It's becoming clear that it's Mack and the admin that specifically don't want the team to have black jerseys. I guess it's not commensurate with the 1960s preppy clean-cut look that we've been trying to push

Get in trouble for having an opinion? Is the pay side running the athletic department?

Can we start a fashion forum for some of this nonsense?

Cool looking jerseys excite the recruits, fans and the team. That excitement creates energy in the stadium. It's not everything, but it definitely has a non zero impact on the energy in the stadium and with the program exposure.

He says he likes the graphite/black unis that "used to be" is what he literally said. I think he was talking about our Briles unis. Then Morris chimes in that Nike is driving the bus on all of that. Which is horse crap.

Baylor is driving the bus starting in 2019. Nike could care less about the 'one brand" that was all Baylor. Baylor seems to be so running away from their big 2019 changes and trying to pin it all on Nike now. Rhoades said somthing similar last month. If it wasnt Baylor why would Aranda joke he might getting in trouble with going public with his dissent?

If we took a survey on Mack's job approval rating...what would the number be?

ochre tops ... w/ a flowing cream tunic-style pant.

- kkm

tibetan numerals.

no helmets - just shaved heads.

and sandal-cleats.

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He says he likes the graphite/black unis that "used to be" is what he literally said. I think he was talking about our Briles unis. Then Morris chimes in that Nike is driving the bus on all of that. Which is horse crap.

Baylor is driving the bus starting in 2019. Nike could care less about the 'one brand" that was all Baylor. Baylor seems to be so running away from their big 2019 changes and trying to pin it all on Nike now. Rhoades said somthing similar last month. If it wasnt Baylor why would Aranda joke he might getting in trouble with going public with his dissent?

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It was likely Baylor's decision to rebrand and change colors. But Nike is responsible for the uniform designs and options.

This is the same company that put a limit on the number of uniform combinations that Major League Baseball teams could wear, eliminating a number of looks these teams had been using extensively before this season.

I never liked the move to yellow and I pretty much hate our current middle school uniforms, but we are more at the mercy of Nike than your post here seems or wants to acknowledge. They've been trending in a minimalist direction with everyone for a long time now. Most of the Big 12 has the same ****ty uniforms we do with minor tweaks here and there.

Not really TCU's colors are purple and white that is it. But Nike provides various unis that are combinations of purple and black and silver/gray. They get outlines trim stripes metallic helmets as do most of the rest of the XII schools. They got a new helmet just last week for the UH game.

In 2019 Baylor was so proud of what they did with colors and unis they bragged they did it and tried to sell at these ugly things are what we had always worn throughout history until recently. Just a complete gas lighting propaganda campaign to go along with the 2019 changes. Our administration was crowing about what they did at the time just like a previous one did about their green bear branding. I think you may believe what Baylor officially says too much.

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Get in trouble for having an opinion? Is the pay side running the athletic department?

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If we took a survey on Mack's job approval rating...what would the number be?

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The 2013 Everyone In Black vs OU is the most unified I have ever seen any size gathering of Baylor people.

It was electric.

100%, anybody here relatively young first knew of Oregon for their unis. It's literally what they first became known for.

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The 2013 Everyone In Black vs OU is the most unified I have ever seen any size gathering of Baylor people.

It was electric.

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Man that was a magical time. All the local shops were selling blackout shirts. That when being Baylor was fun

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Not really TCU's colors are purple and white that is it. But Nike provides various unis that are combinations of purple and black and silver/gray. They get outlines trim stripes metallic helmets as do most of the rest of the XII schools. They got a new helmet just last week for the UH game.

In 2019 Baylor was so proud of what they did with colors and unis they bragged they did it and tried to sell at these ugly things are what we had always worn throughout history until recently. Just a complete gas lighting propaganda campaign to go along with the 2019 changes. Our administration was crowing about what they did at the time just like a previous one did about their green bear branding. I think you may believe what Baylor officially says too much.

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TCU played for the national championship last year. They're going to be a higher priority for Nike than we are.

But even TCU has the same ****ty minimalist designs that everyone else does. They just threw Wakanda spikes on them.

I've yet to hear a good reason why blackouts are a bad thing.

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Not really TCU's colors are purple and white that is it. But Nike provides various unis that are combinations of purple and black and silver/gray. They get outlines trim stripes metallic helmets as do most of the rest of the XII schools. They got a new helmet just last week for the UH game.

In 2019 Baylor was so proud of what they did with colors and unis they bragged they did it and tried to sell at these ugly things are what we had always worn throughout history until recently. Just a complete gas lighting propaganda campaign to go along with the 2019 changes. Our administration was crowing about what they did at the time just like a previous one did about their green bear branding. I think you may believe what Baylor officially says too much.

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TCU played for the national championship last year. They're going to be a higher priority for Nike than we are.

But even TCU has the same ****ty minimalist designs that everyone else does. They just threw Wakanda spikes on them.

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They had them last season coming off a 4 or so win season.

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Not really TCU's colors are purple and white that is it. But Nike provides various unis that are combinations of purple and black and silver/gray. They get outlines trim stripes metallic helmets as do most of the rest of the XII schools. They got a new helmet just last week for the UH game.

In 2019 Baylor was so proud of what they did with colors and unis they bragged they did it and tried to sell at these ugly things are what we had always worn throughout history until recently. Just a complete gas lighting propaganda campaign to go along with the 2019 changes. Our administration was crowing about what they did at the time just like a previous one did about their green bear branding. I think you may believe what Baylor officially says too much.

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TCU played for the national championship last year. They're going to be a higher priority for Nike than we are.

But even TCU has the same ****ty minimalist designs that everyone else does. They just threw Wakanda spikes on them.

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They had them last season coming off a 4 or so win season.

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I'm talking about helmets. Outside of the one, really terrible alternate with red, they have the same basic uniform combinations we all have. They have pants, jerseys and helmets in white, purple and black, just like we have white, green and yellow.

….and winning

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I've yet to hear a good reason why blackouts are a bad thing.

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The Baylor Family now kicks it old school Baptist, bruh. Black is the color of sin, evil, and death.

Holy Law #1845

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The 2013 Everyone In Black vs OU is the most unified I have ever seen any size gathering of Baylor people.

It was electric.

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Man that was a magical time. All the local shops were selling blackout shirts. That when being Baylor was fun

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The odds were against Baylor ever being as good as we were in 2013-2015 and the odds are we'll never be that good again. At least we have the memories.

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If we took a survey on Mack's job approval rating...what would the number be?

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The 2013 Everyone In Black vs OU is the most unified I have ever seen any size gathering of Baylor people.

It was electric.

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Man that was a magical time. All the local shops were selling blackout shirts. That when being Baylor was fun

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The odds were against Baylor ever being as good as we were in 2013-2015 and the odds are we'll never be that good again. At least we have the memories.

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The 2021 team was better than all of those teams by most objective measures. Unlike those, it won both a conference title game and a New Year's bowl game. It's also the only team we've ever had finish in the top five in the final AP poll.

The Briles era was fun until things imploded on themselves. But acting like we can never be good again when both the 2019 and 2021 seasons exist seems a little silly.

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The 2013 Everyone In Black vs OU is the most unified I have ever seen any size gathering of Baylor people.

It was electric.

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That was the real deal!!

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The 2013 Everyone In Black vs OU is the most unified I have ever seen any size gathering of Baylor people.

It was electric.

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Man that was a magical time. All the local shops were selling blackout shirts. That when being Baylor was fun

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The odds were against Baylor ever being as good as we were in 2013-2015 and the odds are we'll never be that good again. At least we have the memories.

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The 2021 team was better than all of those teams by most objective measures. Unlike those, it won both a conference title game and a New Year's bowl game. It's also the only team we've ever had finish in the top five in the final AP poll.

The Briles era was fun until things imploded on themselves. But acting like we can never be good again when both the 2019 and 2021 seasons exist seems a little silly.

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Its because of the bad timing. No one is saying we'll never be good again. What we fear is a lost decade and when the next big realignment happens, we'll be left out: a doormat (or mediocre at best) with abysmal TV ratings.

This will get us relegated and sent into the college football abyss of irrelevance - never to return in our lifetimes.

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The 2013 Everyone In Black vs OU is the most unified I have ever seen any size gathering of Baylor people.

It was electric.

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Man that was a magical time. All the local shops were selling blackout shirts. That when being Baylor was fun

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The odds were against Baylor ever being as good as we were in 2013-2015 and the odds are we'll never be that good again. At least we have the memories.

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The 2021 team was better than all of those teams by most objective measures. Unlike those, it won both a conference title game and a New Year's bowl game. It's also the only team we've ever had finish in the top five in the final AP poll.

The Briles era was fun until things imploded on themselves. But acting like we can never be good again when both the 2019 and 2021 seasons exist seems a little silly.

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Its because of the bad timing. No one is saying we'll never be good again. What we fear is a lost decade and when the next big realignment happens, we'll be left out: a doormat (or mediocre at best) with abysmal TV ratings.

This will get us relegated and sent into the college football abyss of irrelevance - never to return in our lifetimes.

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We've already been relegated. There is no "next big realignment" coming. The only ones getting a call at this point are Florida State, Clemson and whatever ACC programs tag along with them or are taken in response by the other Power 2 conference.

Stop worrying about a club we'll never be invited to join ... and frankly don't belong in to begin with. We're not a blueblood and never will be. I don't want Baylor to suck because I don't enjoy watching Baylor suck. I'm not worried about some existential crisis. The Big 12 is where we belong, and it will be a hell of a lot of fun if we can get our **** together.

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The 2013 Everyone In Black vs OU is the most unified I have ever seen any size gathering of Baylor people.

It was electric.

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Man that was a magical time. All the local shops were selling blackout shirts. That when being Baylor was fun

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i still have my glow-in-the-dark AC/DC style shirt.

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Russell Gym said:

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The 2013 Everyone In Black vs OU is the most unified I have ever seen any size gathering of Baylor people.

It was electric.

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Man that was a magical time. All the local shops were selling blackout shirts. That when being Baylor was fun

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The odds were against Baylor ever being as good as we were in 2013-2015 and the odds are we'll never be that good again. At least we have the memories.

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The 2021 team was better than all of those teams by most objective measures. Unlike those, it won both a conference title game and a New Year's bowl game. It's also the only team we've ever had finish in the top five in the final AP poll.

The Briles era was fun until things imploded on themselves. But acting like we can never be good again when both the 2019 and 2021 seasons exist seems a little silly.

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I can't argue with numbers but I think the 2015 team was the best of all had a historic injury bug not hit.. most important of which was the qb. Team was completely snakebit. Very nearly went 11-1 even with the injuries (Tex and TCU should have been clear wins).

With a healthy starting qb that team contends in the playoffs. Not odds on favorite to win but legit shot to pull it off.

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Russell Gym said:

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The 2013 Everyone In Black vs OU is the most unified I have ever seen any size gathering of Baylor people.

It was electric.

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Man that was a magical time. All the local shops were selling blackout shirts. That when being Baylor was fun

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The odds were against Baylor ever being as good as we were in 2013-2015 and the odds are we'll never be that good again. At least we have the memories.

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The 2021 team was better than all of those teams by most objective measures. Unlike those, it won both a conference title game and a New Year's bowl game. It's also the only team we've ever had finish in the top five in the final AP poll.

The Briles era was fun until things imploded on themselves. But acting like we can never be good again when both the 2019 and 2021 seasons exist seems a little silly.

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I can't argue with numbers but I think the 2015 team was the best of all had a historic injury bug not hit.. most important of which was the qb. Team was completely snakebit. Very nearly went 11-1 even with the injuries (Tex and TCU should have been clear wins).

With a healthy starting qb that team contends in the playoffs. Not odds on favorite to win but legit shot to pull it off.

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The 2015 team was good, but it hadn't played any of the best teams on its schedule before Seth went down. The combined record of the six FBS teams we beat before Russell's injury was 25-49. Those are the types of teams that Art Briles teams always buried, so that 7-0 start didn't tell us a whole lot about how it would have finished the season even if it had stayed healthy.

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Russell Gym said:

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The 2013 Everyone In Black vs OU is the most unified I have ever seen any size gathering of Baylor people.

It was electric.

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Man that was a magical time. All the local shops were selling blackout shirts. That when being Baylor was fun

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The odds were against Baylor ever being as good as we were in 2013-2015 and the odds are we'll never be that good again. At least we have the memories.

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The 2021 team was better than all of those teams by most objective measures. Unlike those, it won both a conference title game and a New Year's bowl game. It's also the only team we've ever had finish in the top five in the final AP poll.

The Briles era was fun until things imploded on themselves. But acting like we can never be good again when both the 2019 and 2021 seasons exist seems a little silly.

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I can't argue with numbers but I think the 2015 team was the best of all had a historic injury bug not hit.. most important of which was the qb. Team was completely snakebit. Very nearly went 11-1 even with the injuries (Tex and TCU should have been clear wins).

With a healthy starting qb that team contends in the playoffs. Not odds on favorite to win but legit shot to pull it off.

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The 2015 team was good, but it hadn't played any of the best teams on its schedule before Seth went down. The combined record of the six FBS teams we beat before Russell's injury was 25-49. Those are the types of teams that Art Briles teams always buried, so that 7-0 start didn't tell us a whole lot about how it would have finished the season even if it had stayed healthy.

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The difference I see was the O-line was better than any of the other years and they lost 2 razor close games they should have won without any of their 2 deep at qb (tcu and Texas). Leaves the OU game which I feel okay projecting a win with our starter. Not a fact but projection.. which is what we do here.

I agree actual results that really happened 2021 certified they had a better year and were a better team. Just had to mention the 15' team

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ImwithBU said:

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Russell Gym said:

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The 2013 Everyone In Black vs OU is the most unified I have ever seen any size gathering of Baylor people.

It was electric.

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Man that was a magical time. All the local shops were selling blackout shirts. That when being Baylor was fun

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The odds were against Baylor ever being as good as we were in 2013-2015 and the odds are we'll never be that good again. At least we have the memories.

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The 2021 team was better than all of those teams by most objective measures. Unlike those, it won both a conference title game and a New Year's bowl game. It's also the only team we've ever had finish in the top five in the final AP poll.

The Briles era was fun until things imploded on themselves. But acting like we can never be good again when both the 2019 and 2021 seasons exist seems a little silly.

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I can't argue with numbers but I think the 2015 team was the best of all had a historic injury bug not hit.. most important of which was the qb. Team was completely snakebit. Very nearly went 11-1 even with the injuries (Tex and TCU should have been clear wins).

With a healthy starting qb that team contends in the playoffs. Not odds on favorite to win but legit shot to pull it off.

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The 2015 team was good, but it hadn't played any of the best teams on its schedule before Seth went down. The combined record of the six FBS teams we beat before Russell's injury was 25-49. Those are the types of teams that Art Briles teams always buried, so that 7-0 start didn't tell us a whole lot about how it would have finished the season even if it had stayed healthy.

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The difference I see was the O-line was better than any of the other years and they lost 2 razor close games they should have won without any of their 2 deep at qb (tcu and Texas). Leaves the OU game which I feel okay projecting a win with our starter. Not a fact but projection.. which is what we do here.

I agree actual results that really happened 2021 certified they had a better year and were a better team. Just had to mention the 15' team

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I think the 2015 team was the most talented of the Art Briles era, but I'm also a firm believer that injuries are part of football for every team that plays it. So all teams are only as strong as the depth they have when injuries inevitably hit.

I'm also not as sold on Seth Russell as a championship quarterback as many here are. I loved Seth Russell, but he was not an accurate passer. Even in the Art Briles era, where our guys were throwing to mostly wide-open receivers, he completed less than 57 percent of his passes for his career. He was a great athlete and his running ability certainly opened up aspects of our offense that his direct predecessors/successors did not, but I think we'd have run into some teams eventually that would have forced him to make throws that he wasn't terribly reliable making.

It's all conjecture, and it's unfortunate that we never got to find out exactly how good that 2015 team was. But it is what it is.

2013-2015 was 3 consecutive seasons, displaying a repeatable formula of success. Nothing about Aranda's recruiting prowess suggests he'll be able to repeat the 2021 season.

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2013-2015 was 3 consecutive seasons, displaying a repeatable formula of success. Nothing about Aranda's recruiting prowess suggests he'll be able to repeat the 2021 season.

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Simply put we were just reloading during those years. Now we seems to be on a 4 year rebuild program with 1 good season followed by 3 marginal at best seasons