According to ESPN FPI Baylor will have 17th easiest schedule of P4 teams

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boognish_bear
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With 8 homes games last year we couldn't capitalize. Can we capitalize on a supposedly easier schedule?

I know these preseason lists are taken with a grain of salt because we really won't know the real strength of the teams we are playing until we are into October probably.

Aberzombie1892
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It's wild that ESPN put 14/16 Big 12 teams in its list of top 25 teams with easiest schedules.
Space Cutter
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Poor Aranda, if he's got the 17th easiest schedule and has a losing record this season then his days are numbered. Betting line is Patterson takes over HC by mid season
Mcmc
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FanDuel has the Bears season win total at 5 1/2 @ +140.

That is priced to most believing that they can't double last years win total (3). But, this is Sic'em 365 so I'm going to stay optimistic and make an over play.

Sic'em Bears
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ImwithBU
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boognish_bear said:

With 8 homes games last year we couldn't capitalize. Can we capitalize on a supposedly easier schedule?

I know these preseason lists are taken with a grain of salt because we really won't know the real strength of the teams we are playing until we are into October probably.



This is a bull**** list. How is damn near every Big12 team on the list. Talking about setting up a narrative for arguing about keeping teams out of the playoffs. You have to play other conferences to put this easy schedule stuff to rest
Daveisabovereproach
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One of many reasons why the goal of becoming bowl eligible with 6 wins doesn't tickle my pickle, and it shouldn't be seen as the benchmark to determine whether Aranda should keep his job
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ImwithBU said:

boognish_bear said:

With 8 homes games last year we couldn't capitalize. Can we capitalize on a supposedly easier schedule?

I know these preseason lists are taken with a grain of salt because we really won't know the real strength of the teams we are playing until we are into October probably.



This is a bull**** list. How is damn near every Big12 team on the list. Talking about setting up a narrative for arguing about keeping teams out of the playoffs. You have to play other conferences to put this easy schedule stuff to rest


The two Bigs along with ESPN has just begun. The "Slant" to separate is just going get bigger and bigger. Let's see what things look like 24-36 months from now. The Ivy League will be more comparable to us..
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I like that Notre Dame is #19 who will say their schedule is among the toughest in the country.
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Just call it the list ESPN and the P2 don't want in any playoff games because they're not attractive enough to TV viewers. Except for ND. They're only on the list because ESPN and the P2 are basically firing the first shot to tell ND it's time to join one of the P2s.
Mcmc
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Daveisabovereproach said:

One of many reasons why the goal of becoming bowl eligible with 6 wins doesn't tickle my pickle, and it shouldn't be seen as the benchmark to determine whether Aranda should keep his job



I believe coming off a three win season, to hit six wins , is a HUGE indicator and momentum push for the Bears. A Baylor bowl game = Another game, more revenue, increased viability for recruits and more practice reps for the nucleus of the team. If all of the above comes to fruition, I would imagine that Aranda will continue at Baylor.


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Baylor has no gimmes. Those days are over. Not one. These boys had better play every game like it is their last.
"Stand with anyone when he is right; Stand with him while he is right and part with him when he goes wrong." - Abraham Lincoln
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Mcmc said:

Daveisabovereproach said:

One of many reasons why the goal of becoming bowl eligible with 6 wins doesn't tickle my pickle, and it shouldn't be seen as the benchmark to determine whether Aranda should keep his job



I believe coming off a three win season, to hit six wins , is a HUGE indicator and momentum push for the Bears. A Baylor bowl game = Another game, more revenue, increased viability for recruits and more practice reps for the nucleus of the team. If all of the above comes to fruition, I would imagine that Aranda will continue at Baylor.






The goal of bowl eligibility is fine when it's 2010 and we haven't been to a bowl game in like 15 years. It is not OK in 2024 when you are three seasons removed from winning the conference, you have a recent history of success, and you're spending a lot of money on your program that appears to be dead in the water. Going 0.500 is such a low bar. I don't understand why five wins will be seen as this epic fail, but six wins means it's time to break out the chanpagne. That one extra win really has that much symbolic value? What if we lose the hypothetical bowl game? That's a losing season
Daveisabovereproach
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Also, as another poster stated, the increased number of practices associated with bowl eligibility was cool like 10 years ago, but it has much less meaning in the era of the transfer portal/playoffs with top players sitting out of bowl games and having to replace like 50% of your starters each season anyway
boognish_bear
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Tighten that chinstrap Blake Shapen

IowaBear
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We had a laughably easy schedule last year and lucked our way to 3-9….
Coaching matters and Dave Aranda is squarely at the bottom as far as B12 coaches go. No reason (yet) to believe we're any better than last year
SMack
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According to our ESPN overlords, we have the 17th easiest schedule among P4 teams, but 10th easiest in the Big XII (which is the 7th hardest).

I guess that means something.
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Aberzombie1892 said:

It's wild that ESPN put 14/16 Big 12 teams in its list of top 25 teams with easiest schedules.
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MrGolfguy
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boognish_bear said:

Tighten that chinstrap Blake Shapen


I wanted to see what a "hard" schedule looks like so I dove into Mississippi State's line-up to explore the "2nd hardest schedule in the nation". OK, they have 2 legit games against big boy teams (Georgia & Texas), but the rest is just perennial underacheivers, mediocre over-rateds, or plain patsies.
Ariz St, Florida, Arkansas, and Aggy are all mediocre, underacheivers, or both.
Tenn, Ole Miss, Mizzou -good teams last year but should fall back to their usual underperforming mediocre status this year.
Finally, take a look at their non-conf guantlet - Eastern Kentucky, UMass, & Toledo. Baylor gets crucified for schedules like that but $EC teams get a pass and nobody (media) dares to say a word about it.
Summary - "2nd hardest schedule in the nation"? Yeah, not impressed.
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Daveisabovereproach said:

One of many reasons why the goal of becoming bowl eligible with 6 wins doesn't tickle my pickle, and it shouldn't be seen as the benchmark to determine whether Aranda should keep his job

I agree, but given how things go at BU, rest assured if Aranda at least achieves that low bar he won't get canned even if we lose the bowl game - which would mean 4 of his 5 seasons have been losing ones.
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Johnny Bear said:

Daveisabovereproach said:

One of many reasons why the goal of becoming bowl eligible with 6 wins doesn't tickle my pickle, and it shouldn't be seen as the benchmark to determine whether Aranda should keep his job

I agree, but given how things go at BU, rest assured if Aranda at least achieves that low bar he won't get canned even if we lose the bowl game - which would mean 4 of his 5 seasons have been losing ones.
The challenge is that Baylor's financial situation was very different 5 years ago vs. today, and Baylor's financial future at D1A is more uncertain than it's ever been since the Big 12 was formed. For clarity, buying out a coaching staff for $20-30M and replacing that staff for $8-12M/year was a different conversation when:

1. UT/OU were Big 12 members,
2. NIL was not allowed,
3. the House settlement had not happened (i.e. settlement paid from future distributions from NCAA tournament), 4. the revenue distributions from the CFP was not so imbalanced,
5. the Big 12 media deal payouts were substantially similar to that of the B1G/SEC,
6. there were transfer restrictions,
7. revenue sharing with athletes was not on the table, and
8. The Big 12 was more visible with Fox/ESPN/etc.

Now, paying that amount would be quite difficult to justify unless there is essentially a perfect candidate available that is also willing to come to Baylor (i.e. rumors are Traylor is not), and, even in that scenario, there is (1) no guarantee that that coach would be successful here and (2) high risk to Baylor's financial/athletic stability by spending those resources in that manner. That's not to say that a bad coach should be kept at all costs, but it is to say that the best-case scenario for Baylor is that Aranda turns this around.
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boognish_bear said:

Tighten that chinstrap Blake Shapen




What a joke. The cupcake SEC schedules FCS teams in November, any given year there's like 3 good teams in the conference. Any other team isn't better than your average Big12 team
perrynative
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ESPN garbage in ESPN garbage out. Nothing new.
muddybrazos
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BigGameBaylorBear said:

boognish_bear said:

Tighten that chinstrap Blake Shapen




What a joke. The cupcake SEC schedules FCS teams in November, any given year there's like 3 good teams in the conference. Any other team isn't better than your average Big12 team
C'mon, only 3 good teams? This year they will have Texas, OU, MIzz, Bama, UGA, LSU, Auburn, Tenn, Ole Miss and Ketucky. Those teams should all be "good". Ole MIss, Mizz, Bama, UGA & Texas should be very good to great. I dont think we could beat any of the teams I listed as good. I think we would struggle with Florida, Carolina and Miss St. We could proabably only beat Vandy and maybe Arky if we got them in Waco.
BigGameBaylorBear
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I didn't say Baylor could compete with those teams but the rest of the Big 12 could. Our top dawgs (Kstate, Arizona, Utah, Kansas) can definitely compete with Kentucky, Auburn, mizzou, A&M, and Tennessee. That's proven every year in the bowl games

The SEC will typically have 2 juggernauts at the top, everyone else is fair game

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MrGolfguy said:

boognish_bear said:

Tighten that chinstrap Blake Shapen


I wanted to see what a "hard" schedule looks like so I dove into Mississippi State's line-up to explore the "2nd hardest schedule in the nation". OK, they have 2 legit games against big boy teams (Georgia & Texas), but the rest is just perennial underacheivers, mediocre over-rateds, or plain patsies.
Ariz St, Florida, Arkansas, and Aggy are all mediocre, underacheivers, or both.
Tenn, Ole Miss, Mizzou -good teams last year but should fall back to their usual underperforming mediocre status this year.
Finally, take a look at their non-conf guantlet - Eastern Kentucky, UMass, & Toledo. Baylor gets crucified for schedules like that but $EC teams get a pass and nobody (media) dares to say a word about it.
Summary - "2nd hardest schedule in the nation"? Yeah, not impressed.



LOL. You're right.

This is pretty clearly a combination of big points for name recognition they-used-to-be-good teams and big points for they-were-good-recently teams and then ignoring the OOC jokers.

And I bet they get more credit for playing ASU OOC than B12 does playing them in conference.
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MrGolfguy said:

boognish_bear said:

Tighten that chinstrap Blake Shapen


I wanted to see what a "hard" schedule looks like so I dove into Mississippi State's line-up to explore the "2nd hardest schedule in the nation". OK, they have 2 legit games against big boy teams (Georgia & Texas), but the rest is just perennial underacheivers, mediocre over-rateds, or plain patsies.
Ariz St, Florida, Arkansas, and Aggy are all mediocre, underacheivers, or both.
Tenn, Ole Miss, Mizzou -good teams last year but should fall back to their usual underperforming mediocre status this year.
Finally, take a look at their non-conf guantlet - Eastern Kentucky, UMass, & Toledo. Baylor gets crucified for schedules like that but $EC teams get a pass and nobody (media) dares to say a word about it.
Summary - "2nd hardest schedule in the nation"? Yeah, not impressed.

The challenge is that some teams are currently in the middle of a renaissance, and that that is playing a role here. Ole Miss, Tennessee, and Missouri - usually some also rans - are expected to be top 10-15 teams this season, and them, combined with Georgia and Texas does make their schedule a bit tougher than what is usually seen. The rest of the schedule is meh.
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Aberzombie1892 said:

MrGolfguy said:

boognish_bear said:

Tighten that chinstrap Blake Shapen


I wanted to see what a "hard" schedule looks like so I dove into Mississippi State's line-up to explore the "2nd hardest schedule in the nation". OK, they have 2 legit games against big boy teams (Georgia & Texas), but the rest is just perennial underacheivers, mediocre over-rateds, or plain patsies.
Ariz St, Florida, Arkansas, and Aggy are all mediocre, underacheivers, or both.
Tenn, Ole Miss, Mizzou -good teams last year but should fall back to their usual underperforming mediocre status this year.
Finally, take a look at their non-conf guantlet - Eastern Kentucky, UMass, & Toledo. Baylor gets crucified for schedules like that but $EC teams get a pass and nobody (media) dares to say a word about it.
Summary - "2nd hardest schedule in the nation"? Yeah, not impressed.

...Ole Miss, Tennessee, and Missouri - usually some also rans - are expected to be top 10-15 teams this season...
Based on two things:
1. they are members of the $EC (therefore overvalued)
2. what they did last year (which they likely won't duplicate)

Bogus "hard schedule" is Bogus
Bearmanly
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Schedule difficulty is a self-fulfilling prophecy.
Still, Baylor's may be one of the easiest, but if they can't beat Air Force - this is looking like a 1 win season to me.
Cove Dawg
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And I still don't see more than 3 wins on the schedule.
MrGolfguy
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I see 7/8 possible wins on the schedule.
PacificBear
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Hate to piss in the green punch bowl but Baylor would lose to every SEC team. Vandy is better than Baylor. Let that marinate.
BigGameBaylorBear
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Way early to be talking like that, no one has any idea how good Baylor will be next year
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MrGolfguy said:

I see 7/8 possible wins on the schedule.


I see a possible Big12 Championship… maybe a possible CFP slot and then August 31st 6pm comes and a struggling close win over Tarleton, reality sets in and behlur is in purty uni's.
Aberzombie1892
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MrGolfguy said:

Aberzombie1892 said:

MrGolfguy said:

boognish_bear said:

Tighten that chinstrap Blake Shapen


I wanted to see what a "hard" schedule looks like so I dove into Mississippi State's line-up to explore the "2nd hardest schedule in the nation". OK, they have 2 legit games against big boy teams (Georgia & Texas), but the rest is just perennial underacheivers, mediocre over-rateds, or plain patsies.
Ariz St, Florida, Arkansas, and Aggy are all mediocre, underacheivers, or both.
Tenn, Ole Miss, Mizzou -good teams last year but should fall back to their usual underperforming mediocre status this year.
Finally, take a look at their non-conf guantlet - Eastern Kentucky, UMass, & Toledo. Baylor gets crucified for schedules like that but $EC teams get a pass and nobody (media) dares to say a word about it.
Summary - "2nd hardest schedule in the nation"? Yeah, not impressed.

...Ole Miss, Tennessee, and Missouri - usually some also rans - are expected to be top 10-15 teams this season...
Based on two things:
1. they are members of the $EC (therefore overvalued)
2. what they did last year (which they likely won't duplicate)

Bogus "hard schedule" is Bogus
Consider:

2023 Ole Miss went 11-2, defeated Tulane (11-3) and Penn State (10-3) out of conference, and is returning 70% of their production (including QB). The highlights of the 2024 Ole Miss Schedule are Georgia and Oklahoma, with every other game being winnable (no Alabama, Missouri, Texas, or Tennessee).

2023 Missouri went 11-2, defeated Kansas State (9-4) and Ohio State (11-2) out of conference, and is returning 71% of their production (including QB). The highlights of the 2024 Missouri Schedule are Alabama and Oklahoma, with every other game being winnable (no Texas, Georgia, Ole Miss, or Tennessee).

Which of the above two teams looks over valued or very likely to fall flat going into 2024?
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