https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/national/capitol-riots/active-duty-sailor-convicted-in-capitol-riot-says-probation-would-be-fatal-to-his-navy-career-david-elizalde-navy-uss-harry-truman/65-4fafc617-97dc-4f85-b3fd-61a8e3fdeed0


Should this man get a lesser sentence so he can keep his job in the Navy?

I don't believe any American citizen should be sentenced for peaceful protest at the National Capitol.

And no where in that article does he say that Petty Office David Elizalde engaged in any violence.

[Leading Petty Officer David Elizalde, 46, was convicted in a bench trial last year of one misdemeanor count of parading, demonstrating or picketing in a Capitol building. Federal prosecutors are seeking three years of probation, along with 30 days of intermittent confinement,]

The men on his ship were told not to go. Do orders count? I would like to hear from the military men present.

Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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The men on his ship were told not to go. Do orders count? I would like to hear from the military men present.

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You neglected to mention such orders earlier.

Playing your silly little games as always.

Yes, orders count.

His career is over.

From the article I posted:

Elizalde was stationed on the USS Harry S. Truman, a nuclear-powered aircraft carrier based out of Norfolk, Virginia, on Jan. 6, 2021. According to his attorney, Stephen F. Brennwald, Elizalde was on shore leave at the time and didn't see an email from the Navy instructing its members not to attend any Jan. 6 events.

Are direct orders typically mass emailed?

I have no idea. There are a few military guys that hang out here. Maybe they could tell us.

Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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I have no idea. There are a few military guys that hang out here. Maybe they could tell us.

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If part of their orders are to check those emails before shore leave then I would guess yes. Hopefully someone can answer this one.

He should get leniency if he shows remorse. According to the article he's done the opposite. Can't say it's any great loss if he's not trusted to defend his country any more.

Redbrickbear said:

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I don't believe any American citizen should be sentenced for peaceful protest at the National Capitol.

And no where in that article does he say that Petty Office David Elizalde engaged in any violence.

[Leading Petty Officer David Elizalde, 46, was convicted in a bench trial last year of one misdemeanor count of parading, demonstrating or picketing in a Capitol building. Federal prosecutors are seeking three years of probation, along with 30 days of intermittent confinement,]

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all of that is legal according to the first amendment.. any law that says other wise violates his first amendment rights

Wangchung said:

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Are direct orders typically mass emailed?

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On a carrier manned by over 4,000 sailors; how else could the captain post such orders rapidly ?

KaiBear said:

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Wangchung said:

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Are direct orders typically mass emailed?

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On a carrier manned by over 4,000 sailors; how else could the captain post such orders rapidly ?

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Probably directly from superiors. But again, I don't know. That's why I asked.

Sam Lowry said:

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He should get leniency if he shows remorse. According to the article he's done the opposite. Can't say it's any great loss if he's not trusted to defend his country any more.

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Given how the army is doing in its recruitment as of late, I'd say we need almost every able-bodied man we can get.

That said, I'm a bit surprised at your stance. Leniency as long as he shows remorse for what you've termed a violent insurrection? Interesting…