NEW: A school administrator in Southlake, Texas, advised teachers last week that if they have a book about the Holocaust in their classroom, they should also have a book with an "opposing" perspective.
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Carroll ISD advises teachers to provide opposing view of Holocaust
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My late father in law always believed the Nazi death camps were fake......a Hollywood propaganda production .
Even when I showed him original British army films of the camps......with thousands of unburied corpses still lying on the ground....he said it was all lies.
Of course over a million German civilians were massacred by the Russians in the final stages of the war. Thousands more were raped. . Rarely read anything about it .
Tens of thousands of German POW's died of starvation, disease and exposure while in US, British and French prison camps.....long after the war was over. Almost never read about that .
Just as with the Civil War....the winners write the vast majority of the history books .
Even when I showed him original British army films of the camps......with thousands of unburied corpses still lying on the ground....he said it was all lies.
Of course over a million German civilians were massacred by the Russians in the final stages of the war. Thousands more were raped. . Rarely read anything about it .
Tens of thousands of German POW's died of starvation, disease and exposure while in US, British and French prison camps.....long after the war was over. Almost never read about that .
Just as with the Civil War....the winners write the vast majority of the history books .
German POW's in Arkansas helped provide labor for local farms, including my grandfather's. My mother remembered them well. The ones she saw were not malnourished. I can't vouch for any Brit or French camps. They certainly had more rationalization opportunities to be less merciful.
This requirement for alternative views of the holocaust, however, is disturbing if it requires the view that it did not happen.
This requirement for alternative views of the holocaust, however, is disturbing if it requires the view that it did not happen.
Happens every once in a while. Parents at that ISD will have to get the admin in check.
Damage control in effect
NEW from @watchkeep who is a parent at @Carrollisd:
— Nancy Levine (@nancylevine) October 15, 2021
Message tonight from Dr. Lane Ledbetter, Superintendent of Schools at Carroll Independent School District in Texas, where administrator Gina Peddy made comments about the Holocaust. pic.twitter.com/PZkpwjTnSO
EatMoreSalmon said:
German POW's in Arkansas helped provide labor for local farms, including my grandfather's. My mother remembered them well. The ones she saw were not malnourished. I can't vouch for any Brit or French camps.
The abuse of German POW's occurred almost exclusively on the European continent. Eisenhower bares a ton of responsibility for what happened…….and the French were particularly brutal .
German POW's in camps located in the United States were treated extremely well . Many Germans wrote home to say they were better fed than civilians back in Germany . Reportedly black US army troops guarding the prisoners complained that locals treated the Germans better than them .
My material grandfather ran a Axis (mostly German/ but some Italian soldiers) POW camp near Mexia. Almost all had been taken prisoner during the North African and Italy campaigns.Canada2017 said:EatMoreSalmon said:
German POW's in Arkansas helped provide labor for local farms, including my grandfather's. My mother remembered them well. The ones she saw were not malnourished. I can't vouch for any Brit or French camps.
The abuse of German POW's occurred almost exclusively on the European continent. Eisenhower bares a ton of responsibility for what happened…….and the French were particularly brutal .
German POW's in camps located in the United States were treated extremely well . Many Germans wrote home to say they were better fed than civilians back in Germany . Reportedly black US army troops guarding the prisoners complained that locals treated the Germans better than them .
He respected the heck out of those soldiers.
We still have in the family a painting of my grandmother (grandfather's girlfriend at the time) portrait painted by a German officer who went to school for art in Hamburg pre-war.
My grandmother came on camp often to see my grandfather for lunch (basically dates)...and the guy went over to my granddad and asked if he could paint a head portrait of her. She agreed to sit for it and we still have it!
That is very cool.Redbrickbear said:My material grandfather ran a Axis (mostly German/ but some Italian soldiers) POW camp near Mexia.Canada2017 said:EatMoreSalmon said:
German POW's in Arkansas helped provide labor for local farms, including my grandfather's. My mother remembered them well. The ones she saw were not malnourished. I can't vouch for any Brit or French camps.
The abuse of German POW's occurred almost exclusively on the European continent. Eisenhower bares a ton of responsibility for what happened…….and the French were particularly brutal .
German POW's in camps located in the United States were treated extremely well . Many Germans wrote home to say they were better fed than civilians back in Germany . Reportedly black US army troops guarding the prisoners complained that locals treated the Germans better than them .
He respected the heck out of those soldiers.
We still have in the family a painting of my grandmother (grandfather's girlfriend at the time) portrait painted by a German officer who went to school for art in Hamburg pre-war.
My grandmother came on camp often to see my grandfather for lunch (basically dates)...and the guy went over to my granddad and asked if he could paint a head portrait of her. She agreed to sit for it and we still have it!
My Dad's best friend after the war was a former German solder who surrendered to the Americans rather than the Russians . This guy ( his name was Paul ) then moved to the United States with his wife.
Paul told me all kinds of war stories from the German perspective . The one that made the biggest impression was Paul's account that the Russian civilians initially treated the invading German army as ' liberators from Stalin's brutality '. He said ' If we had just treated the Russian people decently we could have walked to Moscow unopposed '.
Canada2017 said:That is very cool.Redbrickbear said:My material grandfather ran a Axis (mostly German/ but some Italian soldiers) POW camp near Mexia.Canada2017 said:EatMoreSalmon said:
German POW's in Arkansas helped provide labor for local farms, including my grandfather's. My mother remembered them well. The ones she saw were not malnourished. I can't vouch for any Brit or French camps.
The abuse of German POW's occurred almost exclusively on the European continent. Eisenhower bares a ton of responsibility for what happened…….and the French were particularly brutal .
German POW's in camps located in the United States were treated extremely well . Many Germans wrote home to say they were better fed than civilians back in Germany . Reportedly black US army troops guarding the prisoners complained that locals treated the Germans better than them .
He respected the heck out of those soldiers.
We still have in the family a painting of my grandmother (grandfather's girlfriend at the time) portrait painted by a German officer who went to school for art in Hamburg pre-war.
My grandmother came on camp often to see my grandfather for lunch (basically dates)...and the guy went over to my granddad and asked if he could paint a head portrait of her. She agreed to sit for it and we still have it!
My Dad's best friend after the war was a former German solder who surrendered to the Americans rather than the Russians . This guy ( his name was Paul ) then moved to the United States with his wife.
Paul told me all kinds of war stories from the German perspective . The one that made the biggest impression was Paul's account that the Russian civilians initially treated the invading German army as ' liberators from Stalin's brutality '. He said ' If we had just treated the Russian people decently we could have walked to Moscow unopposed '.
Yeah, that's crazy, right? Maybe people just want to be treated respectfully. Do you think the 6 million Jews thought so, or just the Nazi liberators of Moscow?
My uncle, who lived in Waco, was the first American officer into Dachau. If the preservers if history are a noble as its makers, then the ignorant or deniers of history are a threat to free life everywhere.
This is what people warned about when we started passing laws over "CRT". As if teachers weren't stressed enough already, now they are supposed to personally vet every book in their elementary classrooms, in between getting shouted at by angry white people over something they saw on Facebook?
Republicans are in open warfare against public education and the people who run it. This meeting full of chaos and confused teachers, afraid to say things for fear of reprisal due to a (purposefully) vague new censorship law, is exactly what was intended.
Republicans are in open warfare against public education and the people who run it. This meeting full of chaos and confused teachers, afraid to say things for fear of reprisal due to a (purposefully) vague new censorship law, is exactly what was intended.
This is from last week when the Carroll school board reprimanded a teacher for a book in her classroom library
“I would like to let the teachers know that if you are worried about teaching in this school district that you should watch this vote,” a school board member said. https://t.co/O6WGWz3wgF
— Fort Worth Star-Telegram (@startelegram) October 8, 2021
To your first paragraph, anyone that has knowledge of the war knows that. and it happened because of the trail of similar destruction the Germans left on their march east.Canada2017 said:
Of course over a million German civilians were massacred by the Russians in the final stages of the war. Thousands more were raped. . Rarely read anything about it .
Tens of thousands of German POW's died of starvation, disease and exposure while in US, British and French prison camps.....long after the war was over. Almost never read about that .
to your second paragraph, that is simply not true. Please point me to your reference for that piece of history.
HuMcK said:
This is what people warned about when we started passing laws over "CRT". As if teachers weren't stressed enough already, now they are supposed to personally vet every book in their elementary classrooms, in between getting shouted at by angry white people over something they saw on Facebook?
Republicans are in open warfare against public education and the people who run it. This meeting full of chaos and confused teachers, afraid to say things for fear of reprisal due to a (purposefully) vague new censorship law, is exactly what was intended.
People warned against non-public conversations where people misspeak (or a leftist administrator caricatures the law) and are immediately and explicitly corrected in public to dispel any notion that the misspeak (or caricature of the actual law) is or would ever be policy?
Thanks for the warning.
You are consistently clueless on almost every topic and rarely worth communicating with...but here goes.Porteroso said:Canada2017 said:That is very cool.Redbrickbear said:My material grandfather ran a Axis (mostly German/ but some Italian soldiers) POW camp near Mexia.Canada2017 said:EatMoreSalmon said:
German POW's in Arkansas helped provide labor for local farms, including my grandfather's. My mother remembered them well. The ones she saw were not malnourished. I can't vouch for any Brit or French camps.
The abuse of German POW's occurred almost exclusively on the European continent. Eisenhower bares a ton of responsibility for what happened…….and the French were particularly brutal .
German POW's in camps located in the United States were treated extremely well . Many Germans wrote home to say they were better fed than civilians back in Germany . Reportedly black US army troops guarding the prisoners complained that locals treated the Germans better than them .
He respected the heck out of those soldiers.
We still have in the family a painting of my grandmother (grandfather's girlfriend at the time) portrait painted by a German officer who went to school for art in Hamburg pre-war.
My grandmother came on camp often to see my grandfather for lunch (basically dates)...and the guy went over to my granddad and asked if he could paint a head portrait of her. She agreed to sit for it and we still have it!
My Dad's best friend after the war was a former German solder who surrendered to the Americans rather than the Russians . This guy ( his name was Paul ) then moved to the United States with his wife.
Paul told me all kinds of war stories from the German perspective . The one that made the biggest impression was Paul's account that the Russian civilians initially treated the invading German army as ' liberators from Stalin's brutality '. He said ' If we had just treated the Russian people decently we could have walked to Moscow unopposed '.
Yeah, that's crazy, right? Maybe people just want to be treated respectfully. Do you think the 6 million Jews thought so, or just the Nazi liberators of Moscow?
Stalin had been executing thousands of his own people for years before the war. Intentionally starved to death 2-3 million and exiled tens of thousands to the Siberian gulags . When Russia occupied the eastern half of Poland early in the war Stalin ordered the immediate execution of over 6000 captured Polish officers. When the Germans discovered the mass graves Hitler had the international Red Cross investigate the site to confirm Russian complicity . Stalin was psychopath ........the Russian people were terrified of him.
Paul mentioned how over 400,000 RUSSIANS joined the German army. ( double checked this as I found it so hard to believe. BTW at the end of the war Stalin executed each and every one of these men )
I asked Paul what changed the attitude of the Russian people toward the invading German army .
' Our stupid SS units began rounding up villagers and executing them...by the thousands . So naturally they began fighting us to the death. '
BTW Paul also mentioned he always saw a huge amount of AMERICAN equipment captured from the Russians ...especially trucks and artillery pieces. Without such American aid Paul believed the Russian army would have collapsed .
What-if scenarios always generate noise. And war is pretty much awful for everyone involved.
It should be pretty obvious that Hitler and Stalin were both evil monsters, who put their people through a meat grinder for a decade or more of suffering.
I'm sure the people of Ukraine, Poland, etc. would have loved the option of being British, American, and so on, but they were left with the classic dilemma of choosing a lesser evil and with guns pointed at them to boot.
It should be pretty obvious that Hitler and Stalin were both evil monsters, who put their people through a meat grinder for a decade or more of suffering.
I'm sure the people of Ukraine, Poland, etc. would have loved the option of being British, American, and so on, but they were left with the classic dilemma of choosing a lesser evil and with guns pointed at them to boot.
That which does not kill me, will try again and get nastier
Mistreatment of German POWs has nothing to do with whether the Holocaust was a fact. Both could occur, and one wouldn't justify the other
A. Not exactly. The majority of historians have ignored the massive expulsion imposed on millions of German civilians in what had been eastern Germany AFTER the war. was over. At least a million German civilians died during this regional 'cleansing ' from summary executions, exposure and malnutrition .bularry said:To your first paragraph, anyone that has knowledge of the war knows that. and it happened because of the trail of similar destruction the Germans left on their march east.Canada2017 said:
Of course over a million German civilians were massacred by the Russians in the final stages of the war. Thousands more were raped. . Rarely read anything about it .
Tens of thousands of German POW's died of starvation, disease and exposure while in US, British and French prison camps.....long after the war was over. Almost never read about that .
to your second paragraph, that is simply not true. Please point me to your reference for that piece of history.
B. It is absolutely true . Such information only became available over the last 25 years. You can find it...or not.
The French and British had German POW's digging up old mine fields with only their bare hands. Hundreds were killed every month . Eisenhower ( and I like the guy ) never established decent POW camps for the Germans. Thousands died from exposure, disease and basic neglect. BTW Germany was on the edge of total starvation for 2-3 years following the war as the country had literally been torn apart.
C. Something else you may not choose to believe. American troops occupying Japan at the conclusion of the war......raped over 50,000 Japanese women within 2 years. It was so rampant local Japanese officials organized hundreds of brothels with 'volunteer' women to 'help' with the problem . Like Germany...Japan also suffered from a basic lack of food for almost four years following the end of the war.
AgreedOsodecentx said:
Mistreatment of German POWs has nothing to do with whether the Holocaust was a fact. Both could occur, and one wouldn't justify the other
Merely attempting to point out.......... winners dictate the version of 'history' that people think they know.
And Stalin was every bit of a psychotic murderer as Adolf Hitler. Stalin was just on the winning side.
When the death camps were liberated, Eisenhower ordered German civilians and Allied troops to walk through the camps and for Signal Corps photographers to take phots and movie reels of the camps as they were found by the liberating armies. He understood that Holocaust deniers would be prevalent both short term and long term and that overwhelming proof is best way to counter doubters and liars.
Ike had an enormous capacity for understanding human nature and motives.
Ike had an enormous capacity for understanding human nature and motives.
It is about time.HuMcK said:
Republicans are in open warfare against public education and the people who run it.
Amal Shuq-Up said:It is about time.HuMcK said:
Republicans are in open warfare against public education and the people who run it.
Well passed time.
Diversity and inclusion even diversity implementation is great.
Another little book with the intent to separate us into each "box",
including the "Upper middle class, white, athletic, cisgender, dominant culture box"
Is mind numbing and bigoted. You aren't born into a "box".
Another little book with the intent to separate us into each "box",
including the "Upper middle class, white, athletic, cisgender, dominant culture box"
Is mind numbing and bigoted. You aren't born into a "box".
Right on, Forest.Forest Bueller_bf said:
Diversity and inclusion even diversity implementation is great.
Another little book with the intent to separate us into each "box",
including the "Upper middle class, white, athletic, cisgender, dominant culture box"
Is mind numbing and bigoted. You aren't born into a "box".
The superintendent of the Carroll Independent School District in Southlake is apologizing after an administrator told teachers they had to offer an opposing viewpoint on books about the Holocaust. https://t.co/fxyZYsUYwr
— FOX 29 (@FOX29philly) October 15, 2021
Japanese practiced horrible war crimes on a huge scale...
I'm not saying that their treatment was right, but I can understand why the French may have been like that.Canada2017 said:
The abuse of German POW's occurred almost exclusively on the European continent. Eisenhower bares a ton of responsibility for what happened…….and the French were particularly brutal .
I've ready similar accounts. We know why we have so many German settlements in Texas after the war. They loved it here.Canada2017 said:
German POW's in camps located in the United States were treated extremely well . Many Germans wrote home to say they were better fed than civilians back in Germany . Reportedly black US army troops guarding the prisoners complained that locals treated the Germans better than them .
boognish_bear said:The superintendent of the Carroll Independent School District in Southlake is apologizing after an administrator told teachers they had to offer an opposing viewpoint on books about the Holocaust. https://t.co/fxyZYsUYwr
— FOX 29 (@FOX29philly) October 15, 2021
Meanwhile the Loudon county school superintendent continues to lie about the rape/sexual assaults of students which they covered up….because tr@nn13$.
ilbb990912 said:
Japanese practiced horrible war crimes on a huge scale...
Which is why the Japanese are still hated in many parts of China, South Korea, Indonesia, the Philippines and Thailand .
Coke Bear said:I'm not saying that their treatment was right, but I can understand why the French may have been like that.Canada2017 said:
The abuse of German POW's occurred almost exclusively on the European continent. Eisenhower bares a ton of responsibility for what happened…….and the French were particularly brutal .I've ready similar accounts. We know why we have so many German settlements in Texas after the war. They loved it here.Canada2017 said:
German POW's in camps located in the United States were treated extremely well . Many Germans wrote home to say they were better fed than civilians back in Germany . Reportedly black US army troops guarding the prisoners complained that locals treated the Germans better than them .
LOL
The Japanese army killed at least 14 million (if not more) Chinese civilians during the war.ilbb990912 said:
Japanese practiced horrible war crimes on a huge scale...
Far more than the 5-6 million Jews killed by the Nazi regime.
And they didn't do it in secret like the Nazis.
The rapes, slavery, and human experimentation were far worse by the JapaneseRedbrickbear said:The Japanese army killed at least 14 million (if not more) Chinese civilians during the war.ilbb990912 said:
Japanese practiced horrible war crimes on a huge scale...
Far more than the 5-6 million Jews killed by the Nazi regime.
And they didn't do it in secret like the Nazis.
That which does not kill me, will try again and get nastier