Waterboy prophecy

Back to the Steele days we go.

hodedofome said:

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Back to the Steele days we go.

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May as well with a Cicero as QB….

Again? You mean still.

We've sucked for a long while, just not as evident because much of our competition has sucked worse.

Sure we've had some really quality players but overall a sucky product ... which falls to CDA.

We have a new helmet? I saw something online alluding to one

hodedofome said:

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Back to the Steele days we go.

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I'm as disappointed as anyone with this season as well as every other CDA led season other than 2021 and 2024, but let's not get completely carried away - we're still a far cry from Kevin Steele days.

Johnny Bear said:

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hodedofome said:

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Back to the Steele days we go.

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I'm as disappointed as anyone with this season as well as every other CDA led season other than 2021 and 2024, but let's not get completely carried away - we're still a far cry from Kevin Steele days.

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Agreed. The last four games feel a lot like the Guy Morriss era, though, and that's completely unacceptable given the foundation Dave started his tenure from.

Now we have to hire Kevin Steele as our DC. Spiderman memes galore!

TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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Again? You mean still.

We've sucked for a long while, just not as evident because much of our competition has sucked worse.

Sure we've had some really quality players but overall a sucky product ... which falls to CDA.

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clown ass take.

Most of Dave's tenure has been a disappointment by Briles-era standards. By Steele-era standards, Dave is a HOF Coach.

Stefano DiMera said:

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We have a new helmet? I saw something online alluding to one

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Just put different decals on the chrome domes, wearing them vs Houston.

Bearknuckle said:

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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Again? You mean still.

We've sucked for a long while, just not as evident because much of our competition has sucked worse.

Sure we've had some really quality players but overall a sucky product ... which falls to CDA.

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clown ass take: Most of Dave's tenure has been a disappointment by Briles-era standards. By Steele-era standards, Dave is a HOF Coach.

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fify

TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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Bearknuckle said:

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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Again? You mean still.

We've sucked for a long while, just not as evident because much of our competition has sucked worse.

Sure we've had some really quality players but overall a sucky product ... which falls to CDA.

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clown ass take: Most of Dave's tenure has been a disappointment by Briles-era standards. By Steele-era standards, Dave is a HOF Coach.

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fify

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Steele's record: 9-36 with 1 conference win.
Aranda's record: 36-36 with a conference championship and a Sugar bowl win, both of which were part of Baylor's only 12 win season.


Are you a Reverend in the Church of Clown Ass Takes?

edit: and to make it clear for your holiness - I think Dave needs to go at this point. But comparing him to Kevin Steele is legitimately stupid on the basic facts. Steele never went bowling - Dave's been to 3 bowls and one was a NY6 bowl that he won. At his 1:4 W:L ratio, Steele would have had a literal gross of losses to get to Dave's win total, as disappointing as that has been in context.

TLDR: I think Baylor should part ways with Dave, but comparing him Kevin Steele is an insult to Baylor, Dave, and basic common sense.

We throw out the seasons where Dave was playing with someone else's players. The trend has been down and it's going to get worse. We are headed for Steele.

hodedofome said:

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We throw out the seasons where Dave was playing with someone else's players. The trend has been down and it's going to get worse. We are headed for Steele.

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JT Woods & Ty Thornton were major contributors. Several other players were also big pieces. BUT:

• Without Apu Ika, Jacob Gall, Dillon Doyle, and Drew Estrada 2021 doesn't happen, flat out
• Same goes for moving Pitre to his natural spot and slimming him up for more speed and burst
• Same goes for moving Abram Smith from LB to RB
• The Defensive players all had 2 years with Roberts & Aranda...they were well developed during that time as the April 2022 Draft showed.
• Bohannon started, but without Shapen stepping in at crucial times, we don't have the same record.

Rhule gets a portion of the credit for '21...but Dave and his staff get the lion's share without question. Later disappointments don't erase the facts that (A) 2021 was Baylor's best year in Football all time, and that (B) Dave gets a lot of credit for that.

He also gets the bulk of the blame for everything that went wrong after '21 (pending a post-Rhoades post mortem, his share may have to be reevaluated).

The Bad doesn't cancel the Good, nor vice versa.

Bearknuckle said:

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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Bearknuckle said:

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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Again? You mean still.

We've sucked for a long while, just not as evident because much of our competition has sucked worse.

Sure we've had some really quality players but overall a sucky product ... which falls to CDA.

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clown ass take: Most of Dave's tenure has been a disappointment by Briles-era standards. By Steele-era standards, Dave is a HOF Coach.

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fify

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Steele's record: 9-36 with 1 conference win.
Aranda's record: 36-36 with a conference championship and a Sugar bowl win, both of which were part of Baylor's only 12 win season.


Are you a Reverend in the Church of Clown Ass Takes?

edit: and to make it clear for your holiness - I think Dave needs to go at this point. But comparing him to Kevin Steele is legitimately stupid on the basic facts. Steele never went bowling - Dave's been to 3 bowls and one was a NY6 bowl that he won. At his 1:4 W:L ratio, Steele would have had a literal gross of losses to get to Dave's win total, as disappointing as that has been in context.

TLDR: I think Baylor should part ways with Dave, but comparing him Kevin Steele is an insult to Baylor, Dave, and basic common sense.

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You're the goof who brought Steele into my post, not me. I just said we've sucked for a long time. CDA has been obviously bad for 3 years, and questionable prior to that. He did everything he could to lose our championship season. Thank goodness our players were better than his play calling.

And really, if Steele inherited what Aranda did, his record would be better as well.

Bearknuckle said:

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hodedofome said:

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We throw out the seasons where Dave was playing with someone else's players. The trend has been down and it's going to get worse. We are headed for Steele.

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JT Woods & Ty Thornton were major contributors. Several other players were also big pieces. BUT:

• Without Apu Ika, Jacob Gall, Dillon Doyle, and Drew Estrada 2021 doesn't happen, flat out
• Same goes for moving Pitre to his natural spot and slimming him up for more speed and burst
• Same goes for moving Abram Smith from LB to RB
• The Defensive players all had 2 years with Roberts & Aranda...they were well developed during that time as the April 2022 Draft showed.
• Bohannon started, but without Shapen stepping in at crucial times, we don't have the same record.

Rhule gets a portion of the credit for '21...but Dave and his staff get the lion's share without question. Later disappointments don't erase the facts that (A) 2021 was Baylor's best year in Football all time, and that (B) Dave gets a lot of credit for that.

He also gets the bulk of the blame for everything that went wrong after '21 (pending a post-Rhoades post mortem, his share may have to be reevaluated).

The Bad doesn't cancel the Good, nor vice versa.

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Literally no one game planned around Doyle and he was a liability in coverage. He was mostly a rah-rah guy and run stuffer.

Estrada is not and never was a game breaker and it's weird that you're talking him up as though he was. A contributor sure, but he's not Ja'marr Chase.

Abram Smith started out as a RB until he blew out his knee in spring practice during his freshman year. He didn't have the quickness to return to RB right away.

We simply got lucky that no one had any tape on Shapen at the time. But it also helps that he had an all-American defense to bail him out.

Aranda's contribution to the defense was mostly bringing over Ika, and that's pretty much it for the most part.

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And really, if Steele inherited what Aranda did, his record would be better as well.

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We'll never know, but even with the questionable decisions Aranda has made he is still not in the league of Steele calling a running play with just seconds left in a game inside the UNLV 5 to score another TD and to create an attitude or whatever he called it when all we needed was to kneel the ball. Hopefully you all know the story...we fumble and UNLV picks it up and runs the length of the field to win the game.

Has to be the most colossal coaching decision screw-up in Baylor football history. So, don't give Steele too much credit for being able to have a better record. I would have to see it play out.

blackie said:

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And really, if Steele inherited what Aranda did, his record would be better as well.

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We'll never know, but even with the questionable decisions Aranda has made he is still not in the league of Steele calling a running play with just seconds left in a game inside the UNLV 5 to score another TD and to create an attitude or whatever he called it when all we needed was to kneel the ball. Hopefully you all know the story...we fumble and UNLV picks it up and runs the length of the field to win the game.

Has to be the most colossal coaching decision screw-up in Baylor football history. So, don't give Steele too much credit for being able to have a better record. I would have to see it play out.

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Well, Aranda did go for it on fourth down in his own territory, on the road, and in inclement weather conditions in a low leverage situation. That was an aggressively dumb call that gave TCU a huge gift which led to a score.

Perhaps not as catastrophically dumb as what Steele did, but both coaches exhibit terrible decision making.

What about the Bill Beal days?

CaliBear00 said:

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Bearknuckle said:

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hodedofome said:

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We throw out the seasons where Dave was playing with someone else's players. The trend has been down and it's going to get worse. We are headed for Steele.

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JT Woods & Ty Thornton were major contributors. Several other players were also big pieces. BUT:

• Without Apu Ika, Jacob Gall, Dillon Doyle, and Drew Estrada 2021 doesn't happen, flat out
• Same goes for moving Pitre to his natural spot and slimming him up for more speed and burst
• Same goes for moving Abram Smith from LB to RB
• The Defensive players all had 2 years with Roberts & Aranda...they were well developed during that time as the April 2022 Draft showed.
• Bohannon started, but without Shapen stepping in at crucial times, we don't have the same record.

Rhule gets a portion of the credit for '21...but Dave and his staff get the lion's share without question. Later disappointments don't erase the facts that (A) 2021 was Baylor's best year in Football all time, and that (B) Dave gets a lot of credit for that.

He also gets the bulk of the blame for everything that went wrong after '21 (pending a post-Rhoades post mortem, his share may have to be reevaluated).

The Bad doesn't cancel the Good, nor vice versa.

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Literally no one game planned around Doyle and he was a liability in coverage. He was mostly a rah-rah guy and run stuffer.

Estrada is not and never was a game breaker and it's weird that you're talking him up as though he was. A contributor sure, but he's not Ja'marr Chase.

Abram Smith started out as a RB until he blew out his knee in spring practice during his freshman year. He didn't have the quickness to return to RB right away.

We simply got lucky that no one had any tape on Shapen at the time. But it also helps that he had an all-American defense to bail him out.

Aranda's contribution to the defense was mostly bringing over Ika, and that's pretty much it for the most part.

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Doyle's run defense was massive, downplaying it makes no sense at all. I never claimed he was an All-American level LB who could do it all, but he was also far from a JAG.

Estrada's run blocking was elite and a real component of the run games success, and he was very sure handed when targeted. Again, not an All-American but an important part of that team that wasn't a Rhule guy.

You didn't even mention Gall and he was absolutely crucial to the success of the offense. Without that addition, our offense doesn't have a breakout year - Rhule's OL recruiting had decent highs but lots of misses too, and he left us no adequate Center.

Rhule's staff wasn't parking Abram at LB as some new type of RB rehab…it was Dave's staff that realized he needed to move back to his natural position to excel.

Same with Pitre…Snow had him overweight and out of position. Pitre's on record crediting Dave with his development for the NFL.

BullBear_bf said:

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What about the Bill Beal days?

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I was in school then. I didn't go to the games. Bill was too busy painting everything green (that was the joke back then), to worry about football. The deal back then was that losing was normal AND expected. There was no reason to believe Baylor would ever be or could be better.

It wasn't until Grant that that thinking changed. And even Grant's hiring was pitiful from a PR standpoint. Baylor had first hired Rudy Feldman from I think, from New Mexico, and then he backed out the next day. I guess people got to him and told him he was crazy to take that job. That made Grant's hiring in the media a bigger joke. And it was seriously talked about Baylor dropping football. Things were that bleak. Today's social media would not have cared. It was that low a point.

It would be interesting if there was a way to get a "what-if" as to where things would be today if Feldman had not backed out. My bet........no Big XII, no Briles, no McLane, no championships, no nothing,.