Mark Milley - Chairman of the Joint Chiefs

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Wangchung
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HuMcK said:

Yes, let's try again, slower this time. There. Were. Two. Whistleblower. Complaints. Vindman. Was. On. The. Call.

That's called a "first hand recollection". And oh by the way it corroborated the second hand account of the other whistleblower.

And of course a big part of what launched the investigation is the Trump admin got caught burying the complaints, in violation of whistleblower laws. Cover-up attempts like that are a blinking red sign saying "investigate this".
You should read the actual complaint and see how much they referenced secondhand information as their sources. It wasn't only about the phone call, and it was a LOT of opinions by political military officials of Milley's ilk. Hardly credible witnesses but certainly enough for democrats to impeach. Whenever we want to see if leftists are full of **** on a topic we merely apply their own standards to a situation that involves them. That's when the crawfishing and semantical arguments typically begin.
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HuMcK said:

You better hope Durham has a lot more evidence than what's reported, because it doesn't move the ball on any of your deep state narratives. 3rd party notes taken after the meeting won't get it done in court for a false statement charge. Even if they get a conviction, it'll be another 6 month probation sentence just like Clinesmith. So congrats, y'all managed to implicitly get Durham to bless the rest of the sprawling Russia investigation as kosher and warranted while mopping up some inconsequential slop. I thought y'all got the hint after Huber and Horowitz did the same, but maybe not.

Meanwhile, your guy's campaign manager spent time in prison for refusing to discuss the meetings with a Russian spy they caught him having, and ate felony charges while waiting for a corrupt as hell pardon. His next campaign manager was charged with defrauding Trump supporters (and arrested off a Chinese millionaire's yacht!), until he also got his corrupt as hell pardon. Thats a real fine pack of criminals you've been defending all these years.
You're not following how this is shaping up:

Sussman of Perkins Coie law firm relayed to James Baker (Top level FBI at the time) that the Trump organization was communicating with Alfa Bank nefariously. Durham is charging him for this lie/fabrication because it contradicts Sussman's testimony to congress and his own billing records plus Durham can prove the story is bs.

Court records prove that Fusion GPS, Glenn Simpson and their associates drafted and promoted the false Alfa Bank/Trump story in correspondence with Sussman. This happened right before Sussman met with James Baker to try tip him off (lie about Alfa). We have the correspondence records.

Pekins Coie, the law firm Sussman worked at, partnered with the DNC. Sussman was THE GUY who brought CrowdStrike in to analyze the DNC servers. We have the correspondence records for this as well. It very well could have been fudged just like he and Fusion fudged the Alfa bank story.

NYT says Durham is pursuing a theory that the Clinton Campain used Perkins Coie to submit dubious info to the FBI. It's pretty obvious they did considering Durham disagreed with IG Horowitz on how the Russia case was opened and now this.
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BearFan33 said:

Porteroso said:

The only scenario where this is acceptable is one where Trump has lost the election, but in an attempt to stay in power wants to take us to war with another superpower. In that sole case, with an actual madman at the helm, I could understand if we wanted to warn China that it may look like Trump is trying to launch nukes, but we will take care of this and stop the madman.

Obviously the leadership of our armed forces discussed countless times how to check Trump's insane ignorance, and numerous times had to coordinate to talk him out of bad ideas like bombing Iran. That is always acceptable when someone so stupid is given the nuke codes.
What if the people calling Trump "stupid" and "crazy" are the ones that are stupid and crazy?
What if pigs could fly?
HuMcK
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Doc Holliday said:

HuMcK said:

You better hope Durham has a lot more evidence than what's reported, because it doesn't move the ball on any of your deep state narratives. 3rd party notes taken after the meeting won't get it done in court for a false statement charge. Even if they get a conviction, it'll be another 6 month probation sentence just like Clinesmith. So congrats, y'all managed to implicitly get Durham to bless the rest of the sprawling Russia investigation as kosher and warranted while mopping up some inconsequential slop. I thought y'all got the hint after Huber and Horowitz did the same, but maybe not.

Meanwhile, your guy's campaign manager spent time in prison for refusing to discuss the meetings with a Russian spy they caught him having, and ate felony charges while waiting for a corrupt as hell pardon. His next campaign manager was charged with defrauding Trump supporters (and arrested off a Chinese millionaire's yacht!), until he also got his corrupt as hell pardon. Thats a real fine pack of criminals you've been defending all these years.
You're not following how this is shaping up:

Sussman of Perkins Coie law firm relayed to James Baker (Top level FBI at the time) that the Trump organization was communicating with Alfa Bank nefariously. Durham is charging him for this lie/fabrication because it contradicts Sussman's testimony to congress and his own billing records plus Durham can prove the story is bs.
That is not correct, the potential indictment is because Sussman said to Congress he was meeting with Baker as part of his representation of a particular client (not the Clinton campaign), but Baker recalled that Sussman told him he wasn't representing any particular client in the meeting. It has nothing to do with the underlying allegation (which NYTimes notes Mueller ignored, so it had no effect on the larger investigation). Frankly, the evidence in the NYTimes article is pretty weak, and in a normal climate would amount to dick, so if that's really all they have then this isn't going anywhere.

From the article: "In a deposition to Congress in 2018, Mr. Baker said he did not remember Mr. Sussmann 'specifically saying that he was acting on behalf of a particular client,' but also said Mr. Sussmann had told him 'he had cyberexperts that had obtained some information that they thought should get into the hands of the F.B.I.'

However, Mr. Durham's team is said to have found handwritten notes made by another senior F.B.I. official at the time, whom Mr. Baker briefed about the conversation with Mr. Sussmann, that support the notion that Mr. Sussmann said he was not there on behalf of a client."
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/15/us/politics/durham-michael-sussmann-trump-russia.html

You're hoping to solely focus on the biases of people making the accusations, and thereby ignore all of what was found. Problem is, what was found amounts to some pretty bad stuff, hence the need to re-direct to biases.
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Osodecentx said:

J.B.Katz said:

It's more than a little crazy that you boys are more pissed at a decorated Army general who acted to prevent a possible nuclear conflict than the unhinged madman who egged a bunch of crazies into attacking the capital trying to stay in power after losing the election and pouting on the golf course for 2 months.
What if Milley decides that President Biden is non compos mentis and refuses to take orders from the office of the president?
When did Milley refuse to take orders from Trump?

https://www.npr.org/2021/09/15/1037454733/milley-defends-call-to-chinese-general-about-trump

Gen. Mark Milley says he was conducting the duties of his office not circumventing presidential authority when he spoke to his Chinese counterpart shortly before last year's election, according to a statement the Pentagon issued Wednesday.

Milley's actions in the final months of former President Donald Trump's term made headlines this week after a new book by journalists Bob Woodward and Robert Costa said the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff was attempting to head off a potential armed conflict when he called Chinese Gen. Li Zuocheng.

The book, Peril, is not yet released. It describes Milley as being "fearful Trump might spark war," according to The Washington Post.

Milley confirms that he spoke to Li and other world military leaders in October and in January. But Joint Staff spokesperson Col. Dave Butler said those communications were part of his normal duties and responsibilities "conveying reassurance in order to maintain strategic stability."

Butler also said Milley did not break protocol in the way he got in touch with Li.

"All calls from the Chairman to his counterparts, including those reported, are staffed, coordinated and communicated with the Department of Defense" as well as the U.S. security and intelligence community's interagency pipeline, Butler said.
The Pentagon did not detail what Milley spoke about in his two conversations with China's top general one of which reportedly took place days before the U.S. presidential election, with the other reportedly dating to shortly after the Jan. 6 riot and attack on the U.S. Capitol by a pro-Trump mob.
Here's how the Post's national political reporter Isaac Stanley-Becker, who has read Woodward and Costa's book, describes the circumstances around Milley's actions in an interview with NPR:
Quote:

"Milley had reviewed intelligence suggesting that the Chinese believed the U.S. was preparing to attack at that time, and he feared a hair-trigger situation in which there could be miscalculation, or a preemptive strike by China in an attempt to fend this off or get ahead of it.
"And at the time, there were tensions over military exercises in the South China Sea; these tensions were deepened by Trump's belligerent rhetoric toward China on the campaign trail. So [Milley] tried to assuage these fears by saying the U.S. was stable and was not preparing to lash out at China."
In response to reports about Milley's actions as described in the book, Trump and his allies said the general's behavior was treasonous.

If the accounts are accurate, Sen. Marco Rubio, R-Fla., said, "It was an act of treachery that posed a grave risk to our security & our constitutional order."


Trump nominated Milley to be the Pentagon's top military officer in late 2018. News of his contacts with foreign military officials sparked a round of questions at Wednesday's White House press briefing, at which press secretary Jen Psaki noted that President Biden has now worked with Milley "side by side" for nearly eight months.

"His experience with him has been that he is a patriot," Psaki said of the president's relationship with the military leader. "He is somebody who has fidelity to the Constitution," she said, adding that Biden "has confidence in [Milley's] leadership and the role he has played in his experience with him."

The Pentagon also confirmed that Milley spoke to a group of U.S. officers about how to handle a potential order to deliver a nuclear attack in the wake of the Jan. 6 chaos, as Biden's victory over Trump was certified.
According to Stanley-Becker:
Quote:

"Milley was concerned about checks in the system and ensuring that there wasn't some sort of improper, illegal or immoral action, as he put it to senior officers.
"So what he does on Jan. 8 is to summon senior officers to review these procedures, and to tell them, 'The president has the authority to decide on action, but there are other steps, and I also have to be made aware of that decision. So whatever happens, clue me in.'
"And it's this remarkable scene in the book, where he goes officer by officer, looks them in the eye and asks them to affirm that they understood his directions."
Of that meeting, the Pentagon said Milley was performing his duties of ensuring that the military's leaders were "aware of current issues."

"The meeting regarding nuclear weapons protocols was to remind uniformed leaders in the Pentagon of the long-established and robust procedures in light of media reporting on the subject," Butler said.

"Gen. Milley continues to act and advise within his authority in the lawful tradition of civilian control of the military and his oath to the Constitution."

Speaking to the right-wing news organization Newsmax on Tuesday, Trump said: "If it is actually true which is hard to believe, that he would have called China and done these things and was willing to advise them of an attack or in advance of an attack that's treason."

Trump denied he had ever been planning an attack on China.
Doc Holliday
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HuMcK said:

Doc Holliday said:

HuMcK said:

You better hope Durham has a lot more evidence than what's reported, because it doesn't move the ball on any of your deep state narratives. 3rd party notes taken after the meeting won't get it done in court for a false statement charge. Even if they get a conviction, it'll be another 6 month probation sentence just like Clinesmith. So congrats, y'all managed to implicitly get Durham to bless the rest of the sprawling Russia investigation as kosher and warranted while mopping up some inconsequential slop. I thought y'all got the hint after Huber and Horowitz did the same, but maybe not.

Meanwhile, your guy's campaign manager spent time in prison for refusing to discuss the meetings with a Russian spy they caught him having, and ate felony charges while waiting for a corrupt as hell pardon. His next campaign manager was charged with defrauding Trump supporters (and arrested off a Chinese millionaire's yacht!), until he also got his corrupt as hell pardon. Thats a real fine pack of criminals you've been defending all these years.
You're not following how this is shaping up:

Sussman of Perkins Coie law firm relayed to James Baker (Top level FBI at the time) that the Trump organization was communicating with Alfa Bank nefariously. Durham is charging him for this lie/fabrication because it contradicts Sussman's testimony to congress and his own billing records plus Durham can prove the story is bs.
That is not correct, the potential indictment is because Sussman said to Congress he was meeting with Baker as part of his representation of a particular client (not the Clinton campaign), but Baker recalled that Sussman told him he wasn't representing any particular client in the meeting. It has nothing to do with the underlying allegation (which NYTimes notes Mueller ignored, so it had no effect on the larger investigation). Frankly, the evidence in the NYTimes article is pretty weak, and in a normal climate would amount to dick, so if that's really all they have then this isn't going anywhere.

From the article: "In a deposition to Congress in 2018, Mr. Baker said he did not remember Mr. Sussmann 'specifically saying that he was acting on behalf of a particular client,' but also said Mr. Sussmann had told him 'he had cyberexperts that had obtained some information that they thought should get into the hands of the F.B.I.'

However, Mr. Durham's team is said to have found handwritten notes made by another senior F.B.I. official at the time, whom Mr. Baker briefed about the conversation with Mr. Sussmann, that support the notion that Mr. Sussmann said he was not there on behalf of a client."
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/15/us/politics/durham-michael-sussmann-trump-russia.html

You're hoping to solely focus on the biases of people making the accusations, and thereby ignore all of what was found. Problem is, what was found amounts to some pretty bad stuff, hence the need to re-direct to biases.
It is correct.

Three days after Sussman met with Baker, Christopher Steele met with Mark Elias at Perkins Coie and corresponded with Sussman. Then Steele Publishes his BS Denchenko report trying to link Alfa bank to Putin.

Bro they manufactured a story pretending it was coming from two distinct sources on the same day. All connected to each other.

Look at the Lawsuit between Fridman/Alfa versus Bean LLC (fusion GPS) you will notice emails only going from Sussman to Peter Frisch of FusionGPS. On Aug30 there's an email between Glen Simpson of Fusion and Ed Baumgartner with an attachment 'ALFA PLAYBOOK.PDF' on the subject "You will see the holes and what this needs".

Wake up.
Whiskey Pete
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J.B.Katz said:

BearFan33 said:

Porteroso said:

The only scenario where this is acceptable is one where Trump has lost the election, but in an attempt to stay in power wants to take us to war with another superpower. In that sole case, with an actual madman at the helm, I could understand if we wanted to warn China that it may look like Trump is trying to launch nukes, but we will take care of this and stop the madman.

Obviously the leadership of our armed forces discussed countless times how to check Trump's insane ignorance, and numerous times had to coordinate to talk him out of bad ideas like bombing Iran. That is always acceptable when someone so stupid is given the nuke codes.
What if the people calling Trump "stupid" and "crazy" are the ones that are stupid and crazy?
What if pigs could fly?
What if biden wasn't a creepy touchy feely racist old guy with dementia?
STxBear81
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what if the democrats still cant believe Trump won in 2016? they feel like their deep state ties were only way to save themselves and the country? wrong as it is thats what they have done.

20 shades of Treason
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HuMcK said:

All these people that worked up close with Trump repeatedly keep saying he's unstable to the point of being dangerous. Milley, McMaster, Mattis, Tillerson, Kelley, Cohen, etc. People who worked with him face to face, sometimes for years. But yeah, I'm sure you you know a guy you've never met better than those people do, it must be the "left's" propaganda driving those mens opinions and not their own personal experiences.
There's a difference between an unstable, erratic. and unpredictable personality that makes dealing with someone extremely difficult. I have no doubt that was Trump. That's different than someone who'd be willing to blow up the world.
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J.B.Katz said:

Osodecentx said:

J.B.Katz said:

It's more than a little crazy that you boys are more pissed at a decorated Army general who acted to prevent a possible nuclear conflict than the unhinged madman who egged a bunch of crazies into attacking the capital trying to stay in power after losing the election and pouting on the golf course for 2 months.
What if Milley decides that President Biden is non compos mentis and refuses to take orders from the office of the president?
When did Milley refuse to take orders from Trump?

https://www.npr.org/2021/09/15/1037454733/milley-defends-call-to-chinese-general-about-trump

Gen. Mark Milley says he was conducting the duties of his office not circumventing presidential authority when he spoke to his Chinese counterpart shortly before last year's election, according to a statement the Pentagon issued Wednesday.

Milley's actions in the final months of former President Donald Trump's term made headlines this week after a new book by journalists Bob Woodward and Robert Costa said the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff was attempting to head off a potential armed conflict when he called Chinese Gen. Li Zuocheng.

The book, Peril, is not yet released. It describes Milley as being "fearful Trump might spark war," according to The Washington Post.

Milley confirms that he spoke to Li and other world military leaders in October and in January. But Joint Staff spokesperson Col. Dave Butler said those communications were part of his normal duties and responsibilities "conveying reassurance in order to maintain strategic stability."

Butler also said Milley did not break protocol in the way he got in touch with Li.

"All calls from the Chairman to his counterparts, including those reported, are staffed, coordinated and communicated with the Department of Defense" as well as the U.S. security and intelligence community's interagency pipeline, Butler said.
The Pentagon did not detail what Milley spoke about in his two conversations with China's top general one of which reportedly took place days before the U.S. presidential election, with the other reportedly dating to shortly after the Jan. 6 riot and attack on the U.S. Capitol by a pro-Trump mob.
Here's how the Post's national political reporter Isaac Stanley-Becker, who has read Woodward and Costa's book, describes the circumstances around Milley's actions in an interview with NPR:
Quote:

"Milley had reviewed intelligence suggesting that the Chinese believed the U.S. was preparing to attack at that time, and he feared a hair-trigger situation in which there could be miscalculation, or a preemptive strike by China in an attempt to fend this off or get ahead of it.
"And at the time, there were tensions over military exercises in the South China Sea; these tensions were deepened by Trump's belligerent rhetoric toward China on the campaign trail. So [Milley] tried to assuage these fears by saying the U.S. was stable and was not preparing to lash out at China."
In response to reports about Milley's actions as described in the book, Trump and his allies said the general's behavior was treasonous.

If the accounts are accurate, Sen. Marco Rubio, R-Fla., said, "It was an act of treachery that posed a grave risk to our security & our constitutional order."


Trump nominated Milley to be the Pentagon's top military officer in late 2018. News of his contacts with foreign military officials sparked a round of questions at Wednesday's White House press briefing, at which press secretary Jen Psaki noted that President Biden has now worked with Milley "side by side" for nearly eight months.

"His experience with him has been that he is a patriot," Psaki said of the president's relationship with the military leader. "He is somebody who has fidelity to the Constitution," she said, adding that Biden "has confidence in [Milley's] leadership and the role he has played in his experience with him."

The Pentagon also confirmed that Milley spoke to a group of U.S. officers about how to handle a potential order to deliver a nuclear attack in the wake of the Jan. 6 chaos, as Biden's victory over Trump was certified.
According to Stanley-Becker:
Quote:

"Milley was concerned about checks in the system and ensuring that there wasn't some sort of improper, illegal or immoral action, as he put it to senior officers.
"So what he does on Jan. 8 is to summon senior officers to review these procedures, and to tell them, 'The president has the authority to decide on action, but there are other steps, and I also have to be made aware of that decision. So whatever happens, clue me in.'
"And it's this remarkable scene in the book, where he goes officer by officer, looks them in the eye and asks them to affirm that they understood his directions."
Of that meeting, the Pentagon said Milley was performing his duties of ensuring that the military's leaders were "aware of current issues."

"The meeting regarding nuclear weapons protocols was to remind uniformed leaders in the Pentagon of the long-established and robust procedures in light of media reporting on the subject," Butler said.

"Gen. Milley continues to act and advise within his authority in the lawful tradition of civilian control of the military and his oath to the Constitution."

Speaking to the right-wing news organization Newsmax on Tuesday, Trump said: "If it is actually true which is hard to believe, that he would have called China and done these things and was willing to advise them of an attack or in advance of an attack that's treason."

Trump denied he had ever been planning an attack on China.
the secretary of defense said that he did not authorize the phone calls and was not in the loop about the phone calls. Somebody went around norms
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Rawhide said:

LateSteak69 said:

Rawhide said:

BearFan33 said:

HuMcK said:

All these people that worked up close with Trump repeatedly keep saying he's unstable to the point of being dangerous. Milley, McMaster, Mattis, Tillerson, Kelley, Cohen, etc. People who worked with him face to face, sometimes for years. But yeah, I'm sure you you know a guy you've never met better than those people do, it must be the "left's" propaganda driving those mens opinions and not their own personal experiences.
This seems to be the standard line when there is a policy disagreement. Trump is "crazy" or an "idiot."
Yep, it's their go to when they got nothing.
kind of like every person who has worked for the Lardfather hates him and says he's unstable all of a sudden becomes a beltway insider to the Trumptards.
Are you old enough to be on your parent's computer?
barely, at least i am not in their basement massaging a trump statue like you are senor rawheinouspeen.
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maybe trumps isn't that much of a danger. I mean, while the other 3 living and able presidents were together on 9/11 paying their respects, trumps was calling a low rent pay per view boxing event.

mentally deranged and slow, no doubt. he's too dumb to think 3 steps ahead. all clear.
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HuMcK said:

Well for starters there were actually 2 whistleblowers, and they alleged a lot more impropriety than just the call. Also, the guy you're thinking of is Alexander Vindman, he was in fact on the call listening, so his complaint was based on first hand observations. So, basically none of your post is correct or factual.
boom: https://news.yahoo.com/alexander-vindman-says-milley-must-215200991.html

You really are a hoot.
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The facts will likely emerge re: Milley and the China call. No need to wait, though. Milley should never have allowed the Afghanistan withdrawal to proceed as it did, jeopardizing troops, equipment and citizens, as well as Afghani allies. The fact that Biden and the admin drove this mess is telling, as is the provision of a list of allies and locations to the Taliban, no matter the reason. If Milley was so driven against Trump back then, why not Biden now? Separation of powers is a tricky deal but clearly is supposed to be driven by expertise and wisdom, none of which is possessed by anyone inside the Beltway.
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Can you read? Because that has no bearing on what I wrote.
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HuMcK said:

Can you read? Because that has no bearing on what I wrote.


News flash: The hoaxers are calling for Milley's resignation.

Why won't you join him?
Whiskey Pete
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LateSteak69 said:

Rawhide said:

LateSteak69 said:

Rawhide said:

BearFan33 said:

HuMcK said:

All these people that worked up close with Trump repeatedly keep saying he's unstable to the point of being dangerous. Milley, McMaster, Mattis, Tillerson, Kelley, Cohen, etc. People who worked with him face to face, sometimes for years. But yeah, I'm sure you you know a guy you've never met better than those people do, it must be the "left's" propaganda driving those mens opinions and not their own personal experiences.
This seems to be the standard line when there is a policy disagreement. Trump is "crazy" or an "idiot."
Yep, it's their go to when they got nothing.
kind of like every person who has worked for the Lardfather hates him and says he's unstable all of a sudden becomes a beltway insider to the Trumptards.
Are you old enough to be on your parent's computer?
barely, at least i am not in their basement massaging a trump statue like you are senor rawheinouspeen.
Though so. Probably have mommy cut off the crust on your sandwiches too, after she brushes your teeth.

Of course you're not in the basement... you here playing the role pivot clown for the daily TDSer circle jerk.

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LateSteak69 said:

maybe trumps isn't that much of a danger. I mean, while the other 3 living and able presidents were together on 9/11 paying their respects, trumps was calling a low rent pay per view boxing event.

mentally deranged and slow, no doubt. he's too dumb to think 3 steps ahead. all clear.
So you're still stuck on Trump's dick? Not surprising.
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LateSteak69 said:

maybe trumps isn't that much of a danger. I mean, while the other 3 living and able presidents were together on 9/11 paying their respects, trumps was calling a low rent pay per view boxing event.

mentally deranged and slow, no doubt. he's too dumb to think 3 steps ahead. all clear.
https://amgreatness.com/2021/09/14/the-foul-stench-of-george-w-bush-and-americas-ruling-class/

The elites joining together to trash the America people as "terrorist'" on the anniversary of 9-11 is hardly something any decent person would want to be part of.
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J.B.Katz said:

BearFan33 said:

Porteroso said:

The only scenario where this is acceptable is one where Trump has lost the election, but in an attempt to stay in power wants to take us to war with another superpower. In that sole case, with an actual madman at the helm, I could understand if we wanted to warn China that it may look like Trump is trying to launch nukes, but we will take care of this and stop the madman.

Obviously the leadership of our armed forces discussed countless times how to check Trump's insane ignorance, and numerous times had to coordinate to talk him out of bad ideas like bombing Iran. That is always acceptable when someone so stupid is given the nuke codes.
What if the people calling Trump "stupid" and "crazy" are the ones that are stupid and crazy?
What if pigs could fly?
Perhaps both are correct.

Milley's absurd overreaction to Trump is just another in a very long list of overreactions. I recall some of our liberal posters predicting he would bring about WWIII. I have one friend who bet me he would overthrow the govt. and install himself as dictator.

I will grant you he's a narcissist and not the sharpest tool in the shed on some issues, but man did the Trump Derangement Syndrome make people do crazy things.
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J.B.Katz said:

Osodecentx said:

J.B.Katz said:

It's more than a little crazy that you boys are more pissed at a decorated Army general who acted to prevent a possible nuclear conflict than the unhinged madman who egged a bunch of crazies into attacking the capital trying to stay in power after losing the election and pouting on the golf course for 2 months.
What if Milley decides that President Biden is non compos mentis and refuses to take orders from the office of the president?
When did Milley refuse to take orders from Trump?

https://www.npr.org/2021/09/15/1037454733/milley-defends-call-to-chinese-general-about-trump

Gen. Mark Milley says he was conducting the duties of his office not circumventing presidential authority when he spoke to his Chinese counterpart shortly before last year's election, according to a statement the Pentagon issued Wednesday.

Milley's actions in the final months of former President Donald Trump's term made headlines this week after a new book by journalists Bob Woodward and Robert Costa said the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff was attempting to head off a potential armed conflict when he called Chinese Gen. Li Zuocheng.

The book, Peril, is not yet released. It describes Milley as being "fearful Trump might spark war," according to The Washington Post.

Milley confirms that he spoke to Li and other world military leaders in October and in January. But Joint Staff spokesperson Col. Dave Butler said those communications were part of his normal duties and responsibilities "conveying reassurance in order to maintain strategic stability."

Butler also said Milley did not break protocol in the way he got in touch with Li.

"All calls from the Chairman to his counterparts, including those reported, are staffed, coordinated and communicated with the Department of Defense" as well as the U.S. security and intelligence community's interagency pipeline, Butler said.
The Pentagon did not detail what Milley spoke about in his two conversations with China's top general one of which reportedly took place days before the U.S. presidential election, with the other reportedly dating to shortly after the Jan. 6 riot and attack on the U.S. Capitol by a pro-Trump mob.
Here's how the Post's national political reporter Isaac Stanley-Becker, who has read Woodward and Costa's book, describes the circumstances around Milley's actions in an interview with NPR:
Quote:

"Milley had reviewed intelligence suggesting that the Chinese believed the U.S. was preparing to attack at that time, and he feared a hair-trigger situation in which there could be miscalculation, or a preemptive strike by China in an attempt to fend this off or get ahead of it.
"And at the time, there were tensions over military exercises in the South China Sea; these tensions were deepened by Trump's belligerent rhetoric toward China on the campaign trail. So [Milley] tried to assuage these fears by saying the U.S. was stable and was not preparing to lash out at China."
In response to reports about Milley's actions as described in the book, Trump and his allies said the general's behavior was treasonous.

If the accounts are accurate, Sen. Marco Rubio, R-Fla., said, "It was an act of treachery that posed a grave risk to our security & our constitutional order."


Trump nominated Milley to be the Pentagon's top military officer in late 2018. News of his contacts with foreign military officials sparked a round of questions at Wednesday's White House press briefing, at which press secretary Jen Psaki noted that President Biden has now worked with Milley "side by side" for nearly eight months.

"His experience with him has been that he is a patriot," Psaki said of the president's relationship with the military leader. "He is somebody who has fidelity to the Constitution," she said, adding that Biden "has confidence in [Milley's] leadership and the role he has played in his experience with him."

The Pentagon also confirmed that Milley spoke to a group of U.S. officers about how to handle a potential order to deliver a nuclear attack in the wake of the Jan. 6 chaos, as Biden's victory over Trump was certified.
According to Stanley-Becker:
Quote:

"Milley was concerned about checks in the system and ensuring that there wasn't some sort of improper, illegal or immoral action, as he put it to senior officers.
"So what he does on Jan. 8 is to summon senior officers to review these procedures, and to tell them, 'The president has the authority to decide on action, but there are other steps, and I also have to be made aware of that decision. So whatever happens, clue me in.'
"And it's this remarkable scene in the book, where he goes officer by officer, looks them in the eye and asks them to affirm that they understood his directions."
Of that meeting, the Pentagon said Milley was performing his duties of ensuring that the military's leaders were "aware of current issues."

"The meeting regarding nuclear weapons protocols was to remind uniformed leaders in the Pentagon of the long-established and robust procedures in light of media reporting on the subject," Butler said.

"Gen. Milley continues to act and advise within his authority in the lawful tradition of civilian control of the military and his oath to the Constitution."

Speaking to the right-wing news organization Newsmax on Tuesday, Trump said: "If it is actually true which is hard to believe, that he would have called China and done these things and was willing to advise them of an attack or in advance of an attack that's treason."

Trump denied he had ever been planning an attack on China.
So, making "secret" phone calls the president didn't know about was not refusing orders and in line with what Trump requested?

To borrow your quote, if pigs could fly.
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Rawhide said:

LateSteak69 said:

maybe trumps isn't that much of a danger. I mean, while the other 3 living and able presidents were together on 9/11 paying their respects, trumps was calling a low rent pay per view boxing event.

mentally deranged and slow, no doubt. he's too dumb to think 3 steps ahead. all clear.
So you're still stuck on Trump's dick? Not surprising.
i wish. no room with your hoover going full blast.
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Mothra said:

J.B.Katz said:

BearFan33 said:

Porteroso said:

The only scenario where this is acceptable is one where Trump has lost the election, but in an attempt to stay in power wants to take us to war with another superpower. In that sole case, with an actual madman at the helm, I could understand if we wanted to warn China that it may look like Trump is trying to launch nukes, but we will take care of this and stop the madman.

Obviously the leadership of our armed forces discussed countless times how to check Trump's insane ignorance, and numerous times had to coordinate to talk him out of bad ideas like bombing Iran. That is always acceptable when someone so stupid is given the nuke codes.
What if the people calling Trump "stupid" and "crazy" are the ones that are stupid and crazy?
What if pigs could fly?
I have one friend who bet me he would overthrow the govt. and install himself as dictator.




The plan fell apart when the Buffalo man was captured.
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Amal Shuq-Up said:

Mothra said:

J.B.Katz said:

BearFan33 said:

Porteroso said:

The only scenario where this is acceptable is one where Trump has lost the election, but in an attempt to stay in power wants to take us to war with another superpower. In that sole case, with an actual madman at the helm, I could understand if we wanted to warn China that it may look like Trump is trying to launch nukes, but we will take care of this and stop the madman.

Obviously the leadership of our armed forces discussed countless times how to check Trump's insane ignorance, and numerous times had to coordinate to talk him out of bad ideas like bombing Iran. That is always acceptable when someone so stupid is given the nuke codes.
What if the people calling Trump "stupid" and "crazy" are the ones that are stupid and crazy?
What if pigs could fly?
I have one friend who bet me he would overthrow the govt. and install himself as dictator.




The plan fell apart when the Buffalo man was captured.
Buffalo man along with his steppe warriors ruling DC and beheading life long swamp rats on the steps of the Supreme Court would have been super entertaining.
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LateSteak69 said:

Rawhide said:

LateSteak69 said:

maybe trumps isn't that much of a danger. I mean, while the other 3 living and able presidents were together on 9/11 paying their respects, trumps was calling a low rent pay per view boxing event.

mentally deranged and slow, no doubt. he's too dumb to think 3 steps ahead. all clear.
So you're still stuck on Trump's dick? Not surprising.
i wish. no room with your hoover going full blast.
Not surprising that vacuum cleaner is the closest thing you can get to a woman; or a man, if that's your thing.
LateSteak69
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Rawhide said:

LateSteak69 said:

Rawhide said:

LateSteak69 said:

maybe trumps isn't that much of a danger. I mean, while the other 3 living and able presidents were together on 9/11 paying their respects, trumps was calling a low rent pay per view boxing event.

mentally deranged and slow, no doubt. he's too dumb to think 3 steps ahead. all clear.
So you're still stuck on Trump's dick? Not surprising.
i wish. no room with your hoover going full blast.
Not surprising that vacuum cleaner is the closest thing you can get to a woman; or a man, if that's your thing.
its your hoover, sir. You are so extremely dull.

now take a break from hoover-ing, and go get me a fresca. now.
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HuMcK said:

Doc Holliday said:

HuMcK said:

You better hope Durham has a lot more evidence than what's reported, because it doesn't move the ball on any of your deep state narratives. 3rd party notes taken after the meeting won't get it done in court for a false statement charge. Even if they get a conviction, it'll be another 6 month probation sentence just like Clinesmith. So congrats, y'all managed to implicitly get Durham to bless the rest of the sprawling Russia investigation as kosher and warranted while mopping up some inconsequential slop. I thought y'all got the hint after Huber and Horowitz did the same, but maybe not.

Meanwhile, your guy's campaign manager spent time in prison for refusing to discuss the meetings with a Russian spy they caught him having, and ate felony charges while waiting for a corrupt as hell pardon. His next campaign manager was charged with defrauding Trump supporters (and arrested off a Chinese millionaire's yacht!), until he also got his corrupt as hell pardon. Thats a real fine pack of criminals you've been defending all these years.
You're not following how this is shaping up:

Sussman of Perkins Coie law firm relayed to James Baker (Top level FBI at the time) that the Trump organization was communicating with Alfa Bank nefariously. Durham is charging him for this lie/fabrication because it contradicts Sussman's testimony to congress and his own billing records plus Durham can prove the story is bs.
That is not correct, the potential indictment is because Sussman said to Congress he was meeting with Baker as part of his representation of a particular client (not the Clinton campaign), but Baker recalled that Sussman told him he wasn't representing any particular client in the meeting. It has nothing to do with the underlying allegation (which NYTimes notes Mueller ignored, so it had no effect on the larger investigation). Frankly, the evidence in the NYTimes article is pretty weak, and in a normal climate would amount to dick, so if that's really all they have then this isn't going anywhere.

From the article: "In a deposition to Congress in 2018, Mr. Baker said he did not remember Mr. Sussmann 'specifically saying that he was acting on behalf of a particular client,' but also said Mr. Sussmann had told him 'he had cyberexperts that had obtained some information that they thought should get into the hands of the F.B.I.'

However, Mr. Durham's team is said to have found handwritten notes made by another senior F.B.I. official at the time, whom Mr. Baker briefed about the conversation with Mr. Sussmann, that support the notion that Mr. Sussmann said he was not there on behalf of a client."
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/15/us/politics/durham-michael-sussmann-trump-russia.html

You're hoping to solely focus on the biases of people making the accusations, and thereby ignore all of what was found. Problem is, what was found amounts to some pretty bad stuff, hence the need to re-direct to biases.
Well well well!

Here's the indictment.
https://www.scribd.com/document/525726563/Sussmann-Indictment

The allegation from the indictment:
Quote:

Quote:
"Sussman's statement to the FBI General Counsel that he was not acting on behalf of any client was knowingly and intentionally false. In truth and in fact, and as SUSSMAN well knew, SUSSMANN acted on behalf of and in coordination with two specific clients of [Perkins Coie], Tech Executive-1 and the Clinton Campaign, in assembling and conveying these allegations."
Durham details why the lie was material:


The indictment also describes Sussmann's public relations operation. Prior to the meeting with the FBI, Sussmann was providing details of the Trump/Alfa Bank allegations to reporters and updating the Clinton campaign of his work. After the meeting with the FBI, Sussmann was practically begging reporters to push the Trump/Alfa Bank story. All this while he was billing the Clinton campaign.


Importantly, Sussmann would repeat his false claim to "another government agency" in February 2017.


Notably, the indictment details communications within the group that "researched" and helped create the Alfa Bank allegations. They wanted to please the "VIPs" (the Hillary Clinton campaign):

Finally, here is the false statement charge:
Whiskey Pete
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LateSteak69 said:

Rawhide said:

LateSteak69 said:

Rawhide said:

LateSteak69 said:

maybe trumps isn't that much of a danger. I mean, while the other 3 living and able presidents were together on 9/11 paying their respects, trumps was calling a low rent pay per view boxing event.

mentally deranged and slow, no doubt. he's too dumb to think 3 steps ahead. all clear.
So you're still stuck on Trump's dick? Not surprising.
i wish. no room with your hoover going full blast.
Not surprising that vacuum cleaner is the closest thing you can get to a woman; or a man, if that's your thing.
its your hoover, sir. You are so extremely dull.

now take a break from hoover-ing, and go get me a fresca. now.
You've been sniffin' too much underwear.
LateSteak69
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Rawhide said:

LateSteak69 said:

Rawhide said:

LateSteak69 said:

Rawhide said:

LateSteak69 said:

maybe trumps isn't that much of a danger. I mean, while the other 3 living and able presidents were together on 9/11 paying their respects, trumps was calling a low rent pay per view boxing event.

mentally deranged and slow, no doubt. he's too dumb to think 3 steps ahead. all clear.
So you're still stuck on Trump's dick? Not surprising.
i wish. no room with your hoover going full blast.
Not surprising that vacuum cleaner is the closest thing you can get to a woman; or a man, if that's your thing.
its your hoover, sir. You are so extremely dull.

now take a break from hoover-ing, and go get me a fresca. now.
You've been sniffin' too much underwear.


Now!
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LateSteak69 said:

Rawhide said:

LateSteak69 said:

Rawhide said:

LateSteak69 said:

Rawhide said:

LateSteak69 said:

maybe trumps isn't that much of a danger. I mean, while the other 3 living and able presidents were together on 9/11 paying their respects, trumps was calling a low rent pay per view boxing event.

mentally deranged and slow, no doubt. he's too dumb to think 3 steps ahead. all clear.
So you're still stuck on Trump's dick? Not surprising.
i wish. no room with your hoover going full blast.
Not surprising that vacuum cleaner is the closest thing you can get to a woman; or a man, if that's your thing.
its your hoover, sir. You are so extremely dull.

now take a break from hoover-ing, and go get me a fresca. now.
You've been sniffin' too much underwear.


Now!
now, what *******?
Wangchung
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Rawhide said:

LateSteak69 said:

Rawhide said:

LateSteak69 said:

Rawhide said:

LateSteak69 said:

Rawhide said:

LateSteak69 said:

maybe trumps isn't that much of a danger. I mean, while the other 3 living and able presidents were together on 9/11 paying their respects, trumps was calling a low rent pay per view boxing event.

mentally deranged and slow, no doubt. he's too dumb to think 3 steps ahead. all clear.
So you're still stuck on Trump's dick? Not surprising.
i wish. no room with your hoover going full blast.
Not surprising that vacuum cleaner is the closest thing you can get to a woman; or a man, if that's your thing.
its your hoover, sir. You are so extremely dull.

now take a break from hoover-ing, and go get me a fresca. now.
You've been sniffin' too much underwear.


Now!
now, what *******?
Apparently he is demanding a Fresca in his manliest tone.
Whiskey Pete
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Wangchung said:

Rawhide said:

LateSteak69 said:

Rawhide said:

LateSteak69 said:

Rawhide said:

LateSteak69 said:

Rawhide said:

LateSteak69 said:

maybe trumps isn't that much of a danger. I mean, while the other 3 living and able presidents were together on 9/11 paying their respects, trumps was calling a low rent pay per view boxing event.

mentally deranged and slow, no doubt. he's too dumb to think 3 steps ahead. all clear.
So you're still stuck on Trump's dick? Not surprising.
i wish. no room with your hoover going full blast.
Not surprising that vacuum cleaner is the closest thing you can get to a woman; or a man, if that's your thing.
its your hoover, sir. You are so extremely dull.

now take a break from hoover-ing, and go get me a fresca. now.
You've been sniffin' too much underwear.


Now!
now, what *******?
Apparently he is demanding a Fresca in his manliest tone.
LOL.... Sounds like he needs his diaper changed
Wangchung
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Rawhide said:

Wangchung said:

Rawhide said:

LateSteak69 said:

Rawhide said:

LateSteak69 said:

Rawhide said:

LateSteak69 said:

Rawhide said:

LateSteak69 said:

maybe trumps isn't that much of a danger. I mean, while the other 3 living and able presidents were together on 9/11 paying their respects, trumps was calling a low rent pay per view boxing event.

mentally deranged and slow, no doubt. he's too dumb to think 3 steps ahead. all clear.
So you're still stuck on Trump's dick? Not surprising.
i wish. no room with your hoover going full blast.
Not surprising that vacuum cleaner is the closest thing you can get to a woman; or a man, if that's your thing.
its your hoover, sir. You are so extremely dull.

now take a break from hoover-ing, and go get me a fresca. now.
You've been sniffin' too much underwear.


Now!
now, what *******?
Apparently he is demanding a Fresca in his manliest tone.
LOL.... Sounds like he needs his diaper changed
Made me think of "Let's Go to Prison." Haha
4th and Inches
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LateSteak69 said:

maybe trumps isn't that much of a danger. I mean, while the other 3 living and able presidents were together on 9/11 paying their respects, trumps was calling a low rent pay per view boxing event.

mentally deranged and slow, no doubt. he's too dumb to think 3 steps ahead. all clear.
if you think so.. ask FDNY where Trump was on 9/11 hoss
“Mix a little foolishness with your serious plans. It is lovely to be silly at the right moment.”

–Horace


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4th and Inches said:

LateSteak69 said:

maybe trumps isn't that much of a danger. I mean, while the other 3 living and able presidents were together on 9/11 paying their respects, trumps was calling a low rent pay per view boxing event.

mentally deranged and slow, no doubt. he's too dumb to think 3 steps ahead. all clear.
if you think so.. ask FDNY where Trump was on 9/11 hoss
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