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Lol wut? Aranda had "the right roster" THIS season. This past season removed all doubt that he just isn't a HC. If he screwed up this badly with a good roster, just imagine how bad it'll be during next season's rebuilding year.

If we can make it to three wins next season, it'll be an epic upset.

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The good roster was only on offense. Theoretically, the defensive roster was going to be really improved via the portal and I think that was the source of the higher expectations, but because of injuries we never got to see it. But even there it did not match the "perceived" talent on the offensive side. The sad thing is that in the last several losses, the offense has given the opponents more points than the defense.

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So in year six, Aranda heavily relying on the portal to improve the defense only underscores one of the most glaring deficiencies in his ability as a coach, developing talent.

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I don't know. It has worked pretty well for Tech (relying on the portal to improve the defense).

I think you have to look at it another way if you don't think he can develop talent. It boils down to the position coaches not being able to develop talent. Those are the people working with the players to develop them. So, perhaps the correct knock is that he can't hire the right position coaches to do the developing.

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CaliBear00 said:

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blackie said:

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CaliBear00 said:

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Lol wut? Aranda had "the right roster" THIS season. This past season removed all doubt that he just isn't a HC. If he screwed up this badly with a good roster, just imagine how bad it'll be during next season's rebuilding year.

If we can make it to three wins next season, it'll be an epic upset.

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The good roster was only on offense. Theoretically, the defensive roster was going to be really improved via the portal and I think that was the source of the higher expectations, but because of injuries we never got to see it. But even there it did not match the "perceived" talent on the offensive side. The sad thing is that in the last several losses, the offense has given the opponents more points than the defense.

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So in year six, Aranda heavily relying on the portal to improve the defense only underscores one of the most glaring deficiencies in his ability as a coach, developing talent.

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I don't know the Portal and NIL changed everything. A lot of schools are relying on the Portal to keep up.

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What utter rubbish. In six damn years, Aranda couldn't develop anybody into a legit starter in the front seven? That's a skill issue, my guy. Players come and go now more than ever, but if a coach is solely depending on the portal to patch up their roster, that's a sign of a program that has failed miserably at developing players.

I asked Art Briles about Dave Aranda being retained by @BUFootball. Art & Dave coached together twice.
"It doesn't surprise me. Four years ago, they were conference champs. Those are hard to come by."
Dave reached out to Briles when he was hired at BU.https://t.co/YqjwnNOOT5

— Matt Mosley (@mattmosley) November 26, 2025

blackie said:

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CaliBear00 said:

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blackie said:

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CaliBear00 said:

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Lol wut? Aranda had "the right roster" THIS season. This past season removed all doubt that he just isn't a HC. If he screwed up this badly with a good roster, just imagine how bad it'll be during next season's rebuilding year.

If we can make it to three wins next season, it'll be an epic upset.

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The good roster was only on offense. Theoretically, the defensive roster was going to be really improved via the portal and I think that was the source of the higher expectations, but because of injuries we never got to see it. But even there it did not match the "perceived" talent on the offensive side. The sad thing is that in the last several losses, the offense has given the opponents more points than the defense.

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So in year six, Aranda heavily relying on the portal to improve the defense only underscores one of the most glaring deficiencies in his ability as a coach, developing talent.

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I don't know. It has worked pretty well for Tech (relying on the portal to improve the defense).

I think you have to look at it another way if you don't think he can develop talent. It boils down to the position coaches not being able to develop talent. Those are the people working with the players to develop them. So, perhaps the correct knock is that he can't hire the right position coaches to do the developing.

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A better question is what does Dave do well as a head coach?

Even the things I've given him credit for in the past have gone to complete **** this season.

It truly is a nauseating game of whack-a-mole with Dave as your head coach.

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I asked Art Briles about Dave Aranda being retained by @BUFootball. Art & Dave coached together twice.
"It doesn't surprise me. Four years ago, they were conference champs. Those are hard to come by."
Dave reached out to Briles when he was hired at BU.https://t.co/YqjwnNOOT5

— Matt Mosley (@mattmosley) November 26, 2025

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Isn't that grounds for firing Aranda from our BOR? I mean in their narrow views talking to Briles is an absolute unforgivable sin. Dave should be fired for reaching out to him

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FLBear5630 said:

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CaliBear00 said:

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CaliBear00 said:

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Lol wut? Aranda had "the right roster" THIS season. This past season removed all doubt that he just isn't a HC. If he screwed up this badly with a good roster, just imagine how bad it'll be during next season's rebuilding year.

If we can make it to three wins next season, it'll be an epic upset.

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The good roster was only on offense. Theoretically, the defensive roster was going to be really improved via the portal and I think that was the source of the higher expectations, but because of injuries we never got to see it. But even there it did not match the "perceived" talent on the offensive side. The sad thing is that in the last several losses, the offense has given the opponents more points than the defense.

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So in year six, Aranda heavily relying on the portal to improve the defense only underscores one of the most glaring deficiencies in his ability as a coach, developing talent.

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I don't know the Portal and NIL changed everything. A lot of schools are relying on the Portal to keep up.

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What utter rubbish. In six damn years, Aranda couldn't develop anybody into a legit starter in the front seven? That's a skill issue, my guy. Players come and go now more than ever, but if a coach is solely depending on the portal to patch up their roster, that's a sign of a program that has failed miserably at developing players.

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This is so very true, and to echo the point.
Since 2022 only one player has been drafted to the NFL(not counting UDFA).
And that player was the nose tackle he brought over from LSU.

The issue is even if you buy David a good roster he still isn't a good head football coach. If they bought him a roster, he would still underperform.

Mine as well get a good coach after next year and dominate with a $ roster, if they go that route.

He needs to be removed after next year almost no matter what.. he's already failed at this job twice. Only exception would be a conference title and playoff berth with very high quality, incredible effort/energy, and consistent play on every side of the ball (no shot)

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UCaliBear00 said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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CaliBear00 said:

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blackie said:

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CaliBear00 said:

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Lol wut? Aranda had "the right roster" THIS season. This past season removed all doubt that he just isn't a HC. If he screwed up this badly with a good roster, just imagine how bad it'll be during next season's rebuilding year.

If we can make it to three wins next season, it'll be an epic upset.

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The good roster was only on offense. Theoretically, the defensive roster was going to be really improved via the portal and I think that was the source of the higher expectations, but because of injuries we never got to see it. But even there it did not match the "perceived" talent on the offensive side. The sad thing is that in the last several losses, the offense has given the opponents more points than the defense.

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So in year six, Aranda heavily relying on the portal to improve the defense only underscores one of the most glaring deficiencies in his ability as a coach, developing talent.

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I don't know the Portal and NIL changed everything. A lot of schools are relying on the Portal to keep up.

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What utter rubbish. In six damn years, Aranda couldn't develop anybody into a legit starter in the front seven? That's a skill issue, my guy. Players come and go now more than ever, but if a coach is solely depending on the portal to patch up their roster, that's a sign of a program that has failed miserably at developing players.

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This is so very true, and to echo the point.
Since 2022 only one player has been drafted to the NFL(not counting UDFA).
And that player was the nose tackle he brought over from LSU.

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Is that on staff or the quality of talent they are able to attract at Baylor? This is not a save Dave comment, but a realistic view and expectation. What are the realistic expectations? We have 2 top 10 finishes and one doesn't count because the HC had nothing to do with that season. It was everyone else.

So what is the expectation?

Someone on here thought that going to the playoff. What? When has Baylor EVER done that, even at our peak with Briles pushing the edge (that is a positive comment about Briles he used every tool in the tool box) we got to #7 our one real season.

So, you tell me how many players left Baylor and the current coaching staff and are now tearing it up. How many are going to be drafted? Is is the Coaching or the quality of talent BU can attract?

The year of the Sugar Bowl win was led by players already in the program before Dave hit town, and groomed by prior staff. Credit him for not screwing the pooch after taking the reins. But all the positive in that year fades for me when I look at the '23 debacle, followed by a poor start in '24 salvaged by a remarkable turnaround for some W's. That was still not great football in terms of technic/execution, but it bode well for '25 in terms of more experience and maturity. I doubt this team right now would beat last year's team at the same stage. We haven't "gotten better" despite the experience and practice. The LSU game was winnable absent mistakes; right now, I doubt we could stay on the field with that team. And I don't take any solace in the status of the current LSU group. Compared with ourselves, we digressed. I don't see that as a talent deficit or lack of player buy-in. Not much else remains IMO.

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The year of the Sugar Bowl win was led by players already in the program before Dave hit town, and groomed by prior staff. Credit him for not screwing the pooch after taking the reins. But all the positive in that year fades for me when I look at the '23 debacle, followed by a poor start in '24 salvaged by a remarkable turnaround for some W's. That was still not great football in terms of technic/execution, but it bode well for '25 in terms of more experience and maturity. I doubt this team right now would beat last year's team at the same stage. We haven't "gotten better" despite the experience and practice. The LSU game was winnable absent mistakes; right now, I doubt we could stay on the field with that team. And I don't take any solace in the status of the current LSU group. Compared with ourselves, we digressed. I don't see that as a talent deficit or lack of player buy-in. Not much else remains IMO.

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6 NFL draft picks came off that team. a record. All Rhule recruits. Rhule left a very young, well stocked team who almost beat OU in the big 12 championship. In the next 4 drafts, only 1 was drafted. The nose tackle originally recruited to the LSU national championship brand and then transferred as a freshman.

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The year of the Sugar Bowl win was led by players already in the program before Dave hit town, and groomed by prior staff. Credit him for not screwing the pooch after taking the reins. But all the positive in that year fades for me when I look at the '23 debacle, followed by a poor start in '24 salvaged by a remarkable turnaround for some W's. That was still not great football in terms of technic/execution, but it bode well for '25 in terms of more experience and maturity. I doubt this team right now would beat last year's team at the same stage. We haven't "gotten better" despite the experience and practice. The LSU game was winnable absent mistakes; right now, I doubt we could stay on the field with that team. And I don't take any solace in the status of the current LSU group. Compared with ourselves, we digressed. I don't see that as a talent deficit or lack of player buy-in. Not much else remains IMO.

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6 NFL draft picks came off that team. a record. All Rhule recruits. Rhule left a very young, well stocked team who almost beat OU in the big 12 championship. In the next 4 drafts, only 1 was drafted. The nose tackle originally recruited to the LSU national championship brand and then transferred as a freshman.

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Also, what happened in the 20222 season? NIL was installed July 2021. Transfer Portal opened January 2023. Baylor decided to play "old time football" and NOT take part in NIL, thank you Linda and Mack.

I get Aranda is gone, he has lost the fan base. But, to compare Briles and Rhule's recruiting to Aranda's is disingenuous. Mack screwed him with No NIL when everyone else was buying in big time. Maybe THAT has a little something to do with why there is no to little NFL talent. NIL and Transfer portal has allowed anyone that does develop to leave for bigger pastures. (that is a big problem for a lot of programs, not just us. Talk to some coaches that are known for player development. There is no market for them in P4). You guys keep comparing Aranda to Coaches that recruited in an environment that does not exist anymore. In the several years that were similar, Aranda won the B12. That is a fact. Rhule did not.

But, that is not what you guys want to hear. The problem is the BU leadership and was Rhodes, he set the football recruiting back 5 years with his stupid we are going to play by our own rules and think actual NFL quality kids would come here. Either the attitude changes or we will be having this conversation very 5 years. Aranda is done, no way he gets the fan base back.

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The year of the Sugar Bowl win was led by players already in the program before Dave hit town, and groomed by prior staff. Credit him for not screwing the pooch after taking the reins. But all the positive in that year fades for me when I look at the '23 debacle, followed by a poor start in '24 salvaged by a remarkable turnaround for some W's. That was still not great football in terms of technic/execution, but it bode well for '25 in terms of more experience and maturity. I doubt this team right now would beat last year's team at the same stage. We haven't "gotten better" despite the experience and practice. The LSU game was winnable absent mistakes; right now, I doubt we could stay on the field with that team. And I don't take any solace in the status of the current LSU group. Compared with ourselves, we digressed. I don't see that as a talent deficit or lack of player buy-in. Not much else remains IMO.

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6 NFL draft picks came off that team. a record. All Rhule recruits. Rhule left a very young, well stocked team who almost beat OU in the big 12 championship. In the next 4 drafts, only 1 was drafted. The nose tackle originally recruited to the LSU national championship brand and then transferred as a freshman.

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In the several years that were similar, Aranda won the B12. That is a fact. Rhule did not.

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Who do you think is the better coach? Aranda or Rhule?

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FLBear5630 said:

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The year of the Sugar Bowl win was led by players already in the program before Dave hit town, and groomed by prior staff. Credit him for not screwing the pooch after taking the reins. But all the positive in that year fades for me when I look at the '23 debacle, followed by a poor start in '24 salvaged by a remarkable turnaround for some W's. That was still not great football in terms of technic/execution, but it bode well for '25 in terms of more experience and maturity. I doubt this team right now would beat last year's team at the same stage. We haven't "gotten better" despite the experience and practice. The LSU game was winnable absent mistakes; right now, I doubt we could stay on the field with that team. And I don't take any solace in the status of the current LSU group. Compared with ourselves, we digressed. I don't see that as a talent deficit or lack of player buy-in. Not much else remains IMO.

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6 NFL draft picks came off that team. a record. All Rhule recruits. Rhule left a very young, well stocked team who almost beat OU in the big 12 championship. In the next 4 drafts, only 1 was drafted. The nose tackle originally recruited to the LSU national championship brand and then transferred as a freshman.

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In the several years that were similar, Aranda won the B12. That is a fact. Rhule did not.

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Who do you think is the better coach? Aranda or Rhule?

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Rhule. I am not sure that Aranda can run a program. DC, maybe. But he has not shown he can manage the whole thing.

At the HC level, it is more about managing the Administration, Coordinators and Booster/Donors than the X's and O's. Rhule has shown he can do that, Aranda not.

I also think the guy has bad luck, the changes from 21 to 23 were monumental, it really robbed him of any chance to build off of 21.

Mack and Linda were going to rob whomever was the HC in 22 and 23 by not realizing we had to adapt to the new world when it began in spring of 22 rather than in Dec of 23. The die was cast for whomever was the HC at that particular time with them putting the program behind the 8 ball.

I just can't get past Rhule's 0-19 vs top 25 school's while at BU and NU. For his career he is 2-22.

... and the little people are (barely) up in (little) arms.

- uncle fred

D!

Go Bears!!

Beat The Coogs!!!

It's like we got reverse-Crackerbarreled, but they don't care about the blowback.

Get real the President is a woman and by nature in their dna, they are sympathetic, and cant make the hard decisions that need to be made. Just like a woman President, can you see them making a decision to push the Red button......there I said it.

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I just can't get past Rhule's 0-19 vs top 25 school's while at BU and NU. For his career he is 2-22.

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You're not supposed to look at the record (facts). You're supposed to listen to all the raving praises offered up about him. In other words, "Trust the Process".

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Get real the President is a woman and by nature in their dna, they are sympathetic, and cant make the hard decisions that need to be made. Just like a woman President, can you see them making a decision to push the Red button......there I said it.

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And yet you want her and people in Pat Neff, with their lack of contacts in the coaching community and sports agency community, to hand pick the next HC. You like the way we picked head coaches in 96 and 98 apparently.

Is it still not too late to exit Dave this year? Someone, give me some hope.

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Is it still not too late to exit Dave this year? Someone, give me some hope.

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I've wondered this also despite Linda's comments.

It would not be the first time in sports we've seen a coach get the vote of confidence from admin only to be let go later.

I think the biggest problem in holding out hope for that though is just the timing of this. We are about to start seeing a lot of the current openings getting filled after this weekend.

I am not sure who of quality will be left to pick from once we finally get an AD in place. As much as I am ready to move on with someone else… I don't really want to pick from leftover scraps just for the sake of change.

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Is it still not too late to exit Dave this year? Someone, give me some hope.

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He could decide to retire and go to Tibet to mediate. You never know.

Dia del DougO said:

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Big guy said:

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Is it still not too late to exit Dave this year? Someone, give me some hope.

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He could decide to retire and go to Tibet to mediate. You never know.

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grassahoppa.............

rice-uh pape-uh..............

- uncle fred

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{ BHJ bangs BH-sized gong }

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Mack and Linda were going to rob whomever was the HC in 22 and 23 by not realizing we had to adapt to the new world when it began in spring of 22 rather than in Dec of 23. The die was cast for whomever was the HC at that particular time with them putting the program behind the 8 ball.

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Linda would have nothing to do with this. That was Mack's job and if Aranda was in touch with anyone in athletics besides some some zin he would also have input.

However, most likely Linda, Mack and Dave knew big donors left after idiots fired Briles. I think they have found a new source for NIL but nowhere near we would have had if Briles were still here.

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I just can't get past Rhule's 0-19 vs top 25 school's while at BU and NU. For his career he is 2-22.

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Get over it. You're using history at every coaching job he had. He gave you gigantic improvement steps year after year to Champion game. Just stop looking for negativity. Why deny what he gave us?

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Get real the President is a woman and by nature in their dna, they are sympathetic, and cant make the hard decisions that need to be made. Just like a woman President, can you see them making a decision to push the Red button......there I said it.

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Kim does not fit your mold. Some say they want to win. Words do to win. Actions do.

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30aBear said:

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I just can't get past Rhule's 0-19 vs top 25 school's while at BU and NU. For his career he is 2-22.

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Get over it. You're using history at every coaching job he had. He gave you gigantic improvement steps year after year to Champion game. Just stop looking for negativity. Why deny what he gave us?

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I agree, it is just something you cannot ignore. That stat is wild. Shows he can take a crap team and make them good, but can he make them great? We haven't seen it yet. I think he will get there.

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HuttoBear said:

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Get real the President is a woman and by nature in their dna, they are sympathetic, and cant make the hard decisions that need to be made. Just like a woman President, can you see them making a decision to push the Red button......there I said it.

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And yet you want her and people in Pat Neff, with their lack of contacts in the coaching community and sports agency community, to hand pick the next HC. You like the way we picked head coaches in 96 and 98 apparently.

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And women are less likely to make a hurried and ill-advised decision to prove how macho they are which is characteristic of too many males. You don't have to be either male or female to make a correct or bad decision.

We were boxed into a corner by Mack. Having some yahoo in Pat Neff that has no athletic clue go hire a coach is not only foolish, but downright irresponsible and a certainly a high potential to make this situation worse.

Obviously we should spend more money on basketball. Come on people wake up.

This mess isn't about the Prez being a woman. Solely a question of capability. Maybe courage. Certainly wisdom. Gotta factor in the fact she's having to dig in the catbox that her AD messed in.

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This mess isn't about the Prez being a woman. Solely a question of capability. Maybe courage. Certainly wisdom. Gotta factor in the fact she's having to dig in the catbox that her AD messed in.

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This mess is about the disaster that happened in 2015, period. They will not go with anyone that has ANY risk of bending the rules or pushing the envelope to win. Dave is safe. He is not going to get Baylor in trouble with the law, media or NCAA. THAT IS WHAT THEY WANT. Winning is nice if it happens.

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And women are less likely to make a hurried and ill-advised decision to prove how macho they are which is characteristic of too many males.

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That's because they usually can't decide between painting the walls ecru, beige, or eggshell.

I believe the president sincerely wants Baylor to be at a much higher level in football that it has shown in the past few years. She was tasked with a really difficult situation and addressed it the way she thought best.

I think she and the Baylor powers behind the scenes also really want to believe in Aranda and will give him every chance to succeed and prove the doubters wrong.

The only issue I have with the leadership is how long it took for some fairly serious incidences to become public. They could have been more transparent, for sure. But they were also dealing with private lives with some of it. But the stuff between the AD and players and coaches probably should have been reported in a more timely fashion. It ended up complicating things a lot more than they could have been.

But I am fairly confident that as far as football goes, it is a very big deal for Baylor, and I don't think they resist a change behind a new AD if it is still apparent that football isn't meeting our standard a year from now.

So all we can do is wait and see.

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I believe the president sincerely wants Baylor to be at a much higher level in football that it has shown in the past few years. She was tasked with a really difficult situation and addressed it the way she thought best.

I think she and the Baylor powers behind the scenes also really want to believe in Aranda and will give him every chance to succeed and prove the doubters wrong.

The only issue I have with the leadership is how long it took for some fairly serious incidences to become public. They could have been more transparent, for sure. But they were also dealing with private lives with some of it. But the stuff between the AD and players and coaches probably should have been reported in a more timely fashion. It ended up complicating things a lot more than they could have been.

But I am fairly confident that as far as football goes, it is a very big deal for Baylor, and I don't think they resist a change behind a new AD if it is still apparent that football isn't meeting our standard a year from now.

So all we can do is wait and see.

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There are so many issues over seventy plus years to refute your point of football being a big deal to Baylor. It's just a fact.