Thought this was fascinating through our requests: the Texas Tech men’s basketball team nearly reported as much money as the football team … despite almost 400 less NIL deals. pic.twitter.com/LfraTPPPdM

— Joseph Hoyt (@JoeJHoyt) July 19, 2023

Not all money is going towards pizzas

Sadly, this is why I worry about our long-term competitiveness in football. I think as long as we have Scott Drew, we will be able to garner NIL support for basketball, but it's easier to pay eight or nine guys in basketball as opposed to like 72 guys in football. College sports are going to look so different 10 years from now if NIL goes unchecked that many fans will lose interest (I would argue that's already happened for some)

Unfortunately, a lot of tektards are in the oil bu$ine$$.

Is there a reason Baylor does not release the numbers? Everyone else does. To hide it and say it is private is like saying we need to make sure no photos are taken of our facilities. Potential recruits and the other public arent allowed to see them. I am concerned as to the reason we really dont brag about our NIL.

So you're telling me Tech paid THAT MUCH for a basketball team that:

- finished tied for last in the conference
- lost first round game in Big 12 tournament
- didn't make a post season tournament
- fired its coaching staff

Great ROI on that investment!!!!!!!!!!

It it takes paying that kind of money to "compete", I'm out and don't care. Would be happy to support a D3 school.

It is ludicrous that many "student" athletes that get this type of money will never graduate, and will end up REALLY delivering pizzas after their playing eligibility ends, while some dedicated students that would go to school to further their education that can make the world a better place through their educations can't afford to go to a school that can maximize their potential......all because some rich couch potatoes can brag about their school to other rich coach potatoes because of what happens on an athletic field, not what happens in a classroom that distinguishes the university. And those student athletes that are dedicated students who want an education that just happen to be good at a sport they like to play will get looked on and thrown into the same bottle as the ones entering a university who finished at the bottom of their high school class but could play a sport at a higher level than most.

I have to believe this is headed to something and not too far down the road that completely destroys the whole model of collegiate athletics that made it fun to watch. This has gone way far and beyond NIL. It is nothing more than pay for play. Heck, just pay them and tell them they don't even have to go to class.

blackie said:

---

This has gone way far and beyond NIL. It is nothing more than pay for play. Heck, just pay them and tell them they don't even have to go to class.

---

The NFL should draft kids out of high school and put them in minor league teams. The kids who don't get those offers go to college via scholarships but nothing more i.e. no NIL and so forth. Kind of like how baseball works, but without the silly scholarship caps that college baseball has.

That way the 'best' players go pro right out of high school and get paid. Most of those guys weren't going to college to study anyways. There are of course, exceptions to that.

Will that ever happen? Nope. The NFL has a free minor league system in place - CFB. But I do like to dream

BellCountyBear said:

---

Unfortunately, a lot of tektards are in the oil bu$ine$$.

---

Wait till oil is over $150 bbl in Biden's 2nd term

Baylor has some Oil tycoons but not as many as tech and tcu as I've heard

Still can't believe no uproar about how little the women are being paid relative to the men. Absurd the hypocrisy

NIL is not a government mandated benefit like Title IX. It's voluntary. NIL $ flows where the interest is. I hope there's no uproar about people and organizations having the freedom to spend their NIL $ the way they choose. Womens sports all lose $ and with some exceptions, just don't have the popularity to really justify paying players very much. We all know that.

Timbear said:

---

NIL is not a government mandated benefit like Title IX. It's voluntary. NIL $ flows where the interest is. I hope there's no uproar about people and organizations having the freedom to spend their NIL $ the way they choose. Womens sports all lose $ and with some exceptions, just don't have the popularity to really justify paying players very much. We all know that.

---

While true has never stopped disinformation around "wage gaps" and other knuckle-dragger disinformation.

PartyBear said:

---

Is there a reason Baylor does not release the numbers? Everyone else does. To hide it and say it is private is like saying we need to make sure no photos are taken of our facilities. Potential recruits and the other public arent allowed to see them. I am concerned as to the reason we really dont brag about our NIL.

---

We're at the bottom.

This is total B.S. I don't know where those numbers came from but that is totally and completely a lie and I know.

There is a reason why TT basketball NIL program has been disbanded and is now run by the Matador Club which is the TT football NIL program.

Someday I hope a book will be published that will lift the lid on what happened to NIL at TT last year for basketball. Players not being paid, donors partying with players, donors actively seeking to interfere with coaching, wanting to travel with the team, involved in recruiting and playing time and so much more.

NIL is now a requirement, but TT is an example of what will happen if NIL donors buy access to players and the program. TT has made the right moves to clean up what happened by these donors last year.

One last comment, a donor who gives $200M to the basketball program, has his own parking space, his name on the building is really running the program. The AD's job is to secure financial support for the program. A coach better have a good relationship with that donor, but at TT, that donor loved Chris Beard. When Beard was let go at UT he tried everything he could to bring Beard back to TT including getting Adams fired and going to the TT Board of Directors to see if they would take Beard back. Remember the delay in Ole Miss and Beard announcing his acceptance?

Someday, it will make a great tale.

Based on some research, this number is way too high for football as well. The only thing I can think of is that these numbers have been inflated by things other than NIL that were put into the NIL bucket - coaching bonuses, expenses, interest on money paid to borrow to pay NIL...it is all speculation but these numbers do not reflect what was paid to football or basketball athletes and are inflated.

DanaDane said:

---

So you're telling me Tech paid THAT MUCH for a basketball team that:

- finished tied for last in the conference
- lost first round game in Big 12 tournament
- didn't make a post season tournament
- fired its coaching staff

Great ROI on that investment!!!!!!!!!!

---

This was my first thought.

Not surprising given the ties to the oil and gas industry...same for Texas A&M. These recruits are not going to Lubbock and College Station because of the college atmospheres. BU football will need to follow a Kstate model to maintain competitiveness.

DanaDane said:

---

So you're telling me Tech paid THAT MUCH for a basketball team that:

- finished tied for last in the conference
- lost first round game in Big 12 tournament
- didn't make a post season tournament
- fired its coaching staff

Great ROI on that investment!!!!!!!!!!

---

It takes ALOT to recruit kids to Lubbock.

What it does tell you is Baylor better come up with some serious NIL or it won't be able to compete in the long haul. Unfortunately money talks. It's already showing up in our ability to recruit in football. As I recall, we haven't been in top 25 recruiting the last two years.

Mojo Risin' said:

---

Not surprising given the ties to the oil and gas industry...same for Texas A&M. These recruits are not going to Lubbock and College Station because of the college atmospheres. BU football will need to follow a Kstate model to maintain competitiveness.

---

What is the Kstate model?

TexasScientist said:

---

Mojo Risin' said:

---

Not surprising given the ties to the oil and gas industry...same for Texas A&M. These recruits are not going to Lubbock and College Station because of the college atmospheres. BU football will need to follow a Kstate model to maintain competitiveness.

---

What is the Kstate model?

---

Doing more with less. It's not a good model to strive for.

TexasScientist said:

---

What it does tell you is Baylor better come up with some serious NIL or it won't be able to compete in the long haul. Unfortunately money talks. It's already showing up in our ability to recruit in football. As I recall, we haven't been in top 25 recruiting the last two years.

---

Where do these recruiting expectations come from?

Baylor's signed one top 25 recruiting class in the tracking era (according to 247), and that class only had 4 blue chip enrollees. With UT/OU moving on from the Big 12, Houston being elevated to P5, Colorado returning to the Big 12 with Colorado the state not being a meaningful recruiting state, and the potential for SMU to be elevated to the P5 (possibly Rice as well), it seems unlikely that Baylor will ever be a fixture in the top 25 for recruiting moving forward given all of the competition at the P5 level - let alone G5s like UTSA/UTEP/North Texas/etc. snagging decent players every now and then - combined with the lack of access to games/wins over UT/OU/A&M.

TexasScientist said:

---

What it does tell you is Baylor better come up with some serious NIL or it won't be able to compete in the long haul. Unfortunately money talks. It's already showing up in our ability to recruit in football. As I recall, we haven't been in top 25 recruiting the last two years.

---

Recruiting has been pretty steady as of late.

Aberzombie1892 said:

---

TexasScientist said:

---

What it does tell you is Baylor better come up with some serious NIL or it won't be able to compete in the long haul. Unfortunately money talks. It's already showing up in our ability to recruit in football. As I recall, we haven't been in top 25 recruiting the last two years.

---

Where do these recruiting expectations come from?

Baylor's signed one top 25 recruiting class in the tracking era (according to 247), and that class only had 4 blue chip enrollees. With UT/OU moving on from the Big 12, Houston being elevated to P5, Colorado returning to the Big 12 with Colorado the state not being a meaningful recruiting state, and the potential for SMU to be elevated to the P5 (possibly Rice as well), it seems unlikely that Baylor will ever be a fixture in the top 25 for recruiting moving forward given all of the competition at the P5 level - let alone G5s like UTSA/UTEP/North Texas/etc. snagging decent players every now and then - combined with the lack of access to games/wins over UT/OU/A&M.

---

Those expectations come from being a "scientist."

Fre3dombear said:

---

BellCountyBear said:

---

Unfortunately, a lot of tektards are in the oil bu$ine$$.

---

Wait till oil is over $150 bbl in Biden's 2nd term

---

And if oil ever hits that # during a democrats term, those who are in the oil business will still say democrats always ruin it

8 million is peanuts to BU fans who are building athletic facilities at unprecedented rates. My guess is that after universities complete present projects, the donations shift to NIL. Does BU really need to open a brand new football facility as frequently as we have. No. Money shifts at BU and elsewhere to NIL. Sad state of new situation.