Osodecentx said:Link?Freedomb3ar said:
Doctor has seen over 1100 Patients. 0 that originally had covid naturally have had covid twice
Her patients are over 80% that have had covid after being vaccinated.
People can believe what msnbc etc tell them. Most would rather listen to the doctors not being coerced into losing their job if they are out of line with management.
ThanksATL Bear said:I think it's unequivocal that our immune system is better than the vaccine. And as I meant by "technically", the vaccine is useless without our effective immune system. That's why most of the trouble in "breakthrough" cases are still in the same vulnerable demographics as pre-vaccine.Osodecentx said:Sorry. The prior poster said: "Basically, "my immune system is better than the vaccine." It isn't."ATL Bear said:Which part?Osodecentx said:I don't understand your post. Would you elaborate?ATL Bear said:Technically it is. Otherwise this whittled down component of the virus vehicle that is the COVID vaccine wouldn't work at all.D. C. Bear said:You weren't unclear. Just pointing that out because I do see arguments made that "natural immunity" is superior, so I won't get the vaccine even among people who haven't been infected. Basically, "my immune system is better than the vaccine." It isn't.Forest Bueller_bf said:I'm only talking about people who have made a 100% recovery from the actual virus.D. C. Bear said:Naturally acquired immunity is likely very effective at preventing reinfection, but the vaccines are effective at (1) preventing infection in the first place and (2) preventing serious first-time infections. Whatever "natural immunity" people have prior to infection does not provide better protection than the vaccines. If you haven't had COVID, the vaccines are your best route to protection. If you have, you've got pretty good protection already, although the vaccines may add a little more.Forest Bueller_bf said:
Of course natural immunity is the best.
There is no better fighter against a specific illness than an immune system that has a copy
of the illness, and remembers how to fight and what to fight.
If you have the actual antibodies of the disease and you survived it, you have the gold standard
of immune response.
No other group will be close.
Of course getting the vaccine before the illness is better than an immune system that hasn't ever encountered the virus.
I thought I was fairly clear. Sorry if not.
Part of your answer was: "Technically it is. Otherwise this whittled down component of the virus vehicle that is the COVID vaccine wouldn't work at all. "
I interpreted your answer to be an attempt to refute the first statement, i.e. that the human immune system is better than the vaccine. I respect your knowledge and opinion on this subject, but I didn't understand your answer.
The vaccine is a stimulator of our immune system to give us a kick start against COVID. Some don't have the ability to get enough immuno response before it gets deep into the lungs where the real damage is done. But that's the 5-15% in the most vulnerable populations. The vast majority fight it off in the nasal passages and upper respiratory tract and get along with life, with and without the vaccine. The vaccine just raises the odds even higher that the battle will remain in the "safe zones", and providing us with a head start if/when the virus enters our body, and protecting ourselves against unknown underlying conditions that COVID may take advantage of. But our bodies already had the ability to throw it off as evidenced by the high rate of modest cases and overall recovery.
That is why I preach the importance of immune health. If you can put aside the emotion of the pandemic, objectively you have to marvel at the human body instead of wallowing in fear. It took on a highly contagious novel respiratory virus likely genetically engineered with gain of function enhancements to not only replication, but specific protein receptor targets, and outside of a small percentage of cases, beat it back. But as I've said, if you're over 40 and especially 50, you're foolish not to get vaccinated. Our bodies are just not as good at protecting itself the older we get, so we need the head start on something with rapid replication like COVID (especially Delta).
RightFreedomb3ar said:Osodecentx said:Link?Freedomb3ar said:
Doctor has seen over 1100 Patients. 0 that originally had covid naturally have had covid twice
Her patients are over 80% that have had covid after being vaccinated.
People can believe what msnbc etc tell them. Most would rather listen to the doctors not being coerced into losing their job if they are out of line with management.
Family doctor
LIB,MR BEARS said:
I tested positive yesterday. I feel like I have a mild sinus infection, can't smell and have not had a fever. I go for my monoclonal antibody infusion later this morning. What am I about to get into or better yet, what's about yo get into me?
PS, I got the Phyzer vaccine late winter/early spring.
For the medical professionals. Can you give me the reader's digest version of monoclonal antibodies?LIB,MR BEARS said:
I tested positive yesterday. I feel like I have a mild sinus infection, can't smell and have not had a fever. I go for my monoclonal antibody infusion later this morning. What am I about to get into or better yet, what's about yo get into me?
PS, I got the Phyzer vaccine late winter/early spring.
LIB,MR BEARS said:
I tested positive yesterday. I feel like I have a mild sinus infection, can't smell and have not had a fever. I go for my monoclonal antibody infusion later this morning. What am I about to get into or better yet, what's about yo get into me?
PS, I got the Phyzer vaccine late winter/early spring.
Now, missing EcoHealth Grant Report shows Daszak engaged in risky Gain-of-Function experiments in China.
— Jeff Carlson (@themarketswork) October 21, 2021
“Changing the receptor binding site on MERS (from DPP4 to ACE2) is sort of crazy”
Nunberg described the experiment as “definitely gain of function”https://t.co/QykPfLIACz
Get the shot. The only one confused is you and your ilk who have "counter evidence." I don't take chances with my health so I get the shots.Doc Holliday said:The conflict of information is insane. Someone is profoundly wrong.Sam Lowry said:
Policy-makers are understandably hesitant because of conflicting info.
New CDC Study: Vaccination Offers Higher Protection than Previous COVID-19 Infection
The Israel study showing prior infected are 27 times less likely to get a second symptomatic covid infection than those who were vaccinated goes heavily against your study.
You replied to my post about it being lab created.Waco1947 said:Get the shot. The only one confused is you and your ilk who have "counter evidence." I don't take chances with my health so I get the shots.Doc Holliday said:The conflict of information is insane. Someone is profoundly wrong.Sam Lowry said:
Policy-makers are understandably hesitant because of conflicting info.
New CDC Study: Vaccination Offers Higher Protection than Previous COVID-19 Infection
The Israel study showing prior infected are 27 times less likely to get a second symptomatic covid infection than those who were vaccinated goes heavily against your study.
My apologies. You are exactly righyDoc Holliday said:You replied to my post about it being lab created.Waco1947 said:Get the shot. The only one confused is you and your ilk who have "counter evidence." I don't take chances with my health so I get the shots.Doc Holliday said:The conflict of information is insane. Someone is profoundly wrong.Sam Lowry said:
Policy-makers are understandably hesitant because of conflicting info.
New CDC Study: Vaccination Offers Higher Protection than Previous COVID-19 Infection
The Israel study showing prior infected are 27 times less likely to get a second symptomatic covid infection than those who were vaccinated goes heavily against your study.
Counter evidence to what? The OP is about natural immunity. I got the Pfizer vax so what ilk are you talking about?
Things are going to get way worse as Biden's vax rules drive up to 25% of current workers out of the workforce. There seems to be very little justification for this cost based on this research. https://t.co/ofHP884LYY
— Coyoteblog (@Coyoteblog) October 31, 2021
Biden maintaining his 100% Perfect score at making stupid policy that is no benefit to society.jupiter said:Things are going to get way worse as Biden's vax rules drive up to 25% of current workers out of the workforce. There seems to be very little justification for this cost based on this research. https://t.co/ofHP884LYY
— Coyoteblog (@Coyoteblog) October 31, 2021
Biden is on an unusual streak of self inflicted injuries. I almost think Mitch McConnell is directing WH policy so the GOP can prosper.4th and Inches said:Biden maintaining his 100% Perfect score at making stupid policy that is no benefit to society.jupiter said:Things are going to get way worse as Biden's vax rules drive up to 25% of current workers out of the workforce. There seems to be very little justification for this cost based on this research. https://t.co/ofHP884LYY
— Coyoteblog (@Coyoteblog) October 31, 2021
unusual? Not according to Obama..Osodecentx said:Biden is on an unusual streak of self inflicted injuries. I almost think Mitch McConnell is directing WH policy so the GOP can prosper.4th and Inches said:Biden maintaining his 100% Perfect score at making stupid policy that is no benefit to society.jupiter said:Things are going to get way worse as Biden's vax rules drive up to 25% of current workers out of the workforce. There seems to be very little justification for this cost based on this research. https://t.co/ofHP884LYY
— Coyoteblog (@Coyoteblog) October 31, 2021
