Let’s do it. 713✈️206 pic.twitter.com/G3nJkAjKn8

— LAIR. ✞ (@LairJoshua) September 25, 2023

2024 4 ⭐️ safety Josh Lair took an unofficial visit to #Baylor today. #SicEm pic.twitter.com/eSGgqPhHLb

— Grayson Grundhoefer (@GrayGrundhoefer) March 15, 2023

he picked K-Stae?0

Cool graphic incorporating the local usual overcast skies and rain and coloring it purplish but also a realistic purple. Just reminds me how much we also need solid branding and marketing people.

Harrison Bergeron said:

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he picked K-Stae?0

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Washington

So he committed to kstate and then visited university of baylor the next day?

Fre3dombear said:

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So he committed to kstate and then visited university of baylor the next day?

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The visit tweet is from 3/23 - the commit tweet was this week

Didnt offer (enough money)

But our recruiting is going totally fine guys, nothing to worry about

Married A Horn said:

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Didnt offer (enough money)

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I am certain we did not. But everything is fine as one can see. We dont need to be offering $$ like everyone else in the P4 due to our being so special good players just arent special enough for us if they dont want to play for free or very little. We need to keep going through coaches until we have one who can convince them all of this specialness. Just like 30 years ago good players didnt need nice facilities to see how special it was to play here or coaches didnt need big salaries to see how wonderful it is to coach at Baylor.

PartyBear said:

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Married A Horn said:

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Didnt offer (enough money)

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I am certain we did not. But everything is fine as one can see. We dont need to be offering $$ like everyone else in the P4 due to our being so special good players just arent special enough for us if they dont want to play for free or very little. We need to keep going through coaches until we have one who can convince them all of this specialness. Just like 30 years ago good players didnt need nice facilities to see how special it was to play here or coaches didnt need big salaries to see how wonderful it is to coach at Baylor.

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Literally no one has said we won't lose recruits to better NIL offers. But until you can come up with a practical way of increasing our NIL pool to be competitive with those of high profile state schools, you're just pissing in the wind. Just idle *****ing per usual.

Do you think that the McLane stadium was literally Drayton McLane's idea or any of these facilities were the idea of their main donors? Do you think all the facilities and high coaches salaries just developed organically or did Baylor let them know we need these things and we really would like your help and even put some kind pressure on them regarding their request.

I do not think Baylor is suddenly donor poor.

BMDs would be wasting their money if Dave can't get his team to play smart and hard on Saturdays.

I think most right now are wondering if the internal improvements are fully in place.

BaylorLit 01 said:

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BMDs would be wasting their money if Dave can't get his team to play smart and hard on Saturdays.

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Exactly. NIL isn't going to help if your aren't developing players and creating an energy around your program. We've already proven we can't pick and develop QBs or an offense worth a nickel combined with a lackluster defense. Its not attractive

To be fair, Baylor signs very few blue-chip recruits - that's been true pre-NIL and it will continue to be true after NIL. It's to the point where it's not unreasonable to simply assume that Baylor won't sign any given blue-chip recruit until the NLI has been submitted to Baylor. Because of that, blaming NIL (or any other individual variable) as the main reason why every single recruit offered by Baylor signs somewhere else is neither productive nor an accurate reflection of circumstances at play.

That's too logical for this board. We are here to piss into the wind.

PartyBear said:

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Do you think that the McLane stadium was literally Drayton McLane's idea or any of these facilities were the idea of their main donors? Do you think all the facilities and high coaches salaries just developed organically or did Baylor let them know we need these things and we really would like your help and even put some kind pressure on them regarding their request.

I do not think Baylor is suddenly donor poor.

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I think it's a hell of a lot easier to sell a stadium than it is a sham pay-for-play contract for 18-year-olds. Only boosters who are diehard fans are motivated to throw their money at recruits. Anyone who's not rightly views that as an idiotic investment. Most big-money donors are not diehard football fans. They're jumbo shrimpers who like to rub shoulders in suites and see their names on facilities.

Aberzombie1892 said:

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To be fair, Baylor signs very few blue-chip recruits - that's been true pre-NIL and it will continue to be true after NIL. It's to the point where it's not unreasonable to simply assume that Baylor won't sign any given blue-chip recruit until the NLI has been submitted to Baylor. Because of that, blaming NIL (or any other individual variable) as the main reason why every single recruit offered by Baylor signs somewhere else is neither productive nor an accurate reflection of circumstances at play.

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And it's been proven by literally every good Baylor team in the last 15 years that we don't need blue-chippers to field a top 10-15 team. There's a ton of talent in this state below that blue chip, big-NIL contract level if you know what you're looking for and how to develop it.

Let's say you hire a Briles type coach and he brings in an under the radar next RGIII who is fine at the time making 3 k a season. But by the 3rd year he is on everyone's Heisman list and that player can make 200 k or more a year and every school now wants him and can now get him due to the portal. How would you say we fare with all the talent developed by our excellent player developing coaches without robust NIL.? Our hypothetical staff would just be developing talent for everyone else.

Additionally who among our competitors does not do NIL. Who in the new P4 doesn't? Who in the XII doesn't? Why would one think we shouldn't try to be a high payer? We have had classes ranked 35 in the country it has been said. How would we still do that with little NIL if everyone else we compete with does it and tries to do it in a big way?

PartyBear said:

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Let's say you hire a Briles type coach and he brings in an under the radar next RGIII who is fine at the time making 3 k a season. But by the 3rd year he is on everyone's Heisman list and that player can make 200 k or more a year and every school now wants him and can now get him due to the portal. How would you say we fare with all the talent developed by our excellent player developing coaches without robust NIL.? Our hypothetical staff would just be developing talent for everyone else.

Additionally who among our competitors does not do NIL. Who in the new P4 doesn't? Who in the XII doesn't? Why would one think we shouldn't try to be a high payer? We have had classes ranked 35 in the country it has been said. How would we still do that with little NIL if everyone else we compete with does it and tries to do it in a big way?

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No one is saying we shouldn't try to be a high payer. I'm asking you practically what realistic steps we take to become one. You haven't come close to providing an answer.

Once again, this isn't a will issue, it's a means issue.

Married A Horn said:

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Didnt offer (enough money)

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When you have sunk to our level I'm not sure NIL matters. Recruits feel like us. Program sucks. This is where Briles exceeded. He could evaluate talent to fit his football mindset.