BellCountyBear said:

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Does Linda or the BOR even recognize the malaise that has engulfed the entire athletic department? Do they care?

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Certainly on both counts. It may not be a question of knowing how or seeing a way to correct that. It is simple (and accurate) to say "win" or even "be competitive" but that has a ton of components, the most critical one is also the most fluid and unpredictable: money. Lots of it in consistent revenue streams. Evidently this is the huge issue.

BellCountyBear said:

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Does Linda or the BOR even recognize the malaise that has engulfed the entire athletic department? Do they care?

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No. To the majority of BU leadership and many academics, athletics is just a necessary evil or frivolity. Myopic at best.

Sports is a sin ! Reveling = "Loud boisterous merrymaking". The only game a Christian University should allow is "Bible Trivia".

drahthaar said:

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BellCountyBear said:

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Does Linda or the BOR even recognize the malaise that has engulfed the entire athletic department? Do they care?

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Certainly on both counts. It may not be a question of knowing how or seeing a way to correct that. It is simple (and accurate) to say "win" or even "be competitive" but that has a ton of components, the most critical one is also the most fluid and unpredictable: money. Lots of it in consistent revenue streams. Evidently this is the huge issue.

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yeah I think the money to compete is a central issue, and i suspect that Drayton's stated position in that Smoaky interview a few weeks ago is probably emblematic of many Baylor BMDs: namely, they want to see more regulation of the transfer/NIL market before they start giving at higher levels.

Can't blame them if that's true - I think it's just wise, actually...luckily for us all, the disloyal QBs from UW and Duke may help right the ship with their contractual blunders this transfer season.

Bearknuckle said:

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drahthaar said:

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BellCountyBear said:

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Does Linda or the BOR even recognize the malaise that has engulfed the entire athletic department? Do they care?

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Certainly on both counts. It may not be a question of knowing how or seeing a way to correct that. It is simple (and accurate) to say "win" or even "be competitive" but that has a ton of components, the most critical one is also the most fluid and unpredictable: money. Lots of it in consistent revenue streams. Evidently this is the huge issue.

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yeah I think the money to compete is a central issue, and i suspect that Drayton's stated position in that Smoaky interview a few weeks ago is probably emblematic of many Baylor BMDs: namely, they want to see more regulation of the transfer/NIL market before they start giving at higher levels.

Can't blame them if that's true - I think it's just wise, actually...luckily for us all, the disloyal QBs from UW and Duke may help right the ship with their contractual blunders this transfer season.

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The current chaos creates risk but also creates opportunities for non-blue bloods like Indiana, Tech, Baylor. Some are going to take advantage of it. Some aren't. At this point, looks like we are in the second boat. If we had a staff/program people were excited about, it might be different - would be much easier to get BMDs up and moving. But we are in a tough spot right now. Dave can't inspire the kind of cash infusion we need, but we also can't afford to buy out Dave. So in Dave we trust...

Bearknuckle said:

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drahthaar said:

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BellCountyBear said:

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Does Linda or the BOR even recognize the malaise that has engulfed the entire athletic department? Do they care?

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Certainly on both counts. It may not be a question of knowing how or seeing a way to correct that. It is simple (and accurate) to say "win" or even "be competitive" but that has a ton of components, the most critical one is also the most fluid and unpredictable: money. Lots of it in consistent revenue streams. Evidently this is the huge issue.

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yeah I think the money to compete is a central issue, and i suspect that Drayton's stated position in that Smoaky interview a few weeks ago is probably emblematic of many Baylor BMDs: namely, they want to see more regulation of the transfer/NIL market before they start giving at higher levels.

Can't blame them if that's true - I think it's just wise, actually...luckily for us all, the disloyal QBs from UW and Duke may help right the ship with their contractual blunders this transfer season.

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The world has changed. The BMD's position of contributing or not is the key factor. I don't buy the position that is casually thrown out and attributed here to the administration that they do not care. Some of you do. We can disagree, as my opinion is no better or worse than anyone else's opinion as we are not privy to the conversations that go on in Pat Neff.

Despite what some want to throw out, those people are not dummies. They know the impact monetarily that can happen with a very successful athletic program. They know that athletic money can help fuel whatever direction they want to take the university apart from athletics. They know the unbuyable positive publicity and incredible enrollment attraction that RGIII winning the Heisman brought to Baylor. But they also have to deal with the realities that the purpose of a university is not athletics.

It should never be about athletics to the point of maximizing benefits to a very small percentage of their students who are athletes and in reality a small percentage of the alumni who really care about athletics to the detriment of the vast majority of students who are not athletes and alumni that don't really care all that much about athletics, that are looking to build careers in non-athletic related fields and in programs that benefit society.

The money to take a program to a higher level has got to come from donors beyond those made for academics. To some extent, it has always been that way, but now more so than ever. In this day and age the success of the athletic program is ultimately controlled by how those relationships are established and maintained.

Back on Baylorfans, old-timers will recall I was one of the harshest critics of the BOR. I think they panicked. There was no precedent to go by. We were the first major program to get caught in the position we were in. I believe it could have been handled without blowing up the football program and probably would have had they seen what a FSU, OU or others did when accusations came up against them, but I also believe the football staff was also not tending to their own knitting and as such they are not faultless either. We were in uncharted territory.

I can buy the criticism of not knowing enough as to how to best handle a situation. I think we all find ourselves in that situation from time to time. We certainly know we want the best, but we are not the best in how we go about trying to reach that end. But, I don't buy into the criticism that the administration doesn't care and is happy with mediocrity. There are just far too many reasons for that to make no sense whatsoever.

I do think and certainly hope that the new AD is a step to correct a lot of the problems that developed under ADMR over the last several years and that he will be able to work and think outside the box compared to how ADs functioned in the past to bring inventive ideas and actions, and especially re-engage the BMDs, because those are the people we have got to have to make the real difference in what we put on the fields and arenas now. I seriously doubt the new AD is a clone of Yormark, but I certainly hope there is at least a good percentage of Yormark in him. Business as usual will not get us anywhere.

Robert Wilson said:

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Bearknuckle said:

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drahthaar said:

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BellCountyBear said:

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Does Linda or the BOR even recognize the malaise that has engulfed the entire athletic department? Do they care?

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Certainly on both counts. It may not be a question of knowing how or seeing a way to correct that. It is simple (and accurate) to say "win" or even "be competitive" but that has a ton of components, the most critical one is also the most fluid and unpredictable: money. Lots of it in consistent revenue streams. Evidently this is the huge issue.

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yeah I think the money to compete is a central issue, and i suspect that Drayton's stated position in that Smoaky interview a few weeks ago is probably emblematic of many Baylor BMDs: namely, they want to see more regulation of the transfer/NIL market before they start giving at higher levels.

Can't blame them if that's true - I think it's just wise, actually...luckily for us all, the disloyal QBs from UW and Duke may help right the ship with their contractual blunders this transfer season.

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The current chaos creates risk but also creates opportunities for non-blue bloods like Indiana, Tech, Baylor. Some are going to take advantage of it. Some aren't. At this point, looks like we are in the second boat. If we had a staff/program people were excited about, it might be different - would be much easier to get BMDs up and moving. But we are in a tough spot right now. Dave can't inspire the kind of cash infusion we need, but we also can't afford to buy out Dave. So in Dave we trust...

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Where some universities see opportunities, others see problems.

college sports aren't even entertaining anymore unless you are one of the rich kids. Unfortunately, we are not even in the same universe as Texas Tech when it comes to money. I wouldn't bother watching any game in any sport that we play against Texas Tech, because it's like watching Mike Tyson fight Fred Sanford while Fred Sanford is in the middle of having a heart attack, and I don't feel like contributing to Texas Tech's TV ratings in that situation. What other sport in the world lets people do this? college sports have turned into Jake Paul fighting old men, except it's supposed to be treated like a serious professional event.

As I've said in another post, I know this is not a popular opinion, but Baylor needs to move to a conference like the AAC or C USA where we can actually be competitive. I see no reason to pay players and coaches millions to lose games just for the "prestige" of being in the big 12

canoso said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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Bearknuckle said:

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drahthaar said:

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BellCountyBear said:

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Does Linda or the BOR even recognize the malaise that has engulfed the entire athletic department? Do they care?

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Certainly on both counts. It may not be a question of knowing how or seeing a way to correct that. It is simple (and accurate) to say "win" or even "be competitive" but that has a ton of components, the most critical one is also the most fluid and unpredictable: money. Lots of it in consistent revenue streams. Evidently this is the huge issue.

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yeah I think the money to compete is a central issue, and i suspect that Drayton's stated position in that Smoaky interview a few weeks ago is probably emblematic of many Baylor BMDs: namely, they want to see more regulation of the transfer/NIL market before they start giving at higher levels.

Can't blame them if that's true - I think it's just wise, actually...luckily for us all, the disloyal QBs from UW and Duke may help right the ship with their contractual blunders this transfer season.

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The current chaos creates risk but also creates opportunities for non-blue bloods like Indiana, Tech, Baylor. Some are going to take advantage of it. Some aren't. At this point, looks like we are in the second boat. If we had a staff/program people were excited about, it might be different - would be much easier to get BMDs up and moving. But we are in a tough spot right now. Dave can't inspire the kind of cash infusion we need, but we also can't afford to buy out Dave. So in Dave we trust...

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Where some universities see opportunities, others see problems.

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our BMDs are mostly Southern Baptist families who've been successful for generations. Those typically aren't the kind of people who gamble*, and without regulations NIL is just another very expensive form of gambling.


*yes, some wild exceptions exist lol

Youre a clown said:

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college sports aren't even entertaining anymore unless you are one of the rich kids. Unfortunately, we are not even in the same universe as Texas Tech when it comes to money. I wouldn't bother watching any game in any sport that we play against Texas Tech, because it's like watching Mike Tyson fight Fred Sanford while Fred Sanford is in the middle of having a heart attack, and I don't feel like contributing to Texas Tech's TV ratings in that situation. What other sport in the world lets people do this? college sports have turned into Jake Paul fighting old men, except it's supposed to be treated like a serious professional event.

As I've said in another post, I know this is not a popular opinion, but Baylor needs to move to a conference like the AAC or C USA where we can actually be competitive. I see no reason to pay players and coaches millions to lose games just for the "prestige" of being in the big 12

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I have to wonder how much alcohol sales would help with the "money problem"?

I also wonder how much applications have gone down since Baylor football has become a dud?

BellCountyBear said:

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Does Linda or the BOR even recognize the malaise that has engulfed the entire athletic department? Do they care?

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No because in her pea brain a Tier1 status brings quadrillions of dollars.

She's in no reality whatsoever. It's unicorn farts that get her going.

Why does everyone expect and act like BU is Alabama? See the program's history below (9 conference championships in 120 yrs - only three since 1974)...you are what your record says you are. Let's align expectations with reality...BU has a mediocre football program with spotlights of achievement. Nobody who is not related to someone who attended Baylor (or lived in Waco) cares about BU football. Just enjoy watching your "school" compete and provide support...its a game, nothing more.

Baylor Bears School History
Seasons: 120 (1903 to 2025)
Record (W-L-T): 631-605-41
Adjusted Record (W-L-T): 631-605-40
Conferences: Big 12, SWC, Ind
Conf. Championships: 9
Bowl Record: 28 Bowls, 14-14, .500 W-L% (Major Bowls)
Ranked in AP Poll: 8 Times (Preseason), 16 Times (Final), 226 Weeks (Total)
Ranked in CFP Rankings: 4 Times (Final), 26 Weeks (Total)

Bearknuckle said:

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drahthaar said:

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BellCountyBear said:

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Does Linda or the BOR even recognize the malaise that has engulfed the entire athletic department? Do they care?

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Certainly on both counts. It may not be a question of knowing how or seeing a way to correct that. It is simple (and accurate) to say "win" or even "be competitive" but that has a ton of components, the most critical one is also the most fluid and unpredictable: money. Lots of it in consistent revenue streams. Evidently this is the huge issue.

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yeah I think the money to compete is a central issue, and i suspect that Drayton's stated position in that Smoaky interview a few weeks ago is probably emblematic of many Baylor BMDs: namely, they want to see more regulation of the transfer/NIL market before they start giving at higher levels.

Can't blame them if that's true - I think it's just wise, actually...luckily for us all, the disloyal QBs from UW and Duke may help right the ship with their contractual blunders this transfer season.

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I agree with the BMDs. I don't think the current system is sustainable. I'd like to see some guardrails in place, too. Limit the times a person can transfer. Salary cap the sport.

I'm all for players getting paid. But 5 schools in 5 years? That's not fair to the kid as he (she) progresses towards a diploma.

In the new world of NIL and the Transfer Portal...$$$ talks. If the collective "we" want Baylor football to get better...we need some fat-cat donors...because the people on this forum (and the general alumni itself) are probably not going to materially 'move the financial needle'. Alumni can barely fill the stadium on a good day...and you think they are donating money to the program < uncontrolled laughter >.

Wicked_Wombat said:

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Why does everyone expect and act like BU is Alabama? See the program's history below (9 conference championships in 120 yrs - only three since 1974)...you are what your record says you are. Let's align expectations with reality...BU has a mediocre football program with spotlights of achievement. Nobody who is not related to someone who attended Baylor (or lived in Waco) cares about BU football. Just enjoy watching your "school" compete and provide support...its a game, nothing more.

Baylor Bears School History
Seasons: 120 (1903 to 2025)
Record (W-L-T): 631-605-41
Adjusted Record (W-L-T): 631-605-40
Conferences: Big 12, SWC, Ind
Conf. Championships: 9
Bowl Record: 28 Bowls, 14-14, .500 W-L% (Major Bowls)
Ranked in AP Poll: 8 Times (Preseason), 16 Times (Final), 226 Weeks (Total)
Ranked in CFP Rankings: 4 Times (Final), 26 Weeks (Total)

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You are welcome to return to australia. Running a hard race to beat the UK as the least-free "democracy".

Danielsjackson114 said:

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Indiana pretty much cancels out your entire post.

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Wombat is short bus material.

Pretty much or just a troll

Youre a clown said:

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college sports aren't even entertaining anymore unless you are one of the rich kids. Unfortunately, we are not even in the same universe as Texas Tech when it comes to money. I wouldn't bother watching any game in any sport that we play against Texas Tech, because it's like watching Mike Tyson fight Fred Sanford while Fred Sanford is in the middle of having a heart attack, and I don't feel like contributing to Texas Tech's TV ratings in that situation. What other sport in the world lets people do this? college sports have turned into Jake Paul fighting old men, except it's supposed to be treated like a serious professional event.

As I've said in another post, I know this is not a popular opinion, but Baylor needs to move to a conference like the AAC or C USA where we can actually be competitive. I see no reason to pay players and coaches millions to lose games just for the "prestige" of being in the big 12

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Then most of the current Big XII should go with us. We have an outlier in our conference right now with one (BYU) possibly trying to jump in. The rest of us poor trash are pretty much playing in the same sand box already.

Hah...I'm from the Northeast (USA)...but its enlightening to see how one simple forum post (with a non-American tag) can spotlight/set-off a conservative Christian MAGA bias. ;-)

1. fire Linda

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Danielsjackson114 said:

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Because this **** sucks… how far we have fallen.. mediocrity has tainted our athletics. We should not stand for this bs.

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We should have stood tall against our spineless leadership back in 2015 / 2016. We did not. We failed miserably. Of course I think we were all shocked that our own leadership would burn our Top 10 football team at the stake to take the focus off of themselves. And here we are.

Mulkey's public defense of Briles led to her undoing at Baylor. Don't let anyone tell you different.

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Total agreement as well. And I don't know when I've seen a more perspicacious observation than your second paragraph. She very publicly (yet correctly) cast doubt on the official story.

Word of the day: perspicacious.

Realitybites said:

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Word of the day: perspicacious.

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Thanks. It was a dirty job, but I thought somebody needed to do it. : )