I remember hearing an interview of Mack Rhoades on 365 where he was asked about the BIg 12 taking SMU. In so many words he said he didn't want them because of recruiting. Makes total sense. Does anyone know which interview he said that in (link)? And surely the other schools in Texas have said similar?

But we took Houston instead?

I have to wonder if SMU had offered the B12 the same kind of bribe they did the ACC would they have jumped Houston in line?

SMU brings nothing to the table other than another mouth to feed. Hard pass.

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SMU brings nothing to the table other than another mouth to feed. Hard pass.

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All that and more money to go NIL. No upside, just downside.

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But we took Houston instead?

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TCU and SMU are in the same metropolitan area and Houston is in a different metropolitan area, and partially for that reason, SMU and Houston were not interchangeable to the Big 12 at the time Houston was added.

ACC Schools are trying to leave because of the SMU addition. Obviously not the full reason but it's part of it.

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I have to wonder if SMU had offered the B12 the same kind of bribe they did the ACC would they have jumped Houston in line?

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No because we have TCU, And Baylor to some extent to cover the region. Houston is one that we don't have much ground in.

This conference realignment game is getting old.

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BearFan33 said:

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I have to wonder if SMU had offered the B12 the same kind of bribe they did the ACC would they have jumped Houston in line?

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No because we have TCU, And Baylor to some extent to cover the region. Houston is one that we don't have much ground in.

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Houston was an important add after losing both A&M and Texas. The Big 12 couldn't afford to cede that city and, really, entire half of the state to the SEC.

People can say what they want about U of H and its relevance, but adding the Coogs forced media outlets in Houston and that region to talk about the Big 12.

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ACC Schools are trying to leave because of the SMU addition. Obviously not the full reason but it's part of it.

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That's not why ACC schools are trying to leave, neither in whole nor in part.

jikespingleton said:

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BylrFan said:

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ACC Schools are trying to leave because of the SMU addition. Obviously not the full reason but it's part of it.

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That's not why ACC schools are trying to leave, neither in whole nor in part.

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I agree. SMU is not playing into any of that.

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BylrFan said:

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ACC Schools are trying to leave because of the SMU addition. Obviously not the full reason but it's part of it.

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That's not why ACC schools are trying to leave, neither in whole nor in part.

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Why are they trying to leave?

SMU adds nothing to the Big 12. SMU is a small school in a market where the Big 12 already had a massive presence (TCU, TT, OkSt, Baylor). Thats the reason they weren't included. Houston has had far more success in football and mbb so if you needed another Texas school, grabbing UH made more sense athletically and isn't located in a market with an existing B12 presence.

Method Man said:

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jikespingleton said:

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BylrFan said:

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ACC Schools are trying to leave because of the SMU addition. Obviously not the full reason but it's part of it.

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That's not why ACC schools are trying to leave, neither in whole nor in part.

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Why are they trying to leave?

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At a high level, they would be leaving for some combination of money, prestige, visibility, and influence.

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Method Man said:

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jikespingleton said:

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BylrFan said:

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ACC Schools are trying to leave because of the SMU addition. Obviously not the full reason but it's part of it.

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That's not why ACC schools are trying to leave, neither in whole nor in part.

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Why are they trying to leave?

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At a high level, they would be leaving for some combination of money, prestige, visibility, and influence.

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They don't already have that in the ACC?

Do ACC schools play on Pay per View or networks that no one has ever heard of? I could swear that i see ACC schools playing on major networks every weekend in college football and basketball.

None of this makes any sense. How much "prestige" and $$$ do you need?

Method Man said:

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Aberzombie1892 said:

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Method Man said:

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jikespingleton said:

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BylrFan said:

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ACC Schools are trying to leave because of the SMU addition. Obviously not the full reason but it's part of it.

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That's not why ACC schools are trying to leave, neither in whole nor in part.

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Why are they trying to leave?

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At a high level, they would be leaving for some combination of money, prestige, visibility, and influence.

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They don't already have that in the ACC?

Do ACC schools play on Pay per View or networks that no one has ever heard of? I could swear that i see ACC schools playing on major networks every weekend in college football and basketball.

None of this makes any sense. How much "prestige" and $$$ do you need?

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Is this take sarcasm?

Aberzombie1892 said:

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Method Man said:

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Aberzombie1892 said:

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Method Man said:

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jikespingleton said:

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BylrFan said:

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ACC Schools are trying to leave because of the SMU addition. Obviously not the full reason but it's part of it.

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That's not why ACC schools are trying to leave, neither in whole nor in part.

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Why are they trying to leave?

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At a high level, they would be leaving for some combination of money, prestige, visibility, and influence.

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They don't already have that in the ACC?

Do ACC schools play on Pay per View or networks that no one has ever heard of? I could swear that i see ACC schools playing on major networks every weekend in college football and basketball.

None of this makes any sense. How much "prestige" and $$$ do you need?

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Is this take sarcasm?

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Sarcasm???
I explained my premise very clearly.

What is the BIG10 or SEC going to offer to ACC schools that they don't already have?

I'm not talking about Conference USA or the American Athletic Conference. I'm talking about schools that I've seen on ESPN, ABC and CBS for the past 30 years.

If everyone goes to the "super conference" it sort of ceases being a super conference. Someone has to finish in the middle and last place. This is why country clubs make their memberships very hard to acquire.
If everyone has membership to the club its no longer all that special.

Method Man said:

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Aberzombie1892 said:

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Method Man said:

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Aberzombie1892 said:

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Method Man said:

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jikespingleton said:

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BylrFan said:

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ACC Schools are trying to leave because of the SMU addition. Obviously not the full reason but it's part of it.

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That's not why ACC schools are trying to leave, neither in whole nor in part.

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Why are they trying to leave?

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At a high level, they would be leaving for some combination of money, prestige, visibility, and influence.

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They don't already have that in the ACC?

Do ACC schools play on Pay per View or networks that no one has ever heard of? I could swear that i see ACC schools playing on major networks every weekend in college football and basketball.

None of this makes any sense. How much "prestige" and $$$ do you need?

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Is this take sarcasm?

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Sarcasm???
I explained my premise very clearly.

What is the BIG10 or SEC going to offer to ACC schools that they don't already have?

I'm not talking about Conference USA or the American Athletic Conference. I'm talking about schools that I've seen on ESPN, ABC and CBS for the past 30 years.

If everyone goes to the "super conference" it sort of ceases being a super conference. Someone has to finish in the middle and last place. This is why country clubs make their memberships very hard to acquire.
If everyone has membership to the club its no longer all that special.

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So it's not. The differences between the P2 and the rest have been beaten to death in these forums so I will not rehash them here, but, yes, it's 100% worth bailing on the ACC or Big 12 for the P2.

Method Man said:

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Aberzombie1892 said:

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Method Man said:

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Aberzombie1892 said:

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Method Man said:

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jikespingleton said:

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BylrFan said:

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ACC Schools are trying to leave because of the SMU addition. Obviously not the full reason but it's part of it.

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That's not why ACC schools are trying to leave, neither in whole nor in part.

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Why are they trying to leave?

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At a high level, they would be leaving for some combination of money, prestige, visibility, and influence.

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They don't already have that in the ACC?

Do ACC schools play on Pay per View or networks that no one has ever heard of? I could swear that i see ACC schools playing on major networks every weekend in college football and basketball.

None of this makes any sense. How much "prestige" and $$$ do you need?

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Is this take sarcasm?

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What is the BIG10 or SEC going to offer to ACC schools that they don't already have?

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This can't be serious.

Literally twice the money.

MT_Bear said:

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Method Man said:

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Aberzombie1892 said:

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Method Man said:

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Aberzombie1892 said:

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Method Man said:

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jikespingleton said:

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BylrFan said:

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ACC Schools are trying to leave because of the SMU addition. Obviously not the full reason but it's part of it.

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That's not why ACC schools are trying to leave, neither in whole nor in part.

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Why are they trying to leave?

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At a high level, they would be leaving for some combination of money, prestige, visibility, and influence.

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They don't already have that in the ACC?

Do ACC schools play on Pay per View or networks that no one has ever heard of? I could swear that i see ACC schools playing on major networks every weekend in college football and basketball.

None of this makes any sense. How much "prestige" and $$$ do you need?

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Is this take sarcasm?

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What is the BIG10 or SEC going to offer to ACC schools that they don't already have?

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This can't be serious.

Literally twice the money.

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Okay....So the entire goal of this is $$$$?????

Guys, I'm not trying to be condescending, but I really want you all to think two and three steps ahead. I'm not sure you if you guys are really getting my point.

You are Arkansas and Texas A&M, and you've achieved your ultimate goal of making into the Super Conference Country Club......now what??????

What exactly have Arkansas football and Texas A&M accomplished with that $$$ that they've earned from being in the SEC?
These two schools in particular are going on 25-30 years of no real football accomplishments.

If you listen and analyze Texas A&M football fans all they really brag about is how much money they have, and that's exactly what you guys are doing.

If every one of your peers also has a ton of $$$........... comparatively speaking do you really have a lot of money?
This is precisely the reason A&M isn't really that good at sports. They were average in the BIGXII, and they've been average in the SEC.

Are the schools that are not in the BIG10 or SEC going to stop playing on TV?
Are the fans of these schools just going to lose interest and disappear?
There will still be a huge market of fans that are interested in college football that is not in the BIG10 or SEC.

Method Man said:

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MT_Bear said:

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Method Man said:

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Aberzombie1892 said:

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Method Man said:

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Aberzombie1892 said:

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Method Man said:

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jikespingleton said:

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BylrFan said:

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ACC Schools are trying to leave because of the SMU addition. Obviously not the full reason but it's part of it.

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That's not why ACC schools are trying to leave, neither in whole nor in part.

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Why are they trying to leave?

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At a high level, they would be leaving for some combination of money, prestige, visibility, and influence.

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They don't already have that in the ACC?

Do ACC schools play on Pay per View or networks that no one has ever heard of? I could swear that i see ACC schools playing on major networks every weekend in college football and basketball.

None of this makes any sense. How much "prestige" and $$$ do you need?

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Is this take sarcasm?

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What is the BIG10 or SEC going to offer to ACC schools that they don't already have?

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This can't be serious.

Literally twice the money.

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Okay....So the entire goal of this is $$$$?????

Guys, I'm not trying to be condescending, but I really want you all to think two and three steps ahead. I'm not sure you if you guys are really getting my point.

You are Arkansas and Texas A&M, and you've achieved your ultimate goal of making into the Super Conference Country Club......now what??????

What exactly have Arkansas football and Texas A&M accomplished with that $$$ that they've earned from being in the SEC?
These two schools in particular are going on 25-30 years of no real football accomplishments.

If you listen and analyze Texas A&M football fans all they really brag about is how much money they have, and that's exactly what you guys are doing.

If every one of your peers also has a ton of $$$........... comparatively speaking do you really have a lot of money?
This is precisely the reason A&M isn't really that good at sports. They were average in the BIGXII, and they've been average in the SEC.

Are the schools that are not in the BIG10 or SEC going to stop playing on TV?
Are the fans of these schools just going to lose interest and disappear?
There will still be a huge market of fans that are interested in college football that is not in the BIG10 or SEC.

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This take dramatically overemphasizes the value of winning and similarly deemphasizes the value of virtually everything else. The best overall response is that every single team outside the P2 - including in the Big 12 and ACC - would accept a P2 invite in a heartbeat regardless of the practical implications of doing so.

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SMU adds nothing to the Big 12. SMU is a small school in a market where the Big 12 already had a massive presence (TCU, TT, OkSt, Baylor). Thats the reason they weren't included. Houston has had far more success in football and mbb so if you needed another Texas school, grabbing UH made more sense athletically and isn't located in a market with an existing B12 presence.

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Some of us with… ummm… longer memories would dispute that UH has had more success in football than SMU (which is the sport that really matters if we are being realistic and not relying on basketball because we suck at football). Lots of great history from SWC days that could be repeated if the Ponies were part of the Big 12. Fwiw, I attended the first UH v Baylor matchup when the Cougs joined the SWC. Was hard to get excited about the game then. Still is.

Aberzombie1892 said:

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Method Man said:

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MT_Bear said:

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Method Man said:

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Aberzombie1892 said:

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Method Man said:

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Aberzombie1892 said:

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Method Man said:

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jikespingleton said:

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BylrFan said:

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ACC Schools are trying to leave because of the SMU addition. Obviously not the full reason but it's part of it.

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That's not why ACC schools are trying to leave, neither in whole nor in part.

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Why are they trying to leave?

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At a high level, they would be leaving for some combination of money, prestige, visibility, and influence.

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They don't already have that in the ACC?

Do ACC schools play on Pay per View or networks that no one has ever heard of? I could swear that i see ACC schools playing on major networks every weekend in college football and basketball.

None of this makes any sense. How much "prestige" and $$$ do you need?

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Is this take sarcasm?

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What is the BIG10 or SEC going to offer to ACC schools that they don't already have?

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This can't be serious.

Literally twice the money.

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Okay....So the entire goal of this is $$$$?????

Guys, I'm not trying to be condescending, but I really want you all to think two and three steps ahead. I'm not sure you if you guys are really getting my point.

You are Arkansas and Texas A&M, and you've achieved your ultimate goal of making into the Super Conference Country Club......now what??????

What exactly have Arkansas football and Texas A&M accomplished with that $$$ that they've earned from being in the SEC?
These two schools in particular are going on 25-30 years of no real football accomplishments.

If you listen and analyze Texas A&M football fans all they really brag about is how much money they have, and that's exactly what you guys are doing.

If every one of your peers also has a ton of $$$........... comparatively speaking do you really have a lot of money?
This is precisely the reason A&M isn't really that good at sports. They were average in the BIGXII, and they've been average in the SEC.

Are the schools that are not in the BIG10 or SEC going to stop playing on TV?
Are the fans of these schools just going to lose interest and disappear?
There will still be a huge market of fans that are interested in college football that is not in the BIG10 or SEC.

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This take dramatically overemphasizes the value of winning and similarly deemphasizes the value of virtually everything else. The best overall response is that every single team outside the P2 - including in the Big 12 and ACC - would accept a P2 invite in a heartbeat regardless of the practical implications of doing so.

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I don't think he is questioning that. The end game is to get in and fund Title IX?

What you are saying is that winning does not matter in terms of decision making. Schools in the SuperConfernce (SC) are making decisions deprioritizing winning, just happy to be here is enough. Is that really sustainable beyond the initial sigh of relief? Will recruits want to go to someplace that is just there? (The recruits you need to compete in SC are not going to want to just be there).

I agree with the OP, what is the end game of being there with no accomplishments?

FLBear5630 said:

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Aberzombie1892 said:

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Method Man said:

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MT_Bear said:

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Method Man said:

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Aberzombie1892 said:

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Method Man said:

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Aberzombie1892 said:

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Method Man said:

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jikespingleton said:

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BylrFan said:

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ACC Schools are trying to leave because of the SMU addition. Obviously not the full reason but it's part of it.

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That's not why ACC schools are trying to leave, neither in whole nor in part.

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Why are they trying to leave?

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At a high level, they would be leaving for some combination of money, prestige, visibility, and influence.

---

They don't already have that in the ACC?

Do ACC schools play on Pay per View or networks that no one has ever heard of? I could swear that i see ACC schools playing on major networks every weekend in college football and basketball.

None of this makes any sense. How much "prestige" and $$$ do you need?

---

Is this take sarcasm?

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What is the BIG10 or SEC going to offer to ACC schools that they don't already have?

---

This can't be serious.

Literally twice the money.

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Okay....So the entire goal of this is $$$$?????

Guys, I'm not trying to be condescending, but I really want you all to think two and three steps ahead. I'm not sure you if you guys are really getting my point.

You are Arkansas and Texas A&M, and you've achieved your ultimate goal of making into the Super Conference Country Club......now what??????

What exactly have Arkansas football and Texas A&M accomplished with that $$$ that they've earned from being in the SEC?
These two schools in particular are going on 25-30 years of no real football accomplishments.

If you listen and analyze Texas A&M football fans all they really brag about is how much money they have, and that's exactly what you guys are doing.

If every one of your peers also has a ton of $$$........... comparatively speaking do you really have a lot of money?
This is precisely the reason A&M isn't really that good at sports. They were average in the BIGXII, and they've been average in the SEC.

Are the schools that are not in the BIG10 or SEC going to stop playing on TV?
Are the fans of these schools just going to lose interest and disappear?
There will still be a huge market of fans that are interested in college football that is not in the BIG10 or SEC.

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This take dramatically overemphasizes the value of winning and similarly deemphasizes the value of virtually everything else. The best overall response is that every single team outside the P2 - including in the Big 12 and ACC - would accept a P2 invite in a heartbeat regardless of the practical implications of doing so.

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I don't think he is questioning that. The end game is to get in and fund Title IX?

What you are saying is that winning does not matter in terms of decision making. Schools in the SuperConfernce (SC) are making decisions deprioritizing winning, just happy to be here is enough. Is that really sustainable beyond the initial sigh of relief? Will recruits want to go to someplace that is just there? (The recruits you need to compete in SC are not going to want to just be there).

I agree with the OP, what is the end game of being there with no accomplishments?

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If those accomplishments actually mattered to recruits, Utah and Oklahoma State would signing top 15 classes based on their on the field results, and, if those accomplishments mattered to viewers, those two programs would be in the top 15 for viewership.

Fun fact: neither is the case and there is no real path for that being the case in the future.

Aberzombie1892 said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Aberzombie1892 said:

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Method Man said:

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MT_Bear said:

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Method Man said:

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Aberzombie1892 said:

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Method Man said:

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Aberzombie1892 said:

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Method Man said:

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jikespingleton said:

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BylrFan said:

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ACC Schools are trying to leave because of the SMU addition. Obviously not the full reason but it's part of it.

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That's not why ACC schools are trying to leave, neither in whole nor in part.

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Why are they trying to leave?

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At a high level, they would be leaving for some combination of money, prestige, visibility, and influence.

---

They don't already have that in the ACC?

Do ACC schools play on Pay per View or networks that no one has ever heard of? I could swear that i see ACC schools playing on major networks every weekend in college football and basketball.

None of this makes any sense. How much "prestige" and $$$ do you need?

---

Is this take sarcasm?

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What is the BIG10 or SEC going to offer to ACC schools that they don't already have?

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This can't be serious.

Literally twice the money.

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Okay....So the entire goal of this is $$$$?????

Guys, I'm not trying to be condescending, but I really want you all to think two and three steps ahead. I'm not sure you if you guys are really getting my point.

You are Arkansas and Texas A&M, and you've achieved your ultimate goal of making into the Super Conference Country Club......now what??????

What exactly have Arkansas football and Texas A&M accomplished with that $$$ that they've earned from being in the SEC?
These two schools in particular are going on 25-30 years of no real football accomplishments.

If you listen and analyze Texas A&M football fans all they really brag about is how much money they have, and that's exactly what you guys are doing.

If every one of your peers also has a ton of $$$........... comparatively speaking do you really have a lot of money?
This is precisely the reason A&M isn't really that good at sports. They were average in the BIGXII, and they've been average in the SEC.

Are the schools that are not in the BIG10 or SEC going to stop playing on TV?
Are the fans of these schools just going to lose interest and disappear?
There will still be a huge market of fans that are interested in college football that is not in the BIG10 or SEC.

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This take dramatically overemphasizes the value of winning and similarly deemphasizes the value of virtually everything else. The best overall response is that every single team outside the P2 - including in the Big 12 and ACC - would accept a P2 invite in a heartbeat regardless of the practical implications of doing so.

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I don't think he is questioning that. The end game is to get in and fund Title IX?

What you are saying is that winning does not matter in terms of decision making. Schools in the SuperConfernce (SC) are making decisions deprioritizing winning, just happy to be here is enough. Is that really sustainable beyond the initial sigh of relief? Will recruits want to go to someplace that is just there? (The recruits you need to compete in SC are not going to want to just be there).

I agree with the OP, what is the end game of being there with no accomplishments?

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If those accomplishments actually mattered to recruits, Utah and Oklahoma State would signing top 15 classes based on their on the field results, and, if those accomplishments mattered to viewers, those two programs would be in the top 15 for viewership.

Fun fact: neither is the case and there is no real path for that being the case in the future.

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Actually, Utah is #10 in 247 Sports. But I am not arguing minutia. I get the bigger point.

So, your answer is that as long as the money is there the rest doesn't matter. I would agree until the Boosters start cutting the money. The just being there will wear off, they are going to have to compete. A&M had a shot recently and stumbled, they will churn Coaches.

FLBear5630 said:

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Aberzombie1892 said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Aberzombie1892 said:

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Method Man said:

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MT_Bear said:

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Method Man said:

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Aberzombie1892 said:

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Method Man said:

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Aberzombie1892 said:

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Method Man said:

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jikespingleton said:

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BylrFan said:

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ACC Schools are trying to leave because of the SMU addition. Obviously not the full reason but it's part of it.

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That's not why ACC schools are trying to leave, neither in whole nor in part.

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Why are they trying to leave?

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At a high level, they would be leaving for some combination of money, prestige, visibility, and influence.

---

They don't already have that in the ACC?

Do ACC schools play on Pay per View or networks that no one has ever heard of? I could swear that i see ACC schools playing on major networks every weekend in college football and basketball.

None of this makes any sense. How much "prestige" and $$$ do you need?

---

Is this take sarcasm?

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What is the BIG10 or SEC going to offer to ACC schools that they don't already have?

---

This can't be serious.

Literally twice the money.

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Okay....So the entire goal of this is $$$$?????

Guys, I'm not trying to be condescending, but I really want you all to think two and three steps ahead. I'm not sure you if you guys are really getting my point.

You are Arkansas and Texas A&M, and you've achieved your ultimate goal of making into the Super Conference Country Club......now what??????

What exactly have Arkansas football and Texas A&M accomplished with that $$$ that they've earned from being in the SEC?
These two schools in particular are going on 25-30 years of no real football accomplishments.

If you listen and analyze Texas A&M football fans all they really brag about is how much money they have, and that's exactly what you guys are doing.

If every one of your peers also has a ton of $$$........... comparatively speaking do you really have a lot of money?
This is precisely the reason A&M isn't really that good at sports. They were average in the BIGXII, and they've been average in the SEC.

Are the schools that are not in the BIG10 or SEC going to stop playing on TV?
Are the fans of these schools just going to lose interest and disappear?
There will still be a huge market of fans that are interested in college football that is not in the BIG10 or SEC.

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This take dramatically overemphasizes the value of winning and similarly deemphasizes the value of virtually everything else. The best overall response is that every single team outside the P2 - including in the Big 12 and ACC - would accept a P2 invite in a heartbeat regardless of the practical implications of doing so.

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I don't think he is questioning that. The end game is to get in and fund Title IX?

What you are saying is that winning does not matter in terms of decision making. Schools in the SuperConfernce (SC) are making decisions deprioritizing winning, just happy to be here is enough. Is that really sustainable beyond the initial sigh of relief? Will recruits want to go to someplace that is just there? (The recruits you need to compete in SC are not going to want to just be there).

I agree with the OP, what is the end game of being there with no accomplishments?

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If those accomplishments actually mattered to recruits, Utah and Oklahoma State would signing top 15 classes based on their on the field results, and, if those accomplishments mattered to viewers, those two programs would be in the top 15 for viewership.

Fun fact: neither is the case and there is no real path for that being the case in the future.

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Actually, Utah is #10 in 247 Sports. But I am not arguing minutia. I get the bigger point.

So, your answer is that as long as the money is there the rest doesn't matter. I would agree until the Boosters start cutting the money. The just being there will wear off, they are going to have to compete. A&M had a shot recently and stumbled, they will churn Coaches.

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When was the last time Utah signed a top 10 overall class on 247? Regardless of the answer, do you believe Utah will sign a top 10 overall class for its 2025 class? If you believe that, you believe that - I just want to make sure that you honestly believe in the point you're trying to make.

Someone correct me if I am wrong. The rumor I heard about our NIL situation is that two or three of the big money folks pooled a chunk of cash for Aranda to use to retain current pay and pay recruits for the 2025 class, but the pool of money is finite and is going to run dry eventually (not sure where to post this since we have multiple threads that seem to be mainly about NIL)

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SMU brings nothing to the table other than another mouth to feed. Hard pass.

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This, why do you think FSU and Clemson were so pissed after they got the ACC invite

Method Man said:

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Aberzombie1892 said:

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Method Man said:

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Aberzombie1892 said:

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What is the BIG10 or SEC going to offer to ACC schools that they don't already have?

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lots and lots more $$$

From the ACC perspective yes, but only if they actually do offer them membership. They might not want to.

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BaylorGuy314 said:

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SMU adds nothing to the Big 12. SMU is a small school in a market where the Big 12 already had a massive presence (TCU, TT, OkSt, Baylor). Thats the reason they weren't included. Houston has had far more success in football and mbb so if you needed another Texas school, grabbing UH made more sense athletically and isn't located in a market with an existing B12 presence.

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Some of us with… ummm… longer memories would dispute that UH has had more success in football than SMU (which is the sport that really matters if we are being realistic and not relying on basketball because we suck at football). Lots of great history from SWC days that could be repeated if the Ponies were part of the Big 12. Fwiw, I attended the first UH v Baylor matchup when the Cougs joined the SWC. Was hard to get excited about the game then. Still is.

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I mean, if we want to go back 40 years, sure, SMU was good in the Pony Express days. Houston was also dominant with the veer in the 70s.

My point is that, in the last 25 years - UH has been greatly superior to SMU in football and absolutely dominant compared to SMU in basketball (which doesn't matter as much as football but is still a major revenue sport).

Meanwhile, UH has 30k undergrads (or more). SMU has 6k. UH was in a market without much Big 12 presence while the Big 12 had four schools with noteworthy alumni bases already in DFW.

SMU is better academically and is well-endowed but if we are looking at those two schools in a vacuum and trying to determine who would contribute the most to the TV contract, it's really no contest.