https://lithub.com/enough-with-your-lost-cause-the-treasonous-confederacy-was-never-a-nation/

How does a State commit treason against itself?

Where in the U.S. Constitution is a State withdrawing from the Union forbidden or "treason"?

"Each State is organized as a complete government, holding the purse and wielding the sword, possessing the right to break the tie of the confederation as a nation might break a treaty, and to repel coercion as a nation might repel invasion. Coercion, if it were possible, is out of the question." - November 9, 1860, The New York Herald

"We believe that the right of any member of this current confederacy [the United States] to dissolve its political relations with the others and assume an independent position is absolute that, in other words, if South Carolina wants to go out of the Union, she has the right to do so, and no party or power may justly say her nay. This we suppose to be the doctrine of the Declaration of Independence when it affirms that governments are instituted for the protection of men in their lives, liberties, and the pursuit of happiness; and that 'whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or abolish it, and to institute new government . . .'" - Cincinnati Daily Press, November 21, 1860

"We desire, we beseech you, let this parting be in peace. I conjure you to indulge in no vain delusion that duty or conscience, interest or honor, imposes upon you the necessity of invading our States or shedding the blood of our people. You have no possible justification for it. I trust it is in no craven spirit, and with no sacrifice of the honor or dignity of my own State, that I make this last appeal, but from far higher and holier motives."-Judah P. Benjamin (Jewish Senator from Louisiana, 12/31/1860)

Harrison Bergeron said:

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It's weird you thought this was worth posting.

#moveon.org

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It's weird you thought posting this.

The Confederacy met every characteristic a nation must have. It had a national government, its own currency, its own military, its own political structure beyond the national government.

You might not like that it was a nation, but it absolutely was.

Realitybites said:

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The Confederacy met every characteristic a nation must have. It had a national government, its own currency, its own military, its own political structure beyond the national government.

You might not like that it was a nation, but it absolutely was.

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So did ISIS

Tempus Edax Rerum said:

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Realitybites said:

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The Confederacy met every characteristic a nation must have. It had a national government, its own currency, its own military, its own political structure beyond the national government.

You might not like that it was a nation, but it absolutely was.

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So did ISIS

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True....ISIS (real name the Islamic State) did in fact met most the requirement to be a Nation-State

Theocratic like Iran. And it followed Islamic law closely in fact. Even electing a Caliph (religious-political) leader as prescribed by the Quran and Islamic law. Ibrahim Awwad Ibrahim Ali al-Badri. And ISIS (real name the Islamic State) is still around.

There are many examples of States his history that met or meet the same general standards of Nation.

And some that are Nations on paper that don't even function like them...failed States like Haiti and many sub-Saharan African nations.

Of course the Confederate States of America, Islamic State, and African nations have little else in common.

If you were looking for a more North American examples you could point to Utah under Brigham Young.
[The State of Deseret. Settled by Latter-day Saint pioneers in 1847 (then under Mexican sovereignty), the region fell to the U.S. in the 1848 Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo. Lacking immediate federal oversight, the settlers created the provisional State of Deseret in 1849, spanning a massive "Texas-sized" area from the Rockies to California. Brigham Young served as governor, backed by a bicameral General Assembly, its own criminal code, property taxes, public works, and the Nauvoo Legion militia]

Or the Republic of Texas from 1836 to 1846. Before voting to join the USA.

It was a Nation in all legitimate sense. Even though Mexico never recognized it and try to conquer it by force.

"Mexico never recognized the Republic of Texas, continuously viewing it as a rebellious province until it was annexed by the United States."


I assume that was the point you were trying to make?

Culture persistence with migration:
About 20,000 Confederate Americans migrated to Sao Paulo state, Brazil, after the Civil War.
150 years on, their areas of settlement are more developed, Protestant, and English-speaking, but not more right-wing. https://t.co/SZaxciRi5K pic.twitter.com/EcDb4akLHK

— Whyvert (@whyvert) October 27, 2026