Mark Milley - Chairman of the Joint Chiefs

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https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/top-general-was-so-fearful-trump-might-spark-war-that-he-made-secret-calls-to-his-chinese-counterpart-new-book-says/ar-AAOr86X?ocid=uxbndlbing

Trying to think if there's any equivalent to the Milley call to his China counterparts in US history. Thoughts?

For America's top general to reach out to an adversary around the POTUS…it is back door 25th Amendment stuff.

Perhaps some view this as proof of the deep state, while others are just grateful an adult was in the room.
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White rage.
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Dnicknames said:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/top-general-was-so-fearful-trump-might-spark-war-that-he-made-secret-calls-to-his-chinese-counterpart-new-book-says/ar-AAOr86X?ocid=uxbndlbing

Trying to think if there's any equivalent to the Milley call to his China counterparts in US history. Thoughts?

For America's top general to reach out to an adversary around the POTUS…it is back door 25th Amendment stuff.

Perhaps some view this as proof of the deep state, while others are just grateful an adult was in the room.
I always question this kind of stuff (from both sides) when it comes out after they write a book...
Doc Holliday
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He allegedly told China in a secret phone call that he would give advance warning if the US was ever going to attack.

Check the date of this tweet:


They tell us what they're doing if you really listen.
BearFan33
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Straight up treason.
4th and Inches
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Dnicknames said:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/top-general-was-so-fearful-trump-might-spark-war-that-he-made-secret-calls-to-his-chinese-counterpart-new-book-says/ar-AAOr86X?ocid=uxbndlbing

Trying to think if there's any equivalent to the Milley call to his China counterparts in US history. Thoughts?

For America's top general to reach out to an adversary around the POTUS…it is back door 25th Amendment stuff.

Perhaps some view this as proof of the deep state, while others are just grateful an adult was in the room.
Treason.. the only way to view it
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Judging by our precipitous withdrawal from Afghanistan, I am going to say that Trump was not the impulsive President the media told us he was and he is certainly not as impulsive as the current occupant of 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.
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Amal Shuq-Up said:

Judging by our precipitous withdrawal from Afghanistan, I am going to say that Trump was not the impulsive President the media told us he was and he is certainly not as impulsive as the current occupant of 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.
impulsive is not typically a trait used to describe successful CEOs and billionaires.
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John Kerry and Milley need to be shot by a firing squad.
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Milley thinks telling people stuff like that helps his cred with Liberals in D.C.

And among committed liberals/leftists it probably does.

But to the average America...the idea that he conspired with Chinese military leaders against Trump in some hypothetical nonexistent situation that never developed sounds like straight up treason...or a best a foolish, stupid, impulsive, and corrupt thing for a top general to do.

The response of average people is not "Yas queen...you so brave" its more like "Why have they not court martialed this guy?"
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muddybrazos said:

John Kerry and Milley need to be shot by a firing squad.
I'd settle for arrest and conviction.
Doc Holliday
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The rules don't apply to these guys.

Milley will be rewarded for this.
Wrecks Quan Dough
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Adm. Yamamoto: Yes, Admiral Kimmel, I will give you a signal if the Japanese Imperial Navy decides to attack the United States.
Osodecentx
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Dnicknames said:


Trying to think if there's any equivalent to the Milley call to his China counterparts in US history. Thoughts?

For America's top general to reach out to an adversary around the POTUS…it is back door 25th Amendment stuff.
In 1974, Sec of Def Schlesinger told the generals to ask the Sec Def before carrying out any orders Richard Nixon gave.
It isn't calling an opposing state, but it is a work around of POTUS
BearFan33
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Osodecentx said:

Dnicknames said:


Trying to think if there's any equivalent to the Milley call to his China counterparts in US history. Thoughts?

For America's top general to reach out to an adversary around the POTUS…it is back door 25th Amendment stuff.
In 1974, Sec of Def Schlesinger told the generals to ask the Sec Def before carrying out any orders Richard Nixon gave.
It isn't calling an opposing state, but it is a work around of POTUS
And grounds for a treason investigation
Wrecks Quan Dough
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Osodecentx said:

Dnicknames said:


Trying to think if there's any equivalent to the Milley call to his China counterparts in US history. Thoughts?

For America's top general to reach out to an adversary around the POTUS…it is back door 25th Amendment stuff.
In 1974, Sec of Def Schlesinger told the generals to ask the Sec Def before carrying out any orders Richard Nixon gave.
It isn't calling an opposing state, but it is a work around of POTUS
That is within the chain of command.
Jacques Strap
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Concur. Straight up treason.

Osodecentx
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Amal Shuq-Up said:

Osodecentx said:

Dnicknames said:


Trying to think if there's any equivalent to the Milley call to his China counterparts in US history. Thoughts?

For America's top general to reach out to an adversary around the POTUS…it is back door 25th Amendment stuff.
In 1974, Sec of Def Schlesinger told the generals to ask the Sec Def before carrying out any orders Richard Nixon gave.
It isn't calling an opposing state, but it is a work around of POTUS
That is within the chain of command.
I agree
Mothra
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Osodecentx said:

Dnicknames said:


Trying to think if there's any equivalent to the Milley call to his China counterparts in US history. Thoughts?

For America's top general to reach out to an adversary around the POTUS…it is back door 25th Amendment stuff.
In 1974, Sec of Def Schlesinger told the generals to ask the Sec Def before carrying out any orders Richard Nixon gave.
It isn't calling an opposing state, but it is a work around of POTUS
That's far different from contacting one's enemy to advise of an attack.

Milley should be fired, if not tried for treason.
Wrecks Quan Dough
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Gen. Miley: How are you, gentlemen?

Xi: What you say?

Gen Miley: All Our Afghan Base Are Belong to You.

Xi: Take off Every Zig for Great Justice!
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Amal Shuq-Up said:

Osodecentx said:

Dnicknames said:


Trying to think if there's any equivalent to the Milley call to his China counterparts in US history. Thoughts?

For America's top general to reach out to an adversary around the POTUS…it is back door 25th Amendment stuff.
In 1974, Sec of Def Schlesinger told the generals to ask the Sec Def before carrying out any orders Richard Nixon gave.
It isn't calling an opposing state, but it is a work around of POTUS
That is within the chain of command.
Exactly,

That could be interpreted as just double checking before any aggressive order was carried out...especially concerning nukes.

But they didn't reach out behind Nixon's back and talk to the Soviets.
HuMcK
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Mothra said:

Osodecentx said:

Dnicknames said:


Trying to think if there's any equivalent to the Milley call to his China counterparts in US history. Thoughts?

For America's top general to reach out to an adversary around the POTUS…it is back door 25th Amendment stuff.
In 1974, Sec of Def Schlesinger told the generals to ask the Sec Def before carrying out any orders Richard Nixon gave.
It isn't calling an opposing state, but it is a work around of POTUS
That's far different from contacting one's enemy to advise of an attack.

Milley should be fired, if not tried for treason.

You just spent the Trump years assuring us (or really yourself) that it can't be treason without a formal declaration of war, and dealing with our enemies for personal gain is just routine business. At least, that was your position when it was Trump's kids and agents dealing with Russian intelligence while they conducted espionage against the US in his favor.
Doc Holliday
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HuMcK said:

Mothra said:

Osodecentx said:

Dnicknames said:


Trying to think if there's any equivalent to the Milley call to his China counterparts in US history. Thoughts?

For America's top general to reach out to an adversary around the POTUS…it is back door 25th Amendment stuff.
In 1974, Sec of Def Schlesinger told the generals to ask the Sec Def before carrying out any orders Richard Nixon gave.
It isn't calling an opposing state, but it is a work around of POTUS
That's far different from contacting one's enemy to advise of an attack.

Milley should be fired, if not tried for treason.
when it was Trump's kids and agents dealing with Russian intelligence while they conducted espionage against the US in his favor.
That didn't happen.

How can you sleep at night calling yourself a liberal and simultaneously supporting and believing all things US intelligence? They're not much different than KGB or CCP ops my guy. Stop licking the boot.
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Amal Shuq-Up said:

Osodecentx said:

Dnicknames said:


Trying to think if there's any equivalent to the Milley call to his China counterparts in US history. Thoughts?

For America's top general to reach out to an adversary around the POTUS…it is back door 25th Amendment stuff.
In 1974, Sec of Def Schlesinger told the generals to ask the Sec Def before carrying out any orders Richard Nixon gave.
It isn't calling an opposing state, but it is a work around of POTUS
That is within the chain of command.
I agree but it depends on what the Sec defense intent was. Was it for clarification or reassurance or to instruct someone to disobey?

In any case its a far cry from getting feedback (or permission) from one's enemy.
HuMcK
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Not only did it happen, I can cite examples of it happening in both of Trump's campaigns. Even under the most charitable interpretations of the hard evidence, they absolutely had knowing connections to Russian state actors, and used those contacts for help in the elections.
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HuMcK said:

Not only did it happen, I can cite examples of it happening in both of Trump's campaigns. Even under the most charitable interpretations of the hard evidence, they absolutely had knowing connections to Russian state actors, and used those contacts for help in the elections.
Mothra
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HuMcK said:

Mothra said:

Osodecentx said:

Dnicknames said:


Trying to think if there's any equivalent to the Milley call to his China counterparts in US history. Thoughts?

For America's top general to reach out to an adversary around the POTUS…it is back door 25th Amendment stuff.
In 1974, Sec of Def Schlesinger told the generals to ask the Sec Def before carrying out any orders Richard Nixon gave.
It isn't calling an opposing state, but it is a work around of POTUS
That's far different from contacting one's enemy to advise of an attack.

Milley should be fired, if not tried for treason.

You just spent the Trump years assuring us (or really yourself) that it can't be treason without a formal declaration of war, and dealing with our enemies for personal gain is just routine business. At least, that was your position when it was Trump's kids and agents dealing with Russian intelligence while they conducted espionage against the US in his favor.
You must have me confused. I didn't assure you of anything. A general contacting an enemy secretly to advise of an impending attack is about as treasonous as it comes. It's not even remotely similar to the fact scenario you described - though I certainly understand why a partisan hack like yourself would attempt to make that comparison.
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That is not the way this is supposed to work. Flip the script-what is different in concept about the military launching an attack POTUS did not order v. sabotaging one he did order?

I have to agree with my conservative friends-utter BS if true.
Jacques Strap
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When you've lost Vindman...

Osodecentx
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Mothra said:

Osodecentx said:

Dnicknames said:


Trying to think if there's any equivalent to the Milley call to his China counterparts in US history. Thoughts?

For America's top general to reach out to an adversary around the POTUS…it is back door 25th Amendment stuff.
In 1974, Sec of Def Schlesinger told the generals to ask the Sec Def before carrying out any orders Richard Nixon gave.
It isn't calling an opposing state, but it is a work around of POTUS
That's far different from contacting one's enemy to advise of an attack.

Milley should be fired, if not tried for treason.
See the 2nd sentence of my post
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HuMcK said:

Not only did it happen, I can cite examples of it happening in both of Trump's campaigns. Even under the most charitable interpretations of the hard evidence, they absolutely had knowing connections to Russian state actors, and used those contacts for help in the elections.
No you can't. Nice try though.
Doc Holliday
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Doc Holliday said:

The rules don't apply to these guys.

Milley will be rewarded for this.
Osodecentx
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Troubling

Fears That Trump Might Launch a Strike Prompted General to Reassure China, Book Says
In a sign of his concerns, the nation's highest-ranking military officer also gathered commanders to remind them of the safeguards in the nuclear launch procedures.
WASHINGTON The chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff twice called his Chinese counterpart in the final months of the Trump administration to reassure him that Donald J. Trump had no plans to attack China in an effort to remain in power and that the United States was not collapsing, according to "Peril," a new book by the Washington Post reporters Bob Woodward and Robert Costa.
"Things may look unsteady," the chairman, Gen. Mark A. Milley, told Gen. Li Zuocheng of China on Jan. 8, two days after Mr. Trump's supporters stormed the Capitol to try to stop the certification of his election loss and in the second of two such calls. "But that's the nature of democracy, General Li. We are 100 percent steady. Everything's fine. But democracy can be sloppy sometimes."
Yet despite his assurances, General Milley was so concerned about Mr. Trump that later that day he convened a meeting with top commanders to remind them that the procedures for launching a nuclear weapon called for his involvement in such a decision.
The book also reveals how Vice President Mike Pence struggled more than was publicly known over how to navigate Mr. Trump's demands that he upend the election certification. Speaking privately to former Vice President Dan Quayle, who oversaw the certification of the 1992 election in which he was on the losing ticket, Mr. Pence appeared open to going along with Mr. Trump's plan, pushed the false claim that Arizona's voting results were wrong and asked whether there was any way he could delay certification.

A spokesman for Mr. Pence did not respond to a request for comment.

"Peril," which is scheduled to be released next Tuesday, says its accounts are based on contemporaneous notes, documents and interviews with unnamed firsthand participants and witnesses. The New York Times obtained a copy of it.
Similar to other media reports and books released since Mr. Trump left office, the book details how Mr. Trump's presidency essentially collapsed in his final months in office, particularly after his election loss and the start of his campaign to deny the results. Top aides including General Milley, Defense Secretary Mark T. Esper and Attorney General William P. Barr became convinced that they needed to take drastic measures to stop him from trampling on American democracy or setting off an international conflict, and General Milley thought that Mr. Trump had declined mentally in the aftermath of the election, according to the book.
A little less than half of the book also covers the first several months of Joseph R. Biden's administration, as the new president grappled with the pandemic, a faltering economy, Congress and the military's withdrawal from Afghanistan.
"If the mission is to preserve the Ghani government, I would not send my own son," Mr. Biden is quoted as telling aides in his first few months in office during the discussions about the withdrawal, referring to President Ashraf Ghani, who at the time was trying to repel the Taliban from taking over the country.
But it is the book's details about the Trump administration that are likely to garner the most attention.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/14/us/politics/peril-woodward-book-trump.html
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Booray said:

That is not the way this is supposed to work. Flip the script-what is different in concept about the military launching an attack POTUS did not order v. sabotaging one he did order?

I have to agree with my conservative friends-utter BS if true.
I'm no fan of Milley, but it's not unheard of to warn an opponent about a limited retaliatory strike in order to avoid surprising them and escalating the situation beyond what's intended. And Milley didn't even do that. All he did was promise that we would do it, which ordinarily would mean the president approved. The point was to assure the Chinese that Trump hadn't gone crazy and planned a sneak attack. I'm not sure there was anything wrong with that.
 
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