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Why can't she hire Jeremiah Dickey? Dude even has Texas ties. You have to question why any AD would leave a good thing they have going on in the first place though…

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I would love Jeramiah Dickey as AD but I fear Linda and he may clash.

Dickey refused to let his vball team play against a school that had a dude on their vball team . He even took that stand during the conference tourney. He stood by the decision even when the team need one more win to greatly increase their chances at making the tourney.

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BUAL said:

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This is like an angry old dudes thread.
Are you typing from a Dairy Queen in West Texas?
Guessing average age at... 78

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It kills me how many of them are sexist. Who cares what is between their legs as long as they get the job done. We have had plenty of *****es that have failed miserably including our current AD.

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Having lived through the Tom Stanton years, 100% this

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I do not know what kind of bubble y'all live in to think that Linda Livingstone is this ultra-liberal, left wing person. Yes, she is more liberal than Jerry Falwell, Jr. and Ken Starr, but that doesn't make her Karl Marx or anything. Has there been some straying from Baylor's traditional stance on things since she's been president? Yes. Has some of it been disappointing? Sure. But this idea that she worships Bernie Sanders, prays to AOC, and volunteers her time at the Americans for Democratic Actoin is just unfounded.

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Rufus Burleson says hello from wherever he's been moved to.

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I heard he lives in a cool glass house. Reckon he appreciates not being melted down into a boat anchor?

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We need a football first AD. Football represents ~85% of the revenue at most power 4 institutions. The only other sport that makes money is Men's basketball. Take excellent care of football with a small side of men's basketball and do what must be done for title IX (but precious little more) for all the others and things will be fine.

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Women's basketball is the fastest-growing sport in America. It will be a revenue sport eventually. It should be prioritized along with football and men's basketball, though not quite to those same levels in terms of coach's pay, etc.

But I want an AD that strives for excellence in every sport we offer. Smart decisions have to be made regarding resource allocation, but I don't think we should be punting any sport. If we offer it as a varsity sport, we should be striving to compete at the highest level possible.

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I don't count the temporary bump that Caitlin Clark has given the sport as a long term trend. I'll believe a women's sport is profitable when I actually see it. Until then, women will not watch sports. They'd rather watch women destroy each other on real housewives tv shows.

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It's not a temporary Caitlin Clark bump. Girls and women's basketball popularity is up across all levels. The national championship game last year did 8.6 million viewers sans Clark.

Women's sports, in general, have never been more popular. Almost every sports attendance and/or TV ratings boost that has occurred since COVID has been a product of the rising popularity of women's sports. Men's sports have pretty much all either declined or remained static.

It would be really short-sighted to discount this phenomenon. Both the quality and popularity of women's sports are at an all-time high, and that's especially true in basketball, where college and pro TV deals are about to become a lot more lucrative. This surge is real ... and for good reason. There are some really damn good and entertaining players in girls and women's basketball right now. And there are several more Caitlin Clark caliber players coming up the pipeline.

I had the pleasure of watching one the last four years in Oklahoma freshman Aliyah Chavez. That girl is unreal.

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Once again, show me the money. I know numbers are up, but it's easy to go from .1% popularity to 1% popularity. It doesn't mean it's making any money, or ever will. In order for women's sports to make money, women have to watch it. And they just aren't. They'd rather watch the Kardashians or scroll on Instagram/TikTok.

Men are not watching women's sports, and shouldn't have to. That's the women's job but I don't see it happening.

Linda would hire Fredericka Wilson

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Linda would hire Fredericka Wilson

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Traditionally, we don't hire Kim and Drew. We grow Kim and Drew. I anticipate that remains the pathway.

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I do not know what kind of bubble y'all live in to think that Linda Livingstone is this ultra-liberal, left wing person. Yes, she is more liberal than Jerry Falwell, Jr. and Ken Starr, but that doesn't make her Karl Marx or anything. Has there been some straying from Baylor's traditional stance on things since she's been president? Yes. Has some of it been disappointing? Sure. But this idea that she worships Bernie Sanders, prays to AOC, and volunteers her time at the Americans for Democratic Actoin is just unfounded.

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Rufus Burleson says hello from wherever he's been moved to.

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I heard he lives in a cool glass house. Reckon he appreciates not being melted down into a boat anchor?

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wherever he is, he deserves better . . .

Linda is saddened to hear her top pick has chosen instead to be the new CEO of used-to-be Christianity Today. https://www.christianitytoday.com/news-releases/christianity-today-appoints-dr-nicole-massie-martin-as-president-ceo/

Livingston's desire to see the first all female lesbian football team seems a far off dream at this point.

I seem to remember Bu having what.. the fourth best program in the history of the sport. Brilliant timing to scrap it just as the trend you mentioned was taking place.

I know the issues with KM and cash sunk (in the past) but I agree need to bring back the program to an elite level.

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Women's basketball is the fastest-growing sport in America. It will be a revenue sport eventually.

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It's not going to be. Professional women's basketball has been a welfare case since the WNBA was founded 30 years ago.

Just the way it is.

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Why can't she hire Jeremiah Dickey? Dude even has Texas ties. You have to question why any AD would leave a good thing they have going on in the first place though…

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I would love Jeramiah Dickey as AD but I fear Linda and he may clash.

Dickey refused to let his vball team play against a school that had a dude on their vball team . He even took that stand during the conference tourney. He stood by the decision even when the team need one more win to greatly increase their chances at making the tourney.

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He would be a strong choice, I think.

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We need a football first AD. Football represents ~85% of the revenue at most power 4 institutions. The only other sport that makes money is Men's basketball. Take excellent care of football with a small side of men's basketball and do what must be done for title IX (but precious little more) for all the others and things will be fine.

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Women's basketball is the fastest-growing sport in America. It will be a revenue sport eventually. It should be prioritized along with football and men's basketball, though not quite to those same levels in terms of coach's pay, etc.

But I want an AD that strives for excellence in every sport we offer. Smart decisions have to be made regarding resource allocation, but I don't think we should be punting any sport. If we offer it as a varsity sport, we should be striving to compete at the highest level possible.

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0% chance.

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Oprah Winfrey. Everyone gets a Buick!

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She has been quite successful. I would love to have Oprah type of success in athletics. Also, think of how she will improve our NIL.

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"Everybody gets a car!"

Does the word idiot mean anything you?

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Women's basketball is the fastest-growing sport in America. It will be a revenue sport eventually.

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It's not going to be. Professional women's basketball has been a welfare case since the WNBA was founded 30 years ago.

Just the way it is.

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In July of 2024, the WNBA signed an 11-year $2.2 billion TV deal with ESPN and signed a separate deal this September with USA's parent company that expanded on the 11-year, $200 million deal it inked with them around that same time.

At at the college level, women's basketball was a significant driver behind an eight-year, $920 million deal to continue carrying 40 NCAA championships (21 women's and 19 men's events). That contract, finalized in 2024, was worth three times more than the previous deal.

Those of you that think women's basketball remains an afterthought in the national sports consciousness haven't been paying attention. The sport is gaining legitimate traction, and both TV ratings and live attendance are bearing that out.

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Women's basketball is the fastest-growing sport in America. It will be a revenue sport eventually.

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It's not going to be. Professional women's basketball has been a welfare case since the WNBA was founded 30 years ago.

Just the way it is.

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In July of 2024, the WNBA signed an 11-year $2.2 billion TV deal with ESPN and signed a separate deal this September with USA's parent company that expanded on the 11-year, $200 million deal it inked with them around that same time.

At at the college level, women's basketball was a significant driver behind an eight-year, $920 million deal to continue carrying 40 NCAA championships (21 women's and 19 men's events). That contract, finalized in 2024, was worth three times more than the previous deal.

Those of you that think women's basketball remains an afterthought in the national sports consciousness haven't been paying attention. The sport is gaining legitimate traction, and both TV ratings and live attendance are bearing that out.

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It's not grass roots but astroturf by a politicized Disney

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Women's basketball is the fastest-growing sport in America. It will be a revenue sport eventually.

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It's not going to be. Professional women's basketball has been a welfare case since the WNBA was founded 30 years ago.

Just the way it is.

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In July of 2024, the WNBA signed an 11-year $2.2 billion TV deal with ESPN and signed a separate deal this September with USA's parent company that expanded on the 11-year, $200 million deal it inked with them around that same time.

At at the college level, women's basketball was a significant driver behind an eight-year, $920 million deal to continue carrying 40 NCAA championships (21 women's and 19 men's events). That contract, finalized in 2024, was worth three times more than the previous deal.

Those of you that think women's basketball remains an afterthought in the national sports consciousness haven't been paying attention. The sport is gaining legitimate traction, and both TV ratings and live attendance are bearing that out.

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It's not grass roots but astroturf by a politicized Disney

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You can't trick people into habitually watching things they don't want to watch. Women's basketball has been marketed just like every other sport on the planet. But the rise in viewership, television value and in-person attendance tells an obvious story.

You Title IX-hating boomers can deny the reality of it all you want. But the surge in popularity is real, and it's not going anywhere anytime soon.

Nick Saban would look good in a green and gold (not yellow) jacket.

And he knows a thing or 2 about football.

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Women's basketball is the fastest-growing sport in America. It will be a revenue sport eventually.

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It's not going to be. Professional women's basketball has been a welfare case since the WNBA was founded 30 years ago.

Just the way it is.

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In July of 2024, the WNBA signed an 11-year $2.2 billion TV deal with ESPN and signed a separate deal this September with USA's parent company that expanded on the 11-year, $200 million deal it inked with them around that same time.

At at the college level, women's basketball was a significant driver behind an eight-year, $920 million deal to continue carrying 40 NCAA championships (21 women's and 19 men's events). That contract, finalized in 2024, was worth three times more than the previous deal.

Those of you that think women's basketball remains an afterthought in the national sports consciousness haven't been paying attention. The sport is gaining legitimate traction, and both TV ratings and live attendance are bearing that out.

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It's not grass roots but astroturf by a politicized Disney

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You can't trick people into habitually watching things they don't want to watch. Women's basketball has been marketed just like every other sport on the planet. But the rise in viewership, television value and in-person attendance tells an obvious story.

You Title IX-hating boomers can deny the reality of it all you want. But the surge in popularity is real, and it's not going anywhere anytime soon.

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You mean this titleIX hating boomer that had season tickets to women's hoops for ten years; this guy?

Quit being a clown. You try to be all factual and based on data and then turn around with your titleIX boomer hating comment.

It's going to take a lot of fertilizer before anything of importance grows in that astroturf. Who knows, maybe you're just the guy to spread it.

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BUAL said:

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This is like an angry old dudes thread.
Are you typing from a Dairy Queen in West Texas?
Guessing average age at... 78

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It kills me how many of them are sexist. Who cares what is between their legs as long as they get the job done. We have had plenty of *****es that have failed miserably including our current AD.

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P e n i s is not a vulgar word. I edited what I really wanted to put for that reason.

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Depends on where it is.

this was announced so our ad can have a layup to start his career here my firing dave

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Women's basketball is the fastest-growing sport in America. It will be a revenue sport eventually.

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It's not going to be. Professional women's basketball has been a welfare case since the WNBA was founded 30 years ago.

Just the way it is.

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In July of 2024, the WNBA signed an 11-year $2.2 billion TV deal with ESPN and signed a separate deal this September with USA's parent company that expanded on the 11-year, $200 million deal it inked with them around that same time.

At at the college level, women's basketball was a significant driver behind an eight-year, $920 million deal to continue carrying 40 NCAA championships (21 women's and 19 men's events). That contract, finalized in 2024, was worth three times more than the previous deal.

Those of you that think women's basketball remains an afterthought in the national sports consciousness haven't been paying attention. The sport is gaining legitimate traction, and both TV ratings and live attendance are bearing that out.

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Current NBA deal is $76 billion. Women don't even break even with that TV deal.

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Women's basketball is the fastest-growing sport in America. It will be a revenue sport eventually.

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It's not going to be. Professional women's basketball has been a welfare case since the WNBA was founded 30 years ago.

Just the way it is.

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In July of 2024, the WNBA signed an 11-year $2.2 billion TV deal with ESPN and signed a separate deal this September with USA's parent company that expanded on the 11-year, $200 million deal it inked with them around that same time.

At at the college level, women's basketball was a significant driver behind an eight-year, $920 million deal to continue carrying 40 NCAA championships (21 women's and 19 men's events). That contract, finalized in 2024, was worth three times more than the previous deal.

Those of you that think women's basketball remains an afterthought in the national sports consciousness haven't been paying attention. The sport is gaining legitimate traction, and both TV ratings and live attendance are bearing that out.

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It's not grass roots but astroturf by a politicized Disney

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You can't trick people into habitually watching things they don't want to watch. Women's basketball has been marketed just like every other sport on the planet. But the rise in viewership, television value and in-person attendance tells an obvious story.

You Title IX-hating boomers can deny the reality of it all you want. But the surge in popularity is real, and it's not going anywhere anytime soon.

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Name 5 WNBA players without looking. Name 3 WNBA teams without looking. Name the WNBA team in your town.

You can't do it. And neither can any woman in America. I think the only people watching WNBA are teenagers running VPNs in the Philippines to boost the ratings. Just like all the TikTok vids.

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Women's basketball is the fastest-growing sport in America. It will be a revenue sport eventually.

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It's not going to be. Professional women's basketball has been a welfare case since the WNBA was founded 30 years ago.

Just the way it is.

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In July of 2024, the WNBA signed an 11-year $2.2 billion TV deal with ESPN and signed a separate deal this September with USA's parent company that expanded on the 11-year, $200 million deal it inked with them around that same time.

At at the college level, women's basketball was a significant driver behind an eight-year, $920 million deal to continue carrying 40 NCAA championships (21 women's and 19 men's events). That contract, finalized in 2024, was worth three times more than the previous deal.

Those of you that think women's basketball remains an afterthought in the national sports consciousness haven't been paying attention. The sport is gaining legitimate traction, and both TV ratings and live attendance are bearing that out.

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Current NBA deal is $76 billion. Women don't even break even with that TV deal.

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The NBA has waaaaaayyyyyyyy more inventory, so a direct comparison is silly on its face. But I wasn't making a direct comparison. Of course, an established men's league is going to be more successful than a women's league that has existed for less than 30 years.

The point is the rapid growth that will only continue as the quality of play and marketing continue to improve.

People forget really damn quickly that the NBA finals were shown on tape delay less than 50 years ago. Give these women time. The revolution that has started with Caitlin Clark is only in its infancy and will continue with the players behind her.

Women's basketball is here to stay ... and I'm saying that as someone who was never a fan of the sport until recently. The current product is better than it's ever been, and viewing audiences are responding accordingly.

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bear2be2 said:

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Women's basketball is the fastest-growing sport in America. It will be a revenue sport eventually.

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It's not going to be. Professional women's basketball has been a welfare case since the WNBA was founded 30 years ago.

Just the way it is.

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In July of 2024, the WNBA signed an 11-year $2.2 billion TV deal with ESPN and signed a separate deal this September with USA's parent company that expanded on the 11-year, $200 million deal it inked with them around that same time.

At at the college level, women's basketball was a significant driver behind an eight-year, $920 million deal to continue carrying 40 NCAA championships (21 women's and 19 men's events). That contract, finalized in 2024, was worth three times more than the previous deal.

Those of you that think women's basketball remains an afterthought in the national sports consciousness haven't been paying attention. The sport is gaining legitimate traction, and both TV ratings and live attendance are bearing that out.

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It's not grass roots but astroturf by a politicized Disney

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You can't trick people into habitually watching things they don't want to watch. Women's basketball has been marketed just like every other sport on the planet. But the rise in viewership, television value and in-person attendance tells an obvious story.

You Title IX-hating boomers can deny the reality of it all you want. But the surge in popularity is real, and it's not going anywhere anytime soon.

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Name 5 WNBA players without looking. Name 3 WNBA teams without looking. Name the WNBA team in your town.

You can't do it. And neither can any woman in America. I think the only people watching WNBA are teenagers running VPNs in the Philippines to boost the ratings. Just like all the TikTok vids.

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I can do all of those things. And so can a lot of men who consume the sport now that didn't/wouldn't five or 10 years ago. That's kind of a huge part of the sport's popularity growth.

All of these viewership statistics are readily available. You sound like a flat-earther trying to discount them.

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Name 5 WNBA players without looking. Name 3 WNBA teams without looking. Name the WNBA team in your town.

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Caitlin Clark, Caitlin Clark, Caitlin Clark, Caitlin Clark, Caitlin Clark. She plays for the Indianapolis Somethingortheothers.

Then there's the black chick who is the Joker to her Batman whose name I can't remember.

You don't understand how poor the level of play in women's hoops is. When I was in college, we used to play pick up games. We were hacks. Some played in high school, some had never played it as an organized sport or been coached. The women's team starting point guard would come to play with us because it was a higher level of competition than what she faced in practice.

That's why organized mens high school teams beat women's olympic teams.

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hodedofome said:

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Name 5 WNBA players without looking. Name 3 WNBA teams without looking. Name the WNBA team in your town.

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Caitlin Clark, Caitlin Clark, Caitlin Clark, Caitlin Clark, Caitlin Clark. She plays for the Indianapolis Somethingortheothers.

Then there's the black chick who is the Joker to her Batman whose name I can't remember.

You don't understand how poor the level of play in women's hoops is. When I was in college, we used to play pick up games. We were hacks. Some played in high school, some had never played it as an organized sport or been coached. The women's team starting point guard would come to play with us because it was a higher level of competition than what she faced in practice.

That's why organized mens high school teams beat women's olympic teams.

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"Breaking news: Fully developed men are bigger, stronger and faster than women. More at 10."

Your local Golden Gloves heavyweight would beat the hell of Vasiliy Lomachenko, too. That doesn't make him a better fighter.

The reason people watch women's sports -- or youth sports or high school sports or sub-heavyweight boxing/MMA -- at the highest levels is to enjoy their skills relative to their peers. No one thinks Caitlin Clark or Paige Bueckers are consistently getting their shot off over a 6-foot-3 dude with twice their vertical. That doesn't mean they're not elite at what they do.

And whether you enjoy or respect it or not, they've quite clearly become a ratings draw for their sport.

Baylor football will become relevant again but not while she is here.

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Baylor football will become relevant again but not while she is here.

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WTH does that have to do with a pissing match over whether people give a flying fig about the WNBA?

ik this is a joke but they do exist and they do have deep pockets. Paula Hurd

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hodedofome said:

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Name 5 WNBA players without looking. Name 3 WNBA teams without looking. Name the WNBA team in your town.

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Caitlin Clark, Caitlin Clark, Caitlin Clark, Caitlin Clark, Caitlin Clark. She plays for the Indianapolis Somethingortheothers.

Then there's the black chick who is the Joker to her Batman whose name I can't remember.

You don't understand how poor the level of play in women's hoops is. When I was in college, we used to play pick up games. We were hacks. Some played in high school, some had never played it as an organized sport or been coached. The women's team starting point guard would come to play with us because it was a higher level of competition than what she faced in practice.

That's why organized mens high school teams beat women's olympic teams.

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Your knowledge of women's basketball is equal to mine and 99% of men out there. And 100% of women.

Men already have to fight off house intruders and get heavy boxes down from the attic. Now we have to watch women's sports for you too? When are you going to pick up your end of the couch?

When women watch sports, then things will change. But I don't see a bunch of men watching women's sports over a men's sport showing at the same time.

hodedofome said:

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hodedofome said:

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Name 5 WNBA players without looking. Name 3 WNBA teams without looking. Name the WNBA team in your town.

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Caitlin Clark, Caitlin Clark, Caitlin Clark, Caitlin Clark, Caitlin Clark. She plays for the Indianapolis Somethingortheothers.

Then there's the black chick who is the Joker to her Batman whose name I can't remember.

You don't understand how poor the level of play in women's hoops is. When I was in college, we used to play pick up games. We were hacks. Some played in high school, some had never played it as an organized sport or been coached. The women's team starting point guard would come to play with us because it was a higher level of competition than what she faced in practice.

That's why organized mens high school teams beat women's olympic teams.

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Your knowledge of women's basketball is equal to mine and 99% of men out there. And 100% of women.

Men already have to fight off house intruders and get heavy boxes down from the attic. Now we have to watch women's sports for you too? When are you going to pick up your end of the couch?

When women watch sports, then things will change. But I don't see a bunch of men watching women's sports over a men's sport showing at the same time unless it's beach volleyball.

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FIFY

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Women's basketball is the fastest-growing sport in America. It will be a revenue sport eventually.

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It's not going to be. Professional women's basketball has been a welfare case since the WNBA was founded 30 years ago.

Just the way it is.

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In July of 2024, the WNBA signed an 11-year $2.2 billion TV deal with ESPN and signed a separate deal this September with USA's parent company that expanded on the 11-year, $200 million deal it inked with them around that same time.

At at the college level, women's basketball was a significant driver behind an eight-year, $920 million deal to continue carrying 40 NCAA championships (21 women's and 19 men's events). That contract, finalized in 2024, was worth three times more than the previous deal.

Those of you that think women's basketball remains an afterthought in the national sports consciousness haven't been paying attention. The sport is gaining legitimate traction, and both TV ratings and live attendance are bearing that out.

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Current NBA deal is $76 billion. Women don't even break even with that TV deal.

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The NBA has waaaaaayyyyyyyy more inventory, so a direct comparison is silly on its face. But I wasn't making a direct comparison. Of course, an established men's league is going to be more successful than a women's league that has existed for less than 30 years.

The point is the rapid growth that will only continue as the quality of play and marketing continue to improve.

People forget really damn quickly that the NBA finals were shown on tape delay less than 50 years ago. Give these women time. The revolution that has started with Caitlin Clark is only in its infancy and will continue with the players behind her.

Women's basketball is here to stay ... and I'm saying that as someone who was never a fan of the sport until recently. The current product is better than it's ever been, and viewing audiences are responding accordingly.

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Yet you use NBA talking points in your rebuttal. I predict that the Women's Volleyball League will surpass the WBNA in the next decade.

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This is like an angry old dudes thread.
Are you typing from a Dairy Queen in West Texas?
Guessing average age at... 78

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Excuuuuuse me, bigot! I'm transundergraduate. I am no different than a cis undergraduate. Transundergraduate IS undergraduate!