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Stefano DiMera said:

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You have to do the Mom test. Ask yourself how would your mom answer.

My mom knows Tiger Woods..Tom Brady..Steph Curry..and Dak Prescott and Luka Doncic cause we live in Dallas. That's it..that's all the sports she knows.

She wouldn't know RG3 from the man in the moon..but is obsessed with Chip and Joanna.

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Now do dad…

Your mom knows Willie Nelson. Dad doesn't know chip and Jo.

Or if they both do, it's only because of your BU connection.

And my guess, in 20 years it will be an "oh yeah" type memory.

Not the case for a heisman winner. Every teen that plays football looks that up at some point.

I know Billy simms for the same reason. That will never go away.

Dunham is bigger than chip and Jo.

Though more people know the name "chip and jo" than the name "Angela Kinsey", more people know the character "Angela" from the office than know "fixer upper"

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Depends on how old your dad is. Most dads under 55 know who they are. They might not like it but they know who they are. Dunham is not in the same ballpark as these folks. Might not like it but that is reality.

Much depends on what is meant by tourist destination: a city or a specific venue. I have trouble believing the Silos, etc gets more people year in & year out (a one off year proves nothing) than the Alamo or River Walk but maybe it is possible. However, there is no way that the city of Waco gets more visitors than San Antonio, Austin, Dallas, & other Texas cities with lots of things to see.

San Antonio, especially, has the aforementioned Alamo & River Walk, along with 4 other missions, top notch museums, Sea World, Six Flags, plus much more.

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cowboycwr said:

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365 said:

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Stefano DiMera said:

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#1. Willie is not an alum

#2 People don't fly from bum *** Iowa to Waco to see RG3 statue. They come for Magnolia.

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Willie is an alum.

You don't have the graduate to be considered an alum.

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Yes you do. The very meaning of the word is graduate.

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Nope. This is a common misconception.

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An alumnus (masculine) or an alumna (feminine) of a college, university, or other school is a former student who has either attended or graduated in some fashion from the institution. The word is Latin and simply means "one who is being (or has been) nourished".

The plural is alumni for men and mixed groups and alumnae for women. The term is not synonymous with "graduate"; one can be an alumnus without graduating (Burt Reynolds, alumnus but not graduate of Florida State, is an example). The term is sometimes used to refer to a former employee or member of an organization, contributor, or inmate.

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That is what the modern meaning of the word is now. But the original (in Latin) was pupil or graduate.

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Much depends on what is meant by tourist destination: a city or a specific venue. I have trouble believing the Silos, etc gets more people year in & year out (a one off year proves nothing) than the Alamo or River Walk but maybe it is possible. However, there is no way that the city of Waco gets more visitors than San Antonio, Austin, Dallas, & other Texas cities with lots of things to see.

San Antonio, especially, has the aforementioned Alamo & River Walk, along with 4 other missions, top notch museums, Sea World, Six Flags, plus much more.

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If you are talking entire cities with ALL their tourist destinations then you are correct that Waco would not be number one. But if you are counting specific locations like the Silos or Alamo then Waco/silos are number one and have been since right at the end of 2017/ start of 2018.

I only posted that one link to show it started then and have since posted other links showing how many people they get a year with breakdowns of years, per week, total for special events, covid drops and post covid rises and yet people still want to argue against the numbers.

Seriously just google it people and see that the numbers for the Silos are more than the Alamo, which was the top tourist spot in Texas for years and years. Google the numbers from the Texas general land office (which runs the Alamo) and see their numbers are less and have been since 2017. It isn't a "one off" or because the Alamo was closed. It is an, almost, 5 year pattern

Did I miss the discussion on Mark Hurd? Current CEO of Oracle and former CEO of HP. In the business world, he's a pretty big deal.

He's wealthy & obviously very successful but not necessarily very famous for the average American or Texan.

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historian said:

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Much depends on what is meant by tourist destination: a city or a specific venue. I have trouble believing the Silos, etc gets more people year in & year out (a one off year proves nothing) than the Alamo or River Walk but maybe it is possible. However, there is no way that the city of Waco gets more visitors than San Antonio, Austin, Dallas, & other Texas cities with lots of things to see.

San Antonio, especially, has the aforementioned Alamo & River Walk, along with 4 other missions, top notch museums, Sea World, Six Flags, plus much more.

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If you are talking entire cities with ALL their tourist destinations then you are correct that Waco would not be number one. But if you are counting specific locations like the Silos or Alamo then Waco/silos are number one and have been since right at the end of 2017/ start of 2018.

I only posted that one link to show it started then and have since posted other links showing how many people they get a year with breakdowns of years, per week, total for special events, covid drops and post covid rises and yet people still want to argue against the numbers.

Seriously just google it people and see that the numbers for the Silos are more than the Alamo, which was the top tourist spot in Texas for years and years. Google the numbers from the Texas general land office (which runs the Alamo) and see their numbers are less and have been since 2017. It isn't a "one off" or because the Alamo was closed. It is an, almost, 5 year pattern

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You're just wrong, Chip.

Show that the freaking cheap furniture store in waco gets more paying visitors per year than NASA, or the Alamo, or Schliterbahn (pro rata) or hell, franklins BBQ...

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cowboycwr said:

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historian said:

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Much depends on what is meant by tourist destination: a city or a specific venue. I have trouble believing the Silos, etc gets more people year in & year out (a one off year proves nothing) than the Alamo or River Walk but maybe it is possible. However, there is no way that the city of Waco gets more visitors than San Antonio, Austin, Dallas, & other Texas cities with lots of things to see.

San Antonio, especially, has the aforementioned Alamo & River Walk, along with 4 other missions, top notch museums, Sea World, Six Flags, plus much more.

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If you are talking entire cities with ALL their tourist destinations then you are correct that Waco would not be number one. But if you are counting specific locations like the Silos or Alamo then Waco/silos are number one and have been since right at the end of 2017/ start of 2018.

I only posted that one link to show it started then and have since posted other links showing how many people they get a year with breakdowns of years, per week, total for special events, covid drops and post covid rises and yet people still want to argue against the numbers.

Seriously just google it people and see that the numbers for the Silos are more than the Alamo, which was the top tourist spot in Texas for years and years. Google the numbers from the Texas general land office (which runs the Alamo) and see their numbers are less and have been since 2017. It isn't a "one off" or because the Alamo was closed. It is an, almost, 5 year pattern

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You're just wrong, Chip.

Show that the freaking cheap furniture store in waco gets more paying visitors per year than NASA, or the Alamo, or Schliterbahn (pro rata) or hell, franklins BBQ...

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Never been?

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swart dra mislei jou said:

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cowboycwr said:

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historian said:

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Much depends on what is meant by tourist destination: a city or a specific venue. I have trouble believing the Silos, etc gets more people year in & year out (a one off year proves nothing) than the Alamo or River Walk but maybe it is possible. However, there is no way that the city of Waco gets more visitors than San Antonio, Austin, Dallas, & other Texas cities with lots of things to see.

San Antonio, especially, has the aforementioned Alamo & River Walk, along with 4 other missions, top notch museums, Sea World, Six Flags, plus much more.

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If you are talking entire cities with ALL their tourist destinations then you are correct that Waco would not be number one. But if you are counting specific locations like the Silos or Alamo then Waco/silos are number one and have been since right at the end of 2017/ start of 2018.

I only posted that one link to show it started then and have since posted other links showing how many people they get a year with breakdowns of years, per week, total for special events, covid drops and post covid rises and yet people still want to argue against the numbers.

Seriously just google it people and see that the numbers for the Silos are more than the Alamo, which was the top tourist spot in Texas for years and years. Google the numbers from the Texas general land office (which runs the Alamo) and see their numbers are less and have been since 2017. It isn't a "one off" or because the Alamo was closed. It is an, almost, 5 year pattern

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You're just wrong, Chip.

Show that the freaking cheap furniture store in waco gets more paying visitors per year than NASA, or the Alamo, or Schliterbahn (pro rata) or hell, franklins BBQ...

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Never been?

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Wasn't talking about prices, but no, I haven't been, just talked to women that have, and were disappointed.

https://www.cheatsheet.com/entertainment/how-much-have-chip-and-joanna-gaines-boosted-wacos-economy.html/

2018 1.6 million visitors a year. Right before COVID it was a bit over 2 million visitors per year. And that was before their channel. By far, today, they are the most recognized and famous Baylor alums.

hahaha...

nasa draws 1Million a month....25 million a year if you include all their museums and stuff combined....

dont know how much of that is the Houston museum, but it is by far the largest of them.

https://www.eclipseaviation.com/how-many-people-visit-nasa-yearly/#1


2.5 Million visit the Alamo, and 3 Million visit the Riverwalk in April alone.

https://theculturetrip.com/north-america/usa/texas/articles/10-unique-facts-about-san-antonio-you-didnt-know/




Thats about 3 minutes worth of research....the conversation about the silos being the most visited attraction in Texas is over.

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hahaha...

nasa draws 1Million a month....25 million a year if you include all their museums and stuff combined....

dont know how much of that is the Houston museum, but it is by far the largest of them.

https://www.eclipseaviation.com/how-many-people-visit-nasa-yearly/#1

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Space Center Houston gets 1.1 million visitors a year.

The Silos and Chip and Jo still pull in an impressive number of people to Waco, have their own TV channel, Target line, etc. And have scrubbed away of a lot of negative history that used to come to people's minds when mentioning Waco or Baylor.

Better Waco be known for positive Baylor alums than cultists and multiple scandals.

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swart dra mislei jou said:

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hahaha...

nasa draws 1Million a month....25 million a year if you include all their museums and stuff combined....

dont know how much of that is the Houston museum, but it is by far the largest of them.

https://www.eclipseaviation.com/how-many-people-visit-nasa-yearly/#1

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Space Center Houston gets 1.1 million visitors a year.

The Silos and Chip and Jo still pull in an impressive number of people to Waco, have their own TV channel, Target line, etc. And have scrubbed away of a lot of negative history that used to come to people's minds when mentioning Waco or Baylor. Better Waco be known for positive Baylor alums than cultists and multiple scandals.

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All you said is true, have nothing against em, and glad they happened to waco, but facts are still facts. And the Alamo will long be remembered post chip and Jo.

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Chip and Jo are easily more recognizable nationwide than RG3. It's not close and those that say differently must not travel much in the US.

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Mike Singletary is better known than RG3.

Didn't see Garth Brooks OSU

Can't believe this thread still going.

The goalposts have moved so much in this thread that were now comparing Chip and Jo to NASA and historic Spanish missions from the 1800s.

Stefano DiMera said:

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Can't believe this thread still going.

The goalposts have moved so much in this thread that were now comparing Chip and Jo to NASA and historic Spanish missions from the 1800s.

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Don't underestimate the impact of a distressed white pine four post bed in a Formal Country motif.

Stefano DiMera said:

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Can't believe this thread still going.

The goalposts have moved so much in this thread that were now comparing Chip and Jo to NASA and historic Spanish missions from the 1800s.

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I do like my #Demoday magnet on the fridge. What does NASA offer? Freeze dried ice cream? No thanks.

Stefano DiMera said:

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Can't believe this thread still going.

The goalposts have moved so much in this thread that were now comparing Chip and Jo to NASA and historic Spanish missions from the 1800s.

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When you know it's the off-season...

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cowboycwr said:

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Much depends on what is meant by tourist destination: a city or a specific venue. I have trouble believing the Silos, etc gets more people year in & year out (a one off year proves nothing) than the Alamo or River Walk but maybe it is possible. However, there is no way that the city of Waco gets more visitors than San Antonio, Austin, Dallas, & other Texas cities with lots of things to see.

San Antonio, especially, has the aforementioned Alamo & River Walk, along with 4 other missions, top notch museums, Sea World, Six Flags, plus much more.

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If you are talking entire cities with ALL their tourist destinations then you are correct that Waco would not be number one. But if you are counting specific locations like the Silos or Alamo then Waco/silos are number one and have been since right at the end of 2017/ start of 2018.

I only posted that one link to show it started then and have since posted other links showing how many people they get a year with breakdowns of years, per week, total for special events, covid drops and post covid rises and yet people still want to argue against the numbers.

Seriously just google it people and see that the numbers for the Silos are more than the Alamo, which was the top tourist spot in Texas for years and years. Google the numbers from the Texas general land office (which runs the Alamo) and see their numbers are less and have been since 2017. It isn't a "one off" or because the Alamo was closed. It is an, almost, 5 year pattern

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You're just wrong, Chip.

Show that the freaking cheap furniture store in waco gets more paying visitors per year than NASA, or the Alamo, or Schliterbahn (pro rata) or hell, franklins BBQ...

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I have provided several links but people keep not believing them, saying it was a on time thing (even though it has been for multiple years) and refusing to believe the numbers.

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hahaha...

nasa draws 1Million a month....25 million a year if you include all their museums and stuff combined....

dont know how much of that is the Houston museum, but it is by far the largest of them.

https://www.eclipseaviation.com/how-many-people-visit-nasa-yearly/#1


2.5 Million visit the Alamo, and 3 Million visit the Riverwalk in April alone.

https://theculturetrip.com/north-america/usa/texas/articles/10-unique-facts-about-san-antonio-you-didnt-know/




Thats about 3 minutes worth of research....the conversation about the silos being the most visited attraction in Texas is over.

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Lol do you even read the links? It gets 1million tourists a year.

The 25 million number is total people in all locations. Not just tourists.
The Alamo number is wrong. Look up the official number from the state.

https://www.texasmonthly.com/travel/alamo-still-siege/amp/

So yeah the silos still get more visitors.

Or I guess you think this link is lying?

https://www.bizjournals.com/dallas/news/2019/07/03/chip-and-joanna-gaines-the-alamo.html

https://www.dallasnews.com/business/retail/2017/11/20/waco-s-magnolia-market-at-the-silos-is-now-more-popular-with-tourists-than-the-alamo/?outputType=amp

https://www.thetravelpockets.com/new-blog/the-complete-guide-to-magnolia-market-at-the-silos-in-waco-texas-2022?format=amp

So yeah tell all these major organizations they are wrong.

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swart dra mislei jou said:

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hahaha...

nasa draws 1Million a month....25 million a year if you include all their museums and stuff combined....

dont know how much of that is the Houston museum, but it is by far the largest of them.

https://www.eclipseaviation.com/how-many-people-visit-nasa-yearly/#1

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Space Center Houston gets 1.1 million visitors a year.

The Silos and Chip and Jo still pull in an impressive number of people to Waco, have their own TV channel, Target line, etc. And have scrubbed away of a lot of negative history that used to come to people's minds when mentioning Waco or Baylor. Better Waco be known for positive Baylor alums than cultists and multiple scandals.

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All you said is true, have nothing against em, and glad they happened to waco, but facts are still facts. And the Alamo will long be remembered post chip and Jo.

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Facts are still facts that they currently outdraw the Alamo.

You are correct it will outlast them… unless it becomes the next liberal target now that confederate statues are gone.

cowboycwr said:

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swart dra mislei jou said:

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Bear8084 said:

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swart dra mislei jou said:

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hahaha...

nasa draws 1Million a month....25 million a year if you include all their museums and stuff combined....

dont know how much of that is the Houston museum, but it is by far the largest of them.

https://www.eclipseaviation.com/how-many-people-visit-nasa-yearly/#1

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Space Center Houston gets 1.1 million visitors a year.

The Silos and Chip and Jo still pull in an impressive number of people to Waco, have their own TV channel, Target line, etc. And have scrubbed away of a lot of negative history that used to come to people's minds when mentioning Waco or Baylor. Better Waco be known for positive Baylor alums than cultists and multiple scandals.

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All you said is true, have nothing against em, and glad they happened to waco, but facts are still facts. And the Alamo will long be remembered post chip and Jo.

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Facts are still facts that they currently outdraw the Alamo.

You are correct it will outlast them… unless it becomes the next liberal target now that confederate statues are gone.

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You think the other link about the Alamo is lying…

Don't care.

Congrats on your life of subpar retail furniture touristry

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#1. Willie is not an alum
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By definition obtained by googling it, " a graduate or former student, especially a male one, of a particular school, college, or university."

Willie Nelson, a former student, is an alum.

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If this is famous as in "the most people know who the person is," I'd wager an overwhelming majority of Americans have no idea who DKR is. Most sports fans outside the Big 12 underneath the age of 40 have probably never even heard of him.

Ed Harris is an OU alum and is probably 10x more famous nationally than DKR is.

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Who is Ed Harris?

An actor who starred in lots of well known movies including the Right Stuff, Apollo 13, Top Gun: Maverick, Gravity, The Way Back, A Beautiful Mind, Enemy at the Gates, & many others.

https://m.imdb.com/name/nm0000438/?ref_=fn_al_nm_0

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Did I miss the discussion on Mark Hurd? Current CEO of Oracle and former CEO of HP. In the business world, he's a pretty big deal.

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You should know that he is dead. Thankfully his UT grad wife has continued the family's support for Baylor including the new welcome center and basketball arena (floor named after them).

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No willie?

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I'm sure you mean Willie Nelson so here goes:

1. he never finished at BU
2. He is not that famous with people under about 50
3. He is barely known by people under about 30
4. Most people probably have no idea he attended Baylor.
5. Chip and Jo make it known they attended Baylor, give money back and are extremely well known RIGHT now by people across all walks of life.

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"5. Chip and Jo make it known they attended Baylor, give money back and are extremely well known RIGHT now by people across all walks of life."

Close, bit not entirely correct. You have no idea what amounts (if anything) of money they give to Baylor.

They are pretty shrewd business people now. They didn't teach their heights of success/wealth, without learning and getting really good at "business". My educated guess for a while now has been (after interacting on two business matters in the past) that almost every perceived Baylor benefit/privilege you see them with on TV is "Comp'ed" to them by Baylor in return for their "make it known they attended Baylor" commitment. And, again because of their celebrity status, a lot of what you perceive is probably also given to them by paying-alumni who are (or seek to be) in their circle. But, of course, I could be wrong and they pay (or give) for everything just like you and me. But I bet I'm not wrong.

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You also have no idea just how shrewd they are at business. They didn't teach their heights of success/wealth, without learning and getting really good at "business". My educated guess for a while now has been (after personally working with them on some things) that almost every perceived Baylor benefit/privilege you see them with on TV is "Comp'ed" to them by Baylor in return for their "make it known they attended Baylor" commitment. And, again because of their celebrity status, a lot of what you perceive is probably also given to them by paying-alumni who are (or seek to be) in their circle. But, of course, I could be wrong and they pay (or give) for everything just like you and me. But I bet I'm not wrong.

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They are without a doubt the best Ambassadors for BU even if they never give a cent. Chip isn't at the games trying to be an Ambassador. He is a gigantic fan.

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You also have no idea just how shrewd they are at business. They didn't teach their heights of success/wealth, without learning and getting really good at "business". My educated guess for a while now has been (after personally working with them on some things) that almost every perceived Baylor benefit/privilege you see them with on TV is "Comp'ed" to them by Baylor in return for their "make it known they attended Baylor" commitment. And, again because of their celebrity status, a lot of what you perceive is probably also given to them by paying-alumni who are (or seek to be) in their circle. But, of course, I could be wrong and they pay (or give) for everything just like you and me. But I bet I'm not wrong.

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They are without a doubt the best Ambassadors for BU even if they never give a cent. Chip isn't at the games trying to be an Ambassador. He is a gigantic fan.

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Agreed - without a doubt gigantic BU fans.

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cowboycwr said:

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No willie?

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I'm sure you mean Willie Nelson so here goes:

1. he never finished at BU
2. He is not that famous with people under about 50
3. He is barely known by people under about 30
4. Most people probably have no idea he attended Baylor.
5. Chip and Jo make it known they attended Baylor, give money back and are extremely well known RIGHT now by people across all walks of life.

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"5. Chip and Jo make it known they attended Baylor, give money back and are extremely well known RIGHT now by people across all walks of life."

Close, bit not entirely correct. You have no idea what amounts (if anything) of money they give to Baylor.

They are pretty shrewd business people now. They didn't teach their heights of success/wealth, without learning and getting really good at "business". My educated guess for a while now has been (after interacting on two business matters in the past) that almost every perceived Baylor benefit/privilege you see them with on TV is "Comp'ed" to them by Baylor in return for their "make it known they attended Baylor" commitment. And, again because of their celebrity status, a lot of what you perceive is probably also given to them by paying-alumni who are (or seek to be) in their circle. But, of course, I could be wrong and they pay (or give) for everything just like you and me. But I bet I'm not wrong.

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Even if Chip & Joanna don't give a single penny to Baylor (doubtful), just lending their names & faces to promote the school is a huge boost. They are famous & popular & lots of people associate their success with Baylor.

We know they do provide funds because they attend lots of games, both football & basketball. There is no reason to assume they don't pay for it. They have a suite at McLane. Those are a lot more expensive than regular seats. Heck, Chip even went to Ames for a MBB game & was featured in the broadcast for making a bucket from half court. And they were in Indianapolis to watch the Bears win the natty. They are often featured in the broadcasts of Baylor games. It's a positive thing for Baylor sports.

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cowboycwr said:

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swart dra mislei jou said:

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swart dra mislei jou said:

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hahaha...

nasa draws 1Million a month....25 million a year if you include all their museums and stuff combined....

dont know how much of that is the Houston museum, but it is by far the largest of them.

https://www.eclipseaviation.com/how-many-people-visit-nasa-yearly/#1

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Space Center Houston gets 1.1 million visitors a year.

The Silos and Chip and Jo still pull in an impressive number of people to Waco, have their own TV channel, Target line, etc. And have scrubbed away of a lot of negative history that used to come to people's minds when mentioning Waco or Baylor. Better Waco be known for positive Baylor alums than cultists and multiple scandals.

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All you said is true, have nothing against em, and glad they happened to waco, but facts are still facts. And the Alamo will long be remembered post chip and Jo.

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Facts are still facts that they currently outdraw the Alamo.

You are correct it will outlast them… unless it becomes the next liberal target now that confederate statues are gone.

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You think the other link about the Alamo is lying…

Don't care.

Congrats on your life of subpar retail furniture touristry

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I have provided plenty of sources that show it is. Including from the organization that controls and runs the place.

But keep believing your fantasy land that ignores facts and reality.

SonOfZuno said:

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cowboycwr said:

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No willie?

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I'm sure you mean Willie Nelson so here goes:

1. he never finished at BU
2. He is not that famous with people under about 50
3. He is barely known by people under about 30
4. Most people probably have no idea he attended Baylor.
5. Chip and Jo make it known they attended Baylor, give money back and are extremely well known RIGHT now by people across all walks of life.

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"5. Chip and Jo make it known they attended Baylor, give money back and are extremely well known RIGHT now by people across all walks of life."

Close, bit not entirely correct. You have no idea what amounts (if anything) of money they give to Baylor.

They are pretty shrewd business people now. They didn't teach their heights of success/wealth, without learning and getting really good at "business". My educated guess for a while now has been (after interacting on two business matters in the past) that almost every perceived Baylor benefit/privilege you see them with on TV is "Comp'ed" to them by Baylor in return for their "make it known they attended Baylor" commitment. And, again because of their celebrity status, a lot of what you perceive is probably also given to them by paying-alumni who are (or seek to be) in their circle. But, of course, I could be wrong and they pay (or give) for everything just like you and me. But I bet I'm not wrong.

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I'm sure that Baylor does get them to push the name for free.

Heck baylor gave tuition to a set of twins to come to school here and put it all over their Instagram because they were famous Instagram people.

Anyone remember the Hansen (Hanson) quads who came here?