I have no clue how somebody could call themselves a Baylor fan and talk all this trash about the 2013-2015 teams. the 2015 team would beat this current team by two scores at least. Dave would have that classic deer in headlights stare by the end of the first quarter

BBWCBear said:

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Karab said:

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Realitybites said:

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My benchmark for Baylor football isn't 2021. It's 2010-2015.

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We went 7-6 and 8-5 for two of those seasons.

It wasn't until 2013 that we were clearly an elite program.

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Briles:
2010: 7-6
2011: 10-3
2012: 8-5
2013: 11-2
22014:11-2

Yoda:
2021: 12-2 / Briles' players
2022: 6-7
2023: 3-9
2024: 8-5

This is basically year Five, what's your boy Yoda gonna do?

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Briles still had players at BU in 2021? 6 years after getting the boot? What about 2020 (Aranda's 1st year)? Those were somebody elses players too if 2021 was someone elses players.

Youre a clown said:

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I have no clue how somebody could call themselves a Baylor fan and talk all this trash about the 2013-2015 teams. the 2015 team would beat this current team by two scores at least. Dave would have that classic deer in headlights stare by the end of the first quarter

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2015 would have beaten this team by minimum 4 scores.

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Youre a clown said:

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I have no clue how somebody could call themselves a Baylor fan and talk all this trash about the 2013-2015 teams. the 2015 team would beat this current team by two scores at least. Dave would have that classic deer in headlights stare by the end of the first quarter

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205 would have beaten this team by minimum 4 scores.

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It would be a fairly high scoring game, but yeah, I would expect it to be something like 59-42. And the usual people would make excuses about how we can't be expected to keep up with a team like 2015 Baylor

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BBWCBear said:

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Karab said:

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Realitybites said:

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My benchmark for Baylor football isn't 2021. It's 2010-2015.

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We went 7-6 and 8-5 for two of those seasons.

It wasn't until 2013 that we were clearly an elite program.

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Briles:
2010: 7-6
2011: 10-3
2012: 8-5
2013: 11-2
22014:11-2

Yoda:
2021: 12-2 / Briles' players
2022: 6-7
2023: 3-9
2024: 8-5

This is basically year Five, what's your boy Yoda gonna do?

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Briles still had players at BU in 2021? 6 years after getting the boot? What about 2020 (Aranda's 1st year)? Those were somebody elses players too if 2021 was someone elses players.

Some of Briles' recruits played in 2022 Sugar Bowl win over Ole Miss. It has been noted that they were instrumental in the victory. Look it up.

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BBWCBear said:

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MrGolfguy said:

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BBWCBear said:

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Karab said:

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Realitybites said:

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My benchmark for Baylor football isn't 2021. It's 2010-2015.

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We went 7-6 and 8-5 for two of those seasons.

It wasn't until 2013 that we were clearly an elite program.

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Briles:
2010: 7-6
2011: 10-3
2012: 8-5
2013: 11-2
22014:11-2

Yoda:
2021: 12-2 / Briles' players
2022: 6-7
2023: 3-9
2024: 8-5

This is basically year Five, what's your boy Yoda gonna do?

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Briles still had players at BU in 2021? 6 years after getting the boot? What about 2020 (Aranda's 1st year)? Those were somebody elses players too if 2021 was someone elses players.

Some of Briles' recruits played in 2022 Sugar Bowl win over Ole Miss. It has been noted that they were instrumental in the victory. Look it up.

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How many of the starting 22 were Briles players?

What about that 2-7 team in 2020? Briles players didn't help much then.

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Robert Wilson said:

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We were on the precipice of greatness and annual national relevance. That can't be the standard, unless you want to always be disappointed.

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That is the standard for other small private Universities like Notre Dame, Miami, and USC.

There's absolutely no reason why Baylor cannot aspire to and achieve that level of greatness and annual national relevance. It was one thing during the lost decade in the Big 12, when the fan base basically accepted that we were going to be the Vanderbilt of the Big 12.

Then Art Briles came along and proved that a dominant program could be built in Waco just as easily as it could in South Bend.

To accept less is a failure and lack of vision on the part of university leadership.

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Start writing checks

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bear2be2 said:

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Karab said:

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Realitybites said:

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My benchmark for Baylor football isn't 2021. It's 2010-2015.

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We went 7-6 and 8-5 for two of those seasons.

It wasn't until 2013 that we were clearly an elite program.

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And even that "elite program" got its ass beat by UCF and couldn't move either line against Michigan State.

Baylor was really good under Briles, but we were closer to 2024 Indiana than we were to winning a national title.

We actively avoided competition in nonconference, played two- or three-game schedules, beat up on dregs and lost the big one virtually every season.

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Bull. 2015 Baylor before Seth gets injured goes to the national championship. We had a good defense with NFL talent, and the most balanced and dangerous offense in the country.

We were getting recruits that UT and Ohio State wanted on both sides of the ball. We were about to be a dynasty.

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Absolute fan fiction.

We had a really nice program. Better than Baylor has ever been before. But this dynasty talk is absolute nonsense.

Youre a clown said:

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I have no clue how somebody could call themselves a Baylor fan and talk all this trash about the 2013-2015 teams. the 2015 team would beat this current team by two scores at least. Dave would have that classic deer in headlights stare by the end of the first quarter

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Two things can be true at the same time.

1) Briles' teams were the best Baylor has had (with the possible exceptions of our 1980 and 2021 squads).
2) Those 2013-15 teams, while very good, weren't good enough to contend for, much less win, national titles.

Acknowledging No. 2 isn't trashing those teams. It's just accepting the reality of the situation.

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Youre a clown said:

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I have no clue how somebody could call themselves a Baylor fan and talk all this trash about the 2013-2015 teams. the 2015 team would beat this current team by two scores at least. Dave would have that classic deer in headlights stare by the end of the first quarter

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Two things can be true at the same time.

1) Briles' teams were the best Baylor has had (with the possible exceptions of our 1980 and 2021 squads).
2) Those 2013-15 teams, while very good, weren't good enough to contend for, much less win, national titles.

Acknowledging No. 2 isn't trashing those teams. It's just accepting the reality of the situation.

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We were in the mix for a 4 team CFP each year. 6th in 2013. 5th in 2014. Likely had a shot in 2015 barring injuries. And the pipeline of players was getting significantly better. There's no telling where that could have gone, and we are unlikely to see that kind of momentum again.

Exactly this. Art was winning the Big 12 and getting us on the brink of the playoffs with 2 and 3 star recruits. He was just starting to recruit at an elite level. We saw how well it worked out for the one guy who did stay (Pitre) who knows what level he would have us at by now had the university not caved under pressure and stood by him. We'd have definitely been in the playoff by now that's for sure.

We sacrificed our football program in exchange for positive PR and to appease the woke mob/media. As good as we might be in the future, we'll never be THAT good again. At least not in our lifetimes. Dude should have accepted the UT job in 2013 and he'd still have a job. They never manufacture this scandal if he's their coach.

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Exactly this. Art was winning the Big 12 and getting us on the brink of the playoffs with 2 and 3 star recruits. He was just starting to recruit at an elite level. We saw how well it worked out for the one guy who did stay (Pitre) who knows what level he would have us at by now had the university not caved under pressure and stood by him. We'd have definitely been in the playoff by now that's for sure.

We sacrificed our football program in exchange for positive PR and to appease the woke mob/media. As good as we might be in the future, we'll never be THAT good again. At least not in our lifetimes. Dude should have accepted the UT job in 2013 and he'd still have a job. They never manufacture this scandal if he's their coach.

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We need to stop throwing the word elite around so liberally.

Our recruiting was improving. It was probably the best Baylor has ever experienced. We weren't recruiting anywhere near an elite level where offensive and defensive linemen are concerned. And that's an absolute requirement for competing for national championships.

Our best teams were really good. We would have looked like Oklahoma if we had ever made the playoffs. The Alabamas, Georgias, Ohio States and Clemsons would have *****ed us on both lines.

The 16' class was trending top 15. I agree on line play over the majority of those early years BUT 2015 had an excellent o line. By far the best of that era.

That with the unique blend of speed and system would have put that team very clearly in the mix.

At one point Bu and Ohio st were odds on co-favorites to win the whole thing. They had a chance bc the o line was really good.. doesn't matter what they did in nfl.

MrGolfguy said:

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BBWCBear said:

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MrGolfguy said:

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BBWCBear said:

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Karab said:

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Realitybites said:

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My benchmark for Baylor football isn't 2021. It's 2010-2015.

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We went 7-6 and 8-5 for two of those seasons.

It wasn't until 2013 that we were clearly an elite program.

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Briles:
2010: 7-6
2011: 10-3
2012: 8-5
2013: 11-2
22014:11-2

Yoda:
2021: 12-2 / Briles' players
2022: 6-7
2023: 3-9
2024: 8-5

This is basically year Five, what's your boy Yoda gonna do?

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Briles still had players at BU in 2021? 6 years after getting the boot? What about 2020 (Aranda's 1st year)? Those were somebody elses players too if 2021 was someone elses players.

Some of Briles' recruits played in 2022 Sugar Bowl win over Ole Miss. It has been noted that they were instrumental in the victory. Look it up.

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How many of the starting 22 were Briles players?

What about that 2-7 team in 2020? Briles players didn't help much then.

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My bad… Rhule's players. My point was Yoda's success was with Seniors and Jr's in 2021, not his recruits. To me, 2020 was a wash for Aranda and everyone… schedules, practice, games weren't fair any coach.

QB-Bohanon… ultimately Yoda dumped him
RB-Abram Smith
OLB-Bryson Jackson
DT-Cole Maxwell
TE-Ben Sims
WR-Tyquan Thornton
CB-Al Walcott
CB-Kaylon Barnes
S-JT Woods
WR-RJ Sneed
RB-Tristan Ebner
CB-Raleigh Texada
LB-Dillon Doyle
WR-Gavin Holmes
WR-Drew Estrada
WR-Josh Fleeks
OLB-Ashton Logon
CB-Byron Hanspard
DL-Brayden Utley
OL-Xavier Newman-Johnson
DL-TJ Franklin
LB-Terrel Barnard
LB- Jalen Pitre
I could list other, but those are ones that contributed a lot…ALL Seniors and some Juniors.

BBWCBear said:

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MrGolfguy said:

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BBWCBear said:

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MrGolfguy said:

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BBWCBear said:

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Karab said:

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Realitybites said:

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My benchmark for Baylor football isn't 2021. It's 2010-2015.

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We went 7-6 and 8-5 for two of those seasons.

It wasn't until 2013 that we were clearly an elite program.

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Briles:
2010: 7-6
2011: 10-3
2012: 8-5
2013: 11-2
22014:11-2

Yoda:
2021: 12-2 / Briles' players
2022: 6-7
2023: 3-9
2024: 8-5

This is basically year Five, what's your boy Yoda gonna do?

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Briles still had players at BU in 2021? 6 years after getting the boot? What about 2020 (Aranda's 1st year)? Those were somebody elses players too if 2021 was someone elses players.

Some of Briles' recruits played in 2022 Sugar Bowl win over Ole Miss. It has been noted that they were instrumental in the victory. Look it up.

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How many of the starting 22 were Briles players?

What about that 2-7 team in 2020? Briles players didn't help much then.

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My bad… Rhule's players. My point was Yoda's success was with Seniors and Jr's in 2021, not his recruits. To me, 2020 was a wash for Aranda and everyone… schedules, practice, games weren't fair any coach.

QB-Bohanon… ultimately Yoda dumped him
RB-Abram Smith
OLB-Bryson Jackson
DT-Cole Maxwell
TE-Ben Sims
WR-Tyquan Thornton
CB-Al Walcott
CB-Kaylon Barnes
S-JT Woods
WR-RJ Sneed
RB-Tristan Ebner
CB-Raleigh Texada
LB-Dillon Doyle
WR-Gavin Holmes
WR-Drew Estrada
WR-Josh Fleeks
OLB-Ashton Logon
CB-Byron Hanspard
DL-Brayden Utley
OL-Xavier Newman-Johnson
DL-TJ Franklin
LB-Terrel Barnard
LB- Jalen Pitre
I could list other, but those are ones that contributed a lot…ALL Seniors and some Juniors.

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Some of those guys transferred in, weren't BU recruits

Take away with Big 12 Championship season with Rhule's guys and Dave is 19-29 as a head coach. Just the numbers and facts. The man is uninspiring and doesn't need to be a head coach at the FBS level.

covid season was rhules guys too this so discount that season

I'm willing to give everyone a pass for the COVID season.

What I'm not giving a pass for is going from 12-2 -> 6-7 -> 3-9 as the previous coaches players leave the program and the guys Dave recruited start to step in. Then we go 8-5 last season and everyone acts like none of the decline ever happens. I'll admit I was one of them at first but after Friday night? Nah I'm not giving anymore grace. Dude is in year 6 and Auburn ran though his team like a hot knife through butter. He made Jackson Arnold look like Lamar "Jackson" Arnold. I can understand being afraid of what Auburn has at WR but to make absolutely I second half adjustments was inexcusable. This man's calling card is defense but his defense is consistently ass. To be quite frank, I'd be more confident with Spav as the head coach at this point if those were my only two options. His offense combined with Sawyer and Bryson are the only reason Dave still has a job.

I honestly feel like we are getting set up to be Neal Brown'ed this season. Hope for improvement followed by the most heartbreaking 6-6 season imaginable. This season will tell if he's really going to keep his job.

I get where you're coming from. I want to see week. 2 first then we'll see.

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6 wins sucks. I would rather eliminate or drastically reduce our NIL program and drop down to CUSA or Sunbelt than for six wins in the modern big 12 (a shadow of what it used to be by the way) to become what is considered the benchmark for success at Baylor

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Exactly this. People seem to forget that Briles was also winning the Big 12 with Texas & Oklahoma in it too. Not this watered down modern day Big 12 full of former American Conference teams and Pac-12 castoffs

Absolutely, we can agree on that for sure. How this team shows up against SMU will tell us a lot about how the season is going to ultimately go.

The thread title has not held up in this thread....Another thought experiment for optimism

BBWCBear said:

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MrGolfguy said:

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BBWCBear said:

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MrGolfguy said:

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BBWCBear said:

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Karab said:

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Realitybites said:

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My benchmark for Baylor football isn't 2021. It's 2010-2015.

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We went 7-6 and 8-5 for two of those seasons.

It wasn't until 2013 that we were clearly an elite program.

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Briles:
2010: 7-6
2011: 10-3
2012: 8-5
2013: 11-2
22014:11-2

Yoda:
2021: 12-2 / Briles' players
2022: 6-7
2023: 3-9
2024: 8-5

This is basically year Five, what's your boy Yoda gonna do?

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Briles still had players at BU in 2021? 6 years after getting the boot? What about 2020 (Aranda's 1st year)? Those were somebody elses players too if 2021 was someone elses players.

Some of Briles' recruits played in 2022 Sugar Bowl win over Ole Miss. It has been noted that they were instrumental in the victory. Look it up.

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How many of the starting 22 were Briles players?

What about that 2-7 team in 2020? Briles players didn't help much then.

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My bad… Rhule's players. My point was Yoda's success was with Seniors and Jr's in 2021, not his recruits. To me, 2020 was a wash for Aranda and everyone… schedules, practice, games weren't fair any coach.

QB-Bohanon… ultimately Yoda dumped him
RB-Abram Smith
OLB-Bryson Jackson
DT-Cole Maxwell
TE-Ben Sims
WR-Tyquan Thornton
CB-Al Walcott
CB-Kaylon Barnes
S-JT Woods
WR-RJ Sneed
RB-Tristan Ebner
CB-Raleigh Texada
LB-Dillon Doyle
WR-Gavin Holmes
WR-Drew Estrada
WR-Josh Fleeks
OLB-Ashton Logon
CB-Byron Hanspard
DL-Brayden Utley
OL-Xavier Newman-Johnson
DL-TJ Franklin
LB-Terrel Barnard
LB- Jalen Pitre
I could list other, but those are ones that contributed a lot…ALL Seniors and some Juniors.

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Pitre was a Briles recruit. And a huge reason we had any success at all. Just look at what he's doing in the NFL to see what a difference maker he was.

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Exactly this. Art was winning the Big 12 and getting us on the brink of the playoffs with 2 and 3 star recruits. He was just starting to recruit at an elite level. We saw how well it worked out for the one guy who did stay (Pitre) who knows what level he would have us at by now had the university not caved under pressure and stood by him. We'd have definitely been in the playoff by now that's for sure.

We sacrificed our football program in exchange for positive PR and to appease the woke mob/media. As good as we might be in the future, we'll never be THAT good again. At least not in our lifetimes. Dude should have accepted the UT job in 2013 and he'd still have a job. They never manufacture this scandal if he's their coach.

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We need to stop throwing the word elite around so liberally.

Our recruiting was improving. It was probably the best Baylor has ever experienced. We weren't recruiting anywhere near an elite level where offensive and defensive linemen are concerned. And that's an absolute requirement for competing for national championships.

Our best teams were really good. We would have looked like Oklahoma if we had ever made the playoffs. The Alabamas, Georgias, Ohio States and Clemsons would have *****ed us on both lines.

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You forget who we were recruiting before Briles got fired. We were top 15 at least. Maybe top 10. We had NFL talent on the line playing for us already.

One of Briles OLs had 4 all conference guys. The narrative that BU had subpar OL play under Briles is patently false. I question the IQ of those trying to push that narrative.

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One of Briles OLs had 4 all conference guys. The narrative that BU had subpar OL play under Briles is patently false. I question the IQ of those trying to push that narrative.

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Please quote anywhere where I -- or anyone else, for that matter -- has said we had subpar OL play.

Our O-lines were very good. They just weren't good enough to win a national championship. We saw that in 2014, when we couldn't run the ball at all against Michigan State -- a fact that allowed them to come back and beat us in a game we should have won by two scores.

And having four all-conference O-linemen is great. But that was in a league that never won a playoff game until after Texas and OU left and hasn't won a national title in many current college players' lifetime.

As I've said about five times now, Briles' teams were really good. They just weren't as good as many Baylor fans remember them. We had a top-15 program, which is really damn good. But we weren't going to be winning national titles as many want to delude themselves into believing.

Neither of our lines were good enough to contend with the three or four teams in those years that were actually capable of winning championships -- and that's especially true on defense, where we weren't even particularly good against soft schedules.

You've been pushing the narrative this entire thread that the Briles LOS were weak. Your basis is that they struggled against Mich St. never mind the fact that MSU had a damm good defense that season. The reality is Briles for his faults produced ridiculously good OL play. You keep bringing up MSU and UCF. Why is it you ignore his big conference wins? Or are those irrelevant? You do a lot of *****ing about Brikes teams while simultaneously defending Arandas teams. I find that interesting from a guy like you.

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You've been pushing the narrative this entire thread that the Briles LOS were weak. Your basis is that they struggled against Mich St. never mind the fact that MSU had a damm good defense that season. The reality is Briles for his faults produced ridiculously good OL play. You keep bringing up MSU and UCF. Why is it you ignore his big conference wins? Or are those irrelevant? You do a lot of *****ing about Brikes teams while simultaneously defending Arandas teams. I find that interesting from a guy like you.

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I'm gonna let y'all in on a secret. Bear2B2 is on Mack Rhoades' staff. He is not a fan of Baylor, he is a fan of a supporting his boss and employees of the current administration. He has very little he can point to concerning Aranda's accomplishments here at Baylor that's all that impressive, so he tries to pump Aranda up through trashing Baylor football's past accomplishments of the previous regime, as well as by trying to gaslight people on here to believing that six wins is a great season. And he's furious that it's not working

And this isn't a conspiracy theory. Mack has said in multiple interviews that he has folks on this website. There are a couple others that y'all can probably guess…

Youre a clown said:

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IowaBear said:

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You've been pushing the narrative this entire thread that the Briles LOS were weak. Your basis is that they struggled against Mich St. never mind the fact that MSU had a damm good defense that season. The reality is Briles for his faults produced ridiculously good OL play. You keep bringing up MSU and UCF. Why is it you ignore his big conference wins? Or are those irrelevant? You do a lot of *****ing about Brikes teams while simultaneously defending Arandas teams. I find that interesting from a guy like you.

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I'm gonna let y'all in on a secret. Bear2B2 is on Mack Rhoades' staff. He is not a fan of Baylor, he is a fan of a supporting his boss and employees of the current administration. He has very little he can point to concerning Aranda's accomplishments here at Baylor that's all that impressive, so he tries to pump Aranda up through trashing Baylor football's past accomplishments of the previous regime, as well as by trying to gaslight people on here to believing that six wins is a great season. And he's furious that it's not working

And this isn't a conspiracy theory. Mack has said in multiple interviews that he has folks on this website. There are a couple others that y'all can probably guess…

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LOL This old BS. It was stupid last season, it's stupid this season.

Realitybites said:

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My benchmark for Baylor football isn't 2021. It's 2010-2015.

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I totally agree.

IowaBear said:

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You've been pushing the narrative this entire thread that the Briles LOS were weak. Your basis is that they struggled against Mich St. never mind the fact that MSU had a damm good defense that season. The reality is Briles for his faults produced ridiculously good OL play. You keep bringing up MSU and UCF. Why is it you ignore his big conference wins? Or are those irrelevant? You do a lot of *****ing about Brikes teams while simultaneously defending Arandas teams. I find that interesting from a guy like you.

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No I haven't. Not being strong enough to compete with the Alabamas, Georgias and Ohio States of the world does not equal weak.

IowaBear said:

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You've been pushing the narrative this entire thread that the Briles LOS were weak. Your basis is that they struggled against Mich St. never mind the fact that MSU had a damm good defense that season. The reality is Briles for his faults produced ridiculously good OL play. You keep bringing up MSU and UCF. Why is it you ignore his big conference wins? Or are those irrelevant? You do a lot of *****ing about Brikes teams while simultaneously defending Arandas teams. I find that interesting from a guy like you.

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Art Briles was 4-19 against top-25 opponents.

His teams were great. They weren't consistently beating great teams as people here would have you believe.

We had a top-15 program when he was here, which is incredible. But this idea that we were on the cusp of multiple national championships is absolute fantasy.

Youre a clown said:

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IowaBear said:

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You've been pushing the narrative this entire thread that the Briles LOS were weak. Your basis is that they struggled against Mich St. never mind the fact that MSU had a damm good defense that season. The reality is Briles for his faults produced ridiculously good OL play. You keep bringing up MSU and UCF. Why is it you ignore his big conference wins? Or are those irrelevant? You do a lot of *****ing about Brikes teams while simultaneously defending Arandas teams. I find that interesting from a guy like you.

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I'm gonna let y'all in on a secret. Bear2B2 is on Mack Rhoades' staff. He is not a fan of Baylor, he is a fan of a supporting his boss and employees of the current administration. He has very little he can point to concerning Aranda's accomplishments here at Baylor that's all that impressive, so he tries to pump Aranda up through trashing Baylor football's past accomplishments of the previous regime, as well as by trying to gaslight people on here to believing that six wins is a great season. And he's furious that it's not working

And this isn't a conspiracy theory. Mack has said in multiple interviews that he has folks on this website. There are a couple others that y'all can probably guess…

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You are truly a dumbass.

I'd gladly take the paycheck, though, if Mack wants to throw one my way.

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Youre a clown said:

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IowaBear said:

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You've been pushing the narrative this entire thread that the Briles LOS were weak. Your basis is that they struggled against Mich St. never mind the fact that MSU had a damm good defense that season. The reality is Briles for his faults produced ridiculously good OL play. You keep bringing up MSU and UCF. Why is it you ignore his big conference wins? Or are those irrelevant? You do a lot of *****ing about Brikes teams while simultaneously defending Arandas teams. I find that interesting from a guy like you.

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I'm gonna let y'all in on a secret. Bear2B2 is on Mack Rhoades' staff. He is not a fan of Baylor, he is a fan of a supporting his boss and employees of the current administration. He has very little he can point to concerning Aranda's accomplishments here at Baylor that's all that impressive, so he tries to pump Aranda up through trashing Baylor football's past accomplishments of the previous regime, as well as by trying to gaslight people on here to believing that six wins is a great season. And he's furious that it's not working

And this isn't a conspiracy theory. Mack has said in multiple interviews that he has folks on this website. There are a couple others that y'all can probably guess…

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LOL This old BS. It was stupid last season, it's stupid this season.

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This BS has been posted since the creation of Baylor fan sites in the latter part of the 90s. Just fill in the blank of the AD's name whether that name be Stanton, McCaw, or Rhoades.

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Bear8084 said:

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Youre a clown said:

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IowaBear said:

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You've been pushing the narrative this entire thread that the Briles LOS were weak. Your basis is that they struggled against Mich St. never mind the fact that MSU had a damm good defense that season. The reality is Briles for his faults produced ridiculously good OL play. You keep bringing up MSU and UCF. Why is it you ignore his big conference wins? Or are those irrelevant? You do a lot of *****ing about Brikes teams while simultaneously defending Arandas teams. I find that interesting from a guy like you.

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I'm gonna let y'all in on a secret. Bear2B2 is on Mack Rhoades' staff. He is not a fan of Baylor, he is a fan of a supporting his boss and employees of the current administration. He has very little he can point to concerning Aranda's accomplishments here at Baylor that's all that impressive, so he tries to pump Aranda up through trashing Baylor football's past accomplishments of the previous regime, as well as by trying to gaslight people on here to believing that six wins is a great season. And he's furious that it's not working

And this isn't a conspiracy theory. Mack has said in multiple interviews that he has folks on this website. There are a couple others that y'all can probably guess…

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LOL This old BS. It was stupid last season, it's stupid this season.

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This BS has been posted since the creation of Baylor fan sites in the latter part of the 90s. Just fill in the blank of the AD's name whether that name be Stanton, McCaw, or Rhoades.

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Oh I know. I remember it from the Briles days when people complained about bubble screens and the defense. Everyone on Baylorfans worked for McCaw at one point in time.