Ok you loud mouths. Let's see how many actually cancel their season tickets. She should be boo'd at every opportunity.

So when Baylor gets thumped in Arizona this weekend. What questions do you even ask !????

" hey Dave, when do you think this is fixed ? November 2026???

I see it as a serious move on the AD front. If this had been rushed like some wanted an inexperienced person would have been promoted today, about which the same folks would be *****ing about today, to fire Aranda now. An outside experienced AD is not going to be able to start until likely the end of this school year or at least not within a week or two.

Nevertheless the new AD will have time to navigate all of this. Also the BMDs may have concluded they would rather spend alot more money on players and see how that goes.

We must not have the money.

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Of course he is staying. You don't rush to hire an AD and then immediately tell him/her they've got to fill their FB HC role in the worst market to be attracting a coach ever.

By this time next year, DA is either fired or a lame duck, and new AD has been working on a replacement for months. Far better scenario for the school to be in.

2026 gonna suck, but it was gonna suck regardless

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This is where we are at NOW. Why add another a year

PartyBear said:

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I see it as a serious move on the AD front. If this had been rushed like some wanted an inexperienced person would have been promoted today, about which the same folks would be *****ing about today, to fire Aranda now. An outside experienced AD is not going to be able to start until likely the end of this school year or at least not within a week or two.

Nevertheless the new AD will have time to navigate all of this. Also the BMDs may have concluded they would rather spend alot more money on players and see how that goes.

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Don't put it pass Linda to hire one of the interims doing the job right now.

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Of course he is staying. You don't rush to hire an AD and then immediately tell him/her they've got to fill their FB HC role in the worst market to be attracting a coach ever.

By this time next year, DA is either fired or a lame duck, and new AD has been working on a replacement for months. Far better scenario for the school to be in.

2026 gonna suck, but it was gonna suck regardless

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I'm disappointed as I wanted a clean sweep but this looks like a reasonable take to me at this point in time. Gonna be a harder sell if we get smashed in our last 2 games.

Got to get an AD first and then a new coach. I suppose someone on top of their game could have gotten us both as a package deal or at least would have had Mack's replacement ready when the announcement of his stepping down was made. It sounds like we are now just starting to look for an AD.

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It's funny you mention Steele. That's exactly where Dave's program is headed. But pop the champagne bottle Party. Your boy Dave gets to come back another year and continue burying the program.

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Aranda isn't nearly as bad as Steele, but this feels exactly like the decision to bring Kevin Steele back for a fourth season in 2002.

There wasn't a fan or pundit on the planet who thought Kevin Steele was a good head coach or was capable of actually leading a Baylor turnaround, and yet we doubled down on an incompetent leader at the expense of the long-term health of our program.

We're repeating that mistake today. Even Aranda's supporters (what few he has left) don't think he's a good coach or capable of leading this program back to a championship level. And yet he survives a well-earned firing for the third or fourth time in a six-year tenure.

It's insane.

4 losing seasons in 6 years is very likely once AZ pounds BU Saturdays. Not sure what more Dave can possibly do to earn his pink slip.
I said it earlier this year and rings true again. Someone else is falling on the sword for Dave. Likely Powledge who deserves to be fired. But my larger sentiment remains true. It's always someone else taking the fall for Dave.

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Keeping Dave has already allowed Cincy, Houston and Az to pass BU. I suspect I'll be able to add Okie St to that list this time next year. But remember Dave is a good man. That's truly what matters

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And hiring him in the first place allowed Tech to pass us with the coach we could have had for a song.

The hiring and retention of Dave Aranda has set this program back enormously. We've lost any reasonable standard for success we ever had under Briles and Rhule.

I ran that email thru google translator and this came back:

The BMDs who were friends with CAB still hold a grudge and are not going to pay for Mack's contractual buyout mistake. There isn't enough money to pay for a new AD and a new head coach and a new coaching staff and fund NIL and keep Scott Drew happy.. So, we're going to roll with co-head ADs and CDA for the foreseeable future. And lest you forget… it's basketball season!!

I know some of you are saying you will check out, but you know deep down, like me, you just have to stay and watch.

So moving on with my life. Call me back when we have a different coach.

PartyBear said:

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I see it as a serious move on the AD front. If this had been rushed like some wanted an inexperienced person would have been promoted today, about which the same folks would be *****ing about today, to fire Aranda now. An outside experienced AD is not going to be able to start until likely the end of this school year or at least not within a week or two.

Nevertheless the new AD will have time to navigate all of this. Also the BMDs may have concluded they would rather spend alot more money on players and see how that goes.

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Jared Mosley has been an AD since he was 26 and has more than two decades of experience in athletics administration, much of that at a university in ACU that has all the same bull**** religious piety/politics he'd be dealing with at Baylor.

This narrative you're weaving that our only readily available choices were bad ones is silly.

Mosley or Dickey are both wholly qualified and would have been fine hires. But we're going to insist on dicking around with a nationwide search and end up with another self-important blowhard like the one we just soft fired.

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We must not have the money.

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This is my biggest takeaway. Our administration must have alienated all of our big-money donors if we can't come up with the money to buy out what is obviously a failed head football coach.

They were willing to start today or Monday and that they are legally available to start by then, you think? An in house promotion could work that quickly. Hiring an outside AD is not as fast and simple as you think.

I encourage you to send an email to Office_of_President@baylor.edu to let them know how disappointing this is.

Me thinks she would have been 100 times better off to just keep her mouth shut and say nothing. Criticism either way but now its gonna pile up higher than the trashy mountain out there in the land dump

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IowaBear said:

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Keeping Dave has already allowed Cincy, Houston and Az to pass BU. I suspect I'll be able to add Okie St to that list this time next year. But remember Dave is a good man. That's truly what matters

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And hiring him in the first place allowed Tech to pass us with the coach we could have had for a song.

The hiring and retention of Dave Aranda has set this program back enormously. We've lost any reasonable standard for success we ever had under Briles and Rhule.

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I hear what you are saying, but it would have been a song and $20million+. And regardless of who we eventually get as the next coach, if we don't get that $20million player payroll, Tech will still be ahead.

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PartyBear said:

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I see it as a serious move on the AD front. If this had been rushed like some wanted an inexperienced person would have been promoted today, about which the same folks would be *****ing about today, to fire Aranda now. An outside experienced AD is not going to be able to start until likely the end of this school year or at least not within a week or two.

Nevertheless the new AD will have time to navigate all of this. Also the BMDs may have concluded they would rather spend alot more money on players and see how that goes.

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Don't put it pass Linda to hire one of the interims doing the job right now.

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Are either of them homosexual ?

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Every game is going to be empty next year. Awful move to keep him

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Let's see what happens. We have probably the best recruiting class ever coming in next year that the athletic department will hype. We will lose some fans, but I hope most will still come to games.

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cy12 said:

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Every game is going to be empty next year. Awful move to keep him

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Let's see what happens. We have probably the best recruiting class ever coming in next year that the athletic department will hype. We will lose some fans, but I hope most will still come to games.

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Let's hope that stays intact.

I have no confidence in the ability this current bunch running the show to hire a good coach and the worst thing we could do is make another bad hire. So *hopefully* we can hire a competent AD and who can hire a decent coach.

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Baylor gonna Baylor EPIC failure by Linda. Dave will officially bottom the ship out next season. But it won't matter. Might as well give dip**** Dave a lifetime contract

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Well, I suppose by keeping him on through 2026 it should take a bite out of the eventual buyout. Folks in Lubbock should be quaking in their boots at what we can do with an extra $4.5mm...

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Just got another email from LadyPrez. I was able to copy it this time:

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Over the past several weeks, Baylor University has undertaken a comprehensive review of our athletics leadership and the future of our football program. This process has been marked by prayerful consideration, candid conversations and a deep commitment to our Christian mission and values.

This decision reflects several critical factors:
Stability during transition: Our next Vice President and Director of Intercollegiate Athletics must have the opportunity to assess the football program and chart its long-term direction;
Student-athlete experience: Retaining our current roster and protecting a nationally ranked recruiting class are essential to our future success; and
Financial stewardship: In an era of extreme volatility in college athletics with NIL, the transfer portal, revenue-sharing, and much more, this approach allows us to invest wisely in the program's future rather than incur significant buyout costs during an unprecedented turnover of coaches across the country.

We acknowledge the frustrations many of you feel, and we share in them. Baylor Football has experienced both historic highs and challenging seasons under Coach Aranda. While we celebrate the Big 12 Championship and Sugar Bowl victory in 2021, we know this season has not met our shared expectations.

Please know that our team respects and loves playing for Coach Aranda. I can also attest he aligns with Baylor's Christian mission and is an incredible ambassador for our University.

Our strength as a university has always come from our ability to stand together students, alumni, faculty and staff, and fans united by faith and shared purpose. While opinions may differ, our commitment to supporting our student-athletes and representing Baylor with integrity must remain unwavering. Let us rally behind our team, encourage one another and demonstrate the unity that makes Baylor special.

Your support emotional, spiritual and financial matters tremendously. Our student-athletes deserve a program that makes you proud, and we remain committed to building a team that competes for championships and reflects Baylor's values.

Our search for a new Athletics Director is underway, and I am confident we will welcome a new leader who will usher in a new era of competitive success and embrace our fans in new and exciting ways. Thank you for standing with us through both the challenges and the celebrations.

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Baylor just doesn't really care about winning.

We are still more concerned about trying to manage optics.

It is what it is.

It's a rock and hard place. Can't hire FB coach with no AD unless you're LSU I suppose. Everyone thinks we just hire the UNT AD and he brings Morris. I'd like that but for all we know the AD and/or Morris were lukewarm on the jobs. Strikeout there and then you have no AD and FB coach.

If they're out then you're hiring an AD and saying "by the way you're tenure will be judged off making the most important hire in a record amount of time without knowing the landscape of your new job and therefore maybe struggling to raise the money.

This brings me to my final point. If the boosters closed the purse strings then Linda can't really do anything. Aranda has a pretty steep buyout from all reports. A new AD will have to work to unlock those purse strings.

I'm not some huge Linda cheerleader. I just don't think we can hang this around her neck without knowing the full story. If there is no money the only option is Dave returns and then you release a statement like she did praising the recruiting and saying the next AD can make an assessment on the program. Hopefully she works really hard to make sure we attract a quality AD.

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We must not have the money.

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This is my biggest takeaway. Our administration must have alienated all of our big-money donors if we can't come up with the money to buy out what is obviously a failed head football coach.

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It would not have been our administration that did this. Remember when you were an advocate of and staunch defender of burning it down 10 years ago? The Regents agreeing with your view back then is when that happened. Hopefully they may be coming back around. But in a form different than before, instead of big HC budget and new buildings the focus now being on paying the players. To paraphrase James Carville to a degree. Now "it's the players stupid" that is the focus of college athletics.

Linda is a proven, incompetent clown. Can't read a room, mishandled COVID, treats Baylor like a pine cove summer camp for adults.

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Every game is going to be empty next year. Awful move to keep him

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Let's see what happens. We have probably the best recruiting class ever coming in next year that the athletic department will hype. We will lose some fans, but I hope most will still come to games.

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The best recruiting class ever is utterly meaningless on a one-year timeline. None of those guys are likely to be ready to compete at a championship level next season and most will take two or three years to get there if they ever do.

The selling point of high school recruiting is that you can develop the talent you have into a winning product, which buys you time to develop the freshmen you're bringing in. Dave has shown no ability whatsoever to do any of this.

These are just shiny new toys we'll never get to play with.

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bear2be2 said:

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We must not have the money.

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This is my biggest takeaway. Our administration must have alienated all of our big-money donors if we can't come up with the money to buy out what is obviously a failed head football coach.

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It would not have been our administration that did this. Remember when you were an advocate of and staunch defender of burning it down 10 years ago? The Regents agreeing with your view back then is when that happened. Hopefully they may be coming back around. But in a form different than before, instead of big HC budget and new buildings focused on the players. To paraphrase James Carville to a degree. Now "it's the players stupid" that is the focus of college athletics.

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We've played in two New Year's bowls since then. Any AD that couldn't sell a vision off those seasons sucks horribly at his job.

But the fact of the matter is we had the money to renew Matt Rhule's contract and to back up the Brink's truck to Dave Aranda's driveway when we thought he was leaving after 20221-- and again at Scott Drew's to keep him from heading east to Lexington. The money wasn't the problem. What we did with that money was.

Rich people don't like throwing good money after bad. And we've done nothing but with our football program since Rhule left.

Quick. Somebody chase down the location of where they put the tarps when Floyd Casey was demolished almost a decade ago. Gonna need to dust those off and order quite a few more to cover about 40,000 empty seats next year.

Feel free to delete your account.

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Every game is going to be empty next year. Awful move to keep him

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Let's see what happens. We have probably the best recruiting class ever coming in next year that the athletic department will hype. We will lose some fans, but I hope most will still come to games.

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Less than 5% of true freshmen actually play or even contribute meaningful minutes at a P4 level. The majority of play for a few minutes in the maximum amount of games you can play and still redshirt with most of those games only in blowouts. I don't understand some of our fans keep thinking this class will all be instant starters and high level contributors. We have people thinking we have a Georgia/Bama/Oregon/Ohio St/Notre Dame class. Check back next year this time and you'll see about 2, maybe 3 who are actually contributors.

chorne68 said:

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cy12 said:

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Every game is going to be empty next year. Awful move to keep him

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Let's see what happens. We have probably the best recruiting class ever coming in next year that the athletic department will hype. We will lose some fans, but I hope most will still come to games.

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I genuinely feel bad for the kids coming in. They deserve to be developed and given a shot at the NFL if they want...
Who have we sent to thr NFL since 2021? Dave's program drains talent from players and energy from fanbases. Sticking with this coach is athletic program suicide.

Not surprising. Trying to get a good HC without an AD in place is not an easy lift without trying to raid a single institution to get both at once.

All this statement is really saying is: our priority is a new AD and he will make the decision from there.

marigold23 said:

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All this statement is really saying is: our priority is a new AD and he will make the decision from there.

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Then why say anything?