I think Aranda is a great guy but when you're on year 4, it's all on you. Tonight the coaching seat is officially hot.

Agree but other have pointed out the buy out is too high. Maybe come up with half the buy out . Tell him to completely renovate the staff and buy players with the money.

It was clear tonight that Baylor is lacking talent. On top of that, though, they were lacking heart. Too many mental errors, and that falls on the coaches.

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Agree but other have pointed out the buy out is too high. Maybe come up with half the buy out . Tell him to completely renovate the staff and buy players with the money.

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This would be a disaster. It would just prolong the suck.

Lame duck years never go well. And if he's firing staff at the end of the season, he's done. Get rid of him and move on.

And fire the one who gave him a stupid, unnecessary extension while you're at it.

Why doesn't Aranda just beef up the NIL from his paycheck? Would prolong his tenure.

Win win

We're not firing Aranda after this season. Personally I want him gone tonight. Not going to happen until at least after 2025 season. Even a $40M buyout would be ridiculous for Baylor to consider.

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Agree but other have pointed out the buy out is too high. Maybe come up with half the buy out . Tell him to completely renovate the staff and buy players with the money.

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This would be a disaster. It would just prolong the suck.

Lame duck years never go well. And if he's firing staff at the end of the season, he's done. Get rid of him and move on.

And fire the one who gave him a stupid, unnecessary extension while you're at it.

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Can we buy him out? I'm pointing out we maybe should beef up the NIL. Otherwise we would plug someone else in with the similar results like we did with Roberts, Steele and Morriss before we realized we perhaps really do need fancy facilities.

Is losing to a Sunbelt Team not a reason to fire for cause? If not we need to get better frikin' lawyers.

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Agree but other have pointed out the buy out is too high. Maybe come up with half the buy out . Tell him to completely renovate the staff and buy players with the money.

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This would be a disaster. It would just prolong the suck.

Lame duck years never go well. And if he's firing staff at the end of the season, he's done. Get rid of him and move on.

And fire the one who gave him a stupid, unnecessary extension while you're at it.

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Can we buy him out? I'm pointing out we maybe should beef up the NIL. Otherwise we would plug someone else in with the similar results like we did with Roberts, Steele and Morriss before we realized we perhaps really do need fancy facilities.

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If the AD can't raise the funds to pay off his own mistake, fire his ass, too.

But if we keep Aranda next year, we'll be where WVU is currently. And that will be a terrible place to be heading into a new conference alignment.

And we just lost to Texas State, not Texas. We didn't get our ass kicked tonight because of NIL. We've got much larger problems than that.

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Agree but other have pointed out the buy out is too high. Maybe come up with half the buy out . Tell him to completely renovate the staff and buy players with the money.

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This would be a disaster. It would just prolong the suck.

Lame duck years never go well. And if he's firing staff at the end of the season, he's done. Get rid of him and move on.

And fire the one who gave him a stupid, unnecessary extension while you're at it.

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Can we buy him out? I'm pointing out we maybe should beef up the NIL. Otherwise we would plug someone else in with the similar results like we did with Roberts, Steele and Morriss before we realized we perhaps really do need fancy facilities.

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If the AD can't raise the funds to pay off his own mistake, fire his ass, too.

But if we keep Aranda next year, we'll be where WVU is currently. And that will be a terrible place to be heading into a new conference alignment.

And we just lost to Texas State, not Texas. We didn't get our ass kicked tonight because of NIL. We've got much larger problems than that.

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That comes sept 30th I believe

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Agree but other have pointed out the buy out is too high. Maybe come up with half the buy out . Tell him to completely renovate the staff and buy players with the money.

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This would be a disaster. It would just prolong the suck.



Lame duck years never go well. And if he's firing staff at the end of the season, he's done. Get rid of him and move on.

And fire the one who gave him a stupid, unnecessary extension while you're at it.

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Can we buy him out? I'm pointing out we maybe should beef up the NIL. Otherwise we would plug someone else in with the similar results like we did with Roberts, Steele and Morriss before we realized we perhaps really do need fancy facilities.

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If the AD can't raise the funds to pay off his own mistake, fire his ass, too.

But if we keep Aranda next year, we'll be where WVU is currently. And that will be a terrible place to be heading into a new conference alignment.

And we just lost to Texas State, not Texas. We didn't get our ass kicked tonight because of NIL. We've got much larger problems than that.

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So you are saying Aranda has amassed the talent to win big because we pay them well and it's just coaching on game day? I doubt that's the case. The AD needs to be raising money to rebuild through recruiting the portal etc otherwise buying Aranda out to plug someone else in with their hands tied behind their back as well does nothing to improve the program.

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Agree but other have pointed out the buy out is too high. Maybe come up with half the buy out . Tell him to completely renovate the staff and buy players with the money.

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This would be a disaster. It would just prolong the suck.



Lame duck years never go well. And if he's firing staff at the end of the season, he's done. Get rid of him and move on.

And fire the one who gave him a stupid, unnecessary extension while you're at it.

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Can we buy him out? I'm pointing out we maybe should beef up the NIL. Otherwise we would plug someone else in with the similar results like we did with Roberts, Steele and Morriss before we realized we perhaps really do need fancy facilities.

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If the AD can't raise the funds to pay off his own mistake, fire his ass, too.

But if we keep Aranda next year, we'll be where WVU is currently. And that will be a terrible place to be heading into a new conference alignment.

And we just lost to Texas State, not Texas. We didn't get our ass kicked tonight because of NIL. We've got much larger problems than that.

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So you are saying Aranda has amassed the talent to win big because we pay them well and it's just coaching on game day?

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I'm saying Aranda's program has flatlined. There's no coming back from this.

It's time to move on.

We're already on OC and DC number two. Why would you continue to give a guy who can't hire a staff more opportunities to turn over his staff?

Dave gets the rest of this year. But barring a significant turnaround that no one really believes is coming, our program is heading nowhere without a change at the top.

Perhaps we turn it around? 2021 we played a rather crap game against Texas State, granted we won.

But I saw no line play tonight. Might as well have just not lined up those spots on offense or defense. I don't want to rewatch any tape of this game but our secondary is either really young and with a steep learning curve or they are not D1 level athletes.

Is Aranda not recruiting D1 level athletes? He's had success at Wisconsin and LSU. The two supposed best leagues. He should know D1 athletes.

The O line looked to the eye test to be D2 at best. No way we can win any games with that offensive line we saw tonight.

I have zero faith in the AD to make the right hire. If I was a big money guy I would be looking for a new AD

It's funny how often I got bashed last year for questioning the apparent lack of preparedness of the staff, it's apparent inability to recognize problems quickly, adjust in-game, and throughout the season, But now it seems almost unanimous after one game that Aranda is a done.

I don't want to go that far now after just one horrible game. Sometimes it happens. But I'm not encouraged by what I saw tonight. I like Aranda, and I'm sure he's a smart guy. But increasingly I cringe when he talks. He's thinking but without having any solid answers. He's just churning things in his mind with these weird analogies, often seeming random, but we Rorschack test it as genius and he's just smarter than us because we really want to believe. To me it seems more like paralysis by analysis, and that's what I've felt in his coaching style, both in long term building, and in short term game management. I had the feeling last year that maybe he's just not head coaching material, and 2021 was kind of a fluke.

I want him to prove me wrong.

We all want him to prove us wrong. The analysis is not looking good.

Since 1960, Baylor has had three good head coaches Teaff, Briles, and Rhule. Teaff and Briles were ensconced in Texas football. Rhule took a program that had imploded and made it a contender again in a few short years. He was not a Texas football guy, but he hired a lot of them (McGuire, Wetzel, and Bell).

We need to hire a coach that is a Texas football coach. We can't out recruit Texas and A&M. Even at our pinnacle under Briles we struggled to beat them out for recruits even though we were winning the conference. NIL just makes it harder. We won by finding the guys from the small towns that were overlooked. The guys who were raw and needed development. We scouted better and developed better. We also found a system that let us take athletes that were not as good on paper and turn them into stars.

I highly doubt that Baylor has the money to pay out an extra six years on a contract or whatever it is. That's a moot point, since I know Rhodes isn't going to fire him. They are buddies. As long as Aranda doesn't do something dumb like drop a racial slur, bully a player, start banging students etc., he's here for the long-haul

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I have zero faith in the AD to make the right hire. If I was a big money guy I would be looking for a new AD

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Yep, new AD, he got us in this situation.

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I have zero faith in the AD to make the right hire. If I was a big money guy I would be looking for a new AD

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Yep, new AD, he got us in this situation.

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100%

Only thing that's still solid is MBB and that preceded him.

Mack's ego is a problem.

It's only hot if we have the money to buy him out and pay another guy to come here.

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It's funny how often I got bashed last year for questioning the apparent lack of preparedness of the staff,

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It's what happens with group think.

I had threads deleted last year when I said that Aranda and the WBB coach Collens had to go.

Some people don't have the emotional or mental maturity to receive messages that don't align exactly with the ones they hold.

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Since 1960, Baylor has had three good head coaches Teaff, Briles, and Rhule. Teaff and Briles were ensconced in Texas football. Rhule took a program that had imploded and made it a contender again in a few short years. He was not a Texas football guy, but he hired a lot of them (McGuire, Wetzel, and Bell).

We need to hire a coach that is a Texas football coach. We can't out recruit Texas and A&M. Even at our pinnacle under Briles we struggled to beat them out for recruits even though we were winning the conference. NIL just makes it harder. We won by finding the guys from the small towns that were overlooked. The guys who were raw and needed development. We scouted better and developed better. We also found a system that let us take athletes that were not as good on paper and turn them into stars.

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Rhule lived off of Briles foundation. We will see how he does at Nebraska

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I have zero faith in the AD to make the right hire. If I was a big money guy I would be looking for a new AD

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Yep, new AD, he got us in this situation.

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100%

Only thing that's still solid is MBB and that preceded him.

Mack's ego is a problem.

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Had read this before but it actually seems like there might be something to this. Does he want meeker types as coaches so it's easier to handle? That's my feel. I have picked up on a bit of an attitude during the interviews.

Wouldn't mesh well with a coach who is fiery and comes in confident. Lay low and let your coaches operate and if they have a more commanding presence be humble and let it go. Step in only for compliance/legal reasons

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It's funny how often I got bashed last year for questioning the apparent lack of preparedness of the staff,

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It's what happens with group think.

I had threads deleted last year when I said that Aranda and the WBB coach Collens had to go.

Some people don't have the emotional or mental maturity to receive messages that don't align exactly with the ones they hold.

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There are some extremely aggressive sunshine pumpers involved with this site. Both on the staff and as posters. Me even saying that risks my account being cancelled.

While it is kinda normal among fan bases. The lack of reality of our fans is a part of our problem.

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Since 1960, Baylor has had three good head coaches Teaff, Briles, and Rhule. Teaff and Briles were ensconced in Texas football. Rhule took a program that had imploded and made it a contender again in a few short years. He was not a Texas football guy, but he hired a lot of them (McGuire, Wetzel, and Bell).

We need to hire a coach that is a Texas football coach. We can't out recruit Texas and A&M. Even at our pinnacle under Briles we struggled to beat them out for recruits even though we were winning the conference. NIL just makes it harder. We won by finding the guys from the small towns that were overlooked. The guys who were raw and needed development. We scouted better and developed better. We also found a system that let us take athletes that were not as good on paper and turn them into stars.

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Rhule lived off of Briles foundation. We will see how he does at Nebraska

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I've had to edit this a couple times because I'm trying to be civil. Here goes..

Your statement is about as far from reality as one can get.

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Since 1960, Baylor has had three good head coaches Teaff, Briles, and Rhule. Teaff and Briles were ensconced in Texas football. Rhule took a program that had imploded and made it a contender again in a few short years. He was not a Texas football guy, but he hired a lot of them (McGuire, Wetzel, and Bell).

We need to hire a coach that is a Texas football coach. We can't out recruit Texas and A&M. Even at our pinnacle under Briles we struggled to beat them out for recruits even though we were winning the conference. NIL just makes it harder. We won by finding the guys from the small towns that were overlooked. The guys who were raw and needed development. We scouted better and developed better. We also found a system that let us take athletes that were not as good on paper and turn them into stars.

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Rhule lived off of Briles foundation. We will see how he does at Nebraska

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I've had to edit this a couple times because I'm trying to be civil. Here goes..

Your statement is about as far from reality as one can get.

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we went 6-6 the year after Briles and would have won more if the administration did publish that crap the day before the Texas game.

Rhule was able sustain what Briles built. Rhule did a good job of building our defense back up. His O was serviceable. I think if he stayed we would be in better shape than we are now.

He needs to figure out how to run an offense to become a great coach. He is young and still has time

Matt Rhule is 48 and older than Aranda.

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Since 1960, Baylor has had three good head coaches Teaff, Briles, and Rhule. Teaff and Briles were ensconced in Texas football. Rhule took a program that had imploded and made it a contender again in a few short years. He was not a Texas football guy, but he hired a lot of them (McGuire, Wetzel, and Bell).

We need to hire a coach that is a Texas football coach. We can't out recruit Texas and A&M. Even at our pinnacle under Briles we struggled to beat them out for recruits even though we were winning the conference. NIL just makes it harder. We won by finding the guys from the small towns that were overlooked. The guys who were raw and needed development. We scouted better and developed better. We also found a system that let us take athletes that were not as good on paper and turn them into stars.

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Rhule lived off of Briles foundation. We will see how he does at Nebraska

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I've had to edit this a couple times because I'm trying to be civil. Here goes..

Your statement is about as far from reality as one can get.

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we went 6-6 the year after Briles and would have won more if the administration did publish that crap the day before the Texas game.

Rhule was able sustain what Briles built. Rhule did a good job of building our defense back up. His O was serviceable. I think if he stayed we would be in better shape than we are now.

He needs to figure out how to run an offense to become a great coach. He is young and still has time

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I think you made a good point - Rhule needs to figure out offense. I would not be nearly as kind about it - I felt his offenses were mediocre.

That said, I don't think you have your time line and data correct:
- Grobe went 6-6 with Briles guys, not Rhule. (7-6 with the bowl win)
- When Rhule got here, all of the recruits were granted release and only 1 stayed. Due to graduation, transfers, players getting released and attrition in general, there were 45 scholarship players here when Rhule arrived.
-Rhule had a couple dudes that were great at recruiting and they installed physical football, which took a couple years to show benefits.

We never had a good defense with Briles, so I wouldn't use the term "building our defense back up". I would probably change that to, "Rhule created a good defense, one that we haven't seen in decades".

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Matt Rhule is 48 and older than Aranda.

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That's pretty young in the coaching profession no?

Sure there's exceptions but would think large majority of P5 coaches are older than him and the avg coach age is at least 10% older

48 is young

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Since 1960, Baylor has had three good head coaches Teaff, Briles, and Rhule. Teaff and Briles were ensconced in Texas football. Rhule took a program that had imploded and made it a contender again in a few short years. He was not a Texas football guy, but he hired a lot of them (McGuire, Wetzel, and Bell).

We need to hire a coach that is a Texas football coach. We can't out recruit Texas and A&M. Even at our pinnacle under Briles we struggled to beat them out for recruits even though we were winning the conference. NIL just makes it harder. We won by finding the guys from the small towns that were overlooked. The guys who were raw and needed development. We scouted better and developed better. We also found a system that let us take athletes that were not as good on paper and turn them into stars.

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Rhule lived off of Briles foundation. We will see how he does at Nebraska

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I've had to edit this a couple times because I'm trying to be civil. Here goes..

Your statement is about as far from reality as one can get.

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we went 6-6 the year after Briles and would have won more if the administration did publish that crap the day before the Texas game.

Rhule was able sustain what Briles built. Rhule did a good job of building our defense back up. His O was serviceable. I think if he stayed we would be in better shape than we are now.

He needs to figure out how to run an offense to become a great coach. He is young and still has time

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I think you made a good point - Rhule needs to figure out offense. I would not be nearly as kind about it - I felt his offenses were mediocre. However, given the overall philosophy of the team (keep the defense off the field with a running game), it worked. However, it was frustrating to watch and poor Charlie got beat up something severe because Rhule nor his staff could develop an OL.

That said, I don't think you have your time line and data correct:
- Grobe went 6-6 with Briles guys, not Rhule. (7-6 with the bowl win)
- When Rhule got here, there was no foundation left. All of the players were granted release and only 1 stayed.
- Rhule had to scramble to fill out the roster that first year. Rhule had a couple dudes that were great at recruiting and they installed physical football, which took a couple years to show benefits.

We never had a good defense with Briles, so I wouldn't use the term "building our defense back up". I would probably change that to, "Rhule created a good defense, one that we haven't seen in decades".

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I know it was Grobe, my point was that team had so much talent we won without a real head coach.

The defense was coming. Briles has some decent defenses
i think he was really starting to focus on that side of the ball. I might be wrong but I think Petrie was around the lowest rated defensive players in Briles class coming in. They all bailed so who knows.

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Since 1960, Baylor has had three good head coaches Teaff, Briles, and Rhule. Teaff and Briles were ensconced in Texas football. Rhule took a program that had imploded and made it a contender again in a few short years. He was not a Texas football guy, but he hired a lot of them (McGuire, Wetzel, and Bell).

We need to hire a coach that is a Texas football coach. We can't out recruit Texas and A&M. Even at our pinnacle under Briles we struggled to beat them out for recruits even though we were winning the conference. NIL just makes it harder. We won by finding the guys from the small towns that were overlooked. The guys who were raw and needed development. We scouted better and developed better. We also found a system that let us take athletes that were not as good on paper and turn them into stars.

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Rhule lived off of Briles foundation. We will see how he does at Nebraska

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I've had to edit this a couple times because I'm trying to be civil. Here goes..

Your statement is about as far from reality as one can get.

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we went 6-6 the year after Briles and would have won more if the administration did publish that crap the day before the Texas game.

Rhule was able sustain what Briles built. Rhule did a good job of building our defense back up. His O was serviceable. I think if he stayed we would be in better shape than we are now.

He needs to figure out how to run an offense to become a great coach. He is young and still has time

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I think you made a good point - Rhule needs to figure out offense. I would not be nearly as kind about it - I felt his offenses were mediocre.

That said, I don't think you have your time line and data correct:
- Grobe went 6-6 with Briles guys, not Rhule. (7-6 with the bowl win)
- When Rhule got here, there was no foundation left. All of the recruits were granted release and only 1 stayed.
- Rhule had to scramble to fill out the roster that first year as there was 40-45 returning scholarship players. Rhule had a couple dudes that were great at recruiting and they installed physical football, which took a couple years to show benefits.

We never had a good defense with Briles, so I wouldn't use the term "building our defense back up". I would probably change that to, "Rhule created a good defense, one that we haven't seen in decades".

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I know it was Grobe, my point was that team had so much talent we won without a real head coach.

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You said, "Rhule was able sustain what Briles built" and "Rhule lived off of Briles foundation. We will see how he does at Nebraska"

Those statements could not be further from the truth.