South Africa Racism - Farmers leaving the country

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riflebear
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I've seen this story over the last year and it's only getting worse. I can't remember if it was 60 minutes or another nightly news show that had this story on last year. This is so sad and wrong in so many ways.





Just weeks after we reported that white South African farmers, facing racial genocide, had begun seeking refuge - from the violent attacks and death threats of their own government's policies - in friendly foreign nations such as Australia, RT reports the first 50 families of Boers, descendants of Dutch settlers in South Africa, could soon be moving to Russia to escape rising violence against farmers.

As a reminder, back in February, after literally years of scandal, abuse, and incompetence, South Africa's president Jacob Zuma was finally forced to resign last week, and new President, Cyril Ramaphosa, was supposed to represent a positive, new chapter for South Africa.

However, as Simon Black wrote at the time, Ramaphosa addressed the nation's parliament in Cape Town and made clear that his priority is to heal the divisions and injustice of the past, going all the way back to the original European colonists in the 1600s taking land from the indigenous tribes.

Ramaphosa called this "original sin", and stated that he wants to see "the return of the land to the people from whom it was taken to heal the divisions of the past."

How does he plan on doing that?
Confiscation. Specifically confiscation without compensation.
Quote:

"The expropriation of land without compensation is envisaged as one of the measures that we will use to accelerate redistribution of land to black South Africans."
Ramaphosa minced no words: he's talking about taking land from white farmers and giving it to black South Africans.
RioRata
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That's nothing. The MSM has been hiding the rape crisis in South Africa since the end of Apartheid. It would expose to the world that Nelson Mandela wasn't a saint after all.

https://m.huffingtonpost.co.za/2017/08/31/the-horrific-reality-of-south-africas-rape-problem-will-shock-you_a_23192126/

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First off, we live alongside terrifying statistics: that South Africa is rape capital of the world. That one in three South African women will be raped in our lifetime. That a woman is raped in the country every 26 seconds...
riflebear
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Obama was just down there making a speech praising their new leader. We are so fortunate Obama is not in office anymore.

robby44
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If only they could go back to the good ol days of apartheid everything would be alright
DaveyBear
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robby44 said:

If only they could go back to the good ol days of apartheid everything would be alright
Nice try 44, when you were doing your job against the Aggies (and occasionally showing up in Houston and New Orleans) South Africa was working.

I am going to assist you with a small fact (pretend like you care...)

From 1980 - 19994 - the country that led our planet with the most the asylum seekers was the USA.

Guess what country was #2?

I will await for Stinque to refute your response.
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Mitch Blood Green
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DaveyBear said:

robby44 said:

If only they could go back to the good ol days of apartheid everything would be alright
Nice try 44, when you were doing your job against the Aggies (and occasionally showing up in Houston and New Orleans) South Africa was working.

I am going to assist you with a small fact (pretend like you care...)

From 1980 - 19994 - the country that led our planet with the most the asylum seekers was the USA.

Guess what country was #2?

I will await for Stinque to refute your response.


Didn't Coryatt beat your ass?
robby44
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DaveyBear said:

robby44 said:

If only they could go back to the good ol days of apartheid everything would be alright
Nice try 44, when you were doing your job against the Aggies (and occasionally showing up in Houston and New Orleans) South Africa was working.

I am going to assist you with a small fact (pretend like you care...)

From 1980 - 19994 - the country that led our planet with the most the asylum seekers was the USA.

Guess what country was #2?

I will await for Stinque to refute your response.

Yea that's what I said if only they could turn back to the good ol days of apartheid SA was doing great
Osodecentx
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robby44 said:



Yea that's what I said if only they could turn back to the good ol days of apartheid SA was doing great
Do you think what is happening in SA is fair and just?:
corncob pipe
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He will apply Coach Fix's Injuns were noble shlt and apply it to the Zulus....

Mitch Blood Green
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Osodecentx said:

robby44 said:



Yea that's what I said if only they could turn back to the good ol days of apartheid SA was doing great
Do you think what is happening in SA is fair and just?:


What does that mean? What's the "fair and just" timeline?

What do voluntary mean?
robby44
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Osodecentx said:

robby44 said:



Yea that's what I said if only they could turn back to the good ol days of apartheid SA was doing great
Do you think what is happening in SA is fair and just?:

Nope. Do you think apartheid was fair and just
The sins of the father shall be visited on the sons
robby44
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corncob pipe said:

He will apply Coach Fix's Injuns were noble shlt and apply it to the Zulus....



Nah injuns werent noble they were unlucky
Unfortunately they didn't learn how to master the steel and make weapons
Too bad neither of those groups could master the steel.
Florda_mike
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riflebear said:

I've seen this story over the last year and it's only getting worse. I can't remember if it was 60 minutes or another nightly news show that had this story on last year. This is so sad and wrong in so many ways.





Just weeks after we reported that white South African farmers, facing racial genocide, had begun seeking refuge - from the violent attacks and death threats of their own government's policies - in friendly foreign nations such as Australia, RT reports the first 50 families of Boers, descendants of Dutch settlers in South Africa, could soon be moving to Russia to escape rising violence against farmers.

As a reminder, back in February, after literally years of scandal, abuse, and incompetence, South Africa's president Jacob Zuma was finally forced to resign last week, and new President, Cyril Ramaphosa, was supposed to represent a positive, new chapter for South Africa.

However, as Simon Black wrote at the time, Ramaphosa addressed the nation's parliament in Cape Town and made clear that his priority is to heal the divisions and injustice of the past, going all the way back to the original European colonists in the 1600s taking land from the indigenous tribes.

Ramaphosa called this "original sin", and stated that he wants to see "the return of the land to the people from whom it was taken to heal the divisions of the past."

How does he plan on doing that?
Confiscation. Specifically confiscation without compensation.
Quote:

"The expropriation of land without compensation is envisaged as one of the measures that we will use to accelerate redistribution of land to black South Africans."
Ramaphosa minced no words: he's talking about taking land from white farmers and giving it to black South Africans.


Ahhhh redistribution of wealth they call this!!!

Humm isn't that the words Obama used too?

Could obama meant this for us?

Naaaaawww surely not
Osodecentx
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robby44 said:

Osodecentx said:

robby44 said:



Yea that's what I said if only they could turn back to the good ol days of apartheid SA was doing great
Do you think what is happening in SA is fair and just?:

Nope. Do you think apartheid was fair and just
The sins of the father shall be visited on the sons

Absolutely not, apartheid is an atrocity.

Do the sins of the former government justify what is happening now? Mandela thought not.
Osodecentx
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tommie said:

Osodecentx said:

robby44 said:



Yea that's what I said if only they could turn back to the good ol days of apartheid SA was doing great
Do you think what is happening in SA is fair and just?:


What does that mean? What's the "fair and just" timeline?

What do voluntary mean?
I didn't say voluntary. Not sure where that comes from

Fair and just timeline means, oh, last 50 years (include apartheid). Is this what Mandela meant?
JXL
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Apartheid certainly was not fair or just, far from it. That doesn't mean the systems which replaced it are an improvement.

Rhodesia / Zimbabwe used to be a major food producer in Southern Africa. Is the average Zimbabwean better off now?
riflebear
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https://www.newswars.com/south-africa-heading-toward-communist-disaster-says-winemaker/

An award-winning South African winemaker foresees a potential catastrophe as government steers the country from socialism to a communistic failed state.

"We are one of the countries with a wide gap between the rich and the poor, where 13 percent of the South African population of 56 million people are the ones paying income taxes," Dreyer said in his interview with RT. "Yes, 13 percent make the country run. 18 million of the 56 million is reliant on social grants, and unemployment is at 37.5 percent, so yes it is much easier to hand out land as the money is drying up."

"Why would I work hard and create jobs if it is to be shared among all? It is the government's job to create a corruption-free environment that is favorable for investment."
riflebear
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cinque
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DaveyBear said:

robby44 said:

If only they could go back to the good ol days of apartheid everything would be alright
Nice try 44, when you were doing your job against the Aggies (and occasionally showing up in Houston and New Orleans) South Africa was working.

I am going to assist you with a small fact (pretend like you care...)

From 1980 - 19994 - the country that led our planet with the most the asylum seekers was the USA.

Guess what country was #2?

I will await for Stinque to refute your response.
I already provided a link to a refutation of this hoax in another thread
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Canada2017
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robby44 said:

If only they could go back to the good ol days of apartheid everything would be alright


Within 15 years apartheid ( which was wrong ) will look positively wonderful in comparison to the violence and starvation that will engulf South Africa .

Sam Lowry
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Mandela was an evil man. He was too smart to do something like this himself, but the end result of his revolution should be no surprise. It's what happens when Marxists gain the power to administer "justice."
cinque
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Republicans have long ugly history of being pro apartheid. Undoing it and their support for is ongoing.
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syme
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Unsurprisingly, post-apartheid SA has seen a reversion to the mean. Across the board increases in rape, poverty, HIV, inflation, murder, unemployment, and coming soon... starvation and malnutrition.

It's been an impressive 2 decades.
syme
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cinque said:

Republicans have long ugly history of being pro apartheid. Undoing it and their support for is ongoing.


Cinque, do you agree with the liberal argument that this is essentially eminent domain?
cinque
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syme said:

cinque said:

Republicans have long ugly history of being pro apartheid. Undoing it and their support for is ongoing.


Cinque, do you agree with the liberal argument that this is essentially eminent domain?
The issue is much more complicated than that.
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cinque
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Here's what happens when you elect an ignorant racist to POTUS:

On Monday night, the Fox News presenter Tucker Carlson once again talked about the alleged plight of white South African farmers on his Fox News program.


On Twitter, Donald Trump indicated that he had been watching. The president's tweet called for further study, but treated the "large scale killing of farmers" as a settled fact, when reporting indicates that against the background of a generally high murder rate in South Africa, there is no evidence of white farmers being specifically targeted.
But Trump's tweet came at the end of a long process whereby the far-right idea of "white genocide" in South Africa had been mainstreamed, working its way from far-right websites and forums, into the rightward edge of mainstream media, and then into policy proposals. News Corp outlets have played an outsized role in that process.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/aug/23/white-farmers-trump-south-africa-tucker-carlson-far-right-influence
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Mitch Blood Green
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Osodecentx said:

tommie said:

Osodecentx said:

robby44 said:



Yea that's what I said if only they could turn back to the good ol days of apartheid SA was doing great
Do you think what is happening in SA is fair and just?:


What does that mean? What's the "fair and just" timeline?

What do voluntary mean?
I didn't say voluntary. Not sure where that comes from

Fair and just timeline means, oh, last 50 years (include apartheid). Is this what Mandela meant?


Darrin Hambrick said it.
robby44
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Canada2017 said:

robby44 said:

If only they could go back to the good ol days of apartheid everything would be alright


Within 15 years apartheid ( which was wrong ) will look positively wonderful in comparison to the violence and starvation that will engulf South Africa .



Yea too bad the Dutch invaders didn't handle their native peoples problems as well as the English, Spanish and Portuguese
Florda_mike
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robby44 said:

Canada2017 said:

robby44 said:

If only they could go back to the good ol days of apartheid everything would be alright


Within 15 years apartheid ( which was wrong ) will look positively wonderful in comparison to the violence and starvation that will engulf South Africa .



Yea too bad the Dutch invaders didn't handle their native peoples problems as well as the English, Spanish and Portuguese


What exactly did the Dutch do that deserved white farmers being killed today?
robby44
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Florda_mike said:

robby44 said:

Canada2017 said:

robby44 said:

If only they could go back to the good ol days of apartheid everything would be alright


Within 15 years apartheid ( which was wrong ) will look positively wonderful in comparison to the violence and starvation that will engulf South Africa .



Yea too bad the Dutch invaders didn't handle their native peoples problems as well as the English, Spanish and Portuguese


What exactly did the Dutch do that deserved white farmers being killed today?
You mean besides invading another country, taking over 90 percent of their land and committing atrocities against the native population?
D. C. Bear
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robby44 said:

Florda_mike said:

robby44 said:

Canada2017 said:

robby44 said:

If only they could go back to the good ol days of apartheid everything would be alright


Within 15 years apartheid ( which was wrong ) will look positively wonderful in comparison to the violence and starvation that will engulf South Africa .



Yea too bad the Dutch invaders didn't handle their native peoples problems as well as the English, Spanish and Portuguese


What exactly did the Dutch do that deserved white farmers being killed today?
You mean besides invading another country and committing atrocities against the native population?


If we base current policy on displacing people for the wrongs of their ancestors, no one will be allowed to remain on the planet.

If these farmers are driven away in numbers, it will create a disaster as bad as or worse than apartheid. We have already seen this movie in Zimbabwe.
robby44
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D. C. Bear said:

robby44 said:

Florda_mike said:

robby44 said:

Canada2017 said:

robby44 said:

If only they could go back to the good ol days of apartheid everything would be alright


Within 15 years apartheid ( which was wrong ) will look positively wonderful in comparison to the violence and starvation that will engulf South Africa .



Yea too bad the Dutch invaders didn't handle their native peoples problems as well as the English, Spanish and Portuguese


What exactly did the Dutch do that deserved white farmers being killed today?
You mean besides invading another country and committing atrocities against the native population?


If we base current policy on displacing people for the wrongs of their ancestors, no one will be allowed to remain on the planet.

If these farmers are driven away in numbers, it will create a disaster as bad as or worse than apartheid. We have already seen this movie in Zimbabwe.
Worse than apartheid?
D. C. Bear
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robby44 said:

D. C. Bear said:

robby44 said:

Florda_mike said:

robby44 said:

Canada2017 said:

robby44 said:

If only they could go back to the good ol days of apartheid everything would be alright


Within 15 years apartheid ( which was wrong ) will look positively wonderful in comparison to the violence and starvation that will engulf South Africa .



Yea too bad the Dutch invaders didn't handle their native peoples problems as well as the English, Spanish and Portuguese


What exactly did the Dutch do that deserved white farmers being killed today?
You mean besides invading another country and committing atrocities against the native population?


If we base current policy on displacing people for the wrongs of their ancestors, no one will be allowed to remain on the planet.

If these farmers are driven away in numbers, it will create a disaster as bad as or worse than apartheid. We have already seen this movie in Zimbabwe.
Worse than apartheid?


Yes. Actual famine. People dying from lack of food. Having seen what happened in Zimbabwe, this scares me. (One of the images posted earlier looks like it is from Zimbabwe, not South Africa).
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https://www.newsweek.com/white-farmer-killed-every-five-days-south-africa-authorities-do-nothing-851470
"Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passions, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence." ~ John Adams
Sam Lowry
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Hard to believe anyone would defend this. And y'all wonder why whites get antsy from talk of white privilege?
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