Long article on the Mar-A-Lago search. Some key points:

Trump and Biden are both lying -- Trump when he says he cooperated, Biden when he says he wasn't involved.

Trump repeatedly took actions that forced Biden to get involved.

Surveillance video showed people "breezing in and out of areas where Trump was storing his presidential records, apparently moving boxes around."

The breach was "extraordinarily serious" and required an immediate assessment of damage. Yet Trump repeatedly tried to block the FBI from accessing records in the government's possession.

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These revelations are condemnable. They provide a solid basis for Trump detractors to argue that the Mar-a-Lago search, though stunning and unprecedented, was justified -- or at least not unreasonable.

For those of us who remain skeptical about whether the drastic measure of a search warrant was really necessary (especially given the FBI and DOJ's evident lack of urgency in the months after Trump's surrender of the 15 boxes in January 2022), these revelations require grappling with a hard question: Given that the former president was not responsibly securing the government's most closely held intelligence, that he was trying to prevent the FBI from examining what he'd returned, that his lawyers were either misinformed about or lying about the classified information still retained at Mar-a-Lago, and that even the issuance of a grand-jury subpoena (with potential criminal penalties for noncompliance) had not succeeded in getting Trump to hand over the remaining classified information, what option short of a search warrant would have sufficed?

https://www.nationalreview.com/2022/08/trump-worlds-mar-a-lago-offensive-backfires/

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Really, everybody in politics just sucks seems to be the appropriate response.

Now if we just had that red "reset" button we could push, maybe we could find a
decent human being to lead our nation.

Forest Bueller_bf said:

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Really, everybody in politics just sucks seems to be the appropriate response.

Now if we just had that red "reset" button we could push, maybe we could find a
decent human being to lead our nation.

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We have a reset button. I doubt that anyone would enjoy what the 5-10 years after pushing it look like. Also skeptical that the resulting leaders will fit a reasonable definition of "decent human being".

Why in the hell would Trump choose such a ridiculous hill to die on? I mean, with all of the other **** being tossed his way, he really wanted to pick a fight over something so dumb as this?

The guy can't get out of his own way.

Forest Bueller_bf said:

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Really, everybody in politics just sucks seems to be the appropriate response.

Now if we just had that red "reset" button we could push, maybe we could find a
decent human being to lead our nation.

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Amen.

Of possible interest (from the Washington Post):

Trump's secret papers and the 'myth' of presidential security clearance (msn.com)

Forest Bueller_bf said:

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Really, everybody in politics just sucks seems to be the appropriate response.

Now if we just had that red "reset" button we could push, maybe we could find a
decent human being to lead our nation.

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Amen Brother Forest. I want someone under six decades old not named Harris.

Sam Lowry said:

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Long article on the Mar-A-Lago search. Some key points:

Trump and Biden are both lying -- Trump when he says he cooperated, Biden when he says he wasn't involved.

Trump repeatedly took actions that forced Biden to get involved.

Surveillance video showed people "breezing in and out of areas where Trump was storing his presidential records, apparently moving boxes around."

The breach was "extraordinarily serious" and required an immediate assessment of damage. Yet Trump repeatedly tried to block the FBI from accessing records in the government's possession.

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These revelations are condemnable. They provide a solid basis for Trump detractors to argue that the Mar-a-Lago search, though stunning and unprecedented, was justified -- or at least not unreasonable.

For those of us who remain skeptical about whether the drastic measure of a search warrant was really necessary (especially given the FBI and DOJ's evident lack of urgency in the months after Trump's surrender of the 15 boxes in January 2022), these revelations require grappling with a hard question: Given that the former president was not responsibly securing the government's most closely held intelligence, that he was trying to prevent the FBI from examining what he'd returned, that his lawyers were either misinformed about or lying about the classified information still retained at Mar-a-Lago, and that even the issuance of a grand-jury subpoena (with potential criminal penalties for noncompliance) had not succeeded in getting Trump to hand over the remaining classified information, what option short of a search warrant would have sufficed?

https://www.nationalreview.com/2022/08/trump-worlds-mar-a-lago-offensive-backfires/

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none of that is new to us with sources.. well, maybe the "breezing in and out." That can be made to sound worse than it is as well. If the landscaper is in there.. hold the phone, if a former president staff member is in there "moving boxes" may not be that bad. Also, was the breezing happening after the double
Lock install..

Will do some digging and see what comes up..

*yawn* - more basement hysteria????

after 7 years of out right and collusion and deep state cover ups - I will need a helluvalotta "proof" / video evidence / sworn testimony before I leap out me drawers over yet another "urgent" "cant miss" "we got the goods on Donald of orange".

The FBI / DOJ Goodwill asset is negative and all their Formerly well-earned and deserved Intangibles are also Basically Merde (y merde plus) at this point.

But go ahead "finally" post the real truths - right here on this here website. That one article after 1000's of failed and largely refuted "testimonies" that will finally bring down The Don.

- KKM

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Why in the hell would Trump choose such a ridiculous hill to die on? I mean, with all of the other **** being tossed his way, he really wanted to pick a fight over something so dumb as this?

The guy can't get out of his own way.

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This issue is driving his poll numbers while killing the numbers of potential challengers

It's not that the truth is just coming out. It's that the NARA letter blew Trump's dishonest defenses out of the water.

Mothra said:

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Why in the hell would Trump choose such a ridiculous hill to die on? I mean, with all of the other **** being tossed his way, he really wanted to pick a fight over something so dumb as this?

The guy can't get out of his own way.

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Because he is a large, stubborn baby. Been like this his whole life. No surprise to anyone that has paid attention to how he handles his business.

He is also EXTREMELY stupid. That does not help.

Sam Lowry said:

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It's not that the truth is just coming out. It's that the NARA letter blew Trump's dishonest defenses out of the water.

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? Nothing new but it changes everything!

Ok..

4th and Inches said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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It's not that the truth is just coming out. It's that the NARA letter blew Trump's dishonest defenses out of the water.

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? Nothing new but it changes everything!

Ok..

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We're not talking about overdue library books. Is that new enough for you?

Sam Lowry said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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It's not that the truth is just coming out. It's that the NARA letter blew Trump's dishonest defenses out of the water.

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? Nothing new but it changes everything!

Ok..

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We're not talking about overdue library books. Is that new enough for you?

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you know that letter has been on the archives.gov website for a while now right? All the back and forth letters are..

Nothing new to those with sources..

So we are all on the same page- Trump is blocking the NARA from showing records to FBI. The NARA has records. The raid was to make sure NARA has everything so Biden can waive Trumps executive privilege and unseal. Trump has asked for a special master before unsealing, FBI no like that..

Everybody all caught up(ish)

4th and Inches said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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It's not that the truth is just coming out. It's that the NARA letter blew Trump's dishonest defenses out of the water.

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? Nothing new but it changes everything!

Ok..

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We're not talking about overdue library books. Is that new enough for you?

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you know that letter has been on the archives.gov website for a while now right? All the back and forth letters are..

Nothing new to those with sources..

So we are all on the same page- Trump is blocking the NARA from showing records to FBI. The NARA has records. The raid was to make sure NARA has everything so Biden can waive Trumps executive privilege and unseal. Trump has asked for a special master before unsealing, FBI no like that..

Everybody all caught up(ish)

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Then I guess you've had plenty of time to contemplate the OP's question. What option short of a search warrant would have sufficed?

Sam Lowry said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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It's not that the truth is just coming out. It's that the NARA letter blew Trump's dishonest defenses out of the water.

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? Nothing new but it changes everything!

Ok..

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We're not talking about overdue library books. Is that new enough for you?

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you know that letter has been on the archives.gov website for a while now right? All the back and forth letters are..

Nothing new to those with sources..

So we are all on the same page- Trump is blocking the NARA from showing records to FBI. The NARA has records. The raid was to make sure NARA has everything so Biden can waive Trumps executive privilege and unseal. Trump has asked for a special master before unsealing, FBI no like that..

Everybody all caught up(ish)

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Then I guess you've had plenty of time to contemplate the OP's question. What option short of a search warrant would have sufficed?

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limiting question.. maybe a better worded warrant and a limited removal overseen by a special master..

Again, some of the arguement is over records NARA already has possession

william said:

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*yawn* - more basement hysteria????

after 7 years of out right and collusion and deep state cover ups - I will need a helluvalotta "proof" / video evidence / sworn testimony before I leap out me drawers over yet another "urgent" "cant miss" "we got the goods on Donald of orange".

The FBI / DOJ Goodwill asset is negative and all their Formerly well-earned and deserved Intangibles are also Basically Merde (y merde plus) at this point.

But go ahead "finally" post the real truths - right here on this here website. That one article after 1000's of failed and largely refuted "testimonies" that will finally bring down The Don.

- KKM

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Amen

william said:

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*yawn* - more basement hysteria????

after 7 years of out right and collusion and deep state cover ups - I will need a helluvalotta "proof" / video evidence / sworn testimony before I leap out me drawers over yet another "urgent" "cant miss" "we got the goods on Donald of orange".

The FBI / DOJ Goodwill asset is negative and all their Formerly well-earned and deserved Intangibles are also Basically Merde (y merde plus) at this point.

But go ahead "finally" post the real truths - right here on this here website. That one article after 1000's of failed and largely refuted "testimonies" that will finally bring down The Don.

- KKM

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the dems have cried wolf so often, when are we supposed to jump now?

A considerably more balanced take, showing the partisan bias of NARA

https://thefederalist.com/2022/08/15/from-bureaucrat-hack-to-grand-jury-witch-hunt-the-dojs-trump-raid-smells-like-spygate/

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A considerably more balanced take, showing the partisan bias of NARA

https://thefederalist.com/2022/08/15/from-bureaucrat-hack-to-grand-jury-witch-hunt-the-dojs-trump-raid-smells-like-spygate/

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That is bloody hilarious. Thanks for the comic relief, good sir.

LIB,MR BEARS said:

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william said:

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*yawn* - more basement hysteria????

after 7 years of out right and collusion and deep state cover ups - I will need a helluvalotta "proof" / video evidence / sworn testimony before I leap out me drawers over yet another "urgent" "cant miss" "we got the goods on Donald of orange".

The FBI / DOJ Goodwill asset is negative and all their Formerly well-earned and deserved Intangibles are also Basically Merde (y merde plus) at this point.

But go ahead "finally" post the real truths - right here on this here website. That one article after 1000's of failed and largely refuted "testimonies" that will finally bring down The Don.

- KKM

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the dems have cried wolf so often, when are we supposed to jump now?

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Hurry Mueller, theres a call from Ukraine waiting for you on the Jan 6th courtesy phone..

Probably

LIB,MR BEARS said:

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william said:

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*yawn* - more basement hysteria????

after 7 years of out right and collusion and deep state cover ups - I will need a helluvalotta "proof" / video evidence / sworn testimony before I leap out me drawers over yet another "urgent" "cant miss" "we got the goods on Donald of orange".

The FBI / DOJ Goodwill asset is negative and all their Formerly well-earned and deserved Intangibles are also Basically Merde (y merde plus) at this point.

But go ahead "finally" post the real truths - right here on this here website. That one article after 1000's of failed and largely refuted "testimonies" that will finally bring down The Don.

- KKM

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the dems have cried wolf so often, when are we supposed to jump now?

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I think you missed the point of the fable. It wasn't meant to put you at ease with wolves.

Sam Lowry said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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william said:

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*yawn* - more basement hysteria????

after 7 years of out right and collusion and deep state cover ups - I will need a helluvalotta "proof" / video evidence / sworn testimony before I leap out me drawers over yet another "urgent" "cant miss" "we got the goods on Donald of orange".

The FBI / DOJ Goodwill asset is negative and all their Formerly well-earned and deserved Intangibles are also Basically Merde (y merde plus) at this point.

But go ahead "finally" post the real truths - right here on this here website. That one article after 1000's of failed and largely refuted "testimonies" that will finally bring down The Don.

- KKM

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the dems have cried wolf so often, when are we supposed to jump now?

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I think you missed the point of the fable. It wasn't meant to put you at ease with wolves.

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no, the kid (dems) cried wolf so often folks quit believing them. They've lied so many times their words carry no weight regardless if they are finally telling the truth or not. Once again, they ALWAYS overplay their hand.

LIB,MR BEARS said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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william said:

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*yawn* - more basement hysteria????

after 7 years of out right and collusion and deep state cover ups - I will need a helluvalotta "proof" / video evidence / sworn testimony before I leap out me drawers over yet another "urgent" "cant miss" "we got the goods on Donald of orange".

The FBI / DOJ Goodwill asset is negative and all their Formerly well-earned and deserved Intangibles are also Basically Merde (y merde plus) at this point.

But go ahead "finally" post the real truths - right here on this here website. That one article after 1000's of failed and largely refuted "testimonies" that will finally bring down The Don.

- KKM

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the dems have cried wolf so often, when are we supposed to jump now?

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I think you missed the point of the fable. It wasn't meant to put you at ease with wolves.

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no, the kid (dems) cried wolf so often folks quit believing them. They've lied so many times their words carry no weight regardless if they are finally telling the truth or not. Once again, they ALWAYS overplay their hand.

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No no, it's been rewritten so the moral can't be used against leftists. Now the story goes that the wolf showed up every time the kid cried about it, but by some strange coincidence it disappeared every time before the villagers showed up. Then it killed everyone because they ignored the one person who was "awake" to the danger. Afterwards the wolf sold super secret documents to Russia or China or some stupid **** even though they couldn't give him anything he needed.

william said:

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*yawn* - more basement hysteria????

after 7 years of out right and collusion and deep state cover ups - I will need a helluvalotta "proof" / video evidence / sworn testimony before I leap out me drawers over yet another "urgent" "cant miss" "we got the goods on Donald of orange".

The FBI / DOJ Goodwill asset is negative and all their Formerly well-earned and deserved Intangibles are also Basically Merde (y merde plus) at this point.

But go ahead "finally" post the real truths - right here on this here website. That one article after 1000's of failed and largely refuted "testimonies" that will finally bring down The Don.

- KKM

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Amen to that.

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william said:

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*yawn* - more basement hysteria????

after 7 years of out right and collusion and deep state cover ups - I will need a helluvalotta "proof" / video evidence / sworn testimony before I leap out me drawers over yet another "urgent" "cant miss" "we got the goods on Donald of orange".

The FBI / DOJ Goodwill asset is negative and all their Formerly well-earned and deserved Intangibles are also Basically Merde (y merde plus) at this point.

But go ahead "finally" post the real truths - right here on this here website. That one article after 1000's of failed and largely refuted "testimonies" that will finally bring down The Don.

- KKM

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Amen to that.

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DT did what we needed - and boy howdy doo!

Upset the proverbial apple cart did he ....

- KKM

... and then some.

Mission Accomplished (image of GW43's soiled Flight Suit comes to mind) and time to retire to Sea To Lake.

D!