1. I realize this is a fruitless exercise
2. I realize we have beaten this topic to death in different ways

That being said, genuinely curious for someone to lay out an affirmative case for massive immigration both from H1-B visa holders and illegal migrants.

Does the value of legal and illegal immigration outweigh their negative impact? I do appreciate receiving the world's best and brightest like Musk and others and really being the global place for innovation, but we pay a lot of externalities to be able to claim ~100 geniuses as Americans.

Immigration exacerbates many of the problems on Americans' minds today:
1. It makes everything more expensive
2. It drives exponential costs to taxpayers
3. It is culturally destructive
4. It increases violence and urban blight

I am sure someone smarter than me can really lay out a great case for it ... would love to ponder it.

FLunaticbear will mental gymnastics through this one easily

Danielsjackson114 said:

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FLunaticbear will mental gymnastics through this one easily

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I'm not really interested in talking about other posters - would genuinely like someone to layout why we should all support massive legal and illegal immigration.

Liberals are always quiet on losing issues

Harrison Bergeron said:

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1. I realize this is a fruitless exercise
2. I realize we have beaten this topic to death in different ways

That being said, genuinely curious for someone to lay out an affirmative case for massive immigration both from H1-B visa holders and illegal migrants.

Does the value of legal and illegal immigration outweigh their negative impact? I do appreciate receiving the world's best and brightest like Musk and others and really being the global place for innovation, but we pay a lot of externalities to be able to claim ~100 geniuses as Americans.

Immigration exacerbates many of the problems on Americans' minds today:
1. It makes everything more expensive
2. It drives exponential costs to taxpayers
3. It is culturally destructive
4. It increases violence and urban blight

I am sure someone smarter than me can really lay out a great case for it ... would love to ponder it.

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The case for mass immigration and the case to allow Musk or a few thousand specifically talented individuals to emigrate from other countries are completely different.

There are two theoretical cases for mass immigration: (1) Provide a labor market subsidy to corporate America by increasing the available supply of labor and driving down wages. (2) Attempt to prop up programs like Social Security and Medicare which face inevitable bankruptcy without a growing number of tax paying workers.

Offsetting this is the damage to the nation's language, culture, and unity that occur when you permit massive numbers of people to enter your country and set up ethnic enclaves en route to a failing multicultural state. The theoretical economic benefits are cancelled by those immigrants who end up on welfare and tax the social safety net, emergency rooms, etc as well as those who engage in criminal activity.

In fact, outside of the EU, Canada, the United States, Australia, and New Zealand I know of no other country that permits mass immigration as has occurred in these five regions. Even Argentina, which is fairly generous when it comes to welcoming immigrants as countries outside the Anglosphere go, doesn't permit it. Most countries are extremely strict and only allow immigrants to enter who have specific talents or a 7+ figure (and sometimes 8+ figure) net worth.

Harrison Bergeron said:

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1. I realize this is a fruitless exercise
2. I realize we have beaten this topic to death in different ways

That being said, genuinely curious for someone to lay out an affirmative case for massive immigration both from H1-B visa holders and illegal migrants.

Does the value of legal and illegal immigration outweigh their negative impact? I do appreciate receiving the world's best and brightest like Musk and others and really being the global place for innovation, but we pay a lot of externalities to be able to claim ~100 geniuses as Americans.

Immigration exacerbates many of the problems on Americans' minds today:
1. It makes everything more expensive
2. It drives exponential costs to taxpayers
3. It is culturally destructive
4. It increases violence and urban blight

I am sure someone smarter than me can really lay out a great case for it ... would love to ponder it.

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Serious response

1. Guarantees the predominance of the Democratic Party.
2. Destroys the traditional culture of the United States. Which is now desired by millions of individuals. As whites do not own a monopoly on racism.

Harrison Bergeron said:

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1. I realize this is a fruitless exercise
2. I realize we have beaten this topic to death in different ways

That being said, genuinely curious for someone to lay out an affirmative case for massive immigration both from H1-B visa holders and illegal migrants.

Does the value of legal and illegal immigration outweigh their negative impact? I do appreciate receiving the world's best and brightest like Musk and others and really being the global place for innovation, but we pay a lot of externalities to be able to claim ~100 geniuses as Americans.

Immigration exacerbates many of the problems on Americans' minds today:
1. It makes everything more expensive
2. It drives exponential costs to taxpayers
3. It is culturally destructive
4. It increases violence and urban blight

I am sure someone smarter than me can really lay out a great case for it ... would love to ponder it.

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It's a tool used to dismantle the once strong American culture.

So if you are a globalist at the top, how do you loot the resources of hard working Americans and ensure America is kept under the control of the world government (aka bankers/corporations) - easy enough, import twenty of millions of non-assimilating immigrants, put them in key places to sway elections, increase the government burden, play off of fake sympathies, get women to take up their cause, and vote their rights way. Tons of negative impacts on the society, and you make it so they can't do anything to solve the problem.

So yeah, it's great if your intent is to break a country's culture, and ultimately control it by having distinct people groups that are easy to manipulate on fake issues.

Mass immigration is never useful.

Controlled immigration can be.
It can help mitigate low birth rates while keeping new citizens assimilating to the political and economic culture that makes the country work.
It can bring new good ideas from outside the box while keeping the truly bad ideas in check.
It can bring in some darn good food menu alternatives.

EatMoreSalmon said:

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Mass immigration is never useful.

Controlled immigration can be.
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Bingo

It had to be controlled.

Selected for those with high levels of education and job skills.

And in numbers than can be assimilated

On immigration and public finances:

"Britain mostly chose not to find out". https://t.co/CI3zbt3zPC pic.twitter.com/EEP1aBwGZb

— Joe Allen (@Joe___Allen) October 29, 2026

Bump

Let's be honest, the liberal argument is "those poor brown people"

Weird the LWNJs cannot find an answer.

As long as these people aren't in their neighborhood, they are all for it