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Method Man
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morethanhecouldbear said:

Method Man said:

CTbruin said:

So much incorrect info here

Yes, she was a very successful coach. But extremely high maintenance and hard to work with according to many.

She as well as us are better off with her departure.

Can someone please explain why?
We are not better off without her - to think that or suggest it is to embrace stupidity.
As of right now I agree with you.....but to Coach Collen's credit she has brought home a BIGXII Championship.

If she can get us back to the Final Four we officially (if we are not already there) become a Blue Blood in Womens Hoops.
Plenty of schools have had to replace a legend, and lot of them kept on rolling. This is a new position for Baylor University because we've never replaced anyone as successful as Mulkey.

I met Coach Mulkey when I was in school....and yes she can be intense....but I never really cared as long as she was bringing home those BIGXII Titles and National Championships.

Really elite athletes and coaches tend to have a very big ego....its part of what makes them so successful. The complaints of Coach Mulkey being mean or wanting things to be her way.....thats the price you pay for having a premier coach.

Method Man
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boykin_spaniel said:

I'm a neutral party as I have no facts but the anti Mulkey camp says she became too big for her britches. Making outlandish demands and being petty when she didn't get her way. LSU job opened and they offered a fat check that our admin wasn't going to counter due to her behavior, so she took it.

The truth usually lies in the middle. Was she being petty? Probably. Is she one of the greatest coaches of all time that our administration should've worked harder to keep around? More than likely yes. Should we give Coach Collen a chance? Yes. Not her fault she has to replace a GOAT. Beating Utah is a good sign.
This paragraph sums up my thoughts on the Coach Mulkey departure.
I will always love and appreciate what Coach Mulkey did for Baylor University, but its time to support Coach Collen.
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boykin_spaniel said:

The truth usually lies in the middle. Was she being petty? Probably. Is she one of the greatest coaches of all time that our administration should've worked harder to keep around? More than likely yes. Should we give Coach Collen a chance? Yes. Not her fault she has to replace a GOAT. Beating Utah is a good sign.
I think that's a good way to sum it up.
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Method Man said:

morethanhecouldbear said:

Method Man said:

CTbruin said:

So much incorrect info here

Yes, she was a very successful coach. But extremely high maintenance and hard to work with according to many.

She as well as us are better off with her departure.

Can someone please explain why?
We are not better off without her - to think that or suggest it is to embrace stupidity.
As of right now I agree with you.....but to Coach Collen's credit she has brought home a BIGXII Championship.

If she can get us back to the Final Four we officially (if we are not already there) become a Blue Blood in Womens Hoops.
Plenty of schools have had to replace a legend, and lot of them kept on rolling. This is a new position for Baylor University because we've never replaced anyone as successful as Mulkey.

I met Coach Mulkey when I was in school....and yes she can be intense....but I never really cared as long as she was bringing home those BIGXII Titles and National Championships.

Really elite athletes and coaches tend to have a very big ego....its part of what makes them so successful. The complaints of Coach Mulkey being mean or wanting things to be her way.....thats the price you pay for having a premier coach.


Which WBB schools are you thinking of that kept on rolling? The ones I can think of took a dip right after the legend left, whether it was due to illness, retirement, or otherwise. I am thinking of, just to name a few, Tennessee (Summitt), Notre Dame (McGraw), Texas (Conradt), Duke (Goestenkors), Texas Tech (Sharpe), La Tech (Barmore), and if I had to bet, I would bet UConn faces the same situation when Geno is finished. Same goes for Tara at Stanford.

For some the dip was brief, at least to get back into the championship contending conversations, but none of those teams have really gotten back to where they were at their best. Notre Dame didn't even make the tournament the year after Muffet retired, but they are coming back but nowhere near what they were in her heyday. Baylor obviously dropped off, but if CNC can continue the recruiting and transfer portal as she has been thus far, there is certainly reason to believe that our drop will not be as bad as it could have been considering the disastrous roster situation she inherited because pretty much all the players KM had brought in as transfers flew the coop before Nikki had time to settle in. Yes, she was left a great one in Smith, but beyond the starting five that bench had a lot of empty chairs. I remember at the time some here were concerned as to whether we could even field a team that first year. And last year lack of depth completely destroyed the girls' legs by the time tournament time came around.

There is a reason why those teams mentioned above and yes, Baylor, is going to find it hard to reach the sustained and consistent heights they reached during the time the legend was coaching. It is not so much because of who is put into the coach's chair. The reason is parity in the game which has just gotten going full bore over the last 5-10 years. For most, if not all of those teams I mentioned above, the competition level outside of themselves was just not there when they were building their reputation. After the top 10, perhaps 15 teams there was a tremendous drop off. That no longer exists, and with the portal and the proliferation of great players at the high school level, I just don't see any team that is going to be as consistent at reaching the FF as was the case with Tennessee and UConn in the past.

So while some of the teams that had legend WBB coaches leave are still names we recognize in today's conversations, I think it is not accurate to say they just kept on rolling. They all had their hiccups immediately after the legend's departure. Football is a different story. There are several schools you might could list that just kept on rolling without a dip. But I just can't think of any in WBB where that has been the case.


Method Man
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blackie said:

Method Man said:

morethanhecouldbear said:

Method Man said:

CTbruin said:

So much incorrect info here

Yes, she was a very successful coach. But extremely high maintenance and hard to work with according to many.

She as well as us are better off with her departure.

Can someone please explain why?
We are not better off without her - to think that or suggest it is to embrace stupidity.
As of right now I agree with you.....but to Coach Collen's credit she has brought home a BIGXII Championship.

If she can get us back to the Final Four we officially (if we are not already there) become a Blue Blood in Womens Hoops.
Plenty of schools have had to replace a legend, and lot of them kept on rolling. This is a new position for Baylor University because we've never replaced anyone as successful as Mulkey.

I met Coach Mulkey when I was in school....and yes she can be intense....but I never really cared as long as she was bringing home those BIGXII Titles and National Championships.

Really elite athletes and coaches tend to have a very big ego....its part of what makes them so successful. The complaints of Coach Mulkey being mean or wanting things to be her way.....thats the price you pay for having a premier coach.


Which WBB schools are you thinking of that kept on rolling? The ones I can think of took a dip right after the legend left, whether it was due to illness, retirement, or otherwise. I am thinking of, just to name a few, Tennessee (Summitt), Notre Dame (McGraw), Texas (Conradt), Duke (Goestenkors), Texas Tech (Sharpe), La Tech (Barmore), and if I had to bet, I would bet UConn faces the same situation when Geno is finished. Same goes for Tara at Stanford.

For some the dip was brief, at least to get back into the championship contending conversations, but none of those teams have really gotten back to where they were at their best. Notre Dame didn't even make the tournament the year after Muffet retired, but they are coming back but nowhere near what they were in her heyday. Baylor obviously dropped off, but if CNC can continue the recruiting and transfer portal as she has been thus far, there is certainly reason to believe that our drop will not be as bad as it could have been considering the disastrous roster situation she inherited because pretty much all the players KM had brought in as transfers flew the coop before Nikki had time to settle in. Yes, she was left a great one in Smith, but beyond the starting five that bench had a lot of empty chairs. I remember at the time some here were concerned as to whether we could even field a team that first year. And last year lack of depth completely destroyed the girls' legs by the time tournament time came around.

There is a reason why those teams mentioned above and yes, Baylor, is going to find it hard to reach the sustained and consistent heights they reached during the time the legend was coaching. It is not so much because of who is put into the coach's chair. The reason is parity in the game which has just gotten going full bore over the last 5-10 years. For most, if not all of those teams I mentioned above, the competition level outside of themselves was just not there when they were building their reputation. After the top 10, perhaps 15 teams there was a tremendous drop off. That no longer exists, and with the portal and the proliferation of great players at the high school level, I just don't see any team that is going to be as consistent at reaching the FF as was the case with Tennessee and UConn in the past.

So while some of the teams that had legend WBB coaches leave are still names we recognize in today's conversations, I think it is not accurate to say they just kept on rolling. They all had their hiccups immediately after the legend's departure. Football is a different story. There are several schools you might could list that just kept on rolling without a dip. But I just can't think of any in WBB where that has been the case.



I'm not really sure about Womens Hoops, but programs like Kansas, North Carolina and UConn kept competing (and winning titles) after the departure of a legendary coach.

This is a new situation for us because we were garbage at sports before we hired Mulkey. We've never had to replace a coach of her stature.

My initial point remains....if other schools can do it there is no reason we can't also do it. Coach Collen already has a BIGXII title to her resume. She needs to get this program back to the Final Four.
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Method Man said:

blackie said:

Method Man said:

morethanhecouldbear said:

Method Man said:

CTbruin said:

So much incorrect info here

Yes, she was a very successful coach. But extremely high maintenance and hard to work with according to many.

She as well as us are better off with her departure.

Can someone please explain why?
We are not better off without her - to think that or suggest it is to embrace stupidity.
As of right now I agree with you.....but to Coach Collen's credit she has brought home a BIGXII Championship.

If she can get us back to the Final Four we officially (if we are not already there) become a Blue Blood in Womens Hoops.
Plenty of schools have had to replace a legend, and lot of them kept on rolling. This is a new position for Baylor University because we've never replaced anyone as successful as Mulkey.

I met Coach Mulkey when I was in school....and yes she can be intense....but I never really cared as long as she was bringing home those BIGXII Titles and National Championships.

Really elite athletes and coaches tend to have a very big ego....its part of what makes them so successful. The complaints of Coach Mulkey being mean or wanting things to be her way.....thats the price you pay for having a premier coach.


Which WBB schools are you thinking of that kept on rolling? The ones I can think of took a dip right after the legend left, whether it was due to illness, retirement, or otherwise. I am thinking of, just to name a few, Tennessee (Summitt), Notre Dame (McGraw), Texas (Conradt), Duke (Goestenkors), Texas Tech (Sharpe), La Tech (Barmore), and if I had to bet, I would bet UConn faces the same situation when Geno is finished. Same goes for Tara at Stanford.

For some the dip was brief, at least to get back into the championship contending conversations, but none of those teams have really gotten back to where they were at their best. Notre Dame didn't even make the tournament the year after Muffet retired, but they are coming back but nowhere near what they were in her heyday. Baylor obviously dropped off, but if CNC can continue the recruiting and transfer portal as she has been thus far, there is certainly reason to believe that our drop will not be as bad as it could have been considering the disastrous roster situation she inherited because pretty much all the players KM had brought in as transfers flew the coop before Nikki had time to settle in. Yes, she was left a great one in Smith, but beyond the starting five that bench had a lot of empty chairs. I remember at the time some here were concerned as to whether we could even field a team that first year. And last year lack of depth completely destroyed the girls' legs by the time tournament time came around.

There is a reason why those teams mentioned above and yes, Baylor, is going to find it hard to reach the sustained and consistent heights they reached during the time the legend was coaching. It is not so much because of who is put into the coach's chair. The reason is parity in the game which has just gotten going full bore over the last 5-10 years. For most, if not all of those teams I mentioned above, the competition level outside of themselves was just not there when they were building their reputation. After the top 10, perhaps 15 teams there was a tremendous drop off. That no longer exists, and with the portal and the proliferation of great players at the high school level, I just don't see any team that is going to be as consistent at reaching the FF as was the case with Tennessee and UConn in the past.

So while some of the teams that had legend WBB coaches leave are still names we recognize in today's conversations, I think it is not accurate to say they just kept on rolling. They all had their hiccups immediately after the legend's departure. Football is a different story. There are several schools you might could list that just kept on rolling without a dip. But I just can't think of any in WBB where that has been the case.



I'm not really sure about Womens Hoops, but programs like Kansas, North Carolina and UConn kept competing (and winning titles) after the departure of a legendary coach.

This is a new situation for us because we were garbage at sports before we hired Mulkey. We've never had to replace a coach of her stature.

My initial point remains....if other schools can do it there is no reason we can't also do it. Coach Collen already has a BIGXII title to her resume. She needs to get this program back to the Final Four.

i wonder if any of those schools decided to let their legendary coaches walk while they were still great and then build a new stadium on the other side of a major freeway, away from campus
morethanhecouldbear
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thales said:

Method Man said:

blackie said:

Method Man said:

morethanhecouldbear said:

Method Man said:

CTbruin said:

So much incorrect info here

Yes, she was a very successful coach. But extremely high maintenance and hard to work with according to many.

She as well as us are better off with her departure.

Can someone please explain why?
We are not better off without her - to think that or suggest it is to embrace stupidity.
As of right now I agree with you.....but to Coach Collen's credit she has brought home a BIGXII Championship.

If she can get us back to the Final Four we officially (if we are not already there) become a Blue Blood in Womens Hoops.
Plenty of schools have had to replace a legend, and lot of them kept on rolling. This is a new position for Baylor University because we've never replaced anyone as successful as Mulkey.

I met Coach Mulkey when I was in school....and yes she can be intense....but I never really cared as long as she was bringing home those BIGXII Titles and National Championships.

Really elite athletes and coaches tend to have a very big ego....its part of what makes them so successful. The complaints of Coach Mulkey being mean or wanting things to be her way.....thats the price you pay for having a premier coach.


Which WBB schools are you thinking of that kept on rolling? The ones I can think of took a dip right after the legend left, whether it was due to illness, retirement, or otherwise. I am thinking of, just to name a few, Tennessee (Summitt), Notre Dame (McGraw), Texas (Conradt), Duke (Goestenkors), Texas Tech (Sharpe), La Tech (Barmore), and if I had to bet, I would bet UConn faces the same situation when Geno is finished. Same goes for Tara at Stanford.

For some the dip was brief, at least to get back into the championship contending conversations, but none of those teams have really gotten back to where they were at their best. Notre Dame didn't even make the tournament the year after Muffet retired, but they are coming back but nowhere near what they were in her heyday. Baylor obviously dropped off, but if CNC can continue the recruiting and transfer portal as she has been thus far, there is certainly reason to believe that our drop will not be as bad as it could have been considering the disastrous roster situation she inherited because pretty much all the players KM had brought in as transfers flew the coop before Nikki had time to settle in. Yes, she was left a great one in Smith, but beyond the starting five that bench had a lot of empty chairs. I remember at the time some here were concerned as to whether we could even field a team that first year. And last year lack of depth completely destroyed the girls' legs by the time tournament time came around.

There is a reason why those teams mentioned above and yes, Baylor, is going to find it hard to reach the sustained and consistent heights they reached during the time the legend was coaching. It is not so much because of who is put into the coach's chair. The reason is parity in the game which has just gotten going full bore over the last 5-10 years. For most, if not all of those teams I mentioned above, the competition level outside of themselves was just not there when they were building their reputation. After the top 10, perhaps 15 teams there was a tremendous drop off. That no longer exists, and with the portal and the proliferation of great players at the high school level, I just don't see any team that is going to be as consistent at reaching the FF as was the case with Tennessee and UConn in the past.

So while some of the teams that had legend WBB coaches leave are still names we recognize in today's conversations, I think it is not accurate to say they just kept on rolling. They all had their hiccups immediately after the legend's departure. Football is a different story. There are several schools you might could list that just kept on rolling without a dip. But I just can't think of any in WBB where that has been the case.



I'm not really sure about Womens Hoops, but programs like Kansas, North Carolina and UConn kept competing (and winning titles) after the departure of a legendary coach.

This is a new situation for us because we were garbage at sports before we hired Mulkey. We've never had to replace a coach of her stature.

My initial point remains....if other schools can do it there is no reason we can't also do it. Coach Collen already has a BIGXII title to her resume. She needs to get this program back to the Final Four.

i wonder if any of those schools decided to let their legendary coaches walk while they were still great and then build a new stadium on the other side of a major freeway, away from campus
OK that is funny. But hopefully you are not going to be like the Briles supporters on this site and not let things go after +7 years.
Method Man
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thales said:

Method Man said:

blackie said:

Method Man said:

morethanhecouldbear said:

Method Man said:

CTbruin said:

So much incorrect info here

Yes, she was a very successful coach. But extremely high maintenance and hard to work with according to many.

She as well as us are better off with her departure.

Can someone please explain why?
We are not better off without her - to think that or suggest it is to embrace stupidity.
As of right now I agree with you.....but to Coach Collen's credit she has brought home a BIGXII Championship.

If she can get us back to the Final Four we officially (if we are not already there) become a Blue Blood in Womens Hoops.
Plenty of schools have had to replace a legend, and lot of them kept on rolling. This is a new position for Baylor University because we've never replaced anyone as successful as Mulkey.

I met Coach Mulkey when I was in school....and yes she can be intense....but I never really cared as long as she was bringing home those BIGXII Titles and National Championships.

Really elite athletes and coaches tend to have a very big ego....its part of what makes them so successful. The complaints of Coach Mulkey being mean or wanting things to be her way.....thats the price you pay for having a premier coach.


Which WBB schools are you thinking of that kept on rolling? The ones I can think of took a dip right after the legend left, whether it was due to illness, retirement, or otherwise. I am thinking of, just to name a few, Tennessee (Summitt), Notre Dame (McGraw), Texas (Conradt), Duke (Goestenkors), Texas Tech (Sharpe), La Tech (Barmore), and if I had to bet, I would bet UConn faces the same situation when Geno is finished. Same goes for Tara at Stanford.

For some the dip was brief, at least to get back into the championship contending conversations, but none of those teams have really gotten back to where they were at their best. Notre Dame didn't even make the tournament the year after Muffet retired, but they are coming back but nowhere near what they were in her heyday. Baylor obviously dropped off, but if CNC can continue the recruiting and transfer portal as she has been thus far, there is certainly reason to believe that our drop will not be as bad as it could have been considering the disastrous roster situation she inherited because pretty much all the players KM had brought in as transfers flew the coop before Nikki had time to settle in. Yes, she was left a great one in Smith, but beyond the starting five that bench had a lot of empty chairs. I remember at the time some here were concerned as to whether we could even field a team that first year. And last year lack of depth completely destroyed the girls' legs by the time tournament time came around.

There is a reason why those teams mentioned above and yes, Baylor, is going to find it hard to reach the sustained and consistent heights they reached during the time the legend was coaching. It is not so much because of who is put into the coach's chair. The reason is parity in the game which has just gotten going full bore over the last 5-10 years. For most, if not all of those teams I mentioned above, the competition level outside of themselves was just not there when they were building their reputation. After the top 10, perhaps 15 teams there was a tremendous drop off. That no longer exists, and with the portal and the proliferation of great players at the high school level, I just don't see any team that is going to be as consistent at reaching the FF as was the case with Tennessee and UConn in the past.

So while some of the teams that had legend WBB coaches leave are still names we recognize in today's conversations, I think it is not accurate to say they just kept on rolling. They all had their hiccups immediately after the legend's departure. Football is a different story. There are several schools you might could list that just kept on rolling without a dip. But I just can't think of any in WBB where that has been the case.



I'm not really sure about Womens Hoops, but programs like Kansas, North Carolina and UConn kept competing (and winning titles) after the departure of a legendary coach.

This is a new situation for us because we were garbage at sports before we hired Mulkey. We've never had to replace a coach of her stature.

My initial point remains....if other schools can do it there is no reason we can't also do it. Coach Collen already has a BIGXII title to her resume. She needs to get this program back to the Final Four.

i wonder if any of those schools decided to let their legendary coaches walk while they were still great and then build a new stadium on the other side of a major freeway, away from campus

Quote:

Late in his career he saw his team sanctioned for NCAA recruiting violations and banned from the 2013 NCAA tournament because of poor academic performance. And he has attracted as much criticism for questionable recruiting tactics as he has praise for transforming a once irrelevant school in Storrs, Conn., into a college basketball power.

Billy Packer, the former longtime CBS analyst, said that if UConn does not leave the diminished Big East for a power conference, "whoever succeeds Jim basically has no chance. That was the greatest building of a basketball program in intercollegiate sports history. No one took a program and brought it where he took it. He cannot be duplicated, kind of like Obama with Clinton now."

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Then in 2011, after the NCAA found recruiting violations at UConn, Calhoun was cited by the NCAA for failing to create an atmosphere of compliance. He was suspended for the first three Big East games of last season. The NCAA also reduced scholarships and restricted UConns recruiting.


https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaab/bigeast/2012/09/13/jim-calhoun-connecticut-legacy/1422572/

UConn encouraged Jim Calhoun to retire (kind of like Bob Stoops) because of a lot of heat coming to their program. A lot of people thought that UConn's days of being an elite program were done, because Calhoun was the first great Connecticut coach.

2 years later Kevin Ollie won UConn's 4th National Title, and last year Dan Hurley became the 3rd coach to win a National Championship at Connecticut.

I don't see why Coach Collen can't accomplish the same things here at Baylor.
RightRevBear
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thales said:

Method Man said:

blackie said:

Method Man said:

morethanhecouldbear said:

Method Man said:

CTbruin said:

So much incorrect info here

Yes, she was a very successful coach. But extremely high maintenance and hard to work with according to many.

She as well as us are better off with her departure.

Can someone please explain why?
We are not better off without her - to think that or suggest it is to embrace stupidity.
As of right now I agree with you.....but to Coach Collen's credit she has brought home a BIGXII Championship.

If she can get us back to the Final Four we officially (if we are not already there) become a Blue Blood in Womens Hoops.
Plenty of schools have had to replace a legend, and lot of them kept on rolling. This is a new position for Baylor University because we've never replaced anyone as successful as Mulkey.

I met Coach Mulkey when I was in school....and yes she can be intense....but I never really cared as long as she was bringing home those BIGXII Titles and National Championships.

Really elite athletes and coaches tend to have a very big ego....its part of what makes them so successful. The complaints of Coach Mulkey being mean or wanting things to be her way.....thats the price you pay for having a premier coach.


Which WBB schools are you thinking of that kept on rolling? The ones I can think of took a dip right after the legend left, whether it was due to illness, retirement, or otherwise. I am thinking of, just to name a few, Tennessee (Summitt), Notre Dame (McGraw), Texas (Conradt), Duke (Goestenkors), Texas Tech (Sharpe), La Tech (Barmore), and if I had to bet, I would bet UConn faces the same situation when Geno is finished. Same goes for Tara at Stanford.

For some the dip was brief, at least to get back into the championship contending conversations, but none of those teams have really gotten back to where they were at their best. Notre Dame didn't even make the tournament the year after Muffet retired, but they are coming back but nowhere near what they were in her heyday. Baylor obviously dropped off, but if CNC can continue the recruiting and transfer portal as she has been thus far, there is certainly reason to believe that our drop will not be as bad as it could have been considering the disastrous roster situation she inherited because pretty much all the players KM had brought in as transfers flew the coop before Nikki had time to settle in. Yes, she was left a great one in Smith, but beyond the starting five that bench had a lot of empty chairs. I remember at the time some here were concerned as to whether we could even field a team that first year. And last year lack of depth completely destroyed the girls' legs by the time tournament time came around.

There is a reason why those teams mentioned above and yes, Baylor, is going to find it hard to reach the sustained and consistent heights they reached during the time the legend was coaching. It is not so much because of who is put into the coach's chair. The reason is parity in the game which has just gotten going full bore over the last 5-10 years. For most, if not all of those teams I mentioned above, the competition level outside of themselves was just not there when they were building their reputation. After the top 10, perhaps 15 teams there was a tremendous drop off. That no longer exists, and with the portal and the proliferation of great players at the high school level, I just don't see any team that is going to be as consistent at reaching the FF as was the case with Tennessee and UConn in the past.

So while some of the teams that had legend WBB coaches leave are still names we recognize in today's conversations, I think it is not accurate to say they just kept on rolling. They all had their hiccups immediately after the legend's departure. Football is a different story. There are several schools you might could list that just kept on rolling without a dip. But I just can't think of any in WBB where that has been the case.



I'm not really sure about Womens Hoops, but programs like Kansas, North Carolina and UConn kept competing (and winning titles) after the departure of a legendary coach.

This is a new situation for us because we were garbage at sports before we hired Mulkey. We've never had to replace a coach of her stature.

My initial point remains....if other schools can do it there is no reason we can't also do it. Coach Collen already has a BIGXII title to her resume. She needs to get this program back to the Final Four.

i wonder if any of those schools decided to let their legendary coaches walk while they were still great and then build a new stadium on the other side of a major freeway, away from campus


Are you still whining about crossing under the freeway? Would you feel safer if the adults on this board took turns meeting you outside of your dorm to walk you under the scary interstate?

It is just as much if not more on-campus as McLane Stadium. It is closer to all the dorms than the Ferrell Center. When you add buildings along the edge of campus the geographical footprint of the campus grows? The campus was a lot smaller when I started at Baylor. There was a church where the North Village dorms are located. The parking garage by the seminary was the Baylor Landing Apartments. Where the Hurd was Lupitas, IHOP, Quiznos, Bangkok Royal, a Pho place, and a dry cleaners, since campuses can't expand I guess none of those buildings are on-campus.

PS- Truett Seminary is technically not on the main Baylor campus. It is on the Baugh-Reynolds campus.
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RightRevBear said:

thales said:

Method Man said:

blackie said:

Method Man said:

morethanhecouldbear said:

Method Man said:

CTbruin said:

So much incorrect info here

Yes, she was a very successful coach. But extremely high maintenance and hard to work with according to many.

She as well as us are better off with her departure.

Can someone please explain why?
We are not better off without her - to think that or suggest it is to embrace stupidity.
As of right now I agree with you.....but to Coach Collen's credit she has brought home a BIGXII Championship.

If she can get us back to the Final Four we officially (if we are not already there) become a Blue Blood in Womens Hoops.
Plenty of schools have had to replace a legend, and lot of them kept on rolling. This is a new position for Baylor University because we've never replaced anyone as successful as Mulkey.

I met Coach Mulkey when I was in school....and yes she can be intense....but I never really cared as long as she was bringing home those BIGXII Titles and National Championships.

Really elite athletes and coaches tend to have a very big ego....its part of what makes them so successful. The complaints of Coach Mulkey being mean or wanting things to be her way.....thats the price you pay for having a premier coach.


Which WBB schools are you thinking of that kept on rolling? The ones I can think of took a dip right after the legend left, whether it was due to illness, retirement, or otherwise. I am thinking of, just to name a few, Tennessee (Summitt), Notre Dame (McGraw), Texas (Conradt), Duke (Goestenkors), Texas Tech (Sharpe), La Tech (Barmore), and if I had to bet, I would bet UConn faces the same situation when Geno is finished. Same goes for Tara at Stanford.

For some the dip was brief, at least to get back into the championship contending conversations, but none of those teams have really gotten back to where they were at their best. Notre Dame didn't even make the tournament the year after Muffet retired, but they are coming back but nowhere near what they were in her heyday. Baylor obviously dropped off, but if CNC can continue the recruiting and transfer portal as she has been thus far, there is certainly reason to believe that our drop will not be as bad as it could have been considering the disastrous roster situation she inherited because pretty much all the players KM had brought in as transfers flew the coop before Nikki had time to settle in. Yes, she was left a great one in Smith, but beyond the starting five that bench had a lot of empty chairs. I remember at the time some here were concerned as to whether we could even field a team that first year. And last year lack of depth completely destroyed the girls' legs by the time tournament time came around.

There is a reason why those teams mentioned above and yes, Baylor, is going to find it hard to reach the sustained and consistent heights they reached during the time the legend was coaching. It is not so much because of who is put into the coach's chair. The reason is parity in the game which has just gotten going full bore over the last 5-10 years. For most, if not all of those teams I mentioned above, the competition level outside of themselves was just not there when they were building their reputation. After the top 10, perhaps 15 teams there was a tremendous drop off. That no longer exists, and with the portal and the proliferation of great players at the high school level, I just don't see any team that is going to be as consistent at reaching the FF as was the case with Tennessee and UConn in the past.

So while some of the teams that had legend WBB coaches leave are still names we recognize in today's conversations, I think it is not accurate to say they just kept on rolling. They all had their hiccups immediately after the legend's departure. Football is a different story. There are several schools you might could list that just kept on rolling without a dip. But I just can't think of any in WBB where that has been the case.



I'm not really sure about Womens Hoops, but programs like Kansas, North Carolina and UConn kept competing (and winning titles) after the departure of a legendary coach.

This is a new situation for us because we were garbage at sports before we hired Mulkey. We've never had to replace a coach of her stature.

My initial point remains....if other schools can do it there is no reason we can't also do it. Coach Collen already has a BIGXII title to her resume. She needs to get this program back to the Final Four.

i wonder if any of those schools decided to let their legendary coaches walk while they were still great and then build a new stadium on the other side of a major freeway, away from campus


Are you still whining about crossing under the freeway? Would you feel safer if the adults on this board took turns meeting you outside of your dorm to walk you under the scary interstate?

It is just as much if not more on-campus as McLane Stadium. It is closer to all the dorms than the Ferrell Center. When you add buildings along the edge of campus the geographical footprint of the campus grows? The campus was a lot smaller when I started at Baylor. There was a church where the North Village dorms are located. The parking garage by the seminary was the Baylor Landing Apartments. Where the Hurd was Lupitas, IHOP, Quiznos, Bangkok Royal, a Pho place, and a dry cleaners, since campuses can't expand I guess none of those buildings are on-campus.

PS- Truett Seminary is technically not on the main Baylor campus. It is on the Baugh-Reynolds campus.
don't try to reason with this mouthbreathing simpleton.
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Like others, I can see both sides of the Mulkey debate. Baylor is a place where a national championship can be won in any sport. To me it comes down to whether you are willing to put up with what it takes to win. Mack has an ego the size of Texas, but he has shown he is not able to put up with others who do.

Mulkey and Matt Knoll and others were notoriously difficult but did not run dirty programs and were good in the community. I'd rather have an AD who can manage championship egos than an AD who has such big ego himself that he can't stand to be challenged.

Mack is on his last leg. He looks old and tired and is bumbling through press conferences with a bunch of excuses. He did a good job getting Baylor through a tough time but he is not the guy who is going to make the hires we need to win more championships.

It's time for some new leadership.
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thales
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boognish_bear said:


"THIS IS INSANE"

over the top reactions are another reason to dislike social media
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ScottS said:

thales said:

BUGWBBear said:

jikespingleton said:

BUGWBBear said:

blackie said:

BUGWBBear said:

blackie said:

jikespingleton said:

blackie said:

Krieg said:

blackie said:

Krieg said:

blackie said:

Anyone think she would have left for anywhere else than to Louisiana (LSU)? Home means something, especially as you get older. I would have gone no matter what I was offered at Baylor. If you aren't of retirement age or close to it and are living away from a place you love, you can't understand. I don't think any of it was about money. Personally if I was her, I would have taken a pay cut. I can see why she has been reinvigorated. Getting home has seemed to have given her new energy.


So she kept her house in Waco because LSU is home? Gotcha.
Gee thanks. I never knew she was born and raised in Texas. Louisiana is her home. LSU just happens to be the really only viable big-time school in the state. I can have a house and property anywhere. That doesn't mean that when you get down to the nitty gritty I would call it "home" and where I would most like to be to get back to my roots.

BTW, you didn't answer the question. Given no change in circumstances, do you believe she would have gone anywhere else than to a Louisiana school, and as mentioned above LSU is the only real option there to stay big-time? I think that if that job didn't happen to be open at exactly the right time she would still be here or retired.


She and Mack didn't get along and hadn't for his entire tenure. That's why she left. The home thing is just a sales pitch to people that can't see the facts. I'm sure there aren't many jobs she'd have gone to, but her daughter and grandkids are in Waco and she kept her house in Waco. You can pretend her home is in Louisiana, but if you've ever met a grandmother you know her home is in Waco.
I like what I see in the new coach.
What is there to like about getting progressively worse each season? The internal improvements?
I notice by your profile you have never posted on the WBB forum. Do you even follow the program? We have a top 20 team that is now loaded with talent and experience after having to deal with depth issues and holes left when KM left. IF CDA used the transfer portal as well as CNC has, we wouldn't be having such dire posts on the football forum.


When Nikki brings back a trophy, then brag. Until then, jury is out.
Exactly what in my post is not fact?


No Nattys
I like Nattys.

I like championships too.


Those only come from coaches with the killer instinct. We don't have one anymore.
if we are to believe posters in here, we should be happy she is gone and now parking is easier too, so everyone wins


I did not create this thread to be a discussion of Mulkey but rather he salary now going into men's sports and if we are getting a good ROI.
Coming from a guy who spams tons of threads unrelated to Briles with, "Bring back Briles".
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jikespingleton said:

ScottS said:

thales said:

BUGWBBear said:

jikespingleton said:

BUGWBBear said:

blackie said:

BUGWBBear said:

blackie said:

jikespingleton said:

blackie said:

Krieg said:

blackie said:

Krieg said:

blackie said:

Anyone think she would have left for anywhere else than to Louisiana (LSU)? Home means something, especially as you get older. I would have gone no matter what I was offered at Baylor. If you aren't of retirement age or close to it and are living away from a place you love, you can't understand. I don't think any of it was about money. Personally if I was her, I would have taken a pay cut. I can see why she has been reinvigorated. Getting home has seemed to have given her new energy.


So she kept her house in Waco because LSU is home? Gotcha.
Gee thanks. I never knew she was born and raised in Texas. Louisiana is her home. LSU just happens to be the really only viable big-time school in the state. I can have a house and property anywhere. That doesn't mean that when you get down to the nitty gritty I would call it "home" and where I would most like to be to get back to my roots.

BTW, you didn't answer the question. Given no change in circumstances, do you believe she would have gone anywhere else than to a Louisiana school, and as mentioned above LSU is the only real option there to stay big-time? I think that if that job didn't happen to be open at exactly the right time she would still be here or retired.


She and Mack didn't get along and hadn't for his entire tenure. That's why she left. The home thing is just a sales pitch to people that can't see the facts. I'm sure there aren't many jobs she'd have gone to, but her daughter and grandkids are in Waco and she kept her house in Waco. You can pretend her home is in Louisiana, but if you've ever met a grandmother you know her home is in Waco.
I like what I see in the new coach.
What is there to like about getting progressively worse each season? The internal improvements?
I notice by your profile you have never posted on the WBB forum. Do you even follow the program? We have a top 20 team that is now loaded with talent and experience after having to deal with depth issues and holes left when KM left. IF CDA used the transfer portal as well as CNC has, we wouldn't be having such dire posts on the football forum.


When Nikki brings back a trophy, then brag. Until then, jury is out.
Exactly what in my post is not fact?


No Nattys
I like Nattys.

I like championships too.


Those only come from coaches with the killer instinct. We don't have one anymore.
if we are to believe posters in here, we should be happy she is gone and now parking is easier too, so everyone wins


I did not create this thread to be a discussion of Mulkey but rather he salary now going into men's sports and if we are getting a good ROI.
Coming from a guy who spams tons of threads with "Bring back Briles".


Briles was a winner
 
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