I was looking at scores yesterday and couldn't help but notice Waco High has been atroucous for a very long time. Most metropolitan areas seem to have a high school that feeds into the NCAA program like Austin or Fayeteville or Bryan.

Is Woodway or Midway one and the same? Any area schools that are dominating?

University is headed to the play off.

Midway had been dominating from about 08 until 19 in 6a or the equivalent there of before there was a 6a. They were sending kids right and left to P5 schools across the country over that time. They have been terrible though the last two or 3 or so years though. I think they have won like 3-4 games over that time total. Not sure what happened. They did hire a new HC right before the drop off.

Money and resources, really. Tusa left in 2008 as Waco ISD was nosediving in quality of resources just as Midway was spiking. Midway's resources paired with Waco ISD's precipitous decline in quality of standard sealed the fate of the program. Then when Gambill showed up to turn Midway into a state power just as Tusa's predecessors stumbled, the future course was set. It isn't as hard to get kids eligible to play in neighboring districts as you might think. Midway is stumbling now, but they'll regain footing eventually. Waco High probably won't, at least to the standard of deep playoff runs as they'd occasion under Tusa.

Other than that, the norm. China Spring has been the area's best team lately. La Vega has stumbled a bit since Willie Williams retired. Mart is Mart, they'll compete for state every year. Crawford goes deep in the playoffs every year with kids who look like middle schoolers. Lorena dropped a class and won state, go figure, super happy for Ray Biles, one of the best guys in high school football you'll find.

Aliceinbubbleland said:

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I was looking at scores yesterday and couldn't help but notice Waco High has been atrocious for a very long time.

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Not true, not the "very long time" part. After Tusa left in 08 he was replaced by Danny Ramsey for 3 years then Marty Herbst for 6 years. Of those 9 seasons Waco made the playoffs 6 times (not "atrocious") and had a 9 win year, an 8 win year, a 7 win year and two 6 win years (not great but certainly not "atrocious"). That takes us up to 2018 when former Waco Lion player Kwame Cavil was hired - his time at the helm can only be described as 'Kevin Steelesque'; that's when the program hit rock bottom. Cavil's record in 3 years was 3-24.

I think I was looking at MapPrep web page so after seeing your reply I found Dave Campbell's space. Their chart looks like META right now. IOW they aren't going to feed BU.

12 9-4
13 8-4
14 2-8
15 6-5
16 5-5
17 6-5
18 1-9
19 1-9
20 1-6
21 0-10
22 1-7

Aliceinbubbleland said:

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I think I was looking at MapPrep web page so after seeing your reply I found Dave Campbell's space. Their chart looks like META right now. IOW they aren't going to feed BU.

12 9-4
13 8-4
14 2-8
15 6-5
16 5-5
17 6-5
18 1-9
19 1-9
20 1-6
21 0-10
22 1-7

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Can we get Midways too

Aliceinbubbleland said:

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12 9-4
13 8-4
14 2-8
15 6-5
16 5-5
17 6-5
18 1-9
19 1-9
20 1-6
21 0-10
22 1-7

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Like I said, only got really bad starting 2018; not a very long time.

University is my alma mater I couldn't be happier we finally made the playoffs after about 13 years of no post season. I also seen that Baylor offered a c/o 25 WR from University high school looks like he's going to be a nice prospect as he is listed at 6-1 175

Well glad you asked. Midway was much much better.
Played in 4A Title Game in 2011 and 6A Title Game in 2017

2012 12-3
2013 9-3
2014 12-1
2015 9-4
2016 8-3
2017 15-1
2018 11-2
2019 9-4
2020 2-7
2021 1-9

Aliceinbubbleland said:

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Well glad you asked. Midway was much much better.
Played in 4A Title Game in 2011 and 6A Title Game in 2017

2012 12-3
2013 9-3
2014 12-1
2015 9-4
2016 8-3
2017 15-1
2018 11-2
2019 9-4
2020 2-7
2021 1-9

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Thanks for posting, i remember Midway was turning it around when I was in high school thanks to John Hubert

MrGolfguy said:

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Aliceinbubbleland said:

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I was looking at scores yesterday and couldn't help but notice Waco High has been atrocious for a very long time.

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Not true, not the "very long time" part. After Tusa left in 08 he was replaced by Danny Ramsey for 3 years then Marty Herbst for 6 years. Of those 9 seasons Waco made the playoffs 6 times (not "atrocious") and had a 9 win year, an 8 win year, a 7 win year and two 6 win years (not great but certainly not "atrocious"). That takes us up to 2018 when former Waco Lion player Kwame Cavil was hired - his time at the helm can only be described as 'Kevin Steelesque'; that's when the program hit rock bottom. Cavil's record in 3 years was 3-24.

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That Cavil hire never made sense. But it was the middle f this phase the district seemed to have that was all about hiring alum for top jobs like that was going to fix everything both athletically and academically.

Back to my original question. Is there a Woodway HS or is Midway the Woodway HS?

Woodway goes to Midway

Hewitt and Woodway go to Midway High School which is located in Waco

There is a Woodway elementary that is part of Midway isd. But no woodway HS. For now the district is a one high school district.

But that may change in the near future as the growth in the district is going on rapidly and there may need to be a second high school built at some time in the future. It may still be 10 years out but not an unthinkable amount of time. Maybe even sooner. It was discussed as a possibility a few years back. Maybe about 5 or 6 in 2017 or 2018 when they did a massive study of the growth then.

there once was a Hewitt High School, though. And a Speegleville school.

Waco university is trending upward. They have Rodney smith son loudon smith who plays wr ( stud) Baylor already offered.

Wasn't tusa district ad for those hires?

SoonerFrogs said:

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there once was a Hewitt High School, though. And a Speegleville school.

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There was never a Hewitt high school.

Gobearsone said:

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SoonerFrogs said:

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there once was a Hewitt High School, though. And a Speegleville school.

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There was never a Hewitt high school.

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There is an old sign on 1st St. in Hewitt that has 'Hewitt High School' etched in it. It's close to the Baptist church, other side/across the street.

Midway got better when they got Multifamily affordable housing and people from Waco ISD moved there.

cowboycwr said:

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There is a Woodway elementary that is part of Midway isd. But no woodway HS. For now the district is a one high school district.

But that may change in the near future as the growth in the district is going on rapidly and there may need to be a second high school built at some time in the future. It may still be 10 years out but not an unthinkable amount of time. Maybe even sooner. It was discussed as a possibility a few years back. Maybe about 5 or 6 in 2017 or 2018 when they did a massive study of the growth then.

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This paragraph could have been written 20 years ago. Old school Midway arrogance and desire to be competitive has kept Midway a one-high school system for fear if the talent pool is diluted, NEITHER Midway High school will succeed.

Gobearsone said:

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SoonerFrogs said:

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there once was a Hewitt High School, though. And a Speegleville school.

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There was never a Hewitt high school.

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you sure about that?

br53 said:

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Midway got better when they got Multifamily affordable housing and people from Waco ISD moved there.

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So you're saying the blacks helped them?

BellCountyBear said:

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br53 said:

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Midway got better when they got Multifamily affordable housing and people from Waco ISD moved there.

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So you're saying the blacks helped them?

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Not sure about demographics and race. Haven't been to a Midway game in my life. I just know when they built the affordable multi-family housing that they got better.

I am a 1968 MIdway grad.

Midway high school is actually in Hewitt. Originally in Woodway at the corner of Hwy84 and Estates. That was the location when I graduated.

The name "Midway" came from the formation of the school was actually the consolidation of the Hewitt and South Bosque schools. And there is still an elementary in Speegleville. It is a part of the Midway ISD

The boundary between Waco and Hewitt is sort of up and down in the area of the high school. I believe the high school itself is in Waco, but the middle school (like 500 yards away in the same parking lot) is in Hewitt. Midway ISD police officers get certified in both agencies.

Aliceinbubbleland said:

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Well glad you asked. Midway was much much better.
Played in 4A Title Game in 2011 and 6A Title Game in 2017

2012 12-3
2013 9-3
2014 12-1
2015 9-4
2016 8-3
2017 15-1
2018 11-2
2019 9-4
2020 2-7
2021 1-9

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2022 Midway is currently 2-7. The era that began about 14-15 years ago is definitely over. The class of 18 ( Srs on the 17 team) was the best class in Midway history. They had guys like Chip Kelly, Riley, Bill Snyder, Saban etc visiting the school recruiting.

parch said:

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Money and resources, really. Tusa left in 2008 as Waco ISD was nosediving in quality of resources just as Midway was spiking. Midway's resources paired with Waco ISD's precipitous decline in quality of standard sealed the fate of the program. Then when Gambill showed up to turn Midway into a state power just as Tusa's predecessors stumbled, the future course was set. It isn't as hard to get kids eligible to play in neighboring districts as you might think. Midway is stumbling now, but they'll regain footing eventually. Waco High probably won't, at least to the standard of deep playoff runs as they'd occasion under Tusa.

Other than that, the norm. China Spring has been the area's best team lately. La Vega has stumbled a bit since Willie Williams retired. Mart is Mart, they'll compete for state every year. Crawford goes deep in the playoffs every year with kids who look like middle schoolers. Lorena dropped a class and won state, go figure, super happy for Ray Biles, one of the best guys in high school football you'll find.

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The old days of a powerful Waco High are obviously over. They could crawl back to decent if they stay 5A and keep a good coach in place, but that's likely it.

Midway should flash back - too much talent and commitment over there for them not to catch back up, but I don't know that they ever become a consistent power. They're obviously better off in a district heading south.

Nice to see University finally back in the playoffs. Rodney Smith's kid (freshman) is going to make a lot of noise there the next few years. Remember his mom was an even better athlete than his dad, comparably.

All that said, we are unlikely to see dominant 5A/6A ball in Waco consistently. That's in part b/c McLennan County education is so fragmented - 17 school districts in one county that's not that big.

I think we have arguably become the best area for small school ball in the state. State championships from China Spring (beat Stephenville last week in a barn burner), Lorena, La Vega, Mart (again and again and again), Crawford threatening every year w/ a chance this year (won 1 in the modern era), Chilton with some championships and then the curse of being lumped in with Mart, West right there on the verge, Marlin in semis last year...

If you stretch a little further down into the Brazos valley and start counting Bremond, Cameron (both historically in Centex districts), or even Franklin (now in a Centex district), the numbers get stupid.

Either way, if you enjoy 2A - 4A ball (I do), Central Texas is a hotbed with great games every week.

Isn't the answer just recruiting?

cowboycwr said:

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MrGolfguy said:

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Aliceinbubbleland said:

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I was looking at scores yesterday and couldn't help but notice Waco High has been atrocious for a very long time.

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Not true, not the "very long time" part. After Tusa left in 08 he was replaced by Danny Ramsey for 3 years then Marty Herbst for 6 years. Of those 9 seasons Waco made the playoffs 6 times (not "atrocious") and had a 9 win year, an 8 win year, a 7 win year and two 6 win years (not great but certainly not "atrocious"). That takes us up to 2018 when former Waco Lion player Kwame Cavil was hired - his time at the helm can only be described as 'Kevin Steelesque'; that's when the program hit rock bottom. Cavil's record in 3 years was 3-24.

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That Cavil hire never made sense. But it was the middle f this phase the district seemed to have that was all about hiring alum for top jobs like that was going to fix everything both athletically and academically.

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They could've hired Briles at that point. Tusa refused. That would've pulled them back from the brink. Kids would transfer in to play for him. As it is, you've got some of the best athletes in Waco ISD getting themselves out to Midway, La Vega or elsewhere. That would've been unthinkable back in the day.

No way a second HS gets built in Midway ISD. Not unless you want two smallish 4A schools.

The Yoe state final team from 10 years ago or so was one of the most fun centex teams I've seen play, ever. So many weapons. DeDe Westbrook is the most dynamic high school football player I've seen play in person in a long time.

Well.....Midway is no where remotely close to a power house now anyway. The dreams of becoming another Allen HS in football are gone. It is going to depend on population growth which is expected. I would say it is much easier now to build a new HS.

Your response is sort of what I was seeking when I lamented about results of HS football in Waco.

I wonder how you can accurately judge talent in a 1 or 2 or 3A school vs a kid on a 5 or 6A?

I see all these great athletes in the NFL and just wonder what their college recruiters saw in the kids future.