BBWCBear said:

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I believe the president sincerely wants Baylor to be at a much higher level in football that it has shown in the past few years. She was tasked with a really difficult situation and addressed it the way she thought best.

I think she and the Baylor powers behind the scenes also really want to believe in Aranda and will give him every chance to succeed and prove the doubters wrong.

The only issue I have with the leadership is how long it took for some fairly serious incidences to become public. They could have been more transparent, for sure. But they were also dealing with private lives with some of it. But the stuff between the AD and players and coaches probably should have been reported in a more timely fashion. It ended up complicating things a lot more than they could have been.

But I am fairly confident that as far as football goes, it is a very big deal for Baylor, and I don't think they resist a change behind a new AD if it is still apparent that football isn't meeting our standard a year from now.

So all we can do is wait and see.

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There are so many issues over seventy plus years to refute your point of football being a big deal to Baylor. It's just a fact.

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I'm sure there are a few big wigs that wouldn't mind if football would just go away. But I imagine the overwhelming majority understand that the exposure they get from their major sports programs is one of, if not THE, biggest sources of exposure to their university and its educational programs.

Rhule may be available at the end of next year

30aBear said:

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Rhule may be available at the end of next year

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Cue the excuses…..

30aBear said:

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I just can't get past Rhule's 0-19 vs top 25 school's while at BU and NU. For his career he is 2-22.

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My guy, pretty much ANY coach of schools like Temple and Baylor, and a completely wrecked Nebraska program would be nearly winless against top 25 teams. Next time, try adding some context.

FWIW...Tx St won today and UTSA lost. They both finish at 6-6.

boognish_bear said:

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FWIW...Tx St won today and UTSA lost. They both finish at 6-6.

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And this is where the geniuses on this board want us to look for a coach.

Both are better than Dave. But hey we should keep Dave right? That's working out well for BU

IowaBear said:

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Both are better than Dave. But hey we should keep Dave right? That's working out well for BU

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Can you discuss anything without bringing in elements that are not part of the comment to which you are replying? The point is the usual bad ideas that originate on this board, not whether Dave should be kept or not.

He probably should not be kept, but the timing is tying our hands, unless you want Pat Neff to do the hiring of a coach without an AD, who is the person who will ultimately have responsibility for ALL of our athletic programs. If we don't get that right, all our programs will suffer. That is the job you should worry most about.

What "bad" ideas. This is frigging message board. There's no right or wrong answer. It's literally a bunch of people discussing their opinions. None of which are likely to happen.

IowaBear said:

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What "bad" ideas. This is frigging message board. There's no right or wrong answer. It's literally a bunch of people discussing their opinions. None of which are likely to happen.

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I don't think you believe that. You point out where people are wrong all the time.

Pot meet kettle bud

CaliBear00 said:

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30aBear said:

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I just can't get past Rhule's 0-19 vs top 25 school's while at BU and NU. For his career he is 2-22.

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My guy, pretty much ANY coach of schools like Temple and Baylor, and a completely wrecked Nebraska program would be nearly winless against top 25 teams. Next time, try adding some context.

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Briles and Aranda have better records

I have heard this song and dance stuff for 50plus years. Baylor fans even gripe when Baylor wins conference but not national title. I am looking forward to next year and see what happens. Will be interesting to see how much all this negative talk hurts the recruitment and even NIL. But whatever happens win the wins and losses, I know it will be another year of opinions by mostly folks like me, who actually do not know what they are talking about.

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Kinda sucks that the biggest reason this is happening is Mack was banging some teacher and got caught

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Who was the teacher???

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It doesn't really matter. The fact it happened is now a great regret by both of them.

Good thing we never have to worry about this happening

Texas State’s president Kelly Damphousse jumped in the San Marcos River with GJ Kinne (head coach) to celebrate becoming bowl eligible! https://t.co/DuzD86nkM3

— RedditCFB (@RedditCFB) November 30, 2025

FLBear5630 said:

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30aBear said:

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Here is the difference between hiring a professional that expects to win and knows what it look like and a Coordinator. This is James Franklin at Virgina Tech:

"Does it look, feel, smell and operate like a big-time program?" Franklin said, per ESPN's David Hale. "All those things need to be in place. ... I think the previous coaches here were in some challenging situations. That's the truth of it.
"There's some things that we're going to have to look at, and it's not just James Franklin. It's the marketing office, the ticketing office. Everybody's got to take some time and look in the mirror and say, 'Are we operating like a big-time program?'"


Baylor, even under Briles, NEVER met this standard. Some pieces were in place, but overall it ALWAYS feels, and felt under Briles, like we were piecing it together with duct tape. We were taking other programs cast offs, we were not able to recruit both sides of the ball, and even once we got top notch facilities that games STILL felt amateurish compared to B10 and Bluebloods.

Next AD HAS to fix this or it doesn't matter who they hire.

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Briles wasn't out there scooping up trash players. He found kids who fit his system. Most were 2 to 3 star guys, then he'd mix in a couple high 3 stars and a few 4 stars and make it all work.

Yeah, he took chances on some kids with off the field issues. A lot of these guys aren't coming from River Oaks, Highland Park, or any of those places. Some of the best players in the country grow up in tough situations, broken families, whatever, and football is their way out. They needed structure, a father figure, and Briles was that for them. He turned a ton of those kids around and set them on the right path.

The big programs wanted those same players too, but they'd use them up and spit them out. Briles actually invested in them. That's why his players loved him then and still do now. Some of the classiest guys to ever wear the green and gold swear by him because he changed their lives.

But now our BOR has essentially created a checklist that every recruit has to fit before we can even make an offer. Somebody stole a sandwich once? Nope, off the board. Meanwhile, those same kids can head to A&M, UT, LSU, Tech, wherever, and those schools won't think twice.

Just another hurdle the next AD and coach are going to have to deal with.

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I get it. Yeah, some are classy, good guys. Others are still serving time and almost got BU the death penalty. You can't seperate one from the other.

The purpose of the post was not to get into Briles, he was brough in to show that EVEN the almighty Briles suffered from the Administration NOT being where it needs to be. AND top coaches, like Franklin, are calling them on it. Briles would have BEEN MORE successful with the organization Franklin is talking about and wouldn't HAVE TO TAKE RISKS on players he did to win.

But, naturally the Briles Mafia has to go ballistic on any conversation he was involved in. Hell, according to Iowa because he beat OSU once with a 3rd string QB we were Ohio State...

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One is serving tine, only one out of about 320 players over 8 years. Wish it was none, but every blue blood does, too.

With the mass deflections about to take place with our incoming recruits and all the players we lose to portal and graduation - we will even be able to field a D1 level team next year ? One good enough to beat Prairie View ? We could go winless. Ouch.

Saw an ad or post or opinion piece writing that Baylor Fans fed up with Aranda! They left out an important word...Some! Not all..I am a fan and I know others who carry that banner and they are not fed up. Some of us understand getting in late with enough money to get the number of players needed. Ask Oklahoma State... Pickens would have given enough and their good coach would still be there. Livingston knows the bigger picture and refused to blame it all on Aranda!If we still cannot buy enough, then about 50-50 will be about it. Even if we could bring Brile4s back, without the money...50-50.

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Saw an ad or post or opinion piece writing that Baylor Fans fed up with Aranda! They left out an important word...Some! Not all..I am a fan and I know others who carry that banner and they are not fed up. Some of us understand getting in late with enough money to get the number of players needed. Ask Oklahoma State... Pickens would have given enough and their good coach would still be there. Livingston knows the bigger picture and refused to blame it all on Aranda!If we still cannot buy enough, then about 50-50 will be about it. Even if we could bring Brile4s back, without the money...50-50.

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Aranda literally said this the most talented team he ever fielded!!!

Pastorron said:

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Saw an ad or post or opinion piece writing that Baylor Fans fed up with Aranda! They left out an important word...Some! Not all..I am a fan and I know others who carry that banner and they are not fed up. Some of us understand getting in late with enough money to get the number of players needed. Ask Oklahoma State... Pickens would have given enough and their good coach would still be there. Livingston knows the bigger picture and refused to blame it all on Aranda!If we still cannot buy enough, then about 50-50 will be about it. Even if we could bring Brile4s back, without the money...50-50.

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you are trolling us. You can't be that dumb.

You give me 7 days on campus and access to the "books" and I can find $10m in waste in the budget.

Pastorron said:

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Saw an ad or post or opinion piece writing that Baylor Fans fed up with Aranda! They left out an important word...Some! Not all..I am a fan and I know others who carry that banner and they are not fed up.

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OK. Almost all Baylor fans are fed up.

CaliBear00 said:

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30aBear said:

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I just can't get past Rhule's 0-19 vs top 25 school's while at BU and NU. For his career he is 2-22.

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My guy, pretty much ANY coach of schools like Temple and Baylor, and a completely wrecked Nebraska program would be nearly winless against top 25 teams. Next time, try adding some context.

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Not true.

blackie said:

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boognish_bear said:

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FWIW...Tx St won today and UTSA lost. They both finish at 6-6.

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And this is where the geniuses on this board want us to look for a coach.

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Both were considered hot names last season and not just on this board but by many media outlets.

Both are still names thrown out as "good" coaches to watch at the G5 level for future openings. Probably not this year but in a year or two.

We will see how next year goes for them and if they become hot names again or drop back.

At least with Traylor he has a longer time of showing he can do well there and if he does well next year it can really show that this was just a down year.

Also, I don't follow either team much to know how much their teams were hurt by players chasing NIL money after doing well at a G5 and looking for a bigger paycheck.

And no the above is not my endorsement for either to be out next coach.

Everyone but you and maybe three other people are fed up with Aranda.

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CaliBear00 said:

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30aBear said:

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I just can't get past Rhule's 0-19 vs top 25 school's while at BU and NU. For his career he is 2-22.

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My guy, pretty much ANY coach of schools like Temple and Baylor, and a completely wrecked Nebraska program would be nearly winless against top 25 teams. Next time, try adding some context.

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Briles and Aranda have better records

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Hmm... your reading comprehension appears to be subpar. Let's try this again, if you start your coaching career rebuilding at schools like Temple and Baylor, you're going to take some losses.

Is it clear? Are you able to keep up homie? If it isn't clear, let me know. I'll simplify it even further so that even you can understand.

Guitarbiscuit said:

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BBWCBear said:

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Why does Baylor always make a bad situation become disastrous, extremely difficult, overwhelming, futile, and almost impossible to arrive at anything successful?

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Because the powers that be have little interest in football.

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They wanna make Sing the #1 event on campus.

Some interesting smoke after the UTSA-Army game.

Jeff Traylor & Jeff Monken share words that don’t appear to be too kind after Army upsets UTSA in the Alamodome.

Video (@BKKnightNation)
pic.twitter.com/4W7DQ2rODz

— Garrett Armbrust (@4thandsaturday) November 30, 2025

IowaBear said:

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Both are better than Dave. But hey we should keep Dave right? That's working out well for BU

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i live in Tampa, USF lost Alex G to Arkansas after 1 year. Risk of one of those Coach's is if they do well, B10 or SEC calls they are gone. BU is not that much higher than USF, only thing separating two is B12 vs AAC.

Finding good Coach that will stay is going to be an issue. Local guys may be better option for a BU.

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BU is not that much higher than USF

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...and that pretty much sums it up. Hard to read after where we were a decade ago.

They said the were going to turn it into "not an institution of football" and they did.

blackie said:

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boognish_bear said:

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FWIW...Tx St won today and UTSA lost. They both finish at 6-6.

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And this is where the geniuses on this board want us to look for a coach.

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Perfect reponse

We just have to accept the fact the next coach may leave after a great year. I'm fine with that. I'd rather have a great year than hire a mediocre coach who won't leave and proceeds to go 7-5 every year.

CaliBear00 said:

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CaliBear00 said:

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30aBear said:

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I just can't get past Rhule's 0-19 vs top 25 school's while at BU and NU. For his career he is 2-22.

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My guy, pretty much ANY coach of schools like Temple and Baylor, and a completely wrecked Nebraska program would be nearly winless against top 25 teams. Next time, try adding some context.

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Briles and Aranda have better records

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Hmm... your reading comprehension appears to be subpar. Let's try this again, if you start your coaching career rebuilding at schools like Temple and Baylor, you're going to take some losses.

Is it clear? Are you able to keep up homie? If it isn't clear, let me know. I'll simplify it even further so that even you can understand.

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no, there is no reason that Rhule's record is that poor.

30aBear said:

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CaliBear00 said:

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30aBear said:

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CaliBear00 said:

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30aBear said:

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I just can't get past Rhule's 0-19 vs top 25 school's while at BU and NU. For his career he is 2-22.

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My guy, pretty much ANY coach of schools like Temple and Baylor, and a completely wrecked Nebraska program would be nearly winless against top 25 teams. Next time, try adding some context.

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Briles and Aranda have better records

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Hmm... your reading comprehension appears to be subpar. Let's try this again, if you start your coaching career rebuilding at schools like Temple and Baylor, you're going to take some losses.

Is it clear? Are you able to keep up homie? If it isn't clear, let me know. I'll simplify it even further so that even you can understand.

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no, there is no reason that Rhule's record is that poor.

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Rhule is a good coach, but he left us. So F-em. Dead to me... He was here, got everything he asked for and bolted. Good for him, but F-em. Nothing good to say, rip the clothing...

Remember when Jeff Traylor was considered an up and coming coach destined for a big program someday? Me neither.