot at people, then woe to the next group of people who try to pull down a goal post or trespass on the White House lawn.

Joe Biden may or may not have been legitimately elected. Either way, we are stuck with him for three and half more years. Or at least I hope he makes it because the two who are behind him right now are worse options than he is.
No it wasn't mostly peaceful. You're trying to gaslight me by telling me I didn't see what I saw. It's not going to work. You can repeat a lie as often as you want, but it still won't be true. Your number was way off. At least 400 were arrested in 40 states, and counting. And they're still looking for people.

How were officers supposed to know Babbitt was no threat to anyone? She could see the guns drawn, but was determined to go through anyway. And what if others poured through after her? Even if she was no threat, many of them surely were. Besides, the shooting was investigated and declared to be a righteous shoot.

If you want to blame someone for Ashli's death, blame Donald Trump, who enflamed her and others with his repeated lies that the election was stolen. Her blood is on his hands, along with everyone else who died because of that day, including the officers who committed suicide after.

Biden was legitimately elected. More gaslighting. State courts, federal courts, FBI, DHS, DOJ, and more have all declared he was and that there was no significant voter fraud.
In sum, the Orange Man is bad and you can shoot someone in broad daylight even if they are not posing a reasonable threat to your life at the moment. You don't need to be gaslighted. You are sufficiently indoctrinated that the facts will not move you.
quash
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Carlos Cruz said:

C. Jordan said:

Carlos Cruz said:

C. Jordan said:

Carlos Cruz said:

C. Jordan said:

RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

January 6th was a rowdy, "mostly peaceful protest" other than the unarmed female protester being murdered by the Capitol policemen. Should the Dems steal another election, you people will see what a real insurrection looks like.
This is an insane lie.
What part?
All of it.

First, the assault on the capital was NOT a mostly peaceful protest.

Second, Ashli Babbitt wasn't murdered. She was killed attempting to breach security. The lives of our elected representatives were at stake.

Third, the election wasn't stolen.

So 3 lies.
January 6th was mostly peaceful. Tens of thousands were present. Only a couple of hundred were arrested.

Ashli Babbitt did not pose a threat to anyone's life. If breaching security is a license to shoot at people, then woe to the next group of people who try to pull down a goal post or trespass on the White House lawn.

Joe Biden may or may not have been legitimately elected. Either way, we are stuck with him for three and half more years. Or at least I hope he makes it because the two who are behind him right now are worse options than he is.
No it wasn't mostly peaceful. You're trying to gaslight me by telling me I didn't see what I saw. It's not going to work. You can repeat a lie as often as you want, but it still won't be true. Your number was way off. At least 400 were arrested in 40 states, and counting. And they're still looking for people.

How were officers supposed to know Babbitt was no threat to anyone? She could see the guns drawn, but was determined to go through anyway. And what if others poured through after her? Even if she was no threat, many of them surely were. Besides, the shooting was investigated and declared to be a righteous shoot.

If you want to blame someone for Ashli's death, blame Donald Trump, who enflamed her and others with his repeated lies that the election was stolen. Her blood is on his hands, along with everyone else who died because of that day, including the officers who committed suicide after.

Biden was legitimately elected. More gaslighting. State courts, federal courts, FBI, DHS, DOJ, and more have all declared he was and that there was no significant voter fraud.
In sum, the Orange Man is bad and you can shoot someone in broad daylight even if they are not posing a reasonable threat to your life at the moment. You don't need to be gaslighted. You are sufficiently indoctrinated that the facts will not move you.

The law allows the use of deadly force in a variety of situations. When the person who fails to "just follow the rules" gets shot don't you usually back the blue?
“Life, liberty, and property do not exist because men have made laws. On the contrary, it was the fact that life, liberty, and property existed beforehand that caused men to make laws in the first place.” (The Law, p.6) Frederic Bastiat
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quash said:

Carlos Cruz said:

C. Jordan said:

Carlos Cruz said:

C. Jordan said:

Carlos Cruz said:

C. Jordan said:

RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

January 6th was a rowdy, "mostly peaceful protest" other than the unarmed female protester being murdered by the Capitol policemen. Should the Dems steal another election, you people will see what a real insurrection looks like.
This is an insane lie.
What part?
All of it.

First, the assault on the capital was NOT a mostly peaceful protest.

Second, Ashli Babbitt wasn't murdered. She was killed attempting to breach security. The lives of our elected representatives were at stake.

Third, the election wasn't stolen.

So 3 lies.
January 6th was mostly peaceful. Tens of thousands were present. Only a couple of hundred were arrested.

Ashli Babbitt did not pose a threat to anyone's life. If breaching security is a license to shoot at people, then woe to the next group of people who try to pull down a goal post or trespass on the White House lawn.

Joe Biden may or may not have been legitimately elected. Either way, we are stuck with him for three and half more years. Or at least I hope he makes it because the two who are behind him right now are worse options than he is.
No it wasn't mostly peaceful. You're trying to gaslight me by telling me I didn't see what I saw. It's not going to work. You can repeat a lie as often as you want, but it still won't be true. Your number was way off. At least 400 were arrested in 40 states, and counting. And they're still looking for people.

How were officers supposed to know Babbitt was no threat to anyone? She could see the guns drawn, but was determined to go through anyway. And what if others poured through after her? Even if she was no threat, many of them surely were. Besides, the shooting was investigated and declared to be a righteous shoot.

If you want to blame someone for Ashli's death, blame Donald Trump, who enflamed her and others with his repeated lies that the election was stolen. Her blood is on his hands, along with everyone else who died because of that day, including the officers who committed suicide after.

Biden was legitimately elected. More gaslighting. State courts, federal courts, FBI, DHS, DOJ, and more have all declared he was and that there was no significant voter fraud.
In sum, the Orange Man is bad and you can shoot someone in broad daylight even if they are not posing a reasonable threat to your life at the moment. You don't need to be gaslighted. You are sufficiently indoctrinated that the facts will not move you.

The law allows the use of deadly force in a variety of situations. When the person who fails to "just follow the rules" gets shot don't you usually back the blue?

It depends on the situation.
quash
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Carlos Cruz said:

quash said:

Carlos Cruz said:

C. Jordan said:

Carlos Cruz said:

C. Jordan said:

Carlos Cruz said:

C. Jordan said:

RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

January 6th was a rowdy, "mostly peaceful protest" other than the unarmed female protester being murdered by the Capitol policemen. Should the Dems steal another election, you people will see what a real insurrection looks like.
This is an insane lie.
What part?
All of it.

First, the assault on the capital was NOT a mostly peaceful protest.

Second, Ashli Babbitt wasn't murdered. She was killed attempting to breach security. The lives of our elected representatives were at stake.

Third, the election wasn't stolen.

So 3 lies.
January 6th was mostly peaceful. Tens of thousands were present. Only a couple of hundred were arrested.

Ashli Babbitt did not pose a threat to anyone's life. If breaching security is a license to shoot at people, then woe to the next group of people who try to pull down a goal post or trespass on the White House lawn.

Joe Biden may or may not have been legitimately elected. Either way, we are stuck with him for three and half more years. Or at least I hope he makes it because the two who are behind him right now are worse options than he is.
No it wasn't mostly peaceful. You're trying to gaslight me by telling me I didn't see what I saw. It's not going to work. You can repeat a lie as often as you want, but it still won't be true. Your number was way off. At least 400 were arrested in 40 states, and counting. And they're still looking for people.

How were officers supposed to know Babbitt was no threat to anyone? She could see the guns drawn, but was determined to go through anyway. And what if others poured through after her? Even if she was no threat, many of them surely were. Besides, the shooting was investigated and declared to be a righteous shoot.

If you want to blame someone for Ashli's death, blame Donald Trump, who enflamed her and others with his repeated lies that the election was stolen. Her blood is on his hands, along with everyone else who died because of that day, including the officers who committed suicide after.

Biden was legitimately elected. More gaslighting. State courts, federal courts, FBI, DHS, DOJ, and more have all declared he was and that there was no significant voter fraud.
In sum, the Orange Man is bad and you can shoot someone in broad daylight even if they are not posing a reasonable threat to your life at the moment. You don't need to be gaslighted. You are sufficiently indoctrinated that the facts will not move you.

The law allows the use of deadly force in a variety of situations. When the person who fails to "just follow the rules" gets shot don't you usually back the blue?

It depends on the situation.

Of course it does. Here, a trespasser (And part of a violent mob, whose threatening actions had been planned and were known to the police) refusing to follow lawful orders breaks the close. FAFO.
“Life, liberty, and property do not exist because men have made laws. On the contrary, it was the fact that life, liberty, and property existed beforehand that caused men to make laws in the first place.” (The Law, p.6) Frederic Bastiat
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quash said:

Carlos Cruz said:

quash said:

Carlos Cruz said:

C. Jordan said:

Carlos Cruz said:

C. Jordan said:

Carlos Cruz said:

C. Jordan said:

RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

January 6th was a rowdy, "mostly peaceful protest" other than the unarmed female protester being murdered by the Capitol policemen. Should the Dems steal another election, you people will see what a real insurrection looks like.
This is an insane lie.
What part?
All of it.

First, the assault on the capital was NOT a mostly peaceful protest.

Second, Ashli Babbitt wasn't murdered. She was killed attempting to breach security. The lives of our elected representatives were at stake.

Third, the election wasn't stolen.

So 3 lies.
January 6th was mostly peaceful. Tens of thousands were present. Only a couple of hundred were arrested.

Ashli Babbitt did not pose a threat to anyone's life. If breaching security is a license to shoot at people, then woe to the next group of people who try to pull down a goal post or trespass on the White House lawn.

Joe Biden may or may not have been legitimately elected. Either way, we are stuck with him for three and half more years. Or at least I hope he makes it because the two who are behind him right now are worse options than he is.
No it wasn't mostly peaceful. You're trying to gaslight me by telling me I didn't see what I saw. It's not going to work. You can repeat a lie as often as you want, but it still won't be true. Your number was way off. At least 400 were arrested in 40 states, and counting. And they're still looking for people.

How were officers supposed to know Babbitt was no threat to anyone? She could see the guns drawn, but was determined to go through anyway. And what if others poured through after her? Even if she was no threat, many of them surely were. Besides, the shooting was investigated and declared to be a righteous shoot.

If you want to blame someone for Ashli's death, blame Donald Trump, who enflamed her and others with his repeated lies that the election was stolen. Her blood is on his hands, along with everyone else who died because of that day, including the officers who committed suicide after.

Biden was legitimately elected. More gaslighting. State courts, federal courts, FBI, DHS, DOJ, and more have all declared he was and that there was no significant voter fraud.
In sum, the Orange Man is bad and you can shoot someone in broad daylight even if they are not posing a reasonable threat to your life at the moment. You don't need to be gaslighted. You are sufficiently indoctrinated that the facts will not move you.

The law allows the use of deadly force in a variety of situations. When the person who fails to "just follow the rules" gets shot don't you usually back the blue?

It depends on the situation.

Of course it does. Here, a trespasser (And part of a violent mob, whose threatening actions had been planned and were known to the police) refusing to follow lawful orders breaks the close. FAFO.

Unarmed trespassing by a person not known to have committed any act of violence ... should die, per quash.


Hmmmmmm.
That which does not kill me, will try again and get nastier
Wrecks Quan Dough
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quash said:

Carlos Cruz said:

quash said:

Carlos Cruz said:

C. Jordan said:

Carlos Cruz said:

C. Jordan said:

Carlos Cruz said:

C. Jordan said:

RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

January 6th was a rowdy, "mostly peaceful protest" other than the unarmed female protester being murdered by the Capitol policemen. Should the Dems steal another election, you people will see what a real insurrection looks like.
This is an insane lie.
What part?
All of it.

First, the assault on the capital was NOT a mostly peaceful protest.

Second, Ashli Babbitt wasn't murdered. She was killed attempting to breach security. The lives of our elected representatives were at stake.

Third, the election wasn't stolen.

So 3 lies.
January 6th was mostly peaceful. Tens of thousands were present. Only a couple of hundred were arrested.

Ashli Babbitt did not pose a threat to anyone's life. If breaching security is a license to shoot at people, then woe to the next group of people who try to pull down a goal post or trespass on the White House lawn.

Joe Biden may or may not have been legitimately elected. Either way, we are stuck with him for three and half more years. Or at least I hope he makes it because the two who are behind him right now are worse options than he is.
No it wasn't mostly peaceful. You're trying to gaslight me by telling me I didn't see what I saw. It's not going to work. You can repeat a lie as often as you want, but it still won't be true. Your number was way off. At least 400 were arrested in 40 states, and counting. And they're still looking for people.

How were officers supposed to know Babbitt was no threat to anyone? She could see the guns drawn, but was determined to go through anyway. And what if others poured through after her? Even if she was no threat, many of them surely were. Besides, the shooting was investigated and declared to be a righteous shoot.

If you want to blame someone for Ashli's death, blame Donald Trump, who enflamed her and others with his repeated lies that the election was stolen. Her blood is on his hands, along with everyone else who died because of that day, including the officers who committed suicide after.

Biden was legitimately elected. More gaslighting. State courts, federal courts, FBI, DHS, DOJ, and more have all declared he was and that there was no significant voter fraud.
In sum, the Orange Man is bad and you can shoot someone in broad daylight even if they are not posing a reasonable threat to your life at the moment. You don't need to be gaslighted. You are sufficiently indoctrinated that the facts will not move you.

The law allows the use of deadly force in a variety of situations. When the person who fails to "just follow the rules" gets shot don't you usually back the blue?

It depends on the situation.

Of course it does. Here, a trespasser (And part of a violent mob, whose threatening actions had been planned and were known to the police) refusing to follow lawful orders breaks the close. FAFO.

Yeah, she was unarmed and not a threat to anyone's life.
 
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