I've heard rumors that they don't like each other, yet Orgeron's son is on Aranda's staff. Why wouldn't we hire Daddy as a consultant or some other titled position? What could it hurt?

BellCountyBear said:

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I've heard rumors that they don't like each other, yet Orgeron's son is on Aranda's staff. Why wouldn't we hire Daddy as a consultant or some other titled position? What could it hurt?

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Because he's a train wreck -- and outside of one season with a bunch of All-Pro NFL skill talent a pretty bad coach.

You also just described….. Dave Aranda

bear2be2 said:

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BellCountyBear said:

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I've heard rumors that they don't like each other, yet Orgeron's son is on Aranda's staff. Why wouldn't we hire Daddy as a consultant or some other titled position? What could it hurt?

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Because he's a train wreck -- and outside of one season with a bunch of All-Pro NFL skill talent a pretty bad coach.

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He could recruit. But maybe not anymore.

And it's all academic because there's no way on earth Baylor would ever put him on staff.

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if we were to do something like that, I would actually have more hope that Aranda would get fired sooner rather than later. Orgeron is a PR disaster waiting to happen.

IowaBear said:

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You also just described….. Dave Aranda

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Aranda's not a train wreck off the field. Quite the opposite actually.

Rumored he may have slept with students, he definitely apparently tried to pick up a boosters wife at a gas station, among other things. Heck, if Aranda doesn't like him it might because O tried to pick up his wife.

He's a great interview but as said above a ticking time bomb.

bear2be2 said:

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IowaBear said:

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You also just described….. Dave Aranda

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Aranda's not a train wreck off the field. Quite the opposite actually.

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Maybe a train wreck on the field - we've won one of the last 8 games.

You didn't say off the field. You said train wreck. And that Dave Aranda is . He also managed to win with a group of really good now NFL players developed by the prior staff. Your whole sentence was Dave Aranda in a nutshell

IowaBear said:

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You didn't say off the field. You said train wreck. And that Dave Aranda is . He also managed to win with a group of really good now NFL players developed by the prior staff. Your whole sentence was Dave Aranda in a nutshell

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I said "Because he's a train wreck -- and ... a pretty bad coach." I figured it was understood that the first part was a character critique and the second a comment on his job performance. It would be pretty redundant otherwise.

But if it wasn't clear, that's what I meant.

Just so we're all on the same page, "bad coach" is 51-20 at LSU overall and 31-17 in SEC. And 4-1 in bowls. And "one good year" is national championship. And his worst year was 6-6 bowl eligibility.

So yeah, pretty terrible and I can dream that one day some "bad coach" who's LSU win rate in SEC is 7% higher than Briles Baylor win rate will come along and fix us right up.

Coach O was at practice visiting his son like 2 weeks ago. I'm a Baylor grad and an LSU grad, and while Coach O and Aranda have their differences, I think they get along just fine. In fact, I think Aranda would consider Coach O a friend and a mentor of sorts. He's been quoted saying he's learned more from Coach O than from any other head coach - take that for what it's worth....

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Killing Floor said:

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Just so we're all on the same page, "bad coach" is 51-20 at LSU overall and 31-17 in SEC. And 4-1 in bowls. And "one good year" is national championship. And his worst year was 6-6 bowl eligibility.

So yeah, pretty terrible and I can dream that one day some "bad coach" who's LSU win rate in SEC is 7% higher than Briles Baylor win rate will come along and fix us right up.

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LSU has finished five seasons outside of the AP top 25 since 2000. Orgeron was responsible for two of those in a five-year tenure -- that followed an absolutely disastrous stint at Ole Miss.

Orgeron had some nice highlights at LSU, but that's true of every LSU coach in the modern era. That's an extremely high-ceiling job. You're literally a failure if you don't win a title there.

It's also an extremely high-floor job, and that's where Orgeron's cracks showed. He's the only LSU coach since DiNardo to win fewer than eight games in their worst seasons, and he did it twice. It's really hard to field mediocre teams at LSU, and Orgeron got there by the end of his tenure.

By win percentage, Ed Orgeron is Ole Miss' worst coach since the 1940s and LSU's worst coach since 2000.

Ed has one thing on his mind and it isn't coaching football.

No Quarterback said:

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if we were to do something like that, I would actually have more hope that Aranda would get fired sooner rather than later. Orgeron is a PR disaster waiting to happen.

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Such a Baylorish statement. Most Baylor people care too much about how things look versus actual results.

It's ok if we don't agree on this.
I would happily trade 10 losing seasons for 1 national championship.

And FWIW we're 3-7 in our last 10 games. And I'm fully certain Ogeron would attract talent to BU. Aranda is bleeding talent.

Killing Floor said:

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It's ok if we don't agree on this.
I would happily trade 10 losing seasons for 1 national championship.

And FWIW we're 3-7 in our last 10 games. And I'm fully certain Ogeron would attract talent to BU. Aranda is bleeding talent.

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Baylor and LSU aren't the same. LSU is among the bluest of blue bloods. We're a .500 program historically with limited resources.

Orgeron would be a ****ing disaster at Baylor -- every bit as bad as Aranda.

Disaster compared to? We're optimistically looking at 2-3 wins. And not stacking up recruits for the future.
It's a disaster now.

Killing Floor said:

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Disaster compared to? We're optimistically looking at 2-3 wins. And not stacking up recruits for the future.
It's a disaster now.

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I'm not sure why you're taking my posts as defenses of Aranda. I'm already ready to move on from Aranda. But Orgeron would be every bit as bad. And he'd actually be worse because he'd embarrass the university off the field while losing.

Killing Floor said:

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Just so we're all on the same page, "bad coach" is 51-20 at LSU overall and 31-17 in SEC. And 4-1 in bowls. And "one good year" is national championship. And his worst year was 6-6 bowl eligibility.

So yeah, pretty terrible and I can dream that one day some "bad coach" who's LSU win rate in SEC is 7% higher than Briles Baylor win rate will come along and fix us right up.

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Yeah coach O is a bad coach because he's only won ONE national championship. Matt Rhule on the other hand (a .500 career coach) , he will tell you is the Bill Belichick of college football

Killing Floor said:

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Just so we're all on the same page, "bad coach" is 51-20 at LSU overall and 31-17 in SEC. And 4-1 in bowls. And "one good year" is national championship. And his worst year was 6-6 bowl eligibility.

So yeah, pretty terrible and I can dream that one day some "bad coach" who's LSU win rate in SEC is 7% higher than Briles Baylor win rate will come along and fix us right up.

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But the knock on O at LSU was he couldn't recruit and program slid

I bet this team isn't 1-3 with him on the sideline lighting a fire under they ass

If coach O could just come in our locker room to fire up our guys and smash something over his head we would blow somebody out. A buddy of mine was in the locker room a couple years back at Ole MIss when they played LSU and told me coach O brings it in his fire up speeches.

BellCountyBear said:

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No Quarterback said:

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if we were to do something like that, I would actually have more hope that Aranda would get fired sooner rather than later. Orgeron is a PR disaster waiting to happen.

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Such a Baylorish statement. Most Baylor people care too much about how much things look versus actual results.

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Some of y'all are so depressed about our team that you're saying actual stuff that a ******ed person would say. If Orgeron somehow got hired and then banged a student, he would absolutely get Aranda fired. I'm not sure how that statement is "Baylorish". And if the dude was such an awesome coach like what's being discussed on this thread, he would already have another job lined up and not have to stoop so low as to be a consultant at Baylor, lol

This Orgeron discussion is so odd. What if we hired Briles as a consultant? What if a scientist invented flubber and put it on the shoes of all of our athletes? What if aliens tried to drain our players of their powers? What if Bill Gates donated $1 billion to our school so that we could hire the entire Kansas City Chiefs staff? What if we built a time machine and sent RGIII back in time to 2011 so he could fill in for Sawyer Robertson? These are fun, what are some other interesting fantasies?

bear2be2 said:

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BellCountyBear said:

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I've heard rumors that they don't like each other, yet Orgeron's son is on Aranda's staff. Why wouldn't we hire Daddy as a consultant or some other titled position? What could it hurt?

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Because he's a train wreck -- and outside of one season with a bunch of All-Pro NFL skill talent a pretty bad coach.

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I'm not making a case to hire the guy, but he was 57-22 at USC and LSU.
It takes more than 1 good season to do that.

boykin_spaniel said:

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Rumored he may have slept with students, he definitely apparently tried to pick up a boosters wife at a gas station, among other things. Heck, if Aranda doesn't like him it might because O tried to pick up his wife.

He's a great interview but as said above a ticking time bomb.

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Great interview? He's life interviewing Coach Fran from The Waterboy. LOL.

IowaBear said:

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You didn't say off the field. You said train wreck. And that Dave Aranda is . He also managed to win with a group of really good now NFL players developed by the prior staff. Your whole sentence was Dave Aranda in a nutshell

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Just to be clear are you actually advocating for us to hire Coach O?

Because there are different kinds of train wrecks. And while Dave might embarrass us on the field, I actually really respect the fact that he doesn't embarrass us off it.

Dave is a capable adult who is struggling to be a good head coach. Orgeron is bad a head coach and a bad headache off the field too.

No where did I advocate anything… quit putting words into my mouth… that "bad HC" is about 10x the coach our dumbass of a coach is. So I'd hate to hear your thoughts on Dave's coaching abilities if O is a bad coach in your eyes. Glad we've reached the point of celebrating the fact that Dave only embarrasses us on the field not off

I wonder if Fat Pat could fix our defense? Stranger things have happened: look who's on the toad sideline these days.

I wonder if Ogeron would be so happy to see you all and appreciate it?

241Bear said:

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I wonder if Fat Pat could fix our defense? Stranger things have happened: look who's on the toad sideline these days.

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That would be wild huh lol

What's the deal with all these no content posts by DAC?

Is it a "to the top" thing? Just curious.