Can/should a politician separate his personal beliefs from political beliefs?

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Southtxbear
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Curious what a politician should do. Obviously Roe v Wade brought this back up, but I often wondered what a politician should do. If you are a devout Catholic/Christian, and you personally are against abortion (or whatever is the subject), do you vote your faith and beliefs? Or should you separate that for what you think is best for the country? If you believe abortion is a sin, how would God look upon you if you voted to allow it if you thought it should be legal since everyone is not a Christian? I assume this drives down even to a voter....do you vote what you think is right for the country or your faith? Can or should the 2 be separated?

Just a ramble, but curious your thoughts....
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Ghostrider said:

Curious what a politician should do. Obviously Roe v Wade brought this back up, but I often wondered what a politician should do. If you are a devout Catholic/Christian, and you personally are against abortion (or whatever is the subject), do you vote your faith and beliefs? Or should you separate that for what you think is best for the country? If you believe abortion is a sin, how would God look upon you if you voted to allow it if you thought it should be legal since everyone is not a Christian? I assume this drives down even to a voter....do you vote what you think is right for the country or your faith? Can or should the 2 be separated?

Just a ramble, but curious your thoughts....
does life have value?
What gives it value?
Does that same determination apply to the toddler, the elderly, the mentally/physically challenged?


These aren't Mormon questions, nor Protestant questions, nor Islamic questions?
Canon
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Ghostrider said:

Curious what a politician should do. Obviously Roe v Wade brought this back up, but I often wondered what a politician should do. If you are a devout Catholic/Christian, and you personally are against abortion (or whatever is the subject), do you vote your faith and beliefs? Or should you separate that for what you think is best for the country? If you believe abortion is a sin, how would God look upon you if you voted to allow it if you thought it should be legal since everyone is not a Christian? I assume this drives down even to a voter....do you vote what you think is right for the country or your faith? Can or should the 2 be separated?

Just a ramble, but curious your thoughts....

I don't believe you should apply all of your personal views to your legislative efforts. For instance, I think it's a very poor idea and self-destructive to do the following things:

1. Drugs
2. Excessive Drinking
3. Smoking
4. Homosexual Lifestyle
5. Pretending to be the opposite sex for that which you were born
6. Cheat on your spouse

I would not, however, outlaw any of those practices as practiced by an adult human.

With regard to abortion, I think we enter a different territory because we have two persons to whom we owe consideration. To ignore the second life for the convenience of the first would be no better than slavery.
Harrison Bergeron
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Canon said:

Ghostrider said:

Curious what a politician should do. Obviously Roe v Wade brought this back up, but I often wondered what a politician should do. If you are a devout Catholic/Christian, and you personally are against abortion (or whatever is the subject), do you vote your faith and beliefs? Or should you separate that for what you think is best for the country? If you believe abortion is a sin, how would God look upon you if you voted to allow it if you thought it should be legal since everyone is not a Christian? I assume this drives down even to a voter....do you vote what you think is right for the country or your faith? Can or should the 2 be separated?

Just a ramble, but curious your thoughts....

I don't believe you should apply all of your personal views to your legislative efforts. For instance, I think it's a very poor idea and self-destructive to do the following things:

1. Drugs
2. Excessive Drinking
3. Smoking
4. Homosexual Lifestyle
5. Pretending to be the opposite sex for that which you were born
6. Cheat on your spouse

I would not, however, outlaw any of those practices as practiced by an adult human.

With regard to abortion, I think we enter a different territory because we have two persons to whom we owe consideration. To ignore the second life for the convenience of the first would be no better than slavery.
I think this is spot on. The question of abortion is a not a religious question but a human rights question. Being pro-life is not a uniquely Christian or religious question.
Jack Bauer
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Everyone's values come from somewhere. Its not illegal if yours come from God instead of Tik Tok.
FLBear5630
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Ghostrider said:

Curious what a politician should do. Obviously Roe v Wade brought this back up, but I often wondered what a politician should do. If you are a devout Catholic/Christian, and you personally are against abortion (or whatever is the subject), do you vote your faith and beliefs? Or should you separate that for what you think is best for the country? If you believe abortion is a sin, how would God look upon you if you voted to allow it if you thought it should be legal since everyone is not a Christian? I assume this drives down even to a voter....do you vote what you think is right for the country or your faith? Can or should the 2 be separated?

Just a ramble, but curious your thoughts....


Yes, personal and political should be separated..
Elected officials represent a set of people and their actions should be in line with making those peoples opportunities better.
contrario
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RMF5630 said:

Ghostrider said:

Curious what a politician should do. Obviously Roe v Wade brought this back up, but I often wondered what a politician should do. If you are a devout Catholic/Christian, and you personally are against abortion (or whatever is the subject), do you vote your faith and beliefs? Or should you separate that for what you think is best for the country? If you believe abortion is a sin, how would God look upon you if you voted to allow it if you thought it should be legal since everyone is not a Christian? I assume this drives down even to a voter....do you vote what you think is right for the country or your faith? Can or should the 2 be separated?

Just a ramble, but curious your thoughts....


Yes, personal and political should be separated..
Elected officials represent a set of people and their actions should be in line with making those peoples opportunities better.
Certainly politicians do more than that. As a non-believer myself, I still think politicians have a greater calling than just that.
FLBear5630
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contrario said:

RMF5630 said:

Ghostrider said:

Curious what a politician should do. Obviously Roe v Wade brought this back up, but I often wondered what a politician should do. If you are a devout Catholic/Christian, and you personally are against abortion (or whatever is the subject), do you vote your faith and beliefs? Or should you separate that for what you think is best for the country? If you believe abortion is a sin, how would God look upon you if you voted to allow it if you thought it should be legal since everyone is not a Christian? I assume this drives down even to a voter....do you vote what you think is right for the country or your faith? Can or should the 2 be separated?

Just a ramble, but curious your thoughts....


Yes, personal and political should be separated..
Elected officials represent a set of people and their actions should be in line with making those peoples opportunities better.
Certainly politicians do more than that. As a non-believer myself, I still think politicians have a greater calling than just that.


Really? Besides representing the areas they serve?
Unlike Judges, they are not lifetime appointments and they can move from office to office. I believe representing is a wide swath of life from social equity to infrastructure to benefits to lobbying for Federal projects. Curious on view.
whiterock
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RMF5630 said:

contrario said:

RMF5630 said:

Ghostrider said:

Curious what a politician should do. Obviously Roe v Wade brought this back up, but I often wondered what a politician should do. If you are a devout Catholic/Christian, and you personally are against abortion (or whatever is the subject), do you vote your faith and beliefs? Or should you separate that for what you think is best for the country? If you believe abortion is a sin, how would God look upon you if you voted to allow it if you thought it should be legal since everyone is not a Christian? I assume this drives down even to a voter....do you vote what you think is right for the country or your faith? Can or should the 2 be separated?

Just a ramble, but curious your thoughts....


Yes, personal and political should be separated..
Elected officials represent a set of people and their actions should be in line with making those peoples opportunities better.
Certainly politicians do more than that. As a non-believer myself, I still think politicians have a greater calling than just that.


Really? Besides representing the areas they serve?
Unlike Judges, they are not lifetime appointments and they can move from office to office. I believe representing is a wide swath of life from social equity to infrastructure to benefits to lobbying for Federal projects. Curious on view.
Judges yes. They have an explicit responsibility to interpret law, not make law.

Elected officials, sorta. We elected them for what (we think) they believe, so that they can best represent the majority views of their district. Yes, compromise to make sausage is necessary, but if they find their personal views consistently in significant conflict with the interests of the constituents, they should resign. (or be defeated at the ballot box).

Individuals, absolutely not. Always vote interests and conscience, tempered only by sensibility. Never vote on what one thinks is best for others. That presumes one knows what is best for others, which invariably is not the case.

There is nothing more curious than the vanity behind the notion that one becomes more noble when one takes a political belief that is in tension with, if not opposition to one's personal belief. I see that in liberal friends, one of whom literally works for a pro-life organization yet is pro-choice in voting patterns. These are the people who are quietly pro-LGBT woke right down to drag queen hour at elementary schools, yet are quite sensibly devout at church. It's as if their self esteem rises in direct proportion to how much ground they cede to forces explicitly hostile to their self-claimed values. Compromising with those who have much in common (classical liberalism) isn't good enough. They have to step into a world with people with whom they have little in common (progressivism) in order to be truly tolerant. And they invariably howl in outrage when someone points out the explicitly marxist dialectics of the systemic oppression narratives they have adopted.
contrario
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RMF5630 said:

contrario said:

RMF5630 said:

Ghostrider said:

Curious what a politician should do. Obviously Roe v Wade brought this back up, but I often wondered what a politician should do. If you are a devout Catholic/Christian, and you personally are against abortion (or whatever is the subject), do you vote your faith and beliefs? Or should you separate that for what you think is best for the country? If you believe abortion is a sin, how would God look upon you if you voted to allow it if you thought it should be legal since everyone is not a Christian? I assume this drives down even to a voter....do you vote what you think is right for the country or your faith? Can or should the 2 be separated?

Just a ramble, but curious your thoughts....


Yes, personal and political should be separated..
Elected officials represent a set of people and their actions should be in line with making those peoples opportunities better.
Certainly politicians do more than that. As a non-believer myself, I still think politicians have a greater calling than just that.


Really? Besides representing the areas they serve?
Unlike Judges, they are not lifetime appointments and they can move from office to office. I believe representing is a wide swath of life from social equity to infrastructure to benefits to lobbying for Federal projects. Curious on view.
my point was their job is more than "making those people's opportunities better." Yes, that is a job of a representative, but ideally, they maximize opportunities for their constituents without sacrificing the opportunities of other constituents. That is where the moral compass comes in. I'm not saying it has to be faith driven (actually quite the opposite), but I think politicians should have a moral compass behind all of their decisions because many lives are impacted by every one of their decisions.
FLBear5630
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whiterock said:

RMF5630 said:

contrario said:

RMF5630 said:

Ghostrider said:

Curious what a politician should do. Obviously Roe v Wade brought this back up, but I often wondered what a politician should do. If you are a devout Catholic/Christian, and you personally are against abortion (or whatever is the subject), do you vote your faith and beliefs? Or should you separate that for what you think is best for the country? If you believe abortion is a sin, how would God look upon you if you voted to allow it if you thought it should be legal since everyone is not a Christian? I assume this drives down even to a voter....do you vote what you think is right for the country or your faith? Can or should the 2 be separated?

Just a ramble, but curious your thoughts....


Yes, personal and political should be separated..
Elected officials represent a set of people and their actions should be in line with making those peoples opportunities better.
Certainly politicians do more than that. As a non-believer myself, I still think politicians have a greater calling than just that.


Really? Besides representing the areas they serve?
Unlike Judges, they are not lifetime appointments and they can move from office to office. I believe representing is a wide swath of life from social equity to infrastructure to benefits to lobbying for Federal projects. Curious on view.
Judges yes. They have an explicit responsibility to interpret law, not make law.

Elected officials, sorta. We elected them for what (we think) they believe, so that they can best represent the majority views of their district. Yes, compromise to make sausage is necessary, but if they find their personal views consistently in significant conflict with the interests of the constituents, they should resign. (or be defeated at the ballot box).

Individuals, absolutely not. Always vote interests and conscience, tempered only by sensibility. Never vote on what one thinks is best for others. That presumes one knows what is best for others, which invariably is not the case.

There is nothing more curious than the vanity behind the notion that one becomes more noble when one takes a political belief that is in tension with, if not opposition to one's personal belief. I see that in liberal friends, one of whom literally works for a pro-life organization yet is pro-choice in voting patterns. These are the people who are quietly pro-LGBT woke right down to drag queen hour at elementary schools, yet are quite sensibly devout at church. It's as if their self esteem rises in direct proportion to how much ground they cede to forces explicitly hostile to their self-claimed values. Compromising with those who have much in common (classical liberalism) isn't good enough. They have to step into a world with people with whom they have little in common (progressivism) in order to be truly tolerant. And they invariably howl in outrage when someone points out the explicitly marxist dialectics of the systemic oppression narratives they have adopted.
We are on the same page. I like your break down.

Judge - Interpret Law
Elected Officials - Represent their constituents
Individuals - Conscience

Nice and Simple, I like it. Thanks.
FLBear5630
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contrario said:

RMF5630 said:

contrario said:

RMF5630 said:

Ghostrider said:

Curious what a politician should do. Obviously Roe v Wade brought this back up, but I often wondered what a politician should do. If you are a devout Catholic/Christian, and you personally are against abortion (or whatever is the subject), do you vote your faith and beliefs? Or should you separate that for what you think is best for the country? If you believe abortion is a sin, how would God look upon you if you voted to allow it if you thought it should be legal since everyone is not a Christian? I assume this drives down even to a voter....do you vote what you think is right for the country or your faith? Can or should the 2 be separated?

Just a ramble, but curious your thoughts....


Yes, personal and political should be separated..
Elected officials represent a set of people and their actions should be in line with making those peoples opportunities better.
Certainly politicians do more than that. As a non-believer myself, I still think politicians have a greater calling than just that.


Really? Besides representing the areas they serve?
Unlike Judges, they are not lifetime appointments and they can move from office to office. I believe representing is a wide swath of life from social equity to infrastructure to benefits to lobbying for Federal projects. Curious on view.
my point was their job is more than "making those people's opportunities better." Yes, that is a job of a representative, but ideally, they maximize opportunities for their constituents without sacrificing the opportunities of other constituents. That is where the moral compass comes in. I'm not saying it has to be faith driven (actually quite the opposite), but I think politicians should have a moral compass behind all of their decisions because many lives are impacted by every one of their decisions.
No issues. There are some that believe that if elected by their constituents, they are supposed to do what they believe because they won.
jupiter
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Here is the context of Jesus' command to "render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's": in Matthew 22 Jesus had just returned to Jerusalem for the final time and recently finished sharing several parables with the crowd. Jesus' enemies saw an opportunity to put Jesus on the spot in front of His followers. In verse 17, they say to Jesus, "Tell us, then, what you think. Is it lawful to pay taxes to Caesar, or not?" (ESV). It was a trick question, and they knew it. If Jesus answered, "No," the Herodians would charge Him with treason against Rome. If He said, "Yes," the Pharisees would accuse Him of disloyalty to the Jewish nation, and He would lose the support of the crowds. To pay taxes or not to pay taxes? The question was designed as a Catch-22.

Jesus' response is nothing short of brilliant: "But Jesus, aware of their malice, said, 'Why put me to the test, you hypocrites? Show me the coin for the tax.' And they brought him a denarius" (Matthew 22:1819, ESV).

The denarius was a coin used as the tax money at the time. It was made of silver and featured an image of the emperor with an inscription calling him "divine." The Jews considered such images idolatry, forbidden by the second commandment. This was another reason why, if Jesus answered, "Yes," He would be in trouble. His acceptance of the tax as "lawful" could have been seen as a rejection of the second commandment, thus casting doubt on His claim to be the Son of God.

With the coin displayed in front of them, Jesus said, "Whose likeness and inscription is this?" The Herodians and Pharisees, stating the obvious, said, "Caesar's." Then Jesus brought an end to their foolish tricks: "Therefore render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's" (Matthew 22:21, ESV). Upon hearing this, Jesus' enemies marveled and went away (verse 22).

When Jesus said, "Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's," He was drawing a sharp distinction between two kingdoms. There is a kingdom of this world, and Caesar holds power over it. But there is another kingdom, not of this world, and Jesus is King of that (John 18:36). Christians are part of both kingdoms, at least temporarily. Under Caesar, we have certain obligations that involve material things. Under Christ, we have other obligations that involve things eternal. If Caesar demands money, give it to him it's only mammon. But make sure you also give God what He demands.
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