Howdy Doody time!

A whole lot of meaningless propaganda is being pushed out surrounding the decision to replay Arandaball in 2026 and hire the guy running a outdoors magazine as AD.

Is this brand new? Part of the propaganda campaign for keeping Aranda? If so, it is so manipulative and passive aggressive. The messages were great, but in the present context, it's basically just a backhanded way of saying that if you value winning, you are not a Christian.

TenBears said:

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Is this brand new? Part of the propaganda campaign for keeping Aranda? If so, it is so manipulative and passive aggressive. The messages were great, but in the present context, it's basically just a backhanded way of saying that if you value winning, you are not a Christian.

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You have in no way overstated or exaggerated here.

canoso said:

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TenBears said:

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Is this brand new? Part of the propaganda campaign for keeping Aranda? If so, it is so manipulative and passive aggressive. The messages were great, but in the present context, it's basically just a backhanded way of saying that if you value winning, you are not a Christian.

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You have in no way overstated or exaggerated here.

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y'all are deranged lmao - in no way did this video insinuate that valuing winning is un-Christian.

Baylor is leaning into it's status as the only actual member of the P4 that is openly, actively Christian and openly supports human spirituality.

If that ad reads like a preemptive excuse for athletic mediocrity to you...despite all of the imagery of our national champs and heisman winner etc...then I don't know what to say other than LOOOOOL.

Dave isn't a good coach and won't be no matter who the AD is. I like this hire but we won't get to find out how good he is until it's time to hire a new coach for 2027

Improving tailgating and allowing beer sales is dope but that stadium is still going to be half full next year

Bearknuckle said:

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canoso said:

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TenBears said:

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Is this brand new? Part of the propaganda campaign for keeping Aranda? If so, it is so manipulative and passive aggressive. The messages were great, but in the present context, it's basically just a backhanded way of saying that if you value winning, you are not a Christian.

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You have in no way overstated or exaggerated here.

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y'all are deranged lmao - in no way did this video insinuate that valuing winning is un-Christian.

Baylor is leaning into it's status as the only actual member of the P4 that is openly, actively Christian and openly supports human spirituality.

If that ad reads like a preemptive excuse for athletic mediocrity to you...despite all of the imagery of our national champs and heisman winner etc...then I don't know what to say other than LOOOOOL.

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You have six seasons now of flouting. Prepare for seven.

Aliceinbubbleland said:

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Bearknuckle said:

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canoso said:

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TenBears said:

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Is this brand new? Part of the propaganda campaign for keeping Aranda? If so, it is so manipulative and passive aggressive. The messages were great, but in the present context, it's basically just a backhanded way of saying that if you value winning, you are not a Christian.

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You have in no way overstated or exaggerated here.

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y'all are deranged lmao - in no way did this video insinuate that valuing winning is un-Christian.

Baylor is leaning into it's status as the only actual member of the P4 that is openly, actively Christian and openly supports human spirituality.

If that ad reads like a preemptive excuse for athletic mediocrity to you...despite all of the imagery of our national champs and heisman winner etc...then I don't know what to say other than LOOOOOL.

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You have six seasons now of flouting. Prepare for seven.

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I don't think Baylor is flouting the fanbase. Dave's tenure has been a disappointing rollercoaster and this season still would have been Kevin Steele's best by a million miles - we haven't settled back into the bad old ways of the bad old days.

That said, this season was a massive disappointment (we were expected to win at least 8 games) and I'm on record prior to Mack's meltdown that it was clearly time for a change at HC. But Mack's meltdown ****ed that timeline up.

So, yes ,we may indeed have a terrible season next year if the boosters don't want to throw Dave a lifesaver in the form of a massive NIL increase (can't blame them if they don't, obviously).

A) If that's the case, then he's going to go 1-4 and get fired before the halfway point of the season, so that we get ahead of the next hiring cycle.

B) If they do toss him a lifeline with a massive NIL infusion, then we know that regardless of Dave's abilities, the Uni is in fact supporting the program with the intention of actually competing, and he either wins 9+ games or still gets replaced for underperforming (I know many of y'all don't think that's possible but if we go all-in on NIL he might even have to win 10 in the regular season to keep his job).

C) The only scenario that would prove we've checked out on Football (to become a Basketball school, most likely), would be if Dave gets a mediocre level of NIL support and struggles to a become bowl eligible, but is still retained for '27.

Nothing I've seen indicates that C is going to happen. I'd bet a large amount of money that the next 12 months will bear out either A or B and I lean slightly towards B but at this point it's mostly noise with little signal out there.

I hope Doug is already working on his potential HC wish list and is ready to start executing on it by early October. I mean, it might not be necessary, but it probably will be.

If our football record over the next years doesn't deviate upward significantly from our historical mediocrity, there will have been no "new era," regardless of the usual excuses for said mediocrity.

Bearknuckle said:

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Aliceinbubbleland said:

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Bearknuckle said:

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canoso said:

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TenBears said:

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Is this brand new? Part of the propaganda campaign for keeping Aranda? If so, it is so manipulative and passive aggressive. The messages were great, but in the present context, it's basically just a backhanded way of saying that if you value winning, you are not a Christian.

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You have in no way overstated or exaggerated here.

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y'all are deranged lmao - in no way did this video insinuate that valuing winning is un-Christian.

Baylor is leaning into it's status as the only actual member of the P4 that is openly, actively Christian and openly supports human spirituality.

If that ad reads like a preemptive excuse for athletic mediocrity to you...despite all of the imagery of our national champs and heisman winner etc...then I don't know what to say other than LOOOOOL.

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You have six seasons now of flouting. Prepare for seven.

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I don't think Baylor is flouting the fanbase. Dave's tenure has been a disappointing rollercoaster and this season still would have been Kevin Steele's best by a million miles - we haven't settled back into the bad old ways of the bad old days.

That said, this season was a massive disappointment (we were expected to win at least 8 games) and I'm on record prior to Mack's meltdown that it was clearly time for a change at HC. But Mack's meltdown ****ed that timeline up.

So, yes ,we may indeed have a terrible season next year if the boosters don't want to throw Dave a lifesaver in the form of a massive NIL increase (can't blame them if they don't, obviously).

A) If that's the case, then he's going to go 1-4 and get fired before the halfway point of the season, so that we get ahead of the next hiring cycle.

B) If they do toss him a lifeline with a massive NIL infusion, then we know that regardless of Dave's abilities, the Uni is in fact supporting the program with the intention of actually competing, and he either wins 9+ games or still gets replaced for underperforming (I know many of y'all don't think that's possible but if we go all-in on NIL he might even have to win 10 in the regular season to keep his job).

C) The only scenario that would prove we've checked out on Football (to become a Basketball school, most likely), would be if Dave gets a mediocre level of NIL support and struggles to a become bowl eligible, but is still retained for '27.

Nothing I've seen indicates that C is going to happen. I'd bet a large amount of money that the next 12 months will bear out either A or B and I lean slightly towards B but at this point it's mostly noise with little signal out there.

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in no world would Baylor fire Dave if he pulls off 9 or 10 wins next year so B is not an option. Go with C. Basketball is easier and cheaper.

Bearknuckle said:

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Aliceinbubbleland said:

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Bearknuckle said:

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canoso said:

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TenBears said:

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Is this brand new? Part of the propaganda campaign for keeping Aranda? If so, it is so manipulative and passive aggressive. The messages were great, but in the present context, it's basically just a backhanded way of saying that if you value winning, you are not a Christian.

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You have in no way overstated or exaggerated here.

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y'all are deranged lmao - in no way did this video insinuate that valuing winning is un-Christian.

Baylor is leaning into it's status as the only actual member of the P4 that is openly, actively Christian and openly supports human spirituality.

If that ad reads like a preemptive excuse for athletic mediocrity to you...despite all of the imagery of our national champs and heisman winner etc...then I don't know what to say other than LOOOOOL.

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You have six seasons now of flouting. Prepare for seven.

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I don't think Baylor is flouting the fanbase. Dave's tenure has been a disappointing rollercoaster and this season still would have been Kevin Steele's best by a million miles - we haven't settled back into the bad old ways of the bad old days.

That said, this season was a massive disappointment (we were expected to win at least 8 games) and I'm on record prior to Mack's meltdown that it was clearly time for a change at HC. But Mack's meltdown ****ed that timeline up.

So, yes ,we may indeed have a terrible season next year if the boosters don't want to throw Dave a lifesaver in the form of a massive NIL increase (can't blame them if they don't, obviously).

A) If that's the case, then he's going to go 1-4 and get fired before the halfway point of the season, so that we get ahead of the next hiring cycle.

B) If they do toss him a lifeline with a massive NIL infusion, then we know that regardless of Dave's abilities, the Uni is in fact supporting the program with the intention of actually competing, and he either wins 9+ games or still gets replaced for underperforming (I know many of y'all don't think that's possible but if we go all-in on NIL he might even have to win 10 in the regular season to keep his job).

C) The only scenario that would prove we've checked out on Football (to become a Basketball school, most likely), would be if Dave gets a mediocre level of NIL support and struggles to a become bowl eligible, but is still retained for '27.

Nothing I've seen indicates that C is going to happen. I'd bet a large amount of money that the next 12 months will bear out either A or B and I lean slightly towards B but at this point it's mostly noise with little signal out there.

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I think you've set up a strawman with Choice A. What other than faith and Hope lead you to believe they will fire him even with a crappy season next year. Multiple crappy seasons haven't led to that. And the school is signaling that "leaning into" Christian heritage is more important than winning. Seriously, what leads you to believe that Aranda hasn't been deemed coach for life, other than common sense.

TenBears said:

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I think you've set up a strawman with Choice A. What other than faith and Hope lead you to believe they will fire him even with a crappy season next year. Multiple crappy seasons haven't led to that. And the school is signaling that "leaning into" Christian heritage is more important than winning. Seriously, what leads you to believe that Aranda hasn't been deemed coach for life, other than common sense.

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I think the context of his retention in '23 and in '25 are important - if the long-whispered rumors are true, the extension Mack gave him after '21 included a huge buyout. That's been repeated enough by the right people that I've got to believe there's fire under all that smoke.

It's been said a million ways by many posters on this site, but to be clear: Baylor, like most unis right now, is having to tighten its belt in substantive ways. The football program has almost certainly experienced revenue shrink from poor attendance and corresponding concessions drop etc over the last few years, due to the disappointments of '22, '23, early '24, and '25. That's exacerbated the program's woes in compounding fashion.

So that said, I think his seat is blazing hot with or without a big NIL boost, but the former scenario offers a 9-10 win ladder to climb out of the frying pan, whereas the latter scenario more or less puts the lid on him.

Bearknuckle said:

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canoso said:

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TenBears said:

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Is this brand new? Part of the propaganda campaign for keeping Aranda? If so, it is so manipulative and passive aggressive. The messages were great, but in the present context, it's basically just a backhanded way of saying that if you value winning, you are not a Christian.

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You have in no way overstated or exaggerated here.

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y'all are deranged lmao - in no way did this video insinuate that valuing winning is un-Christian.

Baylor is leaning into it's status as the only actual member of the P4 that is openly, actively Christian and openly supports human spirituality.

If that ad reads like a preemptive excuse for athletic mediocrity to you...despite all of the imagery of our national champs and heisman winner etc...then I don't know what to say other than LOOOOOL.

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Baylor has moved Drastically away from the ability to repeat those successes, but loves to brag about it, while ruining the life of its architect. How about just preaching a short Sermon, then at the end add, "O, by the way, we also have a football team that plays on Saturday's. Come on out if you're interested." Weak, weak, weak.

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Bearknuckle said:

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B) If they do toss him a lifeline with a massive NIL infusion, then we know that regardless of Dave's abilities, the Uni is in fact supporting the program with the intention of actually competing, and he either wins 9+ games or still gets replaced for underperforming (I know many of y'all don't think that's possible but if we go all-in on NIL he might even have to win 10 in the regular season to keep his job).

C) The only scenario that would prove we've checked out on Football (to become a Basketball school, most likely), would be if Dave gets a mediocre level of NIL support and struggles to a become bowl eligible, but is still retained for '27.

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in no world would Baylor fire Dave if he pulls off 9 or 10 wins next year so B is not an option. Go with C. Basketball is easier and cheaper.

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Yes, exactly, I'm saying if he wins at least 9 games next year he's coming back unless we go bonkers and spend top 3 or better in the Big 12; then he might have to either win 10 regular season games or appear in the conference title game to get brought back.

As for C...even if some folks would love that, if we're not even putting up a show of a fight in Football we'd most likely get relegated in realignment as Fb is king and I don't think our basketball programs get us included as full members of the new D1 (even if CKM was here, WBB is simply not a massive TV draw thus not a major driver of realignment).

So I don't think option C is actually even on the table...unless shrinking the whole uni is their goal, in which case it would definitely be the route selected. But I don't think that's the goal...

LL has made Baylor a creed college that doesn't accept anyone who doesn't believe and evangelize the way Baylor wants. It's absolutely an excuse for losing to value "good" people who "may"have skills vs finding skilled people who decide for themselves.
What top coach will come here with Baylor's unwritten requirement to be vocal in his faith and evangelize?
Baylor has become the most judgmental Puritanical place.

Timbear said:

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Bearknuckle said:

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canoso said:

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TenBears said:

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Is this brand new? Part of the propaganda campaign for keeping Aranda? If so, it is so manipulative and passive aggressive. The messages were great, but in the present context, it's basically just a backhanded way of saying that if you value winning, you are not a Christian.

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You have in no way overstated or exaggerated here.

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y'all are deranged lmao - in no way did this video insinuate that valuing winning is un-Christian.

Baylor is leaning into it's status as the only actual member of the P4 that is openly, actively Christian and openly supports human spirituality.

If that ad reads like a preemptive excuse for athletic mediocrity to you...despite all of the imagery of our national champs and heisman winner etc...then I don't know what to say other than LOOOOOL.

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Baylor has moved Drastically away from the ability to repeat those successes, but loves to brag about it, while ruining the life of its architect. How about just preaching a short Sermon, then at the end add, "O, by the way, we also have a football team that plays on Saturday's. Come on out if you're interested." Weak, weak, weak.

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Doug just got officially introduced yesterday, Tim. Let's give this thing some time to play out, say until after the January portal closes at least to give a real first impression?

Also, did you get your ENMU season tickets yet?
I think you and your dozens of Briles Buddies should have a contest:

• everyone pools $100
• winner gets the pool to buy season tix with the remainder going to their travel costs
• winner reports back from each game (preferably livestreams themselves doing play-by-play in the stands AND a post-game podcast as well as weekly write-ups)

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Garbage. CDA remains employed

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Also, did you get your ENMU season tickets yet?
I think you and your dozens of Briles Buddies should have a contest:

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I think you and your dozens of Briles Buddies should have a contest:

You meant tens of thousands of Briles Buddies. Did you see the stadium packed seats when it opened versus what showed up for you insiders this year?

Aliceinbubbleland said:

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Also, did you get your ENMU season tickets yet?
I think you and your dozens of Briles Buddies should have a contest:

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I think you and your dozens of Briles Buddies should have a contest:

You meant tens of thousands of Briles Buddies. Did you see the stadium packed seats when it opened versus what showed up for you insiders this year?

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Winning puts buts in seats. Dave had the placed filled out and rocking in '21, and hell even most of '22 there were great crowds - that TCU game was a bitter disappointment but good lord that crowd was electric.

Winning will fill McLane, even if it's Dave doing it. I believe that Doug is going to get us back to winning, with or without Dave Aranda.

I'm ready for shiplap cupcakes at McLane instead of paying $10 for nachos that have a half filled 1oz nacho serving