Link?4yrletterbear said:
50 % of the recent cases of Covid in our county are vaccinated individuals.
Link?4yrletterbear said:
50 % of the recent cases of Covid in our county are vaccinated individuals.
More along the line of negligent homicideDoc Holliday said:Wait, you mean dem party loyalists are going out of their way to construe vaccine choice as murder?curtpenn said:Just sort of thinking out loud here and willing to accept being wrong, but it seems to me that the GOP position is more along the lines of advocating for people to make their own decisions than it is opposed to social distancing, mask wearing, and vaccination. Not sure how one would quantify all of that, though.Booray said:How can you say that? He used his anti-vax beliefs to advance in the Republican party. A significant percentage of the GOP has staked out a position that the correct response to the pandemic is to oppose social distancing, mask wearing and vaccination. This guy was trying to make political capital out of that position; a position that is literally killing people. It is newsworthy and relevant when it kills one of their own.fadskier said:But he made his own personal choice and suffered the consequences...being a Republican has nothing to do with it. Using someone's death as political theater is sick...J.B.Katz said:You know what? If he had taken the vaccine, he would be morbidly obese-and alive.Mothra said:
Guy was morbidly obese unfortunately. Dangerous combination with COVID. May he Rest In Peace.
And his wife would still have a living husband and his son would still have a living father.
Mothra said:J.B.Katz said:You know what? If he had taken the vaccine, he would be morbidly obese-and alive.Mothra said:
Guy was morbidly obese unfortunately. Dangerous combination with COVID. May he Rest In Peace.
And his wife would still have a living husband and his son would still have a living father.
Last time I checked he was an adult and knew the risks. His body his choice.
I know that his having the freedom to make that decision pisses you off.
No crime in 2021. Pardon me. Just sunshine, rainbows, and unicorns. Now let's alll join hands and sing Kumbaya.Buddha Bear said:RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:Looters should be shot on site. Had we put just a few of them in the ground last summer, crime would not be the epidemic it is today. I much prefer the terms thugs and animals over rat people.HuMcK said:RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:
Amazing how a certain group of our "society" celebrates the death of anyone whose political beliefs are not in line with theirs. Pathetic.
That was you calling protestors rat people who needed to be put down all last summer and fall, yes? I believe Canada even extended that description to anyone on welfare, so it's extra ironic that both of you decided to speak up on this thread and really highlight your hypocrisy.
If crime is an epidemic today, how would crime in the 70s and 80s be described?
sounds like a good manJ.B.Katz said:
My father was a really traditional guy. Mother stayed home with us 3 kids.
He would have been disgusted with Scott Apley. He told me before I got married that men who didn't take care of their health weren't taking their responsibilities as a provider, husband and father seriously.
When I was a kid lots of men didn't go to the doc because they thought it wasn't manly. My father didn't buy that. He said he knew too many widows who had to scramble to support themselves and their kids when their husbands died from untreated health conditions and that those men were selfish for not doing what they needed to do to make sure they'd be around as long as possible to provide for their families.
C. Jordan said:Still, you don't find it ironic and stupid that he mocks COVID, dies of it, and then people like you downplay it?Mothra said:
Guy was morbidly obese unfortunately. Dangerous combination with COVID. May he Rest In Peace.
He died for Trump, I guess.
Hope others don't die from the misinformation he spread!
BearTruth13 said:Mothra said:J.B.Katz said:You know what? If he had taken the vaccine, he would be morbidly obese-and alive.Mothra said:
Guy was morbidly obese unfortunately. Dangerous combination with COVID. May he Rest In Peace.
And his wife would still have a living husband and his son would still have a living father.
Last time I checked he was an adult and knew the risks. His body his choice.
I know that his having the freedom to make that decision pisses you off.
Issue is there are a lot of ignorant people throughout the country on both sides. The last 18 months have shown that. I think political parties and leadership bear some responsibility for intentionally radicalizing these sections of voters to the point of conspiracy.
The leftists that engineering racial tensions and riots and the alt-righters that fill their voters heads with tales of government microchips and the mark of the beast.
Of my friend group, the only unvaxed people are a few fellow conservatives. And when I discuss it with them, their reasoning is one of irrational fear. Truly bizarre and kind of cowardly.
Mothra said:BearTruth13 said:Mothra said:J.B.Katz said:You know what? If he had taken the vaccine, he would be morbidly obese-and alive.Mothra said:
Guy was morbidly obese unfortunately. Dangerous combination with COVID. May he Rest In Peace.
And his wife would still have a living husband and his son would still have a living father.
Last time I checked he was an adult and knew the risks. His body his choice.
I know that his having the freedom to make that decision pisses you off.
Issue is there are a lot of ignorant people throughout the country on both sides. The last 18 months have shown that. I think political parties and leadership bear some responsibility for intentionally radicalizing these sections of voters to the point of conspiracy.
The leftists that engineering racial tensions and riots and the alt-righters that fill their voters heads with tales of government microchips and the mark of the beast.
Of my friend group, the only unvaxed people are a few fellow conservatives. And when I discuss it with them, their reasoning is one of irrational fear. Truly bizarre and kind of cowardly.
I have no idea what your friends reasoning is, but there are good reasons for avoiding the vaccine that are rational.
I am glad your body reacted well after being pumped full of shots. Mine did as well, at least in the short term. But sometimes people have different experiences than you. Sometimes you have a child whose body cannot take certain vaccines. Sometimes you have a child at the age of 2 who has his MMR shot, and within 3 hours is at the ER screaming and crying uncontrollably. He spends the next 4 days at the hospital with encephalitis and then loses his ability to speak. Over the course of the next couple of months he regains most of his words, but has permanent brain damage as a result.BearTruth13 said:Mothra said:BearTruth13 said:Mothra said:J.B.Katz said:You know what? If he had taken the vaccine, he would be morbidly obese-and alive.Mothra said:
Guy was morbidly obese unfortunately. Dangerous combination with COVID. May he Rest In Peace.
And his wife would still have a living husband and his son would still have a living father.
Last time I checked he was an adult and knew the risks. His body his choice.
I know that his having the freedom to make that decision pisses you off.
Issue is there are a lot of ignorant people throughout the country on both sides. The last 18 months have shown that. I think political parties and leadership bear some responsibility for intentionally radicalizing these sections of voters to the point of conspiracy.
The leftists that engineering racial tensions and riots and the alt-righters that fill their voters heads with tales of government microchips and the mark of the beast.
Of my friend group, the only unvaxed people are a few fellow conservatives. And when I discuss it with them, their reasoning is one of irrational fear. Truly bizarre and kind of cowardly.
I have no idea what your friends reasoning is, but there are good reasons for avoiding the vaccine that are rational.
Really think a lot of the "reasons" are overblown. Any risk is pretty tiny comparatively. Went to Africa on a mission trip and was pumped full of shots. Didn't bat an eye. Sometimes the whole world isn't out to get you. This isn't a movie.
Mothra said:I am glad your body reacted well after being pumped full of shots. Mine did as well, at least in the short term. But sometimes people have different experiences than you. Sometimes you have a child whose body cannot take certain vaccines. Sometimes you have a child at the age of 2 who has his MMR shot, and within 3 hours is at the ER screaming and crying uncontrollably. He spends the next 4 days at the hospital with encephalitis and then loses his ability to speak. Over the course of the next couple of months he regains most of his words, but has permanent brain damage as a result.BearTruth13 said:Mothra said:BearTruth13 said:Mothra said:J.B.Katz said:You know what? If he had taken the vaccine, he would be morbidly obese-and alive.Mothra said:
Guy was morbidly obese unfortunately. Dangerous combination with COVID. May he Rest In Peace.
And his wife would still have a living husband and his son would still have a living father.
Last time I checked he was an adult and knew the risks. His body his choice.
I know that his having the freedom to make that decision pisses you off.
Issue is there are a lot of ignorant people throughout the country on both sides. The last 18 months have shown that. I think political parties and leadership bear some responsibility for intentionally radicalizing these sections of voters to the point of conspiracy.
The leftists that engineering racial tensions and riots and the alt-righters that fill their voters heads with tales of government microchips and the mark of the beast.
Of my friend group, the only unvaxed people are a few fellow conservatives. And when I discuss it with them, their reasoning is one of irrational fear. Truly bizarre and kind of cowardly.
I have no idea what your friends reasoning is, but there are good reasons for avoiding the vaccine that are rational.
Really think a lot of the "reasons" are overblown. Any risk is pretty tiny comparatively. Went to Africa on a mission trip and was pumped full of shots. Didn't bat an eye. Sometimes the whole world isn't out to get you. This isn't a movie.
I am glad you didn't have that experience as a father, as I did. But I wouldn't discount other peoples' perspectives merely because yours has been different.
As I said, some people have good reasons for avoiding vaccines. Not all of them are overblown.
BearTruth13 said:Mothra said:I am glad your body reacted well after being pumped full of shots. Mine did as well, at least in the short term. But sometimes people have different experiences than you. Sometimes you have a child whose body cannot take certain vaccines. Sometimes you have a child at the age of 2 who has his MMR shot, and within 3 hours is at the ER screaming and crying uncontrollably. He spends the next 4 days at the hospital with encephalitis and then loses his ability to speak. Over the course of the next couple of months he regains most of his words, but has permanent brain damage as a result.BearTruth13 said:Mothra said:BearTruth13 said:Mothra said:J.B.Katz said:You know what? If he had taken the vaccine, he would be morbidly obese-and alive.Mothra said:
Guy was morbidly obese unfortunately. Dangerous combination with COVID. May he Rest In Peace.
And his wife would still have a living husband and his son would still have a living father.
Last time I checked he was an adult and knew the risks. His body his choice.
I know that his having the freedom to make that decision pisses you off.
Issue is there are a lot of ignorant people throughout the country on both sides. The last 18 months have shown that. I think political parties and leadership bear some responsibility for intentionally radicalizing these sections of voters to the point of conspiracy.
The leftists that engineering racial tensions and riots and the alt-righters that fill their voters heads with tales of government microchips and the mark of the beast.
Of my friend group, the only unvaxed people are a few fellow conservatives. And when I discuss it with them, their reasoning is one of irrational fear. Truly bizarre and kind of cowardly.
I have no idea what your friends reasoning is, but there are good reasons for avoiding the vaccine that are rational.
Really think a lot of the "reasons" are overblown. Any risk is pretty tiny comparatively. Went to Africa on a mission trip and was pumped full of shots. Didn't bat an eye. Sometimes the whole world isn't out to get you. This isn't a movie.
I am glad you didn't have that experience as a father, as I did. But I wouldn't discount other peoples' perspectives merely because yours has been different.
As I said, some people have good reasons for avoiding vaccines. Not all of them are overblown.
Sorry about your kid. That's why I am not advocating COVID shots for toddlers.
Still doesn't mean adults will suddenly suffer brain damage.
Vaccines aren't doing much to slow the spread. We're not reaching herd immunity. Even if the US was 90% vaccinated, we have a worldwide problem that will still fuel spread and variants to the US. Or say we got to 90%, we'll likely need boosters and expecting even the pro vax community to keep up with that is a long shot.Booray said:More along the line of negligent homicideDoc Holliday said:Wait, you mean dem party loyalists are going out of their way to construe vaccine choice as murder?curtpenn said:Just sort of thinking out loud here and willing to accept being wrong, but it seems to me that the GOP position is more along the lines of advocating for people to make their own decisions than it is opposed to social distancing, mask wearing, and vaccination. Not sure how one would quantify all of that, though.Booray said:How can you say that? He used his anti-vax beliefs to advance in the Republican party. A significant percentage of the GOP has staked out a position that the correct response to the pandemic is to oppose social distancing, mask wearing and vaccination. This guy was trying to make political capital out of that position; a position that is literally killing people. It is newsworthy and relevant when it kills one of their own.fadskier said:But he made his own personal choice and suffered the consequences...being a Republican has nothing to do with it. Using someone's death as political theater is sick...J.B.Katz said:You know what? If he had taken the vaccine, he would be morbidly obese-and alive.Mothra said:
Guy was morbidly obese unfortunately. Dangerous combination with COVID. May he Rest In Peace.
And his wife would still have a living husband and his son would still have a living father.
As the regular flu does as well. Years have ranged up to 100,000 plus. Soon we will just have to learn to live with it.Doc Holliday said:Vaccines aren't doing much to slow the spread. We're not reaching herd immunity. Even if the US was 90% vaccinated, we have a worldwide problem that will still fuel spread and variants to the US. Or say we got to 90%, we'll likely need boosters and expecting even the pro vax community to keep up with that is a long shot.Booray said:More along the line of negligent homicideDoc Holliday said:Wait, you mean dem party loyalists are going out of their way to construe vaccine choice as murder?curtpenn said:Just sort of thinking out loud here and willing to accept being wrong, but it seems to me that the GOP position is more along the lines of advocating for people to make their own decisions than it is opposed to social distancing, mask wearing, and vaccination. Not sure how one would quantify all of that, though.Booray said:How can you say that? He used his anti-vax beliefs to advance in the Republican party. A significant percentage of the GOP has staked out a position that the correct response to the pandemic is to oppose social distancing, mask wearing and vaccination. This guy was trying to make political capital out of that position; a position that is literally killing people. It is newsworthy and relevant when it kills one of their own.fadskier said:But he made his own personal choice and suffered the consequences...being a Republican has nothing to do with it. Using someone's death as political theater is sick...J.B.Katz said:You know what? If he had taken the vaccine, he would be morbidly obese-and alive.Mothra said:
Guy was morbidly obese unfortunately. Dangerous combination with COVID. May he Rest In Peace.
And his wife would still have a living husband and his son would still have a living father.
The vaccine is mostly something you take to prevent serious illness rather than something you take to protect others.
The idea that conservatives aren't complying and that's the only reason it's not going away is bull****, it's never going away. It will likely kill tens of thousands yearly from here on out.
Especially considering it's almost exclusively killing their own at this point. These deaths are largely avoidable, and everyone who refuses to take basic precautions need to be made aware of that. This is a really stupid hill to (quite literally) die on.Booray said:How can you say that? He used his anti-vax beliefs to advance in the Republican party. A significant percentage of the GOP has staked out a position that the correct response to the pandemic is to oppose social distancing, mask wearing and vaccination. This guy was trying to make political capital out of that position; a position that is literally killing people. It is newsworthy and relevant when it kills one of their own.fadskier said:But he made his own personal choice and suffered the consequences...being a Republican has nothing to do with it. Using someone's death as political theater is sick...J.B.Katz said:You know what? If he had taken the vaccine, he would be morbidly obese-and alive.Mothra said:
Guy was morbidly obese unfortunately. Dangerous combination with COVID. May he Rest In Peace.
And his wife would still have a living husband and his son would still have a living father.
Vaccines have greatly slowed the spread. Without the vaccines, the Delta variant would be catastrophic.Doc Holliday said:Vaccines aren't doing much to slow the spread. We're not reaching herd immunity. Even if the US was 90% vaccinated, we have a worldwide problem that will still fuel spread and variants to the US. Or say we got to 90%, we'll likely need boosters and expecting even the pro vax community to keep up with that is a long shot.Booray said:More along the line of negligent homicideDoc Holliday said:Wait, you mean dem party loyalists are going out of their way to construe vaccine choice as murder?curtpenn said:Just sort of thinking out loud here and willing to accept being wrong, but it seems to me that the GOP position is more along the lines of advocating for people to make their own decisions than it is opposed to social distancing, mask wearing, and vaccination. Not sure how one would quantify all of that, though.Booray said:How can you say that? He used his anti-vax beliefs to advance in the Republican party. A significant percentage of the GOP has staked out a position that the correct response to the pandemic is to oppose social distancing, mask wearing and vaccination. This guy was trying to make political capital out of that position; a position that is literally killing people. It is newsworthy and relevant when it kills one of their own.fadskier said:But he made his own personal choice and suffered the consequences...being a Republican has nothing to do with it. Using someone's death as political theater is sick...J.B.Katz said:You know what? If he had taken the vaccine, he would be morbidly obese-and alive.Mothra said:
Guy was morbidly obese unfortunately. Dangerous combination with COVID. May he Rest In Peace.
And his wife would still have a living husband and his son would still have a living father.
The vaccine is mostly something you take to prevent serious illness rather than something you take to protect others.
The idea that conservatives aren't complying and that's the only reason it's not going away is bull****, it's never going away. It will likely kill tens of thousands yearly from here on out.
India seems to be ok and they dont have any vaccines.Booray said:Vaccines have greatly slowed the spread. Without the vaccines, the Delta variant would be catastrophic.Doc Holliday said:Vaccines aren't doing much to slow the spread. We're not reaching herd immunity. Even if the US was 90% vaccinated, we have a worldwide problem that will still fuel spread and variants to the US. Or say we got to 90%, we'll likely need boosters and expecting even the pro vax community to keep up with that is a long shot.Booray said:More along the line of negligent homicideDoc Holliday said:Wait, you mean dem party loyalists are going out of their way to construe vaccine choice as murder?curtpenn said:Just sort of thinking out loud here and willing to accept being wrong, but it seems to me that the GOP position is more along the lines of advocating for people to make their own decisions than it is opposed to social distancing, mask wearing, and vaccination. Not sure how one would quantify all of that, though.Booray said:How can you say that? He used his anti-vax beliefs to advance in the Republican party. A significant percentage of the GOP has staked out a position that the correct response to the pandemic is to oppose social distancing, mask wearing and vaccination. This guy was trying to make political capital out of that position; a position that is literally killing people. It is newsworthy and relevant when it kills one of their own.fadskier said:But he made his own personal choice and suffered the consequences...being a Republican has nothing to do with it. Using someone's death as political theater is sick...J.B.Katz said:You know what? If he had taken the vaccine, he would be morbidly obese-and alive.Mothra said:
Guy was morbidly obese unfortunately. Dangerous combination with COVID. May he Rest In Peace.
And his wife would still have a living husband and his son would still have a living father.
The vaccine is mostly something you take to prevent serious illness rather than something you take to protect others.
The idea that conservatives aren't complying and that's the only reason it's not going away is bull****, it's never going away. It will likely kill tens of thousands yearly from here on out.
The whole idea behind why the CDC came back to masks was because the vaccines aren't working well to stop spread of the delta variant.Booray said:Vaccines have greatly slowed the spread. Without the vaccines, the Delta variant would be catastrophic.Doc Holliday said:Vaccines aren't doing much to slow the spread. We're not reaching herd immunity. Even if the US was 90% vaccinated, we have a worldwide problem that will still fuel spread and variants to the US. Or say we got to 90%, we'll likely need boosters and expecting even the pro vax community to keep up with that is a long shot.Booray said:More along the line of negligent homicideDoc Holliday said:Wait, you mean dem party loyalists are going out of their way to construe vaccine choice as murder?curtpenn said:Just sort of thinking out loud here and willing to accept being wrong, but it seems to me that the GOP position is more along the lines of advocating for people to make their own decisions than it is opposed to social distancing, mask wearing, and vaccination. Not sure how one would quantify all of that, though.Booray said:How can you say that? He used his anti-vax beliefs to advance in the Republican party. A significant percentage of the GOP has staked out a position that the correct response to the pandemic is to oppose social distancing, mask wearing and vaccination. This guy was trying to make political capital out of that position; a position that is literally killing people. It is newsworthy and relevant when it kills one of their own.fadskier said:But he made his own personal choice and suffered the consequences...being a Republican has nothing to do with it. Using someone's death as political theater is sick...J.B.Katz said:You know what? If he had taken the vaccine, he would be morbidly obese-and alive.Mothra said:
Guy was morbidly obese unfortunately. Dangerous combination with COVID. May he Rest In Peace.
And his wife would still have a living husband and his son would still have a living father.
The vaccine is mostly something you take to prevent serious illness rather than something you take to protect others.
The idea that conservatives aren't complying and that's the only reason it's not going away is bull****, it's never going away. It will likely kill tens of thousands yearly from here on out.
That is not what that CNN quote means.Doc Holliday said:The whole idea behind why the CDC came back to masks was because the vaccines aren't working well to stop spread of the delta variant.Booray said:Vaccines have greatly slowed the spread. Without the vaccines, the Delta variant would be catastrophic.Doc Holliday said:Vaccines aren't doing much to slow the spread. We're not reaching herd immunity. Even if the US was 90% vaccinated, we have a worldwide problem that will still fuel spread and variants to the US. Or say we got to 90%, we'll likely need boosters and expecting even the pro vax community to keep up with that is a long shot.Booray said:More along the line of negligent homicideDoc Holliday said:Wait, you mean dem party loyalists are going out of their way to construe vaccine choice as murder?curtpenn said:Just sort of thinking out loud here and willing to accept being wrong, but it seems to me that the GOP position is more along the lines of advocating for people to make their own decisions than it is opposed to social distancing, mask wearing, and vaccination. Not sure how one would quantify all of that, though.Booray said:How can you say that? He used his anti-vax beliefs to advance in the Republican party. A significant percentage of the GOP has staked out a position that the correct response to the pandemic is to oppose social distancing, mask wearing and vaccination. This guy was trying to make political capital out of that position; a position that is literally killing people. It is newsworthy and relevant when it kills one of their own.fadskier said:But he made his own personal choice and suffered the consequences...being a Republican has nothing to do with it. Using someone's death as political theater is sick...J.B.Katz said:You know what? If he had taken the vaccine, he would be morbidly obese-and alive.Mothra said:
Guy was morbidly obese unfortunately. Dangerous combination with COVID. May he Rest In Peace.
And his wife would still have a living husband and his son would still have a living father.
The vaccine is mostly something you take to prevent serious illness rather than something you take to protect others.
The idea that conservatives aren't complying and that's the only reason it's not going away is bull****, it's never going away. It will likely kill tens of thousands yearly from here on out.
Even CNN says "data that suggests vaccinated people who get a breakthrough infection could have a similar tendency to spread the virus as the unvaccinated". https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/05/health/us-coronavirus-thursday/index.html
Vaxxed can catch delta nearly as easily as an unvaccinated individual.
Didn't imply that the vaccinated can still catch delta nearly as easily to that quote.Sam Lowry said:That is not what that CNN quote means.Doc Holliday said:The whole idea behind why the CDC came back to masks was because the vaccines aren't working well to stop spread of the delta variant.Booray said:Vaccines have greatly slowed the spread. Without the vaccines, the Delta variant would be catastrophic.Doc Holliday said:Vaccines aren't doing much to slow the spread. We're not reaching herd immunity. Even if the US was 90% vaccinated, we have a worldwide problem that will still fuel spread and variants to the US. Or say we got to 90%, we'll likely need boosters and expecting even the pro vax community to keep up with that is a long shot.Booray said:More along the line of negligent homicideDoc Holliday said:Wait, you mean dem party loyalists are going out of their way to construe vaccine choice as murder?curtpenn said:Just sort of thinking out loud here and willing to accept being wrong, but it seems to me that the GOP position is more along the lines of advocating for people to make their own decisions than it is opposed to social distancing, mask wearing, and vaccination. Not sure how one would quantify all of that, though.Booray said:How can you say that? He used his anti-vax beliefs to advance in the Republican party. A significant percentage of the GOP has staked out a position that the correct response to the pandemic is to oppose social distancing, mask wearing and vaccination. This guy was trying to make political capital out of that position; a position that is literally killing people. It is newsworthy and relevant when it kills one of their own.fadskier said:But he made his own personal choice and suffered the consequences...being a Republican has nothing to do with it. Using someone's death as political theater is sick...J.B.Katz said:You know what? If he had taken the vaccine, he would be morbidly obese-and alive.Mothra said:
Guy was morbidly obese unfortunately. Dangerous combination with COVID. May he Rest In Peace.
And his wife would still have a living husband and his son would still have a living father.
The vaccine is mostly something you take to prevent serious illness rather than something you take to protect others.
The idea that conservatives aren't complying and that's the only reason it's not going away is bull****, it's never going away. It will likely kill tens of thousands yearly from here on out.
Even CNN says "data that suggests vaccinated people who get a breakthrough infection could have a similar tendency to spread the virus as the unvaccinated". https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/05/health/us-coronavirus-thursday/index.html
Vaxxed can catch delta nearly as easily as an unvaccinated individual.
RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:C. Jordan said:Who is celebrating his death?RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:
Amazing how a certain group of our "society" celebrates the death of anyone whose political beliefs are not in line with theirs. Pathetic.
I think it's tragic. He died for nothing except for pride and/or stupidity.
Had he not been a leader of the Texas Republican Party, this would have been a non-story. His death would have been treated like just another daily shooting victim in Chicago. Silence.
Okay. I'd still have to disagree with your conclusion that the vaccinated catch Delta almost as easily as the unvaccinated. There seems to be some reduced effectiveness, but the vaccine is still highly effective even against the variant.Doc Holliday said:Didn't imply that the vaccinated can still catch delta nearly as easily to that quote.Sam Lowry said:That is not what that CNN quote means.Doc Holliday said:The whole idea behind why the CDC came back to masks was because the vaccines aren't working well to stop spread of the delta variant.Booray said:Vaccines have greatly slowed the spread. Without the vaccines, the Delta variant would be catastrophic.Doc Holliday said:Vaccines aren't doing much to slow the spread. We're not reaching herd immunity. Even if the US was 90% vaccinated, we have a worldwide problem that will still fuel spread and variants to the US. Or say we got to 90%, we'll likely need boosters and expecting even the pro vax community to keep up with that is a long shot.Booray said:More along the line of negligent homicideDoc Holliday said:Wait, you mean dem party loyalists are going out of their way to construe vaccine choice as murder?curtpenn said:Just sort of thinking out loud here and willing to accept being wrong, but it seems to me that the GOP position is more along the lines of advocating for people to make their own decisions than it is opposed to social distancing, mask wearing, and vaccination. Not sure how one would quantify all of that, though.Booray said:How can you say that? He used his anti-vax beliefs to advance in the Republican party. A significant percentage of the GOP has staked out a position that the correct response to the pandemic is to oppose social distancing, mask wearing and vaccination. This guy was trying to make political capital out of that position; a position that is literally killing people. It is newsworthy and relevant when it kills one of their own.fadskier said:But he made his own personal choice and suffered the consequences...being a Republican has nothing to do with it. Using someone's death as political theater is sick...J.B.Katz said:You know what? If he had taken the vaccine, he would be morbidly obese-and alive.Mothra said:
Guy was morbidly obese unfortunately. Dangerous combination with COVID. May he Rest In Peace.
And his wife would still have a living husband and his son would still have a living father.
The vaccine is mostly something you take to prevent serious illness rather than something you take to protect others.
The idea that conservatives aren't complying and that's the only reason it's not going away is bull****, it's never going away. It will likely kill tens of thousands yearly from here on out.
Even CNN says "data that suggests vaccinated people who get a breakthrough infection could have a similar tendency to spread the virus as the unvaccinated". https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/05/health/us-coronavirus-thursday/index.html
Vaxxed can catch delta nearly as easily as an unvaccinated individual.
What I'm getting at is that we need to vax to protect ourselves from a serious case and not be deluded into believing herd immunity is possible. This idea that we can diminish covid quickly is full on bs. https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/03/health/covid-herd-immunity-vaccine.html
This is the perfect virus for requiring continuous vaccinations for the foreseeable future.