Illegals in Martha's Vineyard

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New York State apparently is over stimulated.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/gov-kathy-hochul-message-migrants-looking-come-new-york-go-somewhere-else
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Wrecks Quan Dough said:

New York State apparently is over stimulated.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/gov-kathy-hochul-message-migrants-looking-come-new-york-go-somewhere-else

DEBUNKED!!

Migrants are a net positive and benefit to the communities they live in!!
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Wrecks Quan Dough said:

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Why do you think it is that the economy expanded under Trump when the flow of illegals slowed and many self deported? Why did wages for minorities and entry level positions increase during that time? Could it be that embracing uncontrolled illegal passage into this country hurts our own people and keeps our citizens from improving their own lives? Supporting illegal immigration is not compassionate for our citizens or for the people who make the dangerous trip and are abused by the cartels in the process.
There's four big macroeconomic levers a POTUS has to work with:
1) Fiscal policy. That's deficit spending + tax cuts + targeted incentives in certain sectors.
2) Monetary policy. That's low/high interest rates to stimulate investment.
3) Regulatory reform. Has a tax-cut effect (without the deficit spending impacts.)
4) Population growth. More people = more consumption (spending).

Obama's big error was that he maxed out on 1 & 2 but then actually increased regulations (Obamacare). Businesses for a couple of years did not really know where the breakeven points were on labor, so you saw an explosion of part-time jobs, which mitigated both investment and consumption, which of course is what 1 & 2 are designed to stimulate. In a sense, one could say Obama had one foot on the gas pedal, and the other on the brake. And his economy sputtered. So what did he do? He looked the other way on the border to keep from running things in the ditch.

Trump ran with tax cuts, still had low interest rates, and engaged in regulatory reform that would have made Reagan blush. And don't overlook energy dominance (lower fuel prices) was very stimulatory fiscal policy.

Biden is screwing the pooch, economically. Trying to build a green economy instead of pursuing energy dominance, and helping supply chains recover from Covid and re-shoring. It's conceptually similar to what Obama did with Obamacare - made what coulda been a pretty good bowl of punch, then dropped a turd in it.


Let us acknowledge that there is a point where deficit spending becomes non stimulative and that there are some people who function as a net drag on the economy and health of a nation even though they add to headcount. If that were not the case, then NYC would be begging for more of Gov. Abbott's buses.
There's a diminishing marginal return on many things, and deficit spending is one of them. Similar for interest rates. Zero is zero. Regulatory reform is free (but Democrats won't do it). And people, illegals.....they typically do get to work and start paying taxes. So it's pain for a gain = economically and demographically speaking, there is no difference between a legal immigrant and an illegal immigrant. If they are here, they are consuming.


The best argument against illegal immigration is that it trashes rule of law. Our government is contorting itself to conduct a policy which is directly at odds with the will of the people and is contraindicated by law. That effort is aided by several levels of NGOs and organized crime on both sides of the border. We need RICO investigations.
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whiterock said:

Wrecks Quan Dough said:

whiterock said:

Wrecks Quan Dough said:

Why do you think it is that the economy expanded under Trump when the flow of illegals slowed and many self deported? Why did wages for minorities and entry level positions increase during that time? Could it be that embracing uncontrolled illegal passage into this country hurts our own people and keeps our citizens from improving their own lives? Supporting illegal immigration is not compassionate for our citizens or for the people who make the dangerous trip and are abused by the cartels in the process.
There's four big macroeconomic levers a POTUS has to work with:
1) Fiscal policy. That's deficit spending + tax cuts + targeted incentives in certain sectors.
2) Monetary policy. That's low/high interest rates to stimulate investment.
3) Regulatory reform. Has a tax-cut effect (without the deficit spending impacts.)
4) Population growth. More people = more consumption (spending).

Obama's big error was that he maxed out on 1 & 2 but then actually increased regulations (Obamacare). Businesses for a couple of years did not really know where the breakeven points were on labor, so you saw an explosion of part-time jobs, which mitigated both investment and consumption, which of course is what 1 & 2 are designed to stimulate. In a sense, one could say Obama had one foot on the gas pedal, and the other on the brake. And his economy sputtered. So what did he do? He looked the other way on the border to keep from running things in the ditch.

Trump ran with tax cuts, still had low interest rates, and engaged in regulatory reform that would have made Reagan blush. And don't overlook energy dominance (lower fuel prices) was very stimulatory fiscal policy.

Biden is screwing the pooch, economically. Trying to build a green economy instead of pursuing energy dominance, and helping supply chains recover from Covid and re-shoring. It's conceptually similar to what Obama did with Obamacare - made what coulda been a pretty good bowl of punch, then dropped a turd in it.


Let us acknowledge that there is a point where deficit spending becomes non stimulative and that there are some people who function as a net drag on the economy and health of a nation even though they add to headcount. If that were not the case, then NYC would be begging for more of Gov. Abbott's buses.
There's a diminishing marginal return on many things, and deficit spending is one of them. Similar for interest rates. Zero is zero. Regulatory reform is free (but Democrats won't do it). And people, illegals.....they typically do get to work and start paying taxes. So it's pain for a gain = economically and demographically speaking, there is no difference between a legal immigrant and an illegal immigrant. If they are here, they are consuming.


The best argument against illegal immigration is that it trashes rule of law. Our government is contorting itself to conduct a policy which is directly at odds with the will of the people and is contraindicated by law. That effort is aided by several levels of NGOs and organized crime on both sides of the border. We need RICO investigations.


Yes. We need investigations. And for violators to be treated as those who aid an invasion.
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Wrecks Quan Dough
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Cobretti said:




Democrats: break a few eggs, etc... But don't let them live in my neighborhood
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Wrecks Quan Dough
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This is going to turn hot soon.
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Jack Bauer said:




It grinds down the middle class in furtherance of Marxist objectives.
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Wrecks Quan Dough said:

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It grinds down the middle class in furtherance of Marxist objectives.
yes. but it's more than that. The demise of our trade relationship with China involves a lot of re-shoring of manufacturing, including a LOT to the USA. Tremendous tectonic plate shifting going on, and all of it involves labor jobs for which we do not have enough bodies. What is the macro-economic solution to such problems? Letting bodies walk across the Rio Grande to build the unskilled labor pool, to replace the existing workers who will have to be trained-up to take the more skilled positions being re-shored.

The reason we are seeing what we see on the border is because there are various interests across the political spectrum who want it, no matter how much the American people writ large oppose it.
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Wrecks Quan Dough
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Why is Texas tethered to Washington DC when it is attacking us?
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Wrecks Quan Dough said:

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Why is Texas tethered to Washington DC when it is attacking us?
there is a reason why support for secession is alarmingly high......
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Man, F these people. The majority of "refugees" coming into the country are able-bodied military age men!

Please send some of these poor refugees to Hollywood, Governor Abbot.!

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Jack Bauer said:

Man, F these people. The majority of "refugees" coming into the country are able-bodied military age men!

Please send some of these poor refugees to Hollywood, Governor Abbot.!




You cross the border unlawfully and plant your country's flag in Eagle Pass, Texas. You are a criminal.
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Wrecks Quan Dough
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Since they missed their chance the first time, we are just taking them to a proper port of entry to make their asylum claims.
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Wrecks Quan Dough said:

Jack Bauer said:

Man, F these people. The majority of "refugees" coming into the country are able-bodied military age men!

Please send some of these poor refugees to Hollywood, Governor Abbot.!




You cross the border unlawfully and plant your country's flag in Eagle Pass, Texas. You are a criminal.

Look at all the
-pregnant women
-disabled people
-children
-grandmothers running from bombs.

Must be ...zero of them here!

Jack Bauer
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Our Vp said the border is secure and so I believe her 100%

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Impeach, Remove, Repeat
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Whew - thank God we are getting rid of these monsters!

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JOOC, are you under the impression that people have to suffer from some disability in order to qualify as refugees?
 
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