People who want to keep Aranda

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FLBear5630
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morethanhecouldbear said:

Bearmanly said:

Sorry if this has already been mentioned before.
IF Aranda were to win another Big 12 championship

We've lost 6 of 7. Bringing up the "if" of Big 12 championships seems like you live in a different reality than I do.




Last night shows how far we are from being competitive. It was that bad, AND Texas didn't even have to pay us 500k to set up a patsy.
morethanhecouldbear
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The calls for him to get fired will only get louder as we get closer to the end of the season and the losses pile up.

The "on the fence" people will no longer be on the fence, either. Not if we finish 2-10
Daveisabovereproach
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Bump. I'm curious what DCbear and the other Aranda supporters have to say at this point in the season?
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morethanhecouldbear said:

The calls for him to get fired will only get louder as we get closer to the end of the season and the losses pile up.

The "on the fence" people will no longer be on the fence, either. Not if we finish 2-10


Fans that are still on the fence about Aranda are simply grasping at straws looking for reasons to support him. These are the people who scoffed at the idea of the titanic sinking long after the first lifeboats had been lowered and the crew was begging people to get on the remaining lifeboats
IowaBear
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They'll keep making excuses for Dave
beartrackster
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Just curious, , those willing to get rid of Aranda, post the amount you are willing to give to a buyout and then someone tally that please. Might want to add your name so that BU can bill their loyal fans! Then next post how much you are willing to give to our NIL fund and then we can see if we'll be able to have a good program cause that's the real problem and that sort of puts it on the backs of fans.
Daveisabovereproach
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beartrackster said:

Just curious, , those willing to get rid of Aranda, post the amount you are willing to give to a buyout and then someone tally that please. Might want to add your name so that BU can bill their loyal fans! Then next post how much you are willing to give to our NIL fund and then we can see if we'll be able to have a good program cause that's the real problem and that sort of puts it on the backs of fans.


That's not how this works. Lol. Our mostly middle class fanbase should not have to buy out our coach. Also, just because I'm willing to pay $0.00 doesn't mean that we shouldn't make the attempt to fire an obviously poor coach.

How much are you willing to spend to get us the four and five star recruits that are the missing component in Coach Dave's master plan?

If you think our problem is all recruiting and not at all poor coaching, I just don't know what to tell you. This is such an obtuse post, I don't know where to start
Daveisabovereproach
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IowaBear said:

They'll keep making excuses for Dave


Yep. See beartracksters comments below. Apparently this is all a talent problem, and if you're not willing to donate big money, we should just accept our four win seasons and be happy lemmings that blindly support the administration no matter what. Truth and facts are apparently decided by how much money you donate. That's how that works. and notice that none of these Aranda supporters can voice logical reasons for keeping him beyond, "we have to buy out his contract, and that's inconvenient
beartrackster
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Never said coaching wasn't a problem, just tired of all the expectation for everyone else to step up to the plate for your joy parade. I don't imagine big donors are happy either, but sometimes they do put up dollars and the coach or talent for whatever reason doesn't pan out. Not obtuse just tire of all the whiners on here wanting someone else to pick up the slack.
JudgeBear1845
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FWIW, I recently had dinner with several folks that were LSU grads (one even played football there). They were all in agreement that CDA is a great defensive coach, but it was a known fact that during his time at LSU he was not good at evaluating talent/recruiting. Not sure if true, but it is plausible based on the state of the program.
Krieg
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beartrackster said:

Never said coaching wasn't a problem, just tired of all the expectation for everyone else to step up to the plate for your joy parade. I don't imagine big donors are happy either, but sometimes they do put up dollars and the coach or talent for whatever reason doesn't pan out. Not obtuse just tire of all the whiners on here wanting someone else to pick up the slack.



I think the people behind the Briles fiasco need to pay up until they find a replacement at least as good. After all, we had regents saying at this point (2016) the program was at a point where anyone could win here. Ball is still in their court. It's their problem to fix until they get it fixed.
Fre3dombear
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Krieg said:

beartrackster said:

Never said coaching wasn't a problem, just tired of all the expectation for everyone else to step up to the plate for your joy parade. I don't imagine big donors are happy either, but sometimes they do put up dollars and the coach or talent for whatever reason doesn't pan out. Not obtuse just tire of all the whiners on here wanting someone else to pick up the slack.



I think the people behind the Briles fiasco need to pay up until they find a replacement at least as good. After all, we had regents saying at this point (2016) the program was at a point where anyone could win here. Ball is still in their court. It's their problem to fix until they get it fixed.


Frankly the only person really struggling here since baylor finally caught up in the arms races is Dave. Even grobe started 6-0 And had a top 10 team till they torched it.

The lambo….is en fuego
Krieg
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Fre3dombear said:

Krieg said:

beartrackster said:

Never said coaching wasn't a problem, just tired of all the expectation for everyone else to step up to the plate for your joy parade. I don't imagine big donors are happy either, but sometimes they do put up dollars and the coach or talent for whatever reason doesn't pan out. Not obtuse just tire of all the whiners on here wanting someone else to pick up the slack.



I think the people behind the Briles fiasco need to pay up until they find a replacement at least as good. After all, we had regents saying at this point (2016) the program was at a point where anyone could win here. Ball is still in their court. It's their problem to fix until they get it fixed.


Frankly the only person really struggling here since baylor finally caught up in the arms races is Dave. Even grobe started 6-0 And had a top 10 team till they torched it.

The lambo….is en fuego


Grobe doesn't count, at all. That's not his fault, but he was just there for press conferences and player support.

Rhule struggled in 2 of 3 years and never beat a ranked team.

Aranda has struggled in 3 of 4 years (but I don't count 2020, he didn't have a chance at all in 2020).

The only era since 1960 we've been good for 5+ years in a row was 2010-2015. One time.
Daveisabovereproach
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Hey beartrackster. What is your excuse this week big boy? Did we lose this game because I'm not digging into my family's lavish $200/month fun money budget in order to buy Dave four and five star recruits?
Oldbear83
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Here's the thing. We know firing Aranda would be very expensive. That's the first point brought up to explain why he still has a job, and it's valid.

But let's say Rhoades has a flash of lucidity and fires Aranda. Now what? The program will need a total rebuild, because the morale is shot, recruits have no reason to think Baylor represents a conference contender let alone a national contender, and the fans have no reason to spend all that money and time coming to see the team unless it first proves it can win, which is going to be rough.

We can go for the flashy guy, but we probably have no shot at the really big names, and anyone with a reputation for titles who would consider Baylor would demand a contract even more expensive and longer than Aranda's deal. And frankly in our history we have generally succeeded using coaches who were not well known. But it would take a very football-smart AD to know how to get that kind of unknown-diamond-in-the-rough head coach or coordinator, and I just don't see Rhoades as football-smart.

Now I am not a sports genius, but I have turned around failing businesses over and over for four decades. I recognize poor morale, unreasonable promises, stress from failure and other symptoms of a bad work team that are also present in this team. And I have seen successful coaches do the same thing all successful leaders do:

SHOW EMOTION in meaningful ways. ARGUE bad calls, get in close and talk to your team leaders on both sides of the ball, CHEER every score as loud as the best fan, and show fans that you care, each and every f-ing play.

DO NOT ACCEPT EXCUSES. Losing to middling teams is unacceptable, losing at home is unacceptable, and losing Homecoming needs more than a shrug and quiet excuses. Say what you will change, BE SPECIFIC and say how you will measure progress.

ADMIT WHEN YOUR PLANS ARE NOT WORKING. Everyone makes mistakes, and sometimes they are big. You cannot be credible as long as you pretend your plan has a chance of working even after it's obvious you have failed.

DON'T BE AFRAID TO ASK FOR IDEAS. Self explanatory.

There is a point at which a leader has to sit down and be clear that the plan is not working, and a new direction is necessary. We were there after the first loss. In business, a boss who is not getting the job done goes on what is called a Process Improvement Plan where clear goals are stated with consequences for failure. We were there by the 3rd loss.

Rhoades should already have taken those steps, and he needs to make public that he has done so. Vague assurances that Aranda is not going to be fired is the wrong message, not because Rhoades has to do what the public wants, but because the implied message from Rhoades is that losing is acceptable, regardless of how or to what school.

That's how an AD gets fired eventually. It's up to Rhoades if he finds a way to save Aranda by criticizing him in public, he fires Aranda, or he continues to ignore everything until his own seat gets warm enough to force a decision.
That which does not kill me, will try again and get nastier
 
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