For what it's worth.........

Arizona could be announced next week. The hold up? Arizona State is supposedly trying to prevent it from happening. Why? No idea.

Big 12 wants no part of Utah.

Oregon and Washington are a possibility. But only on our terms......not theirs.

I am hearing the current members of the Big 12 are getting along better than ever now that the cows and mobilehoma are gone.

Thanks! Could ASU trying to stop it maybe mean they are not part of the deal or just trying to keep the conference together? Earlier this week there were reports we would take one more school but there are also reports we would try to expand more.

I would be perfectly fine just adding Zona and not Utah or ASU.

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— CFB Home (@CFBHome) August 3, 2023

The guy that reported ASU moving is very reliable.

Hearing more chatter in recent hours about ASU considering a leave to the Big-12 along with Arizona. It’s being discussed more seriously than at any point.

New reports today on Big Ten considering adding more Pac-12 teams has the conference appearing on the verge of collapse.

— Chris Karpman (@ChrisKarpman) August 2, 2023

The Big12 lost one AAU university and gained four. Thanks for leaving Texas! Welcome Arizona, Arizona State, Colorado, and Utah. Most competitive league in the country. Must-see TV every week. pic.twitter.com/b4H85Anbau

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A reason ASU might be trying to prevent UA from leaving is that they arent invited and are trying to stop them in order to get a tag along invite. Kind of like we were trying in 2010. Like Cal tried with UCLA as well.

The "possible legal advice" part of the agenda can certainly lead to a lot of speculation. I guess we'll know soon enough.

I think it would be fun to have all of the four corners schools if we can't take UW and Oregon and, thus, I hope that asu pulls their heads out of their collective asses.

I saw somewhere yesterday that only Arizona (#14) would get a full share, if the Big12 expands to 16, the networks won't pay full shares for the next two. That may be why they are looking at UConn/Memphis, and would explain the reluctance by ASU, even if AZ shares its payout with them.

dstaylor57 said:

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I saw somewhere yesterday that only Arizona (#14) would get a full share, if the Big12 expands to 16, the networks won't pay full shares for the next two. That may be why they are looking at UConn/Memphis, and would explain the reluctance by ASU, even if AZ shares its payout with them.

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Gosh we should just take Arizona then. My question is does ASU get media markets than Arizona doesn't? Does Utah get us markets BYU doesn't?


Let the remaining PAC suffer for a while and, as we approach our next media negotiations, see if Oregon and Univ of Wash are still available. If we add those 2 at that time, maybe we get a better deal.

Of course the ACC may have blown up by then and we may have more, less arrogant, interested parties.

Someone said with Utah it would bring our revenue down to 30 million
Someone said Thamel said it but I can't find the article
Yormark has been blunt of a team doesn't add value we are not interested

I also see no problem with just staying at 14 for now assuming we cant get O and/or UW. Getting those or one of those is worth going to 16 now.

That was misinformation if you saw that. The ESPN contract requires full shares for P5..the Fox contract does not but obviously we aren't gonna add anyone..or anyone come..unless Fox has signed off on agreeing to pro rata them.

Lots of conflicting things being thrown around on social media so basically it's impossible to know what's truly in the contract, but let me ask you guys this:

Assume the networks are only willing to pony up for Arizona and would like us to stop at 14. If you are the AD or president at any of the exsiting Big 12 schools, are you willing to take a potential haircut in your school's allotment to help fund the shares for schools #15 and #16 in exchange for perceived security of having the mass of 16 teams?

CTbruin said:

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Big 12 wants no part of Utah.

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CT you've always been as well connected as anyone on this site. I sure hope your source is correct on this. I have no desire to have a school or fan base as arrogant as Texas, but without any of the accomplishments. And that is exactly what Utah is. I'd just as soon have UConn as Utah, and that doesn't mean I think UConn is a good add for the Big 12.

Reverend said:

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The "possible legal advice" part of the agenda can certainly lead to a lot of speculation. I guess we'll know soon enough.

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I wonder if that "possible legal advice" is to see what ASU can do to stop Arizona from leaving if ASU (and Utah) do not have invites in hand and only AZ has an invite.

Its the same BOR. They want legal advice on what legal action they can take against themselves?

Oregon and Washington are most likely going to hold out for the B1G and be admitted with lesser payouts.

We need to focus on Arizona for now.

Funny thing about Utah: the B1G and the SEC aren't extending any invitations to the Utes.

And the Utes have already said they want no part of the Big XII.

So, remember how Utah wanted to distinguish itself from BYU?

It will likely do so in the new Mountain West Conference rebranded as the PAC-12.

Yogi said:

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Oregon and Washington State are most likely going to hold out for the B1G and be admitted with lesser payouts.

We need to focus on Arizona for now.

Funny thing about Utah: the B1G and the SEC aren't extending any invitations to the Utes.

And the Utes have already said they want no part of the Big XII.

So, remember how Utah wanted to distinguish itself from BYU?

It will likely do so in the new Mountain West Conference rebranded as the PAC-12.

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washington state is not in the running for the b10. utah will come to the b12 if that's their best alternative. there's too much focus on feelings rather than fundamentals here. that's what makes it a fit, not that someone got all emotional in an internet post. uofa, asu, utah to the b12 makes complete sense.

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Its the same BOR. They want legal advice on what legal action they can take against themselves?

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I would guess advice about what action could be taken against them if they split the schools. Just thinking ASU alums gonna be pretty upset if they get left behind in the Mountain West. Whether they have standing to sue I dunno but giving Arizona a kiss and giving ASU the finger might lead to a little litigation. I'm not a lawyer, just sitting here watching.

I wasnt really commenting on your comment. Just a general subtle jab at how stupid it is for the flag ship state school system and the land grand state school system having the same BOR. Just think of all the other conflicts there just on athletics alone. What if they spend more on ASU' s stadium over a decade than they do on UA's etc. What if the coaches have better deals at UA than ASU ....the list goes on.

PartyBear said:

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I wasnt really commenting on your comment. Just a general subtle jab at how stupid it is for the flag ship state school system and the land grand state school system having the same BOR. Just think of all the other conflicts there just on athletics alone. What if they spend more on ASU' s stadium over a decade than they do on UA's etc. What if the coaches have better deals at UA than ASU ....the list goes on.

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It seemed like a good idea at the time.

I am wondering if BYU is saying no way to Utah and the rest of the league (or at least enough) don't want to piss on the new member. Is it possible B12 takes AU and ASU and is just unbalanced? Or maybe grabs Uconn on a reduced share?

I dont think the XII would be rejecting Utah just for BYU. We are not going back to doing business that way for anyone. That has already been made clear to O and UW as well incidentally if I understand correctly.

PartyBear said:

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I dont think the XII would be rejecting Utah just for BYU. We are not going back to doing business that way for anyone. That has already been made clear to O and UW as well incidentally if I understand correctly.

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I guess. These are still college administrators. They didn't turn into Gordon Gekko over night.

Hysterical that 12 years ago Stanford and Cal didn't want Baylor in the PAC-16, and now those two are going to not be in a power conference while Baylor is.

— Kendall (@kendallkaut) August 3, 2023

The Utah hate is ridiculous. If I am making the decision, we will absolutely take the University of Utah in the Big XII.

I mean - "because their fans are arrogant" is not a basis for a business decision. You wanna know who's fans are arrogant? Kansas and they are already in this conference.

Think of it this way, we all know that the Big XII is Utah's best choice even if they don't know that yet. If they join, they can be the Kansas of Football. They will kick your bum more than half the time, but they aren't better than you and realistically are never going to turn that inflated ego into anything more than a few message board posts.

I'll give them more credit when they win as many nattys as the Jay Hawks.

wongobear said:

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The Utah hate is ridiculous. If I am making the decision, we will absolutely take the University of Utah in the Big XII.

I mean - "because their fans are arrogant" is not a basis for a business decision. You wanna know who's fans are arrogant? Kansas and they are already in this conference.

Think of it this way, we all know that the Big XII is Utah's best choice even if they don't know that yet. If they join, they can be the Kansas of Football. They will kick your bum more than half the time, but they aren't better than you and realistically are never going to turn that inflated ego into anything more than a few message board posts.

I'll give them more credit when they win as many nattys as the Jay Hawks.

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I agree. If Utah gives us markets that BYU doesn't already deliver sure, let them in. If our media partners offer more with them included sure take them. If not they can wander the wilderness of non-P5 life. I'm comfortable knowing that the decision makers are not offended by individual fan silliness.

Jacques Strap said:

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PartyBear said:

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I wasnt really commenting on your comment. Just a general subtle jab at how stupid it is for the flag ship state school system and the land grand state school system having the same BOR. Just think of all the other conflicts there just on athletics alone. What if they spend more on ASU' s stadium over a decade than they do on UA's etc. What if the coaches have better deals at UA than ASU ....the list goes on.

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It seemed like a good idea at the time.

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Tik Tok challenge.

dstaylor57 said:

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I saw somewhere yesterday that only Arizona (#14) would get a full share, if the Big12 expands to 16, the networks won't pay full shares for the next two. That may be why they are looking at UConn/Memphis, and would explain the reluctance by ASU, even if AZ shares its payout with them.

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If true, that's pretty short-sighted of ASU. Even with a cut it's going to be a much better deal than the can get in the Pac 8.

wongobear said:

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The Utah hate is ridiculous. If I am making the decision, we will absolutely take the University of Utah in the Big XII.

I mean - "because their fans are arrogant" is not a basis for a business decision. You wanna know who's fans are arrogant? Kansas and they are already in this conference.

Think of it this way, we all know that the Big XII is Utah's best choice even if they don't know that yet. If they join, they can be the Kansas of Football. They will kick your bum more than half the time, but they aren't better than you and realistically are never going to turn that inflated ego into anything more than a few message board posts.

I'll give them more credit when they win as many nattys as the Jay Hawks.

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See University of Texas but with no success.

Long time learned piece of advice. Learned the hard way from making mistakes - don't partner with *******s.

I am curious if in all this melee, anyone at Pac is pushing back on Apple. Getting more games off streaming and committed to linear would be huge. If they took the Apple deal with one Pac 12 game per week committed to linear, they could maybe sell that. 2 games per week, for sure. And these numbers at the margin are rounding errors at Apple. They are probably more excited about the tech, production and packaging stuff than the money. They will learn from this and try to dominate the sports streaming market, which probably really means pro leagues. For example, if Apple picked up RSN rights (currently held mostly by failing broadcasters) and streamed it right, they would dominate. Most people want to watch their team, not most teams. I will watch the Stars, don't care about most other NHL teams. Perfect for streaming.

BearFan33 said:

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wongobear said:

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The Utah hate is ridiculous. If I am making the decision, we will absolutely take the University of Utah in the Big XII.

I mean - "because their fans are arrogant" is not a basis for a business decision. You wanna know who's fans are arrogant? Kansas and they are already in this conference.

Think of it this way, we all know that the Big XII is Utah's best choice even if they don't know that yet. If they join, they can be the Kansas of Football. They will kick your bum more than half the time, but they aren't better than you and realistically are never going to turn that inflated ego into anything more than a few message board posts.

I'll give them more credit when they win as many nattys as the Jay Hawks.

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I agree. If Utah gives us markets that BYU doesn't already deliver sure, let them in. If our media partners offer more with them included sure take them. If not they can wander the wilderness of non-P5 life. I'm comfortable knowing that the decision makers are not offended by individual fan silliness.

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Utah doesn't provide any new markets. Its fanbase is 96% in the SLC TV market. BYU covers every market that Utah does and many more. Most of its undeegrad student body is from the SLC metro area.

I hear the leaders at Utah have done little to impress the Big 12 leaders. They seem to have more of a "entitled " mentality. Like that place in austin we just got rid of.