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First he said nothing about Matt Rhule. Matt Rhule is your obsession, you have to do your war room shtick and attack here for him even when no one says anything about him.

Secondly he didn't say McGuire sucks.

Thirdly can you address what he actually said? Do you really disagree with the substance of what he actually said?

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He's chimed in on virtually every Matt Rhule thread on this board.

And yes, I do disagree with what he said. Before this season even started, Joey McGuire was already Tech's best coach in more than a decade -- as Rhule has been for Nebraska. The insistence of some to downplay objective success in programs that are hard to win at is stupid. Particularly when it's been coupled with defenses of an obvious incompetent like Aranda.

The irony here is just three or four weeks ago you were touting Aranda's "almost .600 win percentage" over the past two seasons. And even at the time, that win percentage was lower than Joey McGuire's pre-money infusion percentage at Tech.

Your wasting time arguing with the "Nil is all that matters" crew.
Coaching absolutely matters. And any football fan with an ounce of knowledge knows this. I've said it repeatedly Dave Aranda is 8-4 as Techs coach this season. No amount of NIL is going to fix the disaster that is Dave Aranda. Best to let Party keep rambling. After all he's without a doubt Dave's biggest cheerleader

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Your wasting time arguing with the "Nil is all that matters" crew.
Coaching absolutely matters. And any football fan with an ounce of knowledge knows this. I've said it repeatedly Dave Aranda is 8-4 as Techs coach this season. No amount of NIL is going to fix the disaster that is Dave Aranda. Best to let Party keep rambling. After all he's without a doubt Dave's biggest cheerleader

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Sleepy Dave would put a damper on the tortilla throwing by putting the entire stadium to into a coma.

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boognish_bear said:

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BREAKING: Texas Tech and head coach Joey McGuire have agreed to a new 7-year deal, @RossDellenger reports🌵https://t.co/xOG2doDpwl pic.twitter.com/ZYD0RlVpbq

— On3 (@On3sports) December 2, 2025

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Hope he negotiated a certain NIL level or it will be Aranda in the Panhandle.

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Yep, exactly what I am thinking. If Campbell pulls out, they are back to last year. I won't argue who is the better coach, but until the money came in this year, they were just Tech as usual, a team that we creamed just last year.

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they won 8 games and he has almost a 60% winning record not counting 2025. He would be the 2nd winningest coach ever at Baylor.

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You guys put way too much on Coaching. Maguire is the same Coach he always has been, 500-600 winning percentage at Tech. Add enough NIL to buy players, Playoff team. But if you think that Maguire is the secret sauce there are 100 coaches in college that could get similar results. Coaches don't get dumb and forget how to coach just like they don't suddenly get brilliant and become playoff coaches, they rise and sink with the players and that is beyond their control in most instances.

Baylor has had enough shoot ourselves in the foot moments to tank any program in the last decade. It is one misstep after another from the sexual assault, parade of Coaches, rejection of NIL, to we pay players, to Mack having to resign. And you guys wonder why it is mediocre? It is all Aranda???? No, it is a f-ed up program and not enough NIL to overcome it.

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This dude, who was apologizing for Aranda less than two months ago, thinks Matt Rhule and Joey McGuire suck.

Methinks perhaps he isn't the judge of coaching talent he thinks he is.

It's funny how that works, though. The vast majority of those who consistently downplay what Rhule and Joey have accomplished were all in on Dave Aranda until he became literally impossible to defend this past season.

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When did I use the word "sucks"? In who's world does a .500-.600 winning percentage suck? Only Baylor fans...

Texas Tech bought an SEC defense, THAT is the difference between a 550 winning percentage and going to the playoffs. Maguire was there when they were 5th in the Conference and when they are 1st. The players make the difference, not the coach. Look at Indiana, you really think Cignetti is #2 in the Nation without the significant NIL commitment?

I think you really don't have a grasp on what you write, you may want to try reading what you reference or have someone explain it to you.

Looking forward to having a new AD who isn't soft and his firing of Aranda before the season begins with a new coach in hand.

That's about as positive as I can get unless we find someone with $10 million NIL dedicated to football.

Can we claim since Tech bought a team for $10 million the women got screwed and they were due 50% of that NIL package. Asking for Title IX invesitgator lol

I know they paid $1 million for a softball pitcher. Maybe that makes it equal?

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boognish_bear said:

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BREAKING: Texas Tech and head coach Joey McGuire have agreed to a new 7-year deal, @RossDellenger reports🌵https://t.co/xOG2doDpwl pic.twitter.com/ZYD0RlVpbq

— On3 (@On3sports) December 2, 2025

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Hope he negotiated a certain NIL level or it will be Aranda in the Panhandle.

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Yep, exactly what I am thinking. If Campbell pulls out, they are back to last year. I won't argue who is the better coach, but until the money came in this year, they were just Tech as usual, a team that we creamed just last year.

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they won 8 games and he has almost a 60% winning record not counting 2025. He would be the 2nd winningest coach ever at Baylor.

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You guys put way too much on Coaching. Maguire is the same Coach he always has been, 500-600 winning percentage at Tech. Add enough NIL to buy players, Playoff team. But if you think that Maguire is the secret sauce there are 100 coaches in college that could get similar results. Coaches don't get dumb and forget how to coach just like they don't suddenly get brilliant and become playoff coaches, they rise and sink with the players and that is beyond their control in most instances.

Baylor has had enough shoot ourselves in the foot moments to tank any program in the last decade. It is one misstep after another from the sexual assault, parade of Coaches, rejection of NIL, to we pay players, to Mack having to resign. And you guys wonder why it is mediocre? It is all Aranda???? No, it is a f-ed up program and not enough NIL to overcome it.

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This dude, who was apologizing for Aranda less than two months ago, thinks Matt Rhule and Joey McGuire suck.

Methinks perhaps he isn't the judge of coaching talent he thinks he is.

It's funny how that works, though. The vast majority of those who consistently downplay what Rhule and Joey have accomplished were all in on Dave Aranda until he became literally impossible to defend this past season.

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When did I use the word "sucks"? In who's world does a .500-.600 winning percentage suck? Only Baylor fans...

Texas Tech bought an SEC defense, THAT is the difference between a 550 winning percentage and going to the playoffs. Maguire was there when they were 5th in the Conference and when they are 1st. The players make the difference, not the coach. Look at Indiana, you really think Cignetti is #2 in the Nation without the significant NIL commitment?

I think you really don't have a grasp on what you write, you may want to try reading what you reference or have someone explain it to you.

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Ah yes, Cignetti has certainly benefitted from taking over that perennial power ... double checks notes ... Indiana. What ever would he have done without that platform to build from?

Obviously, talent is the biggest driver of success. But the "coaching doesn't matter" crowd looks dumber and dumber every year as good coaches continue to meet or exceed expectations regardless of their circumstances and bad ones continue to underachieve.

We have 1 DT, 1 edge, and 1 OL. Really going to be relying on the portal for line help and that's the absolute hardest thing to get.

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We have 1 DT, 1 edge, and 1 OL. Really going to be relying on the portal for line help and that's the absolute hardest thing to get.

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Dave has been great at finding guys in the portal.

No one good is coming here for anything less than a market breaking deal. No one average is coming for anything less than an above market rate. You might get someone bad, but even they will be more than you want to spend.

No one wants to sign on to a ship that is sunk and your coach is floating face down.

Edit: this assumes you even have donors willing to throw money at a lost cause team and program at this point.

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boognish_bear said:

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BREAKING: Texas Tech and head coach Joey McGuire have agreed to a new 7-year deal, @RossDellenger reports🌵https://t.co/xOG2doDpwl pic.twitter.com/ZYD0RlVpbq

— On3 (@On3sports) December 2, 2025

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Hope he negotiated a certain NIL level or it will be Aranda in the Panhandle.

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Yep, exactly what I am thinking. If Campbell pulls out, they are back to last year. I won't argue who is the better coach, but until the money came in this year, they were just Tech as usual, a team that we creamed just last year.

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they won 8 games and he has almost a 60% winning record not counting 2025. He would be the 2nd winningest coach ever at Baylor.

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You guys put way too much on Coaching. Maguire is the same Coach he always has been, 500-600 winning percentage at Tech. Add enough NIL to buy players, Playoff team. But if you think that Maguire is the secret sauce there are 100 coaches in college that could get similar results. Coaches don't get dumb and forget how to coach just like they don't suddenly get brilliant and become playoff coaches, they rise and sink with the players and that is beyond their control in most instances.

Baylor has had enough shoot ourselves in the foot moments to tank any program in the last decade. It is one misstep after another from the sexual assault, parade of Coaches, rejection of NIL, to we pay players, to Mack having to resign. And you guys wonder why it is mediocre? It is all Aranda???? No, it is a f-ed up program and not enough NIL to overcome it.

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This dude, who was apologizing for Aranda less than two months ago, thinks Matt Rhule and Joey McGuire suck.

Methinks perhaps he isn't the judge of coaching talent he thinks he is.

It's funny how that works, though. The vast majority of those who consistently downplay what Rhule and Joey have accomplished were all in on Dave Aranda until he became literally impossible to defend this past season.

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When did I use the word "sucks"? In who's world does a .500-.600 winning percentage suck? Only Baylor fans...

Texas Tech bought an SEC defense, THAT is the difference between a 550 winning percentage and going to the playoffs. Maguire was there when they were 5th in the Conference and when they are 1st. The players make the difference, not the coach. Look at Indiana, you really think Cignetti is #2 in the Nation without the significant NIL commitment?

I think you really don't have a grasp on what you write, you may want to try reading what you reference or have someone explain it to you.

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Ah yes, Cignetti has certainly benefitted from taking over that perennial power ... double checks notes ... Indiana. What ever would he have done without that platform to build from?

Obviously, talent is the biggest driver of success. But the "coaching doesn't matter" crowd looks dumber and dumber every year as good coaches continue to meet or exceed expectations regardless of their circumstances and bad ones continue to underachieve.

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If you do not have the institutional commitment to win, you won't. Tech has been committed for a while. Right now they have some things going in their favor besides the NIL. The Mahomes stuff has helped recruiting and he is willing to be active in it. Joey would be 550 winning percentage and mid level bowl coach. Not bad and in a lot of times in history, that would be a 20 year and ring of honor career. Nice job and life. NIL is the secret sauce WITH the institutional support.

My post was not to demean Joey, but to say that Baylor needs to get the house in order before we can expect to be more than a flash in the pan. Livingstone and Mack have created a mediocre environment with no excitement. Aranda is part of that. Even when he won it did not generate excitement. It was boring football in 2021. Joey has a persona, he has that over Dave. Joey is Texas through and through and a good fit for west texas.

Who will Baylor get that is a good fit???? Will it matter if they keep f-ing up the program. "We Pay Players" shirts? Really? We need better before we can expect to get someone that will win and stay.

FLBear5630 said:

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bear2be2 said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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bear2be2 said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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boognish_bear said:

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BREAKING: Texas Tech and head coach Joey McGuire have agreed to a new 7-year deal, @RossDellenger reports🌵https://t.co/xOG2doDpwl pic.twitter.com/ZYD0RlVpbq

— On3 (@On3sports) December 2, 2025

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Hope he negotiated a certain NIL level or it will be Aranda in the Panhandle.

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Yep, exactly what I am thinking. If Campbell pulls out, they are back to last year. I won't argue who is the better coach, but until the money came in this year, they were just Tech as usual, a team that we creamed just last year.

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they won 8 games and he has almost a 60% winning record not counting 2025. He would be the 2nd winningest coach ever at Baylor.

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You guys put way too much on Coaching. Maguire is the same Coach he always has been, 500-600 winning percentage at Tech. Add enough NIL to buy players, Playoff team. But if you think that Maguire is the secret sauce there are 100 coaches in college that could get similar results. Coaches don't get dumb and forget how to coach just like they don't suddenly get brilliant and become playoff coaches, they rise and sink with the players and that is beyond their control in most instances.

Baylor has had enough shoot ourselves in the foot moments to tank any program in the last decade. It is one misstep after another from the sexual assault, parade of Coaches, rejection of NIL, to we pay players, to Mack having to resign. And you guys wonder why it is mediocre? It is all Aranda???? No, it is a f-ed up program and not enough NIL to overcome it.

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This dude, who was apologizing for Aranda less than two months ago, thinks Matt Rhule and Joey McGuire suck.

Methinks perhaps he isn't the judge of coaching talent he thinks he is.

It's funny how that works, though. The vast majority of those who consistently downplay what Rhule and Joey have accomplished were all in on Dave Aranda until he became literally impossible to defend this past season.

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When did I use the word "sucks"? In who's world does a .500-.600 winning percentage suck? Only Baylor fans...

Texas Tech bought an SEC defense, THAT is the difference between a 550 winning percentage and going to the playoffs. Maguire was there when they were 5th in the Conference and when they are 1st. The players make the difference, not the coach. Look at Indiana, you really think Cignetti is #2 in the Nation without the significant NIL commitment?

I think you really don't have a grasp on what you write, you may want to try reading what you reference or have someone explain it to you.

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Ah yes, Cignetti has certainly benefitted from taking over that perennial power ... double checks notes ... Indiana. What ever would he have done without that platform to build from?

Obviously, talent is the biggest driver of success. But the "coaching doesn't matter" crowd looks dumber and dumber every year as good coaches continue to meet or exceed expectations regardless of their circumstances and bad ones continue to underachieve.

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If you do not have the institutional commitment to win, you won't. Tech has been committed for a while. Right now they have some things going in their favor besides the NIL. The Mahomes stuff has helped recruiting and he is willing to be active in it. Joey would be 550 winning percentage and mid level bowl coach. Not bad and in a lot of times in history, that would be a 20 year and ring of honor career. Nice job and life. NIL is the secret sauce WITH the institutional support.

My post was not to demean Joey, but to say that Baylor needs to get the house in order before we can expect to be more than a flash in the pan. Livingstone and Mack have created a mediocre environment with no excitement. Aranda is part of that. Even when he won it did not generate excitement. It was boring football in 2021. Joey has a persona, he has that over Dave. Joey is Texas through and through and a good fit for west texas.

Who will Baylor get that is a good fit???? Will it matter if they keep f-ing up the program. "We Pay Players" shirts? Really? We need better before we can expect to get someone that will win and stay.

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The more I think about it, Dan Mullen is the way to go next year.

I think he would be a really good fit for us ... and the Big 12 in general. He's proven he can win big at non-traditional powers with relatively limited resources and has already had his unsuccessful foray into "the big time."

You'd be getting a proven commodity who may be content to build at Baylor.

There are others I'd be happy with (like Lewis, Eck and even Keeler or Traylor) but when you talk about fit, Mullen shoots to the top of my list.

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bear2be2 said:

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boognish_bear said:

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BREAKING: Texas Tech and head coach Joey McGuire have agreed to a new 7-year deal, @RossDellenger reports🌵https://t.co/xOG2doDpwl pic.twitter.com/ZYD0RlVpbq

— On3 (@On3sports) December 2, 2025

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Hope he negotiated a certain NIL level or it will be Aranda in the Panhandle.

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Yep, exactly what I am thinking. If Campbell pulls out, they are back to last year. I won't argue who is the better coach, but until the money came in this year, they were just Tech as usual, a team that we creamed just last year.

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they won 8 games and he has almost a 60% winning record not counting 2025. He would be the 2nd winningest coach ever at Baylor.

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You guys put way too much on Coaching. Maguire is the same Coach he always has been, 500-600 winning percentage at Tech. Add enough NIL to buy players, Playoff team. But if you think that Maguire is the secret sauce there are 100 coaches in college that could get similar results. Coaches don't get dumb and forget how to coach just like they don't suddenly get brilliant and become playoff coaches, they rise and sink with the players and that is beyond their control in most instances.

Baylor has had enough shoot ourselves in the foot moments to tank any program in the last decade. It is one misstep after another from the sexual assault, parade of Coaches, rejection of NIL, to we pay players, to Mack having to resign. And you guys wonder why it is mediocre? It is all Aranda???? No, it is a f-ed up program and not enough NIL to overcome it.

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This dude, who was apologizing for Aranda less than two months ago, thinks Matt Rhule and Joey McGuire suck.

Methinks perhaps he isn't the judge of coaching talent he thinks he is.

It's funny how that works, though. The vast majority of those who consistently downplay what Rhule and Joey have accomplished were all in on Dave Aranda until he became literally impossible to defend this past season.

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When did I use the word "sucks"? In who's world does a .500-.600 winning percentage suck? Only Baylor fans...

Texas Tech bought an SEC defense, THAT is the difference between a 550 winning percentage and going to the playoffs. Maguire was there when they were 5th in the Conference and when they are 1st. The players make the difference, not the coach. Look at Indiana, you really think Cignetti is #2 in the Nation without the significant NIL commitment?

I think you really don't have a grasp on what you write, you may want to try reading what you reference or have someone explain it to you.

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Ah yes, Cignetti has certainly benefitted from taking over that perennial power ... double checks notes ... Indiana. What ever would he have done without that platform to build from?

Obviously, talent is the biggest driver of success. But the "coaching doesn't matter" crowd looks dumber and dumber every year as good coaches continue to meet or exceed expectations regardless of their circumstances and bad ones continue to underachieve.

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If you do not have the institutional commitment to win, you won't. Tech has been committed for a while. Right now they have some things going in their favor besides the NIL. The Mahomes stuff has helped recruiting and he is willing to be active in it. Joey would be 550 winning percentage and mid level bowl coach. Not bad and in a lot of times in history, that would be a 20 year and ring of honor career. Nice job and life. NIL is the secret sauce WITH the institutional support.

My post was not to demean Joey, but to say that Baylor needs to get the house in order before we can expect to be more than a flash in the pan. Livingstone and Mack have created a mediocre environment with no excitement. Aranda is part of that. Even when he won it did not generate excitement. It was boring football in 2021. Joey has a persona, he has that over Dave. Joey is Texas through and through and a good fit for west texas.

Who will Baylor get that is a good fit???? Will it matter if they keep f-ing up the program. "We Pay Players" shirts? Really? We need better before we can expect to get someone that will win and stay.

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The more I think about it, Dan Mullen is the way to go next year.

I think he would be a really good fit for us ... and the Big 12 in general. He's proven he can win big at non-traditional powers with relatively limited resources and has already had his unsuccessful foray into "the big time."

You'd be getting a proven commodity who may be content to build at Baylor.

There are others I'd be happy with (like Lewis, Eck and even Keeler or Traylor) but when you talk about fit, Mullen shoots to the top of my list.

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Been thinking the same thing. I think Mullen would be a great hire for us.

The impending new head coach may possibly be Mullen it over already.

I thought I just saw that he is on the list for UK. However I could have sworn I saw yesterday they hired Will Stein? Did they not?

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boognish_bear said:

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BREAKING: Texas Tech and head coach Joey McGuire have agreed to a new 7-year deal, @RossDellenger reports🌵https://t.co/xOG2doDpwl pic.twitter.com/ZYD0RlVpbq

— On3 (@On3sports) December 2, 2025

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Hope he negotiated a certain NIL level or it will be Aranda in the Panhandle.

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Yep, exactly what I am thinking. If Campbell pulls out, they are back to last year. I won't argue who is the better coach, but until the money came in this year, they were just Tech as usual, a team that we creamed just last year.

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they won 8 games and he has almost a 60% winning record not counting 2025. He would be the 2nd winningest coach ever at Baylor.

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You guys put way too much on Coaching. Maguire is the same Coach he always has been, 500-600 winning percentage at Tech. Add enough NIL to buy players, Playoff team. But if you think that Maguire is the secret sauce there are 100 coaches in college that could get similar results. Coaches don't get dumb and forget how to coach just like they don't suddenly get brilliant and become playoff coaches, they rise and sink with the players and that is beyond their control in most instances.

Baylor has had enough shoot ourselves in the foot moments to tank any program in the last decade. It is one misstep after another from the sexual assault, parade of Coaches, rejection of NIL, to we pay players, to Mack having to resign. And you guys wonder why it is mediocre? It is all Aranda???? No, it is a f-ed up program and not enough NIL to overcome it.

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This dude, who was apologizing for Aranda less than two months ago, thinks Matt Rhule and Joey McGuire suck.

Methinks perhaps he isn't the judge of coaching talent he thinks he is.

It's funny how that works, though. The vast majority of those who consistently downplay what Rhule and Joey have accomplished were all in on Dave Aranda until he became literally impossible to defend this past season.

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When did I use the word "sucks"? In who's world does a .500-.600 winning percentage suck? Only Baylor fans...

Texas Tech bought an SEC defense, THAT is the difference between a 550 winning percentage and going to the playoffs. Maguire was there when they were 5th in the Conference and when they are 1st. The players make the difference, not the coach. Look at Indiana, you really think Cignetti is #2 in the Nation without the significant NIL commitment?

I think you really don't have a grasp on what you write, you may want to try reading what you reference or have someone explain it to you.

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Man, these Aranda supporters, so many dead excuses, . Mac had personal issues but was man enough to step aside and not cost us millions of dollars when he knew he could no longer do the job. He could've fought us.

Your Mouse wimp of a coach is an abject failure at everything and can't even stand up for the hard work of his players to complain about 2 terrible calls that kept them out of the bowl game that they so well deserved. He knows he's a failure, always blames it on everyone else but won't quit because the bottom line all he cares about is the money.

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I thought I just saw that he is on the list for UK. However I could have sworn I saw yesterday they hired Will Stein? Did they not?

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They did hire Stein, and he took the OC a bunch of UTSA fans wanted fired.

Meanwhile, AD search… Crickets chirping.

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bear2be2 said:

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bear2be2 said:

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BREAKING: Texas Tech and head coach Joey McGuire have agreed to a new 7-year deal, @RossDellenger reports🌵https://t.co/xOG2doDpwl pic.twitter.com/ZYD0RlVpbq

— On3 (@On3sports) December 2, 2025

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Hope he negotiated a certain NIL level or it will be Aranda in the Panhandle.

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Yep, exactly what I am thinking. If Campbell pulls out, they are back to last year. I won't argue who is the better coach, but until the money came in this year, they were just Tech as usual, a team that we creamed just last year.

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they won 8 games and he has almost a 60% winning record not counting 2025. He would be the 2nd winningest coach ever at Baylor.

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You guys put way too much on Coaching. Maguire is the same Coach he always has been, 500-600 winning percentage at Tech. Add enough NIL to buy players, Playoff team. But if you think that Maguire is the secret sauce there are 100 coaches in college that could get similar results. Coaches don't get dumb and forget how to coach just like they don't suddenly get brilliant and become playoff coaches, they rise and sink with the players and that is beyond their control in most instances.

Baylor has had enough shoot ourselves in the foot moments to tank any program in the last decade. It is one misstep after another from the sexual assault, parade of Coaches, rejection of NIL, to we pay players, to Mack having to resign. And you guys wonder why it is mediocre? It is all Aranda???? No, it is a f-ed up program and not enough NIL to overcome it.

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This dude, who was apologizing for Aranda less than two months ago, thinks Matt Rhule and Joey McGuire suck.

Methinks perhaps he isn't the judge of coaching talent he thinks he is.

It's funny how that works, though. The vast majority of those who consistently downplay what Rhule and Joey have accomplished were all in on Dave Aranda until he became literally impossible to defend this past season.

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When did I use the word "sucks"? In who's world does a .500-.600 winning percentage suck? Only Baylor fans...

Texas Tech bought an SEC defense, THAT is the difference between a 550 winning percentage and going to the playoffs. Maguire was there when they were 5th in the Conference and when they are 1st. The players make the difference, not the coach. Look at Indiana, you really think Cignetti is #2 in the Nation without the significant NIL commitment?

I think you really don't have a grasp on what you write, you may want to try reading what you reference or have someone explain it to you.

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Ah yes, Cignetti has certainly benefitted from taking over that perennial power ... double checks notes ... Indiana. What ever would he have done without that platform to build from?

Obviously, talent is the biggest driver of success. But the "coaching doesn't matter" crowd looks dumber and dumber every year as good coaches continue to meet or exceed expectations regardless of their circumstances and bad ones continue to underachieve.

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If you do not have the institutional commitment to win, you won't. Tech has been committed for a while. Right now they have some things going in their favor besides the NIL. The Mahomes stuff has helped recruiting and he is willing to be active in it. Joey would be 550 winning percentage and mid level bowl coach. Not bad and in a lot of times in history, that would be a 20 year and ring of honor career. Nice job and life. NIL is the secret sauce WITH the institutional support.

My post was not to demean Joey, but to say that Baylor needs to get the house in order before we can expect to be more than a flash in the pan. Livingstone and Mack have created a mediocre environment with no excitement. Aranda is part of that. Even when he won it did not generate excitement. It was boring football in 2021. Joey has a persona, he has that over Dave. Joey is Texas through and through and a good fit for west texas.

Who will Baylor get that is a good fit???? Will it matter if they keep f-ing up the program. "We Pay Players" shirts? Really? We need better before we can expect to get someone that will win and stay.

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The more I think about it, Dan Mullen is the way to go next year.

I think he would be a really good fit for us ... and the Big 12 in general. He's proven he can win big at non-traditional powers with relatively limited resources and has already had his unsuccessful foray into "the big time."

You'd be getting a proven commodity who may be content to build at Baylor.

There are others I'd be happy with (like Lewis, Eck and even Keeler or Traylor) but when you talk about fit, Mullen shoots to the top of my list.

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we agree 100%. He would be a grandslam. I loved his Miss St teams and he has been able to even win at UNLV.

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BREAKING: Texas Tech and head coach Joey McGuire have agreed to a new 7-year deal, @RossDellenger reports🌵https://t.co/xOG2doDpwl pic.twitter.com/ZYD0RlVpbq

— On3 (@On3sports) December 2, 2025

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Hope he negotiated a certain NIL level or it will be Aranda in the Panhandle.

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Yep, exactly what I am thinking. If Campbell pulls out, they are back to last year. I won't argue who is the better coach, but until the money came in this year, they were just Tech as usual, a team that we creamed just last year.

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they won 8 games and he has almost a 60% winning record not counting 2025. He would be the 2nd winningest coach ever at Baylor.

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You guys put way too much on Coaching. Maguire is the same Coach he always has been, 500-600 winning percentage at Tech. Add enough NIL to buy players, Playoff team. But if you think that Maguire is the secret sauce there are 100 coaches in college that could get similar results. Coaches don't get dumb and forget how to coach just like they don't suddenly get brilliant and become playoff coaches, they rise and sink with the players and that is beyond their control in most instances.

Baylor has had enough shoot ourselves in the foot moments to tank any program in the last decade. It is one misstep after another from the sexual assault, parade of Coaches, rejection of NIL, to we pay players, to Mack having to resign. And you guys wonder why it is mediocre? It is all Aranda???? No, it is a f-ed up program and not enough NIL to overcome it.

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This dude, who was apologizing for Aranda less than two months ago, thinks Matt Rhule and Joey McGuire suck.

Methinks perhaps he isn't the judge of coaching talent he thinks he is.

It's funny how that works, though. The vast majority of those who consistently downplay what Rhule and Joey have accomplished were all in on Dave Aranda until he became literally impossible to defend this past season.

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When did I use the word "sucks"? In who's world does a .500-.600 winning percentage suck? Only Baylor fans...

Texas Tech bought an SEC defense, THAT is the difference between a 550 winning percentage and going to the playoffs. Maguire was there when they were 5th in the Conference and when they are 1st. The players make the difference, not the coach. Look at Indiana, you really think Cignetti is #2 in the Nation without the significant NIL commitment?

I think you really don't have a grasp on what you write, you may want to try reading what you reference or have someone explain it to you.

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Man, these Aranda supporters, so many dead excuses, . Mac had personal issues but was man enough to step aside and not cost us millions of dollars when he knew he could no longer do the job. He could've fought us.

Your Mouse wimp of a coach is an abject failure at everything and can't even stand up for the hard work of his players to complain about 2 terrible calls that kept them out of the bowl game that they so well deserved. He knows he's a failure, always blames it on everyone else but won't quit because the bottom line all he cares about is the money.

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When did I write anything saying that Dave should be the coach? I have said that Dave was done after TCU. Maybe he would be a better fit at an Academy.

What I did say is that BU has to get their house in order before a coach will make a difference. I swear you guys just see what you want to see.

FLBear5630 said:

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bear2be2 said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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bear2be2 said:

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BREAKING: Texas Tech and head coach Joey McGuire have agreed to a new 7-year deal, @RossDellenger reports🌵https://t.co/xOG2doDpwl pic.twitter.com/ZYD0RlVpbq

— On3 (@On3sports) December 2, 2025

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Hope he negotiated a certain NIL level or it will be Aranda in the Panhandle.

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Yep, exactly what I am thinking. If Campbell pulls out, they are back to last year. I won't argue who is the better coach, but until the money came in this year, they were just Tech as usual, a team that we creamed just last year.

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they won 8 games and he has almost a 60% winning record not counting 2025. He would be the 2nd winningest coach ever at Baylor.

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You guys put way too much on Coaching. Maguire is the same Coach he always has been, 500-600 winning percentage at Tech. Add enough NIL to buy players, Playoff team. But if you think that Maguire is the secret sauce there are 100 coaches in college that could get similar results. Coaches don't get dumb and forget how to coach just like they don't suddenly get brilliant and become playoff coaches, they rise and sink with the players and that is beyond their control in most instances.

Baylor has had enough shoot ourselves in the foot moments to tank any program in the last decade. It is one misstep after another from the sexual assault, parade of Coaches, rejection of NIL, to we pay players, to Mack having to resign. And you guys wonder why it is mediocre? It is all Aranda???? No, it is a f-ed up program and not enough NIL to overcome it.

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This dude, who was apologizing for Aranda less than two months ago, thinks Matt Rhule and Joey McGuire suck.

Methinks perhaps he isn't the judge of coaching talent he thinks he is.

It's funny how that works, though. The vast majority of those who consistently downplay what Rhule and Joey have accomplished were all in on Dave Aranda until he became literally impossible to defend this past season.

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When did I use the word "sucks"? In who's world does a .500-.600 winning percentage suck? Only Baylor fans...

Texas Tech bought an SEC defense, THAT is the difference between a 550 winning percentage and going to the playoffs. Maguire was there when they were 5th in the Conference and when they are 1st. The players make the difference, not the coach. Look at Indiana, you really think Cignetti is #2 in the Nation without the significant NIL commitment?

I think you really don't have a grasp on what you write, you may want to try reading what you reference or have someone explain it to you.

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Ah yes, Cignetti has certainly benefitted from taking over that perennial power ... double checks notes ... Indiana. What ever would he have done without that platform to build from?

Obviously, talent is the biggest driver of success. But the "coaching doesn't matter" crowd looks dumber and dumber every year as good coaches continue to meet or exceed expectations regardless of their circumstances and bad ones continue to underachieve.

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If you do not have the institutional commitment to win, you won't. Tech has been committed for a while. Right now they have some things going in their favor besides the NIL. The Mahomes stuff has helped recruiting and he is willing to be active in it. Joey would be 550 winning percentage and mid level bowl coach. Not bad and in a lot of times in history, that would be a 20 year and ring of honor career. Nice job and life. NIL is the secret sauce WITH the institutional support.

My post was not to demean Joey, but to say that Baylor needs to get the house in order before we can expect to be more than a flash in the pan. Livingstone and Mack have created a mediocre environment with no excitement. Aranda is part of that. Even when he won it did not generate excitement. It was boring football in 2021. Joey has a persona, he has that over Dave. Joey is Texas through and through and a good fit for west texas.

Who will Baylor get that is a good fit???? Will it matter if they keep f-ing up the program. "We Pay Players" shirts? Really? We need better before we can expect to get someone that will win and stay.

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The more I think about it, Dan Mullen is the way to go next year.

I think he would be a really good fit for us ... and the Big 12 in general. He's proven he can win big at non-traditional powers with relatively limited resources and has already had his unsuccessful foray into "the big time."

You'd be getting a proven commodity who may be content to build at Baylor.

There are others I'd be happy with (like Lewis, Eck and even Keeler or Traylor) but when you talk about fit, Mullen shoots to the top of my list.

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we agree 100%. He would be a grandslam. I loved his Miss St teams and he has been able to even win at UNLV.

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Wonder if he would consider BU as a downgrade from UNLV? He may remember the infamous "fumble debacle". Maybe he's just shaking his head side to side leaving infinite meanings.

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bear2be2 said:

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BREAKING: Texas Tech and head coach Joey McGuire have agreed to a new 7-year deal, @RossDellenger reports🌵https://t.co/xOG2doDpwl pic.twitter.com/ZYD0RlVpbq

— On3 (@On3sports) December 2, 2025

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Hope he negotiated a certain NIL level or it will be Aranda in the Panhandle.

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Yep, exactly what I am thinking. If Campbell pulls out, they are back to last year. I won't argue who is the better coach, but until the money came in this year, they were just Tech as usual, a team that we creamed just last year.

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they won 8 games and he has almost a 60% winning record not counting 2025. He would be the 2nd winningest coach ever at Baylor.

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You guys put way too much on Coaching. Maguire is the same Coach he always has been, 500-600 winning percentage at Tech. Add enough NIL to buy players, Playoff team. But if you think that Maguire is the secret sauce there are 100 coaches in college that could get similar results. Coaches don't get dumb and forget how to coach just like they don't suddenly get brilliant and become playoff coaches, they rise and sink with the players and that is beyond their control in most instances.

Baylor has had enough shoot ourselves in the foot moments to tank any program in the last decade. It is one misstep after another from the sexual assault, parade of Coaches, rejection of NIL, to we pay players, to Mack having to resign. And you guys wonder why it is mediocre? It is all Aranda???? No, it is a f-ed up program and not enough NIL to overcome it.

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This dude, who was apologizing for Aranda less than two months ago, thinks Matt Rhule and Joey McGuire suck.

Methinks perhaps he isn't the judge of coaching talent he thinks he is.

It's funny how that works, though. The vast majority of those who consistently downplay what Rhule and Joey have accomplished were all in on Dave Aranda until he became literally impossible to defend this past season.

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When did I use the word "sucks"? In who's world does a .500-.600 winning percentage suck? Only Baylor fans...

Texas Tech bought an SEC defense, THAT is the difference between a 550 winning percentage and going to the playoffs. Maguire was there when they were 5th in the Conference and when they are 1st. The players make the difference, not the coach. Look at Indiana, you really think Cignetti is #2 in the Nation without the significant NIL commitment?

I think you really don't have a grasp on what you write, you may want to try reading what you reference or have someone explain it to you.

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Ah yes, Cignetti has certainly benefitted from taking over that perennial power ... double checks notes ... Indiana. What ever would he have done without that platform to build from?

Obviously, talent is the biggest driver of success. But the "coaching doesn't matter" crowd looks dumber and dumber every year as good coaches continue to meet or exceed expectations regardless of their circumstances and bad ones continue to underachieve.

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If you do not have the institutional commitment to win, you won't. Tech has been committed for a while. Right now they have some things going in their favor besides the NIL. The Mahomes stuff has helped recruiting and he is willing to be active in it. Joey would be 550 winning percentage and mid level bowl coach. Not bad and in a lot of times in history, that would be a 20 year and ring of honor career. Nice job and life. NIL is the secret sauce WITH the institutional support.

My post was not to demean Joey, but to say that Baylor needs to get the house in order before we can expect to be more than a flash in the pan. Livingstone and Mack have created a mediocre environment with no excitement. Aranda is part of that. Even when he won it did not generate excitement. It was boring football in 2021. Joey has a persona, he has that over Dave. Joey is Texas through and through and a good fit for west texas.

Who will Baylor get that is a good fit???? Will it matter if they keep f-ing up the program. "We Pay Players" shirts? Really? We need better before we can expect to get someone that will win and stay.

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The more I think about it, Dan Mullen is the way to go next year.

I think he would be a really good fit for us ... and the Big 12 in general. He's proven he can win big at non-traditional powers with relatively limited resources and has already had his unsuccessful foray into "the big time."

You'd be getting a proven commodity who may be content to build at Baylor.

There are others I'd be happy with (like Lewis, Eck and even Keeler or Traylor) but when you talk about fit, Mullen shoots to the top of my list.

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we agree 100%. He would be a grandslam. I loved his Miss St teams and he has been able to even win at UNLV.

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Wonder if he would consider BU as a downgrade from UNLV? He may remember the infamous "fumble debacle". Maybe he's just shaking his head side to side leaving infinite meanings.

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UNLV may have more NIL and a better location to attract players... 18-22 year old males - Vegas or Waco?????

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bear2be2 said:

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bear2be2 said:

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bear2be2 said:

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BREAKING: Texas Tech and head coach Joey McGuire have agreed to a new 7-year deal, @RossDellenger reports🌵https://t.co/xOG2doDpwl pic.twitter.com/ZYD0RlVpbq

— On3 (@On3sports) December 2, 2025

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Hope he negotiated a certain NIL level or it will be Aranda in the Panhandle.

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Yep, exactly what I am thinking. If Campbell pulls out, they are back to last year. I won't argue who is the better coach, but until the money came in this year, they were just Tech as usual, a team that we creamed just last year.

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they won 8 games and he has almost a 60% winning record not counting 2025. He would be the 2nd winningest coach ever at Baylor.

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You guys put way too much on Coaching. Maguire is the same Coach he always has been, 500-600 winning percentage at Tech. Add enough NIL to buy players, Playoff team. But if you think that Maguire is the secret sauce there are 100 coaches in college that could get similar results. Coaches don't get dumb and forget how to coach just like they don't suddenly get brilliant and become playoff coaches, they rise and sink with the players and that is beyond their control in most instances.

Baylor has had enough shoot ourselves in the foot moments to tank any program in the last decade. It is one misstep after another from the sexual assault, parade of Coaches, rejection of NIL, to we pay players, to Mack having to resign. And you guys wonder why it is mediocre? It is all Aranda???? No, it is a f-ed up program and not enough NIL to overcome it.

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This dude, who was apologizing for Aranda less than two months ago, thinks Matt Rhule and Joey McGuire suck.

Methinks perhaps he isn't the judge of coaching talent he thinks he is.

It's funny how that works, though. The vast majority of those who consistently downplay what Rhule and Joey have accomplished were all in on Dave Aranda until he became literally impossible to defend this past season.

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When did I use the word "sucks"? In who's world does a .500-.600 winning percentage suck? Only Baylor fans...

Texas Tech bought an SEC defense, THAT is the difference between a 550 winning percentage and going to the playoffs. Maguire was there when they were 5th in the Conference and when they are 1st. The players make the difference, not the coach. Look at Indiana, you really think Cignetti is #2 in the Nation without the significant NIL commitment?

I think you really don't have a grasp on what you write, you may want to try reading what you reference or have someone explain it to you.

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Ah yes, Cignetti has certainly benefitted from taking over that perennial power ... double checks notes ... Indiana. What ever would he have done without that platform to build from?

Obviously, talent is the biggest driver of success. But the "coaching doesn't matter" crowd looks dumber and dumber every year as good coaches continue to meet or exceed expectations regardless of their circumstances and bad ones continue to underachieve.

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If you do not have the institutional commitment to win, you won't. Tech has been committed for a while. Right now they have some things going in their favor besides the NIL. The Mahomes stuff has helped recruiting and he is willing to be active in it. Joey would be 550 winning percentage and mid level bowl coach. Not bad and in a lot of times in history, that would be a 20 year and ring of honor career. Nice job and life. NIL is the secret sauce WITH the institutional support.

My post was not to demean Joey, but to say that Baylor needs to get the house in order before we can expect to be more than a flash in the pan. Livingstone and Mack have created a mediocre environment with no excitement. Aranda is part of that. Even when he won it did not generate excitement. It was boring football in 2021. Joey has a persona, he has that over Dave. Joey is Texas through and through and a good fit for west texas.

Who will Baylor get that is a good fit???? Will it matter if they keep f-ing up the program. "We Pay Players" shirts? Really? We need better before we can expect to get someone that will win and stay.

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The more I think about it, Dan Mullen is the way to go next year.

I think he would be a really good fit for us ... and the Big 12 in general. He's proven he can win big at non-traditional powers with relatively limited resources and has already had his unsuccessful foray into "the big time."

You'd be getting a proven commodity who may be content to build at Baylor.

There are others I'd be happy with (like Lewis, Eck and even Keeler or Traylor) but when you talk about fit, Mullen shoots to the top of my list.

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we agree 100%. He would be a grandslam. I loved his Miss St teams and he has been able to even win at UNLV.

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Wonder if he would consider BU as a downgrade from UNLV? He may remember the infamous "fumble debacle". Maybe he's just shaking his head side to side leaving infinite meanings.

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UNLV may have more NIL and a better location to attract players... 18-22 year old males - Vegas or Waco?????

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Oh****! Kinda threw up in my mouth. Moan!

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Coaching absolutely matters. And any football fan with an ounce of knowledge knows this. I've said it repeatedly Dave Aranda is 8-4 as Techs coach this season.

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Truuue. Everyone needs to read that again bc its 100% right. There is no point in trying to buy Dave a roster

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FLBear5630 said:

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bear2be2 said:

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BREAKING: Texas Tech and head coach Joey McGuire have agreed to a new 7-year deal, @RossDellenger reports🌵https://t.co/xOG2doDpwl pic.twitter.com/ZYD0RlVpbq

— On3 (@On3sports) December 2, 2025

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Hope he negotiated a certain NIL level or it will be Aranda in the Panhandle.

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Yep, exactly what I am thinking. If Campbell pulls out, they are back to last year. I won't argue who is the better coach, but until the money came in this year, they were just Tech as usual, a team that we creamed just last year.

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they won 8 games and he has almost a 60% winning record not counting 2025. He would be the 2nd winningest coach ever at Baylor.

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You guys put way too much on Coaching. Maguire is the same Coach he always has been, 500-600 winning percentage at Tech. Add enough NIL to buy players, Playoff team. But if you think that Maguire is the secret sauce there are 100 coaches in college that could get similar results. Coaches don't get dumb and forget how to coach just like they don't suddenly get brilliant and become playoff coaches, they rise and sink with the players and that is beyond their control in most instances.

Baylor has had enough shoot ourselves in the foot moments to tank any program in the last decade. It is one misstep after another from the sexual assault, parade of Coaches, rejection of NIL, to we pay players, to Mack having to resign. And you guys wonder why it is mediocre? It is all Aranda???? No, it is a f-ed up program and not enough NIL to overcome it.

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This dude, who was apologizing for Aranda less than two months ago, thinks Matt Rhule and Joey McGuire suck.

Methinks perhaps he isn't the judge of coaching talent he thinks he is.

It's funny how that works, though. The vast majority of those who consistently downplay what Rhule and Joey have accomplished were all in on Dave Aranda until he became literally impossible to defend this past season.

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When did I use the word "sucks"? In who's world does a .500-.600 winning percentage suck? Only Baylor fans...

Texas Tech bought an SEC defense, THAT is the difference between a 550 winning percentage and going to the playoffs. Maguire was there when they were 5th in the Conference and when they are 1st. The players make the difference, not the coach. Look at Indiana, you really think Cignetti is #2 in the Nation without the significant NIL commitment?

I think you really don't have a grasp on what you write, you may want to try reading what you reference or have someone explain it to you.

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Ah yes, Cignetti has certainly benefitted from taking over that perennial power ... double checks notes ... Indiana. What ever would he have done without that platform to build from?

Obviously, talent is the biggest driver of success. But the "coaching doesn't matter" crowd looks dumber and dumber every year as good coaches continue to meet or exceed expectations regardless of their circumstances and bad ones continue to underachieve.

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If you do not have the institutional commitment to win, you won't. Tech has been committed for a while. Right now they have some things going in their favor besides the NIL. The Mahomes stuff has helped recruiting and he is willing to be active in it. Joey would be 550 winning percentage and mid level bowl coach. Not bad and in a lot of times in history, that would be a 20 year and ring of honor career. Nice job and life. NIL is the secret sauce WITH the institutional support.

My post was not to demean Joey, but to say that Baylor needs to get the house in order before we can expect to be more than a flash in the pan. Livingstone and Mack have created a mediocre environment with no excitement. Aranda is part of that. Even when he won it did not generate excitement. It was boring football in 2021. Joey has a persona, he has that over Dave. Joey is Texas through and through and a good fit for west texas.

Who will Baylor get that is a good fit???? Will it matter if they keep f-ing up the program. "We Pay Players" shirts? Really? We need better before we can expect to get someone that will win and stay.

---

The more I think about it, Dan Mullen is the way to go next year.

I think he would be a really good fit for us ... and the Big 12 in general. He's proven he can win big at non-traditional powers with relatively limited resources and has already had his unsuccessful foray into "the big time."

You'd be getting a proven commodity who may be content to build at Baylor.

There are others I'd be happy with (like Lewis, Eck and even Keeler or Traylor) but when you talk about fit, Mullen shoots to the top of my list.

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we agree 100%. He would be a grandslam. I loved his Miss St teams and he has been able to even win at UNLV.

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Wonder if he would consider BU as a downgrade from UNLV? He may remember the infamous "fumble debacle". Maybe he's just shaking his head side to side leaving infinite meanings.

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UNLV may have more NIL and a better location to attract players... 18-22 year old males - Vegas or Waco?????

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This is almost certainly not the case. The last published story involving UNLV's NIL capabilities was their starting quarterback quitting in the middle of an undefeated season because he wasn't paid the $100,000 he was promised.

UNLV is in no way, shape or form a better job than Baylor or better equipped to compete in the NIL era than we are.

Our biggest football-specific problem is that we have a really bad head coach leading our program right now, and that won't change until he's replaced by someone who can do that job better, which would be extremely easy to find in the coaching market.

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IowaBear said:

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Coaching absolutely matters. And any football fan with an ounce of knowledge knows this. I've said it repeatedly Dave Aranda is 8-4 as Techs coach this season.

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Truuue. Everyone needs to read that again bc its 100% right. There is no point in trying to buy Dave a roster

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I stand corrected.


Summary and Conclusion

Our analysis challenges the prevailing view in sports analytics that coaches are interchangeable. Using a new method that overcomes methodological limitations of previous studies, we show that coaches significantly affect outcomes in every sport we studied. Some of our most notable findings are as follows.

MLB managers affect runs scored, runs allowed, point margin, and victories. They matter more for runs allowed than for runs scored. They do not matter for wasted runs.

NFL coaches affect points allowed and the point margin. They significantly affect the number of fumbles and penalties a team commits. Coaches don't meaningfully differ in their choice of passing versus rushing, perhaps because of in-game constraints.

Coaches matter even more in college football than in the NFL. They significantly affect points scored, points allowed, the point margin, and the number of victories in a season.

Coaches are highly significant for team outcomes in the NBA and Division 1 college basketball. They influence points scored, points allowed, the point margin, and the number of victories. In college basketball, coaches also affect the total number of points scored in a game.

NHL coaches matter, although they matter much more for goals allowed than for goals scored.


Link to Univ of Chicago study...

68d6be744d7efccc2207faa9_Do-Coaches-Matter.pdf

The problem with Dan Mullen and several other coaches for that matter is that if he has success here, will he stay long-term or will this be a stepping stone to get back into the P2?

Guys like Briles, Joey McGuire, Eric Morris, Traylor are from Texas and were Texas high school football coaches who I feel like if they have success here would be wanting to stay long-term.

If the rumor is true that Eric Morris wanted to come to Baylor had we offered and he becomes successful at Oklahoma State, it will be another punch to the gut after passing on Joey. I would actually rather have Eric Morris than Joey because of the fact that he is an offensive guru whereas Joey seems more like a CEO/ra ra guy.

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BREAKING: Texas Tech and head coach Joey McGuire have agreed to a new 7-year deal, @RossDellenger reports🌵https://t.co/xOG2doDpwl pic.twitter.com/ZYD0RlVpbq

— On3 (@On3sports) December 2, 2025

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Hope he negotiated a certain NIL level or it will be Aranda in the Panhandle.

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Yep, exactly what I am thinking. If Campbell pulls out, they are back to last year. I won't argue who is the better coach, but until the money came in this year, they were just Tech as usual, a team that we creamed just last year.

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they won 8 games and he has almost a 60% winning record not counting 2025. He would be the 2nd winningest coach ever at Baylor.

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You guys put way too much on Coaching. Maguire is the same Coach he always has been, 500-600 winning percentage at Tech. Add enough NIL to buy players, Playoff team. But if you think that Maguire is the secret sauce there are 100 coaches in college that could get similar results. Coaches don't get dumb and forget how to coach just like they don't suddenly get brilliant and become playoff coaches, they rise and sink with the players and that is beyond their control in most instances

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I don't think it is any secret that the teams that have the highest volume of the best players are going to win the most games in any sport.

Was Phil Jackson a genius coach… Or was he along for the ride with Jordan and the bulls and Shaq/Kobe and the Lakers?

It's a little bit of a chicken an egg. I think we all understand the Texas Tech would not be having the year they're having if they had not spent crazy money. Given that… I'm not sure how much to detract from what Joey has done. You still have to get some credit for successfully managing the resources that you have.

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boognish_bear said:

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BREAKING: Texas Tech and head coach Joey McGuire have agreed to a new 7-year deal, @RossDellenger reports🌵https://t.co/xOG2doDpwl pic.twitter.com/ZYD0RlVpbq

— On3 (@On3sports) December 2, 2025

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Hope he negotiated a certain NIL level or it will be Aranda in the Panhandle.

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Yep, exactly what I am thinking. If Campbell pulls out, they are back to last year. I won't argue who is the better coach, but until the money came in this year, they were just Tech as usual, a team that we creamed just last year.

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they won 8 games and he has almost a 60% winning record not counting 2025. He would be the 2nd winningest coach ever at Baylor.

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You guys put way too much on Coaching. Maguire is the same Coach he always has been, 500-600 winning percentage at Tech. Add enough NIL to buy players, Playoff team. But if you think that Maguire is the secret sauce there are 100 coaches in college that could get similar results. Coaches don't get dumb and forget how to coach just like they don't suddenly get brilliant and become playoff coaches, they rise and sink with the players and that is beyond their control in most instances.

Baylor has had enough shoot ourselves in the foot moments to tank any program in the last decade. It is one misstep after another from the sexual assault, parade of Coaches, rejection of NIL, to we pay players, to Mack having to resign. And you guys wonder why it is mediocre? It is all Aranda???? No, it is a f-ed up program and not enough NIL to overcome it.

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This dude, who was apologizing for Aranda less than two months ago, thinks Matt Rhule and Joey McGuire suck.

Methinks perhaps he isn't the judge of coaching talent he thinks he is.

It's funny how that works, though. The vast majority of those who consistently downplay what Rhule and Joey have accomplished were all in on Dave Aranda until he became literally impossible to defend this past season.

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When did I use the word "sucks"? In who's world does a .500-.600 winning percentage suck? Only Baylor fans...

Texas Tech bought an SEC defense, THAT is the difference between a 550 winning percentage and going to the playoffs. Maguire was there when they were 5th in the Conference and when they are 1st. The players make the difference, not the coach. Look at Indiana, you really think Cignetti is #2 in the Nation without the significant NIL commitment?

I think you really don't have a grasp on what you write, you may want to try reading what you reference or have someone explain it to you.

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Ah yes, Cignetti has certainly benefitted from taking over that perennial power ... double checks notes ... Indiana. What ever would he have done without that platform to build from?

Obviously, talent is the biggest driver of success. But the "coaching doesn't matter" crowd looks dumber and dumber every year as good coaches continue to meet or exceed expectations regardless of their circumstances and bad ones continue to underachieve.

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If you do not have the institutional commitment to win, you won't. Tech has been committed for a while. Right now they have some things going in their favor besides the NIL. The Mahomes stuff has helped recruiting and he is willing to be active in it. Joey would be 550 winning percentage and mid level bowl coach. Not bad and in a lot of times in history, that would be a 20 year and ring of honor career. Nice job and life. NIL is the secret sauce WITH the institutional support.

My post was not to demean Joey, but to say that Baylor needs to get the house in order before we can expect to be more than a flash in the pan. Livingstone and Mack have created a mediocre environment with no excitement. Aranda is part of that. Even when he won it did not generate excitement. It was boring football in 2021. Joey has a persona, he has that over Dave. Joey is Texas through and through and a good fit for west texas.

Who will Baylor get that is a good fit???? Will it matter if they keep f-ing up the program. "We Pay Players" shirts? Really? We need better before we can expect to get someone that will win and stay.

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The more I think about it, Dan Mullen is the way to go next year.

I think he would be a really good fit for us ... and the Big 12 in general. He's proven he can win big at non-traditional powers with relatively limited resources and has already had his unsuccessful foray into "the big time."

You'd be getting a proven commodity who may be content to build at Baylor.

There are others I'd be happy with (like Lewis, Eck and even Keeler or Traylor) but when you talk about fit, Mullen shoots to the top of my list.

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Been thinking the same thing. I think Mullen would be a great hire for us.

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I'm not being flip when I say this… do his "church credentials" match up with what Baylor will be looking for?

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The problem with Dan Mullen and several other coaches for that matter is that if he has success here, will he stay long-term or will this be a stepping stone to get back into the P2?

Guys like Briles, Joey McGuire, Eric Morris, Traylor are from Texas and were Texas high school football coaches who I feel like if they have success here would be wanting to stay long-term.

If the rumor is true that Eric Morris wanted to come to Baylor had we offered and he becomes successful at Oklahoma State, it will be another punch to the gut after passing on Joey. I would actually rather have Eric Morris than Joey because of the fact that he is an offensive guru whereas Joey seems more like a CEO/ra ra guy.

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I honestly don't care that much about longevity or stability anymore. The fact of the matter is the Big 12 simply can not compete with the SEC or Big Ten in coaching salaries. Joey McGuire just signed a massive deal by Big 12 standards and it's half of a top-end SEC salary.

So just hire a good coach and be prepared to hire another one when that guy leaves. At this point, it's more about commitment level than it is about any individual coach. Just stay committed and hire good coaches.

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The problem with Dan Mullen and several other coaches for that matter is that if he has success here, will he stay long-term or will this be a stepping stone to get back into the P2?

Guys like Briles, Joey McGuire, Eric Morris, Traylor are from Texas and were Texas high school football coaches who I feel like if they have success here would be wanting to stay long-term.

If the rumor is true that Eric Morris wanted to come to Baylor had we offered and he becomes successful at Oklahoma State, it will be another punch to the gut after passing on Joey. I would actually rather have Eric Morris than Joey because of the fact that he is an offensive guru whereas Joey seems more like a CEO/ra ra guy.

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I honestly don't care that much about longevity or stability anymore. The fact of the matter is the Big 12 simply can not compete with the SEC or Big Ten in coaching salaries. Joey McGuire just signed a massive deal by Big 12 standards and it's half of a top-end SEC salary.

So just hire a good coach and be prepared to hire another one when that guy leaves. At this point, it's more about commitment level than it is about any individual coach. Just stay committed and hire good coaches.

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Agree but my point is that some coaches are happy to be at a particular place even if making less money. I think Joey will be at Tech until he retires or is fired. I don't think he will leave for a blue blood job although we'll see if Texas or A&M ever comes calling. I think he's happy making 7 mil while Lane is making 12.

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BREAKING: Texas Tech and head coach Joey McGuire have agreed to a new 7-year deal, @RossDellenger reports🌵https://t.co/xOG2doDpwl pic.twitter.com/ZYD0RlVpbq

— On3 (@On3sports) December 2, 2025

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Hope he negotiated a certain NIL level or it will be Aranda in the Panhandle.

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Yep, exactly what I am thinking. If Campbell pulls out, they are back to last year. I won't argue who is the better coach, but until the money came in this year, they were just Tech as usual, a team that we creamed just last year.

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they won 8 games and he has almost a 60% winning record not counting 2025. He would be the 2nd winningest coach ever at Baylor.

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You guys put way too much on Coaching. Maguire is the same Coach he always has been, 500-600 winning percentage at Tech. Add enough NIL to buy players, Playoff team. But if you think that Maguire is the secret sauce there are 100 coaches in college that could get similar results. Coaches don't get dumb and forget how to coach just like they don't suddenly get brilliant and become playoff coaches, they rise and sink with the players and that is beyond their control in most instances.

Baylor has had enough shoot ourselves in the foot moments to tank any program in the last decade. It is one misstep after another from the sexual assault, parade of Coaches, rejection of NIL, to we pay players, to Mack having to resign. And you guys wonder why it is mediocre? It is all Aranda???? No, it is a f-ed up program and not enough NIL to overcome it.

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This dude, who was apologizing for Aranda less than two months ago, thinks Matt Rhule and Joey McGuire suck.

Methinks perhaps he isn't the judge of coaching talent he thinks he is.

It's funny how that works, though. The vast majority of those who consistently downplay what Rhule and Joey have accomplished were all in on Dave Aranda until he became literally impossible to defend this past season.

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When did I use the word "sucks"? In who's world does a .500-.600 winning percentage suck? Only Baylor fans...

Texas Tech bought an SEC defense, THAT is the difference between a 550 winning percentage and going to the playoffs. Maguire was there when they were 5th in the Conference and when they are 1st. The players make the difference, not the coach. Look at Indiana, you really think Cignetti is #2 in the Nation without the significant NIL commitment?

I think you really don't have a grasp on what you write, you may want to try reading what you reference or have someone explain it to you.

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Ah yes, Cignetti has certainly benefitted from taking over that perennial power ... double checks notes ... Indiana. What ever would he have done without that platform to build from?

Obviously, talent is the biggest driver of success. But the "coaching doesn't matter" crowd looks dumber and dumber every year as good coaches continue to meet or exceed expectations regardless of their circumstances and bad ones continue to underachieve.

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If you do not have the institutional commitment to win, you won't. Tech has been committed for a while. Right now they have some things going in their favor besides the NIL. The Mahomes stuff has helped recruiting and he is willing to be active in it. Joey would be 550 winning percentage and mid level bowl coach. Not bad and in a lot of times in history, that would be a 20 year and ring of honor career. Nice job and life. NIL is the secret sauce WITH the institutional support.

My post was not to demean Joey, but to say that Baylor needs to get the house in order before we can expect to be more than a flash in the pan. Livingstone and Mack have created a mediocre environment with no excitement. Aranda is part of that. Even when he won it did not generate excitement. It was boring football in 2021. Joey has a persona, he has that over Dave. Joey is Texas through and through and a good fit for west texas.

Who will Baylor get that is a good fit???? Will it matter if they keep f-ing up the program. "We Pay Players" shirts? Really? We need better before we can expect to get someone that will win and stay.

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The more I think about it, Dan Mullen is the way to go next year.

I think he would be a really good fit for us ... and the Big 12 in general. He's proven he can win big at non-traditional powers with relatively limited resources and has already had his unsuccessful foray into "the big time."

You'd be getting a proven commodity who may be content to build at Baylor.

There are others I'd be happy with (like Lewis, Eck and even Keeler or Traylor) but when you talk about fit, Mullen shoots to the top of my list.

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we agree 100%. He would be a grandslam. I loved his Miss St teams and he has been able to even win at UNLV.

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Wonder if he would consider BU as a downgrade from UNLV? He may remember the infamous "fumble debacle". Maybe he's just shaking his head side to side leaving infinite meanings.

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UNLV may have more NIL and a better location to attract players... 18-22 year old males - Vegas or Waco?????

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This is almost certainly not the case. The last published story involving UNLV's NIL capabilities was their starting quarterback quitting in the middle of an undefeated season because he wasn't paid the $100,000 he was promised.

UNLV is in no way, shape or form a better job than Baylor or better equipped to compete in the NIL era than we are.

Our biggest football-specific problem is that we have a really bad head coach leading our program right now, and that won't change until he's replaced by someone who can do that job better, which would be extremely easy to find in the coaching market.

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Sarcasm doesn't resonate with everyone.
Meanwhile, AD search & announcement... Crickets chirping.

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The problem with Dan Mullen and several other coaches for that matter is that if he has success here, will he stay long-term or will this be a stepping stone to get back into the P2?

Guys like Briles, Joey McGuire, Eric Morris, Traylor are from Texas and were Texas high school football coaches who I feel like if they have success here would be wanting to stay long-term.

If the rumor is true that Eric Morris wanted to come to Baylor had we offered and he becomes successful at Oklahoma State, it will be another punch to the gut after passing on Joey. I would actually rather have Eric Morris than Joey because of the fact that he is an offensive guru whereas Joey seems more like a CEO/ra ra guy.

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I honestly don't care that much about longevity or stability anymore. The fact of the matter is the Big 12 simply can not compete with the SEC or Big Ten in coaching salaries. Joey McGuire just signed a massive deal by Big 12 standards and it's half of a top-end SEC salary.

So just hire a good coach and be prepared to hire another one when that guy leaves. At this point, it's more about commitment level than it is about any individual coach. Just stay committed and hire good coaches.

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Agree but my point is that some coaches are happy to be at a particular place even if making less money. I think Joey will be at Tech until he retires or is fired. I don't think he will leave for a blue blood job although we'll see if Texas or A&M ever comes calling. I think he's happy making 7 mil while Lane is making 12.

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Oh I agree with that. And if you find that guy, awesome. I just wouldn't make trying to find that guy a major priority in the hiring process.

Dave Aranda is the perfect stability hire. He'll never leave Baylor on his own. But we would have been much better off just hiring two good coaches over that same seven-year span.

They do not. He has a reputation. Danny boy likes to party

He is on such thin ice they have taken his chair away

Cool deal as part of National Signing Day from Dave Aranda and @BUFootball.

Aranda is breaking down each of #Baylor’s signees on film for the media here at the Fudge Development Center. #SicEm pic.twitter.com/9rUGKvbmvA

— Parker Rehm (@parker_rehm) December 3, 2025

Wow. Coaching no longer matters???? Who knew.

Why even worry about the coach then? Just pay the players and hire some guys off this board, the pre wee field, the local middle or high schools. All we need is great players.

What a stupid take. Of course coaching matters. But so does NIL. It is a mix of both. If the coach can't manage NIL then they won't do well…. Hello Dabo/clemson.

When a good coach can do both they do well (Indiana or Vandy).

Where the coaching really shows through is the player development, in game adjustments, and how they start to do against the proven top tier coaches/teams.

Dude is making less than Dave

REPORT: New Oklahoma State head coach, Eric Morris, will be on a 5-year contract earning $3.8 annually million deal.

It was also included in a $100,000 raise per season. pic.twitter.com/wIMcfahtfX

— Reagan Harris (OSU Mart) (@OKSTMart) December 3, 2025