Should young adults live with their parents until they are married?

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BaylorFTW
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Here, is an article from a guy making the case that they should:

8 Reasons Men Should Live With Their Parents Until Marriage

Modern culture would have you believe that a man should move out of his parents' house around 18 to mature and learn how to live on his own, but doing so will actually keep him in an immature state while teaching him how to live with the aid of alcohol, drugs, consumer products, pornography, and other degenerate entertainments. Therefore, it may be better for men, especially those who put their faith in Christ, to move out of the family home only upon marriage or to serve the Lord more intensely.

I fell for the "move out of the house" meme when I was 21 years old. Within a short time, I had sex for the first time and was throwing huge parties where I would get intoxicated and hope that I would have more sex. I was also able to masturbate more frequently since I didn't have to worry about my mother in the next room. In the meanwhile, I learned how to do the laundry, which is something any 10-year-old can master, but did not learn how to cook for many years since my disposable income was high enough that I could eat out regularly at Chipotle or buy semi-prepared foods that contained all manner of estrogenic ingredients.

The second home I lived in as an adult was closer to the Washington D.C. nightlife, so it would often be the meeting point for my friends before going out for nights on the town. I purchased dozens of various liquors and constructed a full-service bar, and I'd regularly bring girls back for fornication. The cost of these activities would eat up about half of my disposable income, but I considered myself a maturing man who was learning important things about being independent, when in reality the opposite was occurring. I was developing severe vices, cementing habits that offered no aid to my soul, and was becoming dependent on various corporations to feed me and provide me drink. Living on my own was not making me more matureit was instead providing a more frictionless opportunity for me to sin at the cost of giving up my hard-earned money to various businesses while spending less time with my family.

Once I moved to Europe, and no longer had any roommates, I developed the habit of talking to myself while alone, along with peculiar ways of eating and working. In other words, living alone was making me weird, and any woman I met would have had to accept that weirdness if she wanted a relationship with me.

If you don't have faith in God, living alone seems great because it maximizes the amount of pleasure you can receive, but if you're Christian, those pleasures will separate you from God. Even though I'm 41 years old, I currently live with my mother, and I've considered living with her indefinitely because it allows me to work on my weirdness for the sake of a family bond. I do not participate in any activities that I need to conceal from her, and as long as she doesn't make noise while I live stream, she doesn't bother me much, but alas, her apartment is too small.

Unless your parents are obstructing your faith or insist on infantilizing you (i.e., you have a Mediterranean or Middle Eastern mom), I would be hesitant to move out of the house, even if you're up there in age. Here are eight reasons why you should potentially live with your parents until getting married

1. You'll have less opportunity to sin
When it comes to fornication, compare the logistics of living with your parents in the suburbs to living in the city within walking distance of the nightlife. The latter situation will give a man the potential to score a ton more sex, all to his personal and spiritual detriment. When living at home, you will drink less, masturbate less, be in more control of your anger, and be less likely to develop the vice of greed thanks to a communal living situation. It's harder to sin when other people you love are nearby.

2. You'll learn about family life
As a child, we subconsciously absorb a template of family, and that can sometimes lead to bad results if our family often experienced strife, but as an adult, you can be more conscious of examining the positive and negative traits of your parents and how they impact the tranquility of family life. Your parents don't have to be perfect for you to learn from them; if your father has a bad temper and an alcohol problem, you know that that is something you have to watch out for in your own family. If your mother takes care of all the cooking and cleaning, and you notice that it helps your father with his duties, then you can look for that trait in a wife. You will be able to construct a list of strengths and weaknesses of both your parents and use that for your own version 2.0 family. This is harder to do if you leave the home early before you had time to think of family life.

3. You won't become excessively selfish
When you move out of the house as an immature adult, the focus is on me, me, me. Everything is done for your own pleasure, gain, and satisfaction. The world revolves around you and the only sacrifice you have to make is for your manager at work to keep your job. In other words, you learn how to master selfishness. You develop the belief that people must perfectly serve you just like how your little apartment serves your needs and genitals. This is impossible to do when living with your parents. They have quirks and habits which conflict with yours, and they'll repeatedly encroach on your privacy, making it hard to conceal secrets. You must therefore sacrifice and givein the form of your patience and lovefor their sake. In the end, if you can't figure out how to live with your parents, as flawed as they are, you may falter when living with a spouse.

4. You won't waste money on rent
People who pay rent to live on their own are flushing money down the toilet. Nothing is built, preserved, or saved through rent payments to a landlord. If you calculate the money you've spent on rent in your lifetime, that would have made a sizable down payment on a family home, but no, you had to pay rent because you wanted to party and get laid.

5. You won't develop weird habits that could turn off a reasonable spouse
It's almost impossible to become weird while living at home unless you lock yourself in your bedroom all day. Any odd habit will be immediately checked by your parents or siblings, but once you live alone for a while, you will become officially weird in no time.

6. You won't waste hundreds of hours performing feminine duties
Nothing was added to my being by cleaning the apartment, doing a thousand loads of laundry, or washing the dishes. These duties didn't make me more independent or masculine, and if they make me seem more attractive to a woman, it's because that woman doesn't want to do the house duties ascribed to her sex.
7. You will participate in church life with your family
No one moves alone to the city to attend church more frequently, but when you live with your family, not only are you more likely to go to church, but you will do so as a family unit.

8. You will be instantly unattractive to worldly (i.e. bad) women
Women who have made a god out of themselves by living a worldly life hate men who live at home. They're losers! They're momma's boys! They don't know how to clean like a 'real' man! You don't want these women as wives. A Christian woman knows of the many traps and snares the devil has set up, and would value the man who is closer to his family because she desires a husband who will value the family that they can one day create. The best screening method you can use on potential female prospects is to tell them you're a devout Christian who lives at home (and voted for Donald Trump). If she's also a devout Christian, she will understand, because she's living at home, too. She will not want to sin with you, and knows that such a living situation makes it difficult to accidentally fornicate.

Conclusion
Ultimately, living alone is an unnatural state that is most fit for the holy hermits, for even the monks live within a community. It's best to either you live with family (parents) or you live with family (wife and children).
What have I really learned by living alone for over fifteen years? I learned how to trim my body hair so I could be more attractive to women, how to have conversations with myself, and how to gently kick women I didn't love out of my place, all things that were not spiritually beneficial and which I don't do today.

Satan would love for you to live alone. He will have infinitely more opportunities to tempt you, and unless you are with Christ, you will succumb to those temptations like most people who live in the city. Many businesses and corporations profit when you live alone as you depend more on them than your family, but by living in such a way, ask yourself what profit there will be to your soul.

Article: https://www.rooshv.com/8-reasons-men-should-live-with-their-parents-until-marriage
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Mmmmm who doesn't love the patriarchy

BaylorFTW
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Mmmmm who doesn't love the patriarchy


You have a rich fantasy life to begin to even try to connect this to that.
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After a brief skimming, i agree with several of the reasons but author definitely should have left #6 out...

All of my kids were taught to maintain a house and a car including change oil and tires. All of my kids were also taught to keep house, do dishes and laundry.

All of my kids can easily function as an individual or as a team/family unit.
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Horrible idea. Why would a parent want to delay manhood? A boy become a man when he can take care of himself. The more he provides for the more manly he is. Parents that treat their offspring like they are handicapped and cant take care of themselves do more damage than harm. Raise you son to be a man and when he graduates from high school he should be ready for life. Parents delay manhood so they will maintain control over their child. Its not good for either of them in the long run. Young men should be able to take care of themselves. One of the problems in America (and other cultures too) is we have too many 20+ year old boys still sucking on the family teat and too much free time because they dont have to work. Mommy and daddy pay for their housing, their food, their transportation and their education. The boy child has too much time on his hands when he should be working.

My kids were grown at 18 and been on their own ever since. They all have great educations and live productive lives. They are raiding their children to be independent healthy young adults also.

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The goal in this ideology is not growth, it is control. Although this is written to men, make no mistake- these ideas disproportionately would be applied to women. 'Stay at home daughters' are expected to serve their parents, retreat from education and professional ambitions, and graduate to the world of stay at home moms.

Contemplating membership in a church? You want to evaluate how far on the Quiverfull spectrum they are:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quiverfull#:~:text=Quiverfull%20is%20a%20theological%20position,natural%20family%20planning)%20and%20sterilization.
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Hasn't it been proven that men doing domestic chores like cleaning is a turn-on to women?

Seems to me it is advantageous for men to learn to do housework
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Gruvin said:

After a brief skimming, i agree with several of the reasons but author definitely should have left #6 out...

All of my kids were taught to maintain a house and a car including change oil and tires. All of my kids were also taught to keep house, do dishes and laundry.

All of my kids can easily function as an individual or as a team/family unit.
I hear you. #6 is a cultural difference for him. He is an Armenian American. I am somewhere in between on this spectrum as I still believe there is value in gender roles but am not hardline about it.
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CammoTX said:

Hasn't it been proven that men doing domestic chores like cleaning is a turn-on to women?

Seems to me it is advantageous for men to learn to do housework
I don't know. It probably depends on the woman and the culture they grew up in. I think a lot of women probably would like a little help around the house but if that becomes consistent, I suspect some would resent it at some level and see you as invading their turf and being less manly. In other words, they would start to lose some respect for you over time and would rather you focus on the man's duties.

It is an interesting thought to see how such household chores are divided up between the man and woman in each relationship.
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The goal in this ideology is not growth, it is control. Although this is written to men, make no mistake- these ideas disproportionately would be applied to women. 'Stay at home daughters' are expected to serve their parents, retreat from education and professional ambitions, and graduate to the world of stay at home moms.

Contemplating membership in a church? You want to evaluate how far on the Quiverfull spectrum they are:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quiverfull#:~:text=Quiverfull%20is%20a%20theological%20position,natural%20family%20planning)%20and%20sterilization.
The goal in the ideology is control of one's self and to avoid a sinful lifestyle. That is basic Christian teaching. It also puts an emphasis on the family and communal values over one's own selfish autonomy and independence. He lived that selfish lifestyle in the secular world and knows exactly what it offers and believes it was a mistake. He says he would have been better off staying at home which would filter out the bad women (women who do not value family, Christian values, etc.) and would have found a good woman to marry and raise a family. It is ok for other people to feel the same way.

Despite you painting a picture of oppression, it could well be that most men and women would be better off under such a model. In fact, the studies I remember suggest people are less happy now with all this so called freedom.
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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

Horrible idea. Why would a parent want to delay manhood? A boy become a man when he can take care of himself. The more he provides for the more manly he is. Parents that treat their offspring like they are handicapped and cant take care of themselves do more damage than harm. Raise you son to be a man and when he graduates from high school he should be ready for life. Parents delay manhood so they will maintain control over their child. Its not good for either of them in the long run. Young men should be able to take care of themselves. One of the problems in America (and other cultures too) is we have too many 20+ year old boys still sucking on the family teat and too much free time because they dont have to work. Mommy and daddy pay for their housing, their food, their transportation and their education. The boy child has too much time on his hands when he should be working.

My kids were grown at 18 and been on their own ever since. They all have great educations and live productive lives. They are raiding their children to be independent healthy young adults also.


Historically, this was how things were done and is still done in Italy and elsewhere. It is an illusion that someone takes care of himself/herself. We are all interconnected and receive help. And if the person is taking on a lot of sinning as part of living independently, the risks exceed the perceived rewards.

Your criticism of young men is somewhat misplaced. Young men don't have the same opportunities of past generations thanks to bad decisions made by those past generations.
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I would have killed my parents by the time I got married at 23 following this script. The Atlanta Child Murderer back in the 80's lived with his parent into this 30's so instead of his parents being killed young black men died in their place.
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BaylorFTW said:

Here, is an article from a guy making the case that they should:

8 Reasons Men Should Live With Their Parents Until Marriage

Modern culture would have you believe that a man should move out of his parents' house around 18 to mature and learn how to live on his own, but doing so will actually keep him in an immature state while teaching him how to live with the aid of alcohol, drugs, consumer products, pornography, and other degenerate entertainments. Therefore, it may be better for men, especially those who put their faith in Christ, to move out of the family home only upon marriage or to serve the Lord more intensely.

I fell for the "move out of the house" meme when I was 21 years old. Within a short time, I had sex for the first time and was throwing huge parties where I would get intoxicated and hope that I would have more sex. I was also able to masturbate more frequently since I didn't have to worry about my mother in the next room. In the meanwhile, I learned how to do the laundry, which is something any 10-year-old can master, but did not learn how to cook for many years since my disposable income was high enough that I could eat out regularly at Chipotle or buy semi-prepared foods that contained all manner of estrogenic ingredients.

The second home I lived in as an adult was closer to the Washington D.C. nightlife, so it would often be the meeting point for my friends before going out for nights on the town. I purchased dozens of various liquors and constructed a full-service bar, and I'd regularly bring girls back for fornication. The cost of these activities would eat up about half of my disposable income, but I considered myself a maturing man who was learning important things about being independent, when in reality the opposite was occurring. I was developing severe vices, cementing habits that offered no aid to my soul, and was becoming dependent on various corporations to feed me and provide me drink. Living on my own was not making me more matureit was instead providing a more frictionless opportunity for me to sin at the cost of giving up my hard-earned money to various businesses while spending less time with my family.

Once I moved to Europe, and no longer had any roommates, I developed the habit of talking to myself while alone, along with peculiar ways of eating and working. In other words, living alone was making me weird, and any woman I met would have had to accept that weirdness if she wanted a relationship with me.

If you don't have faith in God, living alone seems great because it maximizes the amount of pleasure you can receive, but if you're Christian, those pleasures will separate you from God. Even though I'm 41 years old, I currently live with my mother, and I've considered living with her indefinitely because it allows me to work on my weirdness for the sake of a family bond. I do not participate in any activities that I need to conceal from her, and as long as she doesn't make noise while I live stream, she doesn't bother me much, but alas, her apartment is too small.

Unless your parents are obstructing your faith or insist on infantilizing you (i.e., you have a Mediterranean or Middle Eastern mom), I would be hesitant to move out of the house, even if you're up there in age. Here are eight reasons why you should potentially live with your parents until getting married

1. You'll have less opportunity to sin
When it comes to fornication, compare the logistics of living with your parents in the suburbs to living in the city within walking distance of the nightlife. The latter situation will give a man the potential to score a ton more sex, all to his personal and spiritual detriment. When living at home, you will drink less, masturbate less, be in more control of your anger, and be less likely to develop the vice of greed thanks to a communal living situation. It's harder to sin when other people you love are nearby.

2. You'll learn about family life
As a child, we subconsciously absorb a template of family, and that can sometimes lead to bad results if our family often experienced strife, but as an adult, you can be more conscious of examining the positive and negative traits of your parents and how they impact the tranquility of family life. Your parents don't have to be perfect for you to learn from them; if your father has a bad temper and an alcohol problem, you know that that is something you have to watch out for in your own family. If your mother takes care of all the cooking and cleaning, and you notice that it helps your father with his duties, then you can look for that trait in a wife. You will be able to construct a list of strengths and weaknesses of both your parents and use that for your own version 2.0 family. This is harder to do if you leave the home early before you had time to think of family life.

3. You won't become excessively selfish
When you move out of the house as an immature adult, the focus is on me, me, me. Everything is done for your own pleasure, gain, and satisfaction. The world revolves around you and the only sacrifice you have to make is for your manager at work to keep your job. In other words, you learn how to master selfishness. You develop the belief that people must perfectly serve you just like how your little apartment serves your needs and genitals. This is impossible to do when living with your parents. They have quirks and habits which conflict with yours, and they'll repeatedly encroach on your privacy, making it hard to conceal secrets. You must therefore sacrifice and givein the form of your patience and lovefor their sake. In the end, if you can't figure out how to live with your parents, as flawed as they are, you may falter when living with a spouse.

4. You won't waste money on rent
People who pay rent to live on their own are flushing money down the toilet. Nothing is built, preserved, or saved through rent payments to a landlord. If you calculate the money you've spent on rent in your lifetime, that would have made a sizable down payment on a family home, but no, you had to pay rent because you wanted to party and get laid.

5. You won't develop weird habits that could turn off a reasonable spouse
It's almost impossible to become weird while living at home unless you lock yourself in your bedroom all day. Any odd habit will be immediately checked by your parents or siblings, but once you live alone for a while, you will become officially weird in no time.

6. You won't waste hundreds of hours performing feminine duties
Nothing was added to my being by cleaning the apartment, doing a thousand loads of laundry, or washing the dishes. These duties didn't make me more independent or masculine, and if they make me seem more attractive to a woman, it's because that woman doesn't want to do the house duties ascribed to her sex.
7. You will participate in church life with your family
No one moves alone to the city to attend church more frequently, but when you live with your family, not only are you more likely to go to church, but you will do so as a family unit.

8. You will be instantly unattractive to worldly (i.e. bad) women
Women who have made a god out of themselves by living a worldly life hate men who live at home. They're losers! They're momma's boys! They don't know how to clean like a 'real' man! You don't want these women as wives. A Christian woman knows of the many traps and snares the devil has set up, and would value the man who is closer to his family because she desires a husband who will value the family that they can one day create. The best screening method you can use on potential female prospects is to tell them you're a devout Christian who lives at home (and voted for Donald Trump). If she's also a devout Christian, she will understand, because she's living at home, too. She will not want to sin with you, and knows that such a living situation makes it difficult to accidentally fornicate.

Conclusion
Ultimately, living alone is an unnatural state that is most fit for the holy hermits, for even the monks live within a community. It's best to either you live with family (parents) or you live with family (wife and children).
What have I really learned by living alone for over fifteen years? I learned how to trim my body hair so I could be more attractive to women, how to have conversations with myself, and how to gently kick women I didn't love out of my place, all things that were not spiritually beneficial and which I don't do today.

Satan would love for you to live alone. He will have infinitely more opportunities to tempt you, and unless you are with Christ, you will succumb to those temptations like most people who live in the city. Many businesses and corporations profit when you live alone as you depend more on them than your family, but by living in such a way, ask yourself what profit there will be to your soul.

Article: https://www.rooshv.com/8-reasons-men-should-live-with-their-parents-until-marriage
These are the best reasons for never growing up I've ever read. I knew a kid from high school who was a concert pianist, but his parents made him practice practice practice so when he got to college he became a hedonist after missing out on a normal childhood.
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Some people just put off marrying until later. To the OP or any others, looking back would you have wanted to live with your parents until you were 30 or 40? If you don't say no, you are either a liar or a deadbeat. And I as a parent would not want them living with me. As we age, we desire some time together, at least for the time we have left. We have our own problems to deal with.
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wuzzybear said:

BaylorFTW said:

Here, is an article from a guy making the case that they should:

8 Reasons Men Should Live With Their Parents Until Marriage

Modern culture would have you believe that a man should move out of his parents' house around 18 to mature and learn how to live on his own, but doing so will actually keep him in an immature state while teaching him how to live with the aid of alcohol, drugs, consumer products, pornography, and other degenerate entertainments. Therefore, it may be better for men, especially those who put their faith in Christ, to move out of the family home only upon marriage or to serve the Lord more intensely.

I fell for the "move out of the house" meme when I was 21 years old. Within a short time, I had sex for the first time and was throwing huge parties where I would get intoxicated and hope that I would have more sex. I was also able to masturbate more frequently since I didn't have to worry about my mother in the next room. In the meanwhile, I learned how to do the laundry, which is something any 10-year-old can master, but did not learn how to cook for many years since my disposable income was high enough that I could eat out regularly at Chipotle or buy semi-prepared foods that contained all manner of estrogenic ingredients.

The second home I lived in as an adult was closer to the Washington D.C. nightlife, so it would often be the meeting point for my friends before going out for nights on the town. I purchased dozens of various liquors and constructed a full-service bar, and I'd regularly bring girls back for fornication. The cost of these activities would eat up about half of my disposable income, but I considered myself a maturing man who was learning important things about being independent, when in reality the opposite was occurring. I was developing severe vices, cementing habits that offered no aid to my soul, and was becoming dependent on various corporations to feed me and provide me drink. Living on my own was not making me more matureit was instead providing a more frictionless opportunity for me to sin at the cost of giving up my hard-earned money to various businesses while spending less time with my family.

Once I moved to Europe, and no longer had any roommates, I developed the habit of talking to myself while alone, along with peculiar ways of eating and working. In other words, living alone was making me weird, and any woman I met would have had to accept that weirdness if she wanted a relationship with me.

If you don't have faith in God, living alone seems great because it maximizes the amount of pleasure you can receive, but if you're Christian, those pleasures will separate you from God. Even though I'm 41 years old, I currently live with my mother, and I've considered living with her indefinitely because it allows me to work on my weirdness for the sake of a family bond. I do not participate in any activities that I need to conceal from her, and as long as she doesn't make noise while I live stream, she doesn't bother me much, but alas, her apartment is too small.

Unless your parents are obstructing your faith or insist on infantilizing you (i.e., you have a Mediterranean or Middle Eastern mom), I would be hesitant to move out of the house, even if you're up there in age. Here are eight reasons why you should potentially live with your parents until getting married

1. You'll have less opportunity to sin
When it comes to fornication, compare the logistics of living with your parents in the suburbs to living in the city within walking distance of the nightlife. The latter situation will give a man the potential to score a ton more sex, all to his personal and spiritual detriment. When living at home, you will drink less, masturbate less, be in more control of your anger, and be less likely to develop the vice of greed thanks to a communal living situation. It's harder to sin when other people you love are nearby.

2. You'll learn about family life
As a child, we subconsciously absorb a template of family, and that can sometimes lead to bad results if our family often experienced strife, but as an adult, you can be more conscious of examining the positive and negative traits of your parents and how they impact the tranquility of family life. Your parents don't have to be perfect for you to learn from them; if your father has a bad temper and an alcohol problem, you know that that is something you have to watch out for in your own family. If your mother takes care of all the cooking and cleaning, and you notice that it helps your father with his duties, then you can look for that trait in a wife. You will be able to construct a list of strengths and weaknesses of both your parents and use that for your own version 2.0 family. This is harder to do if you leave the home early before you had time to think of family life.

3. You won't become excessively selfish
When you move out of the house as an immature adult, the focus is on me, me, me. Everything is done for your own pleasure, gain, and satisfaction. The world revolves around you and the only sacrifice you have to make is for your manager at work to keep your job. In other words, you learn how to master selfishness. You develop the belief that people must perfectly serve you just like how your little apartment serves your needs and genitals. This is impossible to do when living with your parents. They have quirks and habits which conflict with yours, and they'll repeatedly encroach on your privacy, making it hard to conceal secrets. You must therefore sacrifice and givein the form of your patience and lovefor their sake. In the end, if you can't figure out how to live with your parents, as flawed as they are, you may falter when living with a spouse.

4. You won't waste money on rent
People who pay rent to live on their own are flushing money down the toilet. Nothing is built, preserved, or saved through rent payments to a landlord. If you calculate the money you've spent on rent in your lifetime, that would have made a sizable down payment on a family home, but no, you had to pay rent because you wanted to party and get laid.

5. You won't develop weird habits that could turn off a reasonable spouse
It's almost impossible to become weird while living at home unless you lock yourself in your bedroom all day. Any odd habit will be immediately checked by your parents or siblings, but once you live alone for a while, you will become officially weird in no time.

6. You won't waste hundreds of hours performing feminine duties
Nothing was added to my being by cleaning the apartment, doing a thousand loads of laundry, or washing the dishes. These duties didn't make me more independent or masculine, and if they make me seem more attractive to a woman, it's because that woman doesn't want to do the house duties ascribed to her sex.
7. You will participate in church life with your family
No one moves alone to the city to attend church more frequently, but when you live with your family, not only are you more likely to go to church, but you will do so as a family unit.

8. You will be instantly unattractive to worldly (i.e. bad) women
Women who have made a god out of themselves by living a worldly life hate men who live at home. They're losers! They're momma's boys! They don't know how to clean like a 'real' man! You don't want these women as wives. A Christian woman knows of the many traps and snares the devil has set up, and would value the man who is closer to his family because she desires a husband who will value the family that they can one day create. The best screening method you can use on potential female prospects is to tell them you're a devout Christian who lives at home (and voted for Donald Trump). If she's also a devout Christian, she will understand, because she's living at home, too. She will not want to sin with you, and knows that such a living situation makes it difficult to accidentally fornicate.

Conclusion
Ultimately, living alone is an unnatural state that is most fit for the holy hermits, for even the monks live within a community. It's best to either you live with family (parents) or you live with family (wife and children).
What have I really learned by living alone for over fifteen years? I learned how to trim my body hair so I could be more attractive to women, how to have conversations with myself, and how to gently kick women I didn't love out of my place, all things that were not spiritually beneficial and which I don't do today.

Satan would love for you to live alone. He will have infinitely more opportunities to tempt you, and unless you are with Christ, you will succumb to those temptations like most people who live in the city. Many businesses and corporations profit when you live alone as you depend more on them than your family, but by living in such a way, ask yourself what profit there will be to your soul.

Article: https://www.rooshv.com/8-reasons-men-should-live-with-their-parents-until-marriage
These are the best reasons for never growing up I've ever read. I knew a kid from high school who was a concert pianist, but his parents made him practice practice practice so when he got to college he became a hedonist after missing out on a normal childhood.
Define growing up? Why can't you grow up with your wife in marriage? Why must you grow up on your own away from your family?
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blackie said:

Some people just put off marrying until later. To the OP or any others, looking back would you have wanted to live with your parents until you were 30 or 40? If you don't say no, you are either a liar or a deadbeat. And I as a parent would not want them living with me. As we age, we desire some time together, at least for the time we have left. We have our own problems to deal with.
There is a lot more gray than you want to let on to here. I believe you are talking from your generational perspective and ignoring the perspective of young people which is different reality than what you experienced. And if people were expected to live with their parents until married, it would probably encourage more folks to get married sooner rather than putting it off.
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This is a terrible idea. We have an epidemic of young people that refuse to grow up. This would just coddle them for longer.
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When you're 18 you're out the door.
Your ideas are intriguing to me, and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter.
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BearTruth13 said:

This is a terrible idea. We have an epidemic of young people that refuse to grow up. This would just coddle them for longer.
By and large, young people reflect the morals and values of their parents.
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BaylorFTW said:

Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

Horrible idea. Why would a parent want to delay manhood? A boy become a man when he can take care of himself. The more he provides for the more manly he is. Parents that treat their offspring like they are handicapped and cant take care of themselves do more damage than harm. Raise you son to be a man and when he graduates from high school he should be ready for life. Parents delay manhood so they will maintain control over their child. Its not good for either of them in the long run. Young men should be able to take care of themselves. One of the problems in America (and other cultures too) is we have too many 20+ year old boys still sucking on the family teat and too much free time because they dont have to work. Mommy and daddy pay for their housing, their food, their transportation and their education. The boy child has too much time on his hands when he should be working.

My kids were grown at 18 and been on their own ever since. They all have great educations and live productive lives. They are raiding their children to be independent healthy young adults also.


Historically, this was how things were done and is still done in Italy and elsewhere. It is an illusion that someone takes care of himself/herself. We are all interconnected and receive help. And if the person is taking on a lot of sinning as part of living independently, the risks exceed the perceived rewards.

Your criticism of young men is somewhat misplaced. Young men don't have the same opportunities of past generations thanks to bad decisions made by those past generations.
BS. I have taken care of myself since I was 15 and raised 3 kids. My dad never paid my insurance, my education or anything else past 16. My kids all left at 18 and worked their asses off to pay for their education. All three have degrees, great jobs and good marriages and great kids.

There are plenty f jobs out there. Young men that provide for themselves appreciate the value of an education. Working ****e jobs inspired me to finish college. Same with them. My way produces strong independent responsible adults. Your way produces 25 year old children that dont understand the importance of hard work and responsibilities.

As far as your favorite topic, I beat off much more at home. Once I left home I had the real thing. I'm sure its the same for most young men.
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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

BaylorFTW said:

Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

Horrible idea. Why would a parent want to delay manhood? A boy become a man when he can take care of himself. The more he provides for the more manly he is. Parents that treat their offspring like they are handicapped and cant take care of themselves do more damage than harm. Raise you son to be a man and when he graduates from high school he should be ready for life. Parents delay manhood so they will maintain control over their child. Its not good for either of them in the long run. Young men should be able to take care of themselves. One of the problems in America (and other cultures too) is we have too many 20+ year old boys still sucking on the family teat and too much free time because they dont have to work. Mommy and daddy pay for their housing, their food, their transportation and their education. The boy child has too much time on his hands when he should be working.

My kids were grown at 18 and been on their own ever since. They all have great educations and live productive lives. They are raiding their children to be independent healthy young adults also.


Historically, this was how things were done and is still done in Italy and elsewhere. It is an illusion that someone takes care of himself/herself. We are all interconnected and receive help. And if the person is taking on a lot of sinning as part of living independently, the risks exceed the perceived rewards.

Your criticism of young men is somewhat misplaced. Young men don't have the same opportunities of past generations thanks to bad decisions made by those past generations.
BS. I have taken care of myself since I was 15 and raised 3 kids. My dad never paid my insurance, my education or anything else past 16. My kids all left at 18 and worked their asses off to pay for their education. All three have degrees, great jobs and good marriages and great kids.

There are plenty f jobs out there. Young men that provide for themselves appreciate the value of an education. Working ****e jobs inspired me to finish college. Same with them. My way produces strong independent responsible adults. Your way produces 25 year old children that dont understand the importance of hard work and responsibilities.



Yes, we know your story as you repeat it many times here. However, I think you will find that other people's mileage varies. Also, Proverbs 13:22 says "a good man leaveth an inheritance to his children's children..."


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As far as your favorite topic, I beat off much more at home. Once I left home I had the real thing. I'm sure its the same for most young men.

I don't understand why you are celebrating sinning. If your way promotes sinning, it does not honor God and could use some correction.
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Im not celebrating. Your article brought it up. Again. You have some weird obsessions but thank God we have the freedom for you to google whatever you want.
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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

Im not celebrating. Your article brought it up. Again. You have some weird obsessions but thank God we have the freedom for you to google whatever you want.
Yes you are by trying to run down those who speak out against sin. In addition, you seem to be proud of your sinning. That is not the Christian way. Celebrating freedom to sin does not honor God.
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Help me help me. I cant find the sin of whacking off anywhere in my King James Bible. Maybe you can help me. I had a wet dream the other night that involved a hooker and a midget. Is it possible to sin while sleeping?

The Baptist have no official stand, Neither do the Methodist. The Catholics denounce it but that is based on church tradition, not the Bible.

I am not proud of shaking my willy. I am just honest and not ashamed about it.
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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

Help me help me. I cant find the sin of whacking off anywhere in my King James Bible. Maybe you can help me. I had a wet dream the other night that involved a hooker and a midget. Is it possible to sin while sleeping?

The Baptist have no official stand, Neither do the Methodist. The Catholics denounce it but that is based on church tradition, not the Bible.

I am not proud of shaking my willy. I am just honest and not ashamed about it.
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What woman in her right mind would marry a 20-something dude who thinks God has ordained that his mom mom should be his cook and maid until his wife takes over that unpaid job along with her other 'duties"
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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:



I am not proud of shaking my willy. I am just honest and not ashamed about it.


There are some things I really don't want to know about .....especially when I'm eating teriyaki chicken.
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OP seems to have a Peter Pan complex:

I won't grow up,
----I won't grow up
I don't want to wear a tie.
----I don't want to wear a tie
Or a serious expression
----Or a serious expression
In the middle of July.
----In the middle of July
And if it means I must prepare
To shoulder burdens with a worried air,
I'll never grow up, never grow up, never grow up
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Canada2017 said:

Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:



I am not proud of shaking my willy. I am just honest and not ashamed about it.


There are some things I really don't want to know about .....especially when I'm eating teriyaki chicken.
If you are squeamish about flogging the one eyed mule you should stay off FWB threads, He has a big problem with what others guys do with their equipment.
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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

Help me help me. I cant find the sin of whacking off anywhere in my King James Bible. Maybe you can help me. I had a wet dream the other night that involved a hooker and a midget. Is it possible to sin while sleeping?

The Baptist have no official stand, Neither do the Methodist. The Catholics denounce it but that is based on church tradition, not the Bible.

I am not proud of shaking my willy. I am just honest and not ashamed about it.
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If you don't look upon a woman in lust while you do it, you should be squared away. Unless you are gay, though, presumably that's a rare occurrence.

It's totally up to you to do the five knuckle shuffle or not. You do you....
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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

Canada2017 said:

Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:



I am not proud of shaking my willy. I am just honest and not ashamed about it.


There are some things I really don't want to know about .....especially when I'm eating teriyaki chicken.
If you are squeamish about flogging the one eyed mule you should stay off FWB threads, He has a big problem with what others guys do with their equipment.


Don't care to know what anybody is doing with their equipment.


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CammoTX said:

Hasn't it been proven that men doing domestic chores like cleaning is a turn-on to women?

Seems to me it is advantageous for men to learn to do housework
Housework, great reason to marry an x-G.I. Extensive G.I. Party training, making beds, windows, polishing floors, latrine queen, laundry, hospital corners, policing the area, follows orders, and dependable. Absolutely no future with a mommy boy. Forgot, and strong enough to rearrange furniture every other month.
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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

Canada2017 said:

Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:



I am not proud of shaking my willy. I am just honest and not ashamed about it.


There are some things I really don't want to know about .....especially when I'm eating teriyaki chicken.
If you are squeamish about flogging the one eyed mule you should stay off FWB threads, He has a big problem with what others guys do with their equipment.


4 years ago he was starting about 25 Trump threads a day during the election, so at least the volume is down.
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Wallace said:

What woman in her right mind would marry a 20-something dude who thinks God has ordained that his mom mom should be his cook and maid until his wife takes over that unpaid job along with her other 'duties"

Recipe for disaster. A mama's boy is a terrible husband. He should just stay an unmarried mama's boy.
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BaylorFTW said:

Here, is an article from a guy making the case that they should:

8 Reasons Men Should Live With Their Parents Until Marriage

Modern culture would have you believe that a man should move out of his parents' house around 18 to mature and learn how to live on his own, but doing so will actually keep him in an immature state while teaching him how to live with the aid of alcohol, drugs, consumer products, pornography, and other degenerate entertainments. Therefore, it may be better for men, especially those who put their faith in Christ, to move out of the family home only upon marriage or to serve the Lord more intensely.

I fell for the "move out of the house" meme when I was 21 years old. Within a short time, I had sex for the first time and was throwing huge parties where I would get intoxicated and hope that I would have more sex. I was also able to masturbate more frequently since I didn't have to worry about my mother in the next room. In the meanwhile, I learned how to do the laundry, which is something any 10-year-old can master, but did not learn how to cook for many years since my disposable income was high enough that I could eat out regularly at Chipotle or buy semi-prepared foods that contained all manner of estrogenic ingredients.

The second home I lived in as an adult was closer to the Washington D.C. nightlife, so it would often be the meeting point for my friends before going out for nights on the town. I purchased dozens of various liquors and constructed a full-service bar, and I'd regularly bring girls back for fornication. The cost of these activities would eat up about half of my disposable income, but I considered myself a maturing man who was learning important things about being independent, when in reality the opposite was occurring. I was developing severe vices, cementing habits that offered no aid to my soul, and was becoming dependent on various corporations to feed me and provide me drink. Living on my own was not making me more matureit was instead providing a more frictionless opportunity for me to sin at the cost of giving up my hard-earned money to various businesses while spending less time with my family.

Once I moved to Europe, and no longer had any roommates, I developed the habit of talking to myself while alone, along with peculiar ways of eating and working. In other words, living alone was making me weird, and any woman I met would have had to accept that weirdness if she wanted a relationship with me.

If you don't have faith in God, living alone seems great because it maximizes the amount of pleasure you can receive, but if you're Christian, those pleasures will separate you from God. Even though I'm 41 years old, I currently live with my mother, and I've considered living with her indefinitely because it allows me to work on my weirdness for the sake of a family bond. I do not participate in any activities that I need to conceal from her, and as long as she doesn't make noise while I live stream, she doesn't bother me much, but alas, her apartment is too small.

Unless your parents are obstructing your faith or insist on infantilizing you (i.e., you have a Mediterranean or Middle Eastern mom), I would be hesitant to move out of the house, even if you're up there in age. Here are eight reasons why you should potentially live with your parents until getting married

1. You'll have less opportunity to sin
When it comes to fornication, compare the logistics of living with your parents in the suburbs to living in the city within walking distance of the nightlife. The latter situation will give a man the potential to score a ton more sex, all to his personal and spiritual detriment. When living at home, you will drink less, masturbate less, be in more control of your anger, and be less likely to develop the vice of greed thanks to a communal living situation. It's harder to sin when other people you love are nearby.

2. You'll learn about family life
As a child, we subconsciously absorb a template of family, and that can sometimes lead to bad results if our family often experienced strife, but as an adult, you can be more conscious of examining the positive and negative traits of your parents and how they impact the tranquility of family life. Your parents don't have to be perfect for you to learn from them; if your father has a bad temper and an alcohol problem, you know that that is something you have to watch out for in your own family. If your mother takes care of all the cooking and cleaning, and you notice that it helps your father with his duties, then you can look for that trait in a wife. You will be able to construct a list of strengths and weaknesses of both your parents and use that for your own version 2.0 family. This is harder to do if you leave the home early before you had time to think of family life.

3. You won't become excessively selfish
When you move out of the house as an immature adult, the focus is on me, me, me. Everything is done for your own pleasure, gain, and satisfaction. The world revolves around you and the only sacrifice you have to make is for your manager at work to keep your job. In other words, you learn how to master selfishness. You develop the belief that people must perfectly serve you just like how your little apartment serves your needs and genitals. This is impossible to do when living with your parents. They have quirks and habits which conflict with yours, and they'll repeatedly encroach on your privacy, making it hard to conceal secrets. You must therefore sacrifice and givein the form of your patience and lovefor their sake. In the end, if you can't figure out how to live with your parents, as flawed as they are, you may falter when living with a spouse.

4. You won't waste money on rent
People who pay rent to live on their own are flushing money down the toilet. Nothing is built, preserved, or saved through rent payments to a landlord. If you calculate the money you've spent on rent in your lifetime, that would have made a sizable down payment on a family home, but no, you had to pay rent because you wanted to party and get laid.

5. You won't develop weird habits that could turn off a reasonable spouse
It's almost impossible to become weird while living at home unless you lock yourself in your bedroom all day. Any odd habit will be immediately checked by your parents or siblings, but once you live alone for a while, you will become officially weird in no time.

6. You won't waste hundreds of hours performing feminine duties
Nothing was added to my being by cleaning the apartment, doing a thousand loads of laundry, or washing the dishes. These duties didn't make me more independent or masculine, and if they make me seem more attractive to a woman, it's because that woman doesn't want to do the house duties ascribed to her sex.
7. You will participate in church life with your family
No one moves alone to the city to attend church more frequently, but when you live with your family, not only are you more likely to go to church, but you will do so as a family unit.

8. You will be instantly unattractive to worldly (i.e. bad) women
Women who have made a god out of themselves by living a worldly life hate men who live at home. They're losers! They're momma's boys! They don't know how to clean like a 'real' man! You don't want these women as wives. A Christian woman knows of the many traps and snares the devil has set up, and would value the man who is closer to his family because she desires a husband who will value the family that they can one day create. The best screening method you can use on potential female prospects is to tell them you're a devout Christian who lives at home (and voted for Donald Trump). If she's also a devout Christian, she will understand, because she's living at home, too. She will not want to sin with you, and knows that such a living situation makes it difficult to accidentally fornicate.

Conclusion
Ultimately, living alone is an unnatural state that is most fit for the holy hermits, for even the monks live within a community. It's best to either you live with family (parents) or you live with family (wife and children).
What have I really learned by living alone for over fifteen years? I learned how to trim my body hair so I could be more attractive to women, how to have conversations with myself, and how to gently kick women I didn't love out of my place, all things that were not spiritually beneficial and which I don't do today.

Satan would love for you to live alone. He will have infinitely more opportunities to tempt you, and unless you are with Christ, you will succumb to those temptations like most people who live in the city. Many businesses and corporations profit when you live alone as you depend more on them than your family, but by living in such a way, ask yourself what profit there will be to your soul.

Article: https://www.rooshv.com/8-reasons-men-should-live-with-their-parents-until-marriage
Poor Jesus.

I guess he should have stayed home with Mom!
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