clubhi said:

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last time it happened the democrats got smashed

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F Joe Biden?

4th and Inches said:

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Florda_mike said:

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F Joe Biden?

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Lets go Brandon!

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Saw that was NBC's diversion. They had to have told that commentator to say that

Florda_mike said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Florda_mike said:

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F Joe Biden?

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Lets go Brandon!

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Saw that was NBC's diversion. They had to have told that commentator to say that

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She even laughed when she heard them tell her to say that in her ear lolz

clubhi said:

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Thee University said:

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clubhi said:

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last time it happened the confederacy got smashed

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Really?

360K union soldiers killed by Lincoln. 258K confederate soldiers killed by Lincoln. It took 2.1 million Yankess to squeak by 1.1 million Confederates.

The Confederacy was kicking the Yankee's a$$e$ until Lincoln hoodwinked 180K Irish right off the boats to fight.

The only smashing of the confederacy was during Lincoln's "Reconstruction"

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sorry for your loss

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Still? Nothing substantive?

Why do you think you are elitists again?

GrowlTowel said:

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clubhi said:

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Thee University said:

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clubhi said:

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last time it happened the confederacy got smashed

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Really?

360K union soldiers killed by Lincoln. 258K confederate soldiers killed by Lincoln. It took 2.1 million Yankess to squeak by 1.1 million Confederates.

The Confederacy was kicking the Yankee's a$$e$ until Lincoln hoodwinked 180K Irish right off the boats to fight.

The only smashing of the confederacy was during Lincoln's "Reconstruction"

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sorry for your loss

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Still? Nothing substantive?

Why do you think you are elitists again?

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You must have missed the part where I proved your maga gang can't read a spreadsheet. Feel free to dig up the thread and respond. lmao

clubhi said:

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Thee University said:

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clubhi said:

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last time it happened the confederacy got smashed

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Really?

360K union soldiers killed by Lincoln. 258K confederate soldiers killed by Lincoln. It took 2.1 million Yankess to squeak by 1.1 million Confederates.

The Confederacy was kicking the Yankee's a$$e$ until Lincoln hoodwinked 180K Irish right off the boats to fight.

The only smashing of the confederacy was during Lincoln's "Reconstruction"

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sorry for your loss

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Don't feel sorry for me.

The South WILL rise again.

clubhi said:

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Thee University said:

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clubhi said:

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Thee University said:

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clubhi said:

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last time it happened the confederacy got smashed

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Really?

360K union soldiers killed by Lincoln. 258K confederate soldiers killed by Lincoln. It took 2.1 million Yankess to squeak by 1.1 million Confederates.

The Confederacy was kicking the Yankee's a$$e$ until Lincoln hoodwinked 180K Irish right off the boats to fight.

The only smashing of the confederacy was during Lincoln's "Reconstruction"

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sorry for your loss

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Don't feel sorry for me.

The South WILL rise again.

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I agree. Once we conquer diabetes we will rise out of our walmart scooters

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nah, more like zombies..

It won't take many to make the Yanks lay down their arms and quit.

Thee University said:

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A new poll from the Center for Politics at the University of Virginia reveals that over half of Trump voters surveyed, and 41% of Biden voters, are in favor of blue and/or red states seceding from the union.

The idea that the nation's political divide has become so toxic that we should prepare from some sort of "national divorce" has largely been left to clever thought experiments best left for dinner parties and ironically detached columns. However, we've now arrived at a point where more than half of Trump voters "somewhat agree" that the time for secession is nigh.

Significant numbers of both Trump and Biden voters show a willingness to consider violating democratic tendencies and norms if needed to serve their priorities. Roughly 2 in 10 Trump and Biden voters strongly agree it would be better if a "President could take needed actions without being constrained by Congress or courts," and roughly 4 in 10 (41%) of Biden and half (52%) of Trump voters at least somewhat agree that it's time to split the country, favoring blue/red states seceding from the union.

On one hand, roughly 80% of Trump and Biden voters view democracy as preferable to any non-democratic kind of government.

On the other hand, more than 6 in 10 Trump and Biden voters see America as less a representative democracy and more a system that is run by and rigged for the benefit of the wealthy.

Overall, more than two-thirds support and one-third strongly emboldening and empowering strong leaders and taking the law into their own hands when it comes to dealing with people or groups they view as dangerous.

And their willingness to consider violating democratic tendencies and norms extends beyond the hypothetical and to a dangerous and alarming finding: Roughly 2 in 10 Trump and Biden voters or more than 31 million Americans strongly agree it would be better if a "President could take needed actions without being constrained by Congress or courts" (as extrapolated from the results of this survey). Roughly 4 in 10 (41%) of Biden and half (52%) of Trump voters at least somewhat agree that it's time to split the country, favoring blue/red states seceding from the union.

A shocking YouGov poll in June found that 66% of Republicans in southern states want to secede from the United States. That survey, which was done in conjunction with BrightLine Watch, looked at the current political climate in America. The most stunning question concerned support or opposition for the state in which respondents lived in "seceding from the United States to join a new union with [list of states in new union]?"

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Maybe the survey question should ask who would fight in a civil war that did not have wifi

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It won't take many to make the Yanks lay down their arms and quit.

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Ever hear of Grant?

Seems he did well enough.

It's gonna take time and tons of work to "rein it in"

I pray we've got the fortitude to get it done

The FBI will be unleashed on parents upset about what their children are being taught in schools but not illegal aliens harassing a U.S. Senator https://t.co/iwt3lVNFBZ

— Greg Price (@greg_price11) October 4, 2021

Thee University said:

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clubhi said:

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Thee University said:

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clubhi said:

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last time it happened the confederacy got smashed

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Really?

360K union soldiers killed by Lincoln. 258K confederate soldiers killed by Lincoln. It took 2.1 million Yankess to squeak by 1.1 million Confederates.

The Confederacy was kicking the Yankee's a$$e$ until Lincoln hoodwinked 180K Irish right off the boats to fight.

The only smashing of the confederacy was during Lincoln's "Reconstruction"

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sorry for your loss

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Don't feel sorry for me.

The South WILL rise again.

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No it won't. Not many people today care about their state enough to fight for it. Especially not since so many people move states, don't live in the same hometown all their life, etc.

cowboycwr said:

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Thee University said:

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clubhi said:

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Thee University said:

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clubhi said:

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last time it happened the confederacy got smashed

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Really?

360K union soldiers killed by Lincoln. 258K confederate soldiers killed by Lincoln. It took 2.1 million Yankess to squeak by 1.1 million Confederates.

The Confederacy was kicking the Yankee's a$$e$ until Lincoln hoodwinked 180K Irish right off the boats to fight.

The only smashing of the confederacy was during Lincoln's "Reconstruction"

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sorry for your loss

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Don't feel sorry for me.

The South WILL rise again.

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No it won't. Not many people today care about their state enough to fight for it. Especially not since so many people move states, don't live in the same hometown all their life, etc.

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You could also say that enough people love their state enough to keep it out of a new Gotterdammerung.

cowboycwr said:

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Thee University said:

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clubhi said:

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last time it happened the confederacy got smashed

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Really?

360K union soldiers killed by Lincoln. 258K confederate soldiers killed by Lincoln. It took 2.1 million Yankess to squeak by 1.1 million Confederates.

The Confederacy was kicking the Yankee's a$$e$ until Lincoln hoodwinked 180K Irish right off the boats to fight.

The only smashing of the confederacy was during Lincoln's "Reconstruction"

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Horribly flawed, wrong and revisionist history.

Lincoln didn't start the war. The slave owners did.

The slave owners killed those union soldiers.

The suave owners killed those mostly poor southerners who fought so the shave owners could keep slaves.

Lincoln was dead during reconstruction.

Everything you posted was absolute garbage and not true.

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Lincoln absolutely started the war...not even a close call.

Many wealthy slave owners in the South had sent their sons to universities in the North. Had business connections in the North . They knew first hand the difference in industrial capabilities .These wealthy slave owners had the most to lose in a war with the North ....and knew they had little chance to win unless England or France actively supported the South .

Radical Republicans instituted the worst policies of Reconstruction . They weren't exactly upset that Lincoln was in his grave as his proposed post war policies were much easier on the South .

South won't rise again...that's for sure.

cowboycwr said:

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Thee University said:

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clubhi said:

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last time it happened the confederacy got smashed

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Really?

360K union soldiers killed by Lincoln. 258K confederate soldiers killed by Lincoln. It took 2.1 million Yankess to squeak by 1.1 million Confederates.

The Confederacy was kicking the Yankee's a$$e$ until Lincoln hoodwinked 180K Irish right off the boats to fight.

The only smashing of the confederacy was during Lincoln's "Reconstruction"

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Horribly flawed, wrong and revisionist history. (Most versions of it are)

Lincoln didn't start the war. The slave owners did. (Not true, they asked to leave and Lincoln said no. The war was started by Lincoln)

The slave owners killed those union soldiers. (Not true)

The suave owners killed those mostly poor southerners who fought so the shave owners could keep slaves. (Not true)

Lincoln was dead during reconstruction. (True)

Everything you posted was absolute garbage and not true.(most everything you posted is as well)

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cowboycwr said:

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Thee University said:

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clubhi said:

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last time it happened the confederacy got smashed

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Really?

360K union soldiers killed by Lincoln. 258K confederate soldiers killed by Lincoln. It took 2.1 million Yankess to squeak by 1.1 million Confederates.

The Confederacy was kicking the Yankee's a$$e$ until Lincoln hoodwinked 180K Irish right off the boats to fight.

The only smashing of the confederacy was during Lincoln's "Reconstruction"

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Horribly flawed, wrong and revisionist history.

Lincoln didn't start the war. The slave owners did.

The slave owners killed those union soldiers.

The suave owners killed those mostly poor southerners who fought so the shave owners could keep slaves.

Lincoln was dead during reconstruction.

Everything you posted was absolute garbage and not true.

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Here is more truth for your idiotic lies above:

Soon after Jefferson Davis became the first president of the CSA, he dispatched a commission to Washington, DC to negotiate a treaty and an offer to pay for all Federal property in the South. But Lincoln refused to meet with the emissaries, believing acknowledgment would discredit his position that secession was illegal.
And that thinking also thwarted the final attempt to resolve the dilemma through peaceful means.

At the time Southern states began seceding, many of the Union forts within their borders were abandoned, save a few. Consider that the US Military (and government) at the start of the Civil War resembled little like what we have today. The United States had a standing army of about sixteen thousand men in 1861, most of whom served in poorly equipped outposts.

Fort Sumter, a sparsely populated duty collection point in Charleston harbor, was one of the few forts where Union personnel remained. As was evident from Lincoln's contemporaries, an attempt to send Union troops into any of the Confederate states would provoke a war.

Lincoln knew that if South Carolina and the Confederacy allowed the fort to be provisioned, it would make a mockery of their sovereignty. And if the Confederacy fired on the Union ships, it would have been the Confederacy, not Lincoln who fired the first shots of the war.

"He was a master of the situation," wrote Lincoln's private secretaries John G. Nicolay and John Hay. "Master if the rebels hesitated or repented, because they would thereby forfeit their prestige with the South; master if they persisted, for he would then command a united North."

Lincoln knew what he was doing when he ordered Fort Sumter to be resupplied. He was a cunning politician and Fort Sumter was his opportunity. He seized it believing it would be a short war. He couldn't have been more wrong.

Viewing the Civil War as a crusade to end slavery is simply not correct; abolitionists never accounted for more than a sizeable minority in the North. The cause of war in 1861 wasn't slavery. It was about the loss of millions in tax revenues.

The Confederate states had no aspirations to rule the Union any more than George Washington sought control over Great Britain in 1776. In both the American Revolutionary War and the "Civil War," independence was the goal.

The idea that the Civil War was some sort of a morality play about freeing Southern slaves is an ideological distortion that obfuscates many of the atrocities that occurred during and after the war.

But if we accept the idea that Lincoln was waging war to free the slaves, it helps justify the loss of over 600,000 American lives. Not to mention the financial cost of the war, which many historians believe could have been avoided.

From all outward accounts, Lincoln wanted a war with the South some might say he needed it and that's what he got. The loss of tax revenues from the Southern ports would not go unpunished as he promised in his inaugural address.

But after more than a year at war, the Union's prospects for victory were in doubt.

Losses to the Army in significant battles had the Union mired in a bloody quagmire. Moreover, Britain and France were considering support for the Confederacy by recognizing it as a sovereign country, which could have concretized secession and put Lincoln's forces at risk of having to fight against Confederate allies from Europe.

It's important to recognize that up until September 1862, the stated purpose of the war had been to preserve the Union. With the issuance of the Emancipation Proclamation, Lincoln sought to change the focus of the war.
But the Emancipation Proclamation freed no one. Not a single slave.

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South won't rise again...that's for sure.

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Not to fight the Yankees but to secede from the liberal policies and areas of the left leaning idiots in the United States.

Secession can come in a number of different ways.

We are already divided.

Woodrow Wilson, writing in History of the American People, proposed that, "It was necessary to put the South at a moral disadvantage by transforming the contest from a war waged against states fighting for their independence into a war waged against states fighting for the maintenance and extension of slavery."

Prior to the proclamation, Lincoln confessed to New York Tribune editor Horace Greeley, "My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that."

Charles Dickens observed of the proclamation, "The Northern onslaught upon slavery is no more than a piece of specious humbug designed to conceal its desire for economic control of the Southern states."

I wasn't there then so idk

All I know is what I read and if that's as true as what's written today, then I have no chance of seeing the truth about the Civil War

I do know my family lineage was thinned during that war, that's a fact, and none were Yankees