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Novosad in the portal
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Last: 7 days ago by Waco1947
Nah, he hasn't proven anything in college. BU won't give him a look
We have no reason to look at him and very good reasons not to.
“Incline my heart to your testimonies, and not to selfish gain!”
Psalm 119:36
Psalm 119:36
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You never know, could be the next Sawyer. He didn't have much playing time, either.
I would take him cheap and throw him in the mix and spend a bundle on OL.
I would take him cheap and throw him in the mix and spend a bundle on OL.
"The only true currency in this bankrupt world is what you share with someone else when you're uncool."
Who's to say he might do something similar and leave us in the lurch at the last moment. We don't want anyone of low character like that.
“Incline my heart to your testimonies, and not to selfish gain!”
Psalm 119:36
Psalm 119:36
I would welcome him here…. If he gets $0 of NIL and is a preferred walk on.
Otherwise…. Pass.
Otherwise…. Pass.
Y'all, it's just the way football go.
"The only true currency in this bankrupt world is what you share with someone else when you're uncool."
Most guys in his shoes would have been on his third transfer by now.
"The only true currency in this bankrupt world is what you share with someone else when you're uncool."
If he's not good enough for Oregon, then is most definitely not good enough for us.
WA Jim said:
If he's not good enough for Oregon, then is most definitely not good enough for us.
Huh?
Hard pass. IMO the bridge that BU coaches built over a period of years got permanently burned when he did what he did at the last minute.
I guess Sawyer wasn't good enough for Miss State, either.
And Cam Ward wasn't good enough for anybody.
So sure, Novasad isn't good enough for Oregon and their room full of 5-stars.
You don't know until you know. You gotta add talent, and if it's not so pricey that's a good thing. And Novasad even has more experience than any current Baylor qb, as little as that is, and likely far more capable of stepping in.
Get somebody with talent in the mix. But don't overpay and lessen your OL and DL potential by having to scrimp. None of them are going to flourish without a very good line and a vasty better defense to take some pressure off of the offense.
Get over the prejudice. People are all over Lagway primarily because of his legacy ties, and are against Novasad because he got money-whipped by Oregon to flip and didn't win the starting job against other top talent that was handsomely paid.
Lagway would be cool to have, but he also has his issues. He also had some top weapons to work with that Baylor currently does not have. If he comes it has to be at a bargain price. Same with Novasad. If they were able to get him on the roster, cool. But it shouldn't come at the expense of having him compete for the position, and maybe even add another candidate. Roll them out and let the best man win.
And Cam Ward wasn't good enough for anybody.
So sure, Novasad isn't good enough for Oregon and their room full of 5-stars.
You don't know until you know. You gotta add talent, and if it's not so pricey that's a good thing. And Novasad even has more experience than any current Baylor qb, as little as that is, and likely far more capable of stepping in.
Get somebody with talent in the mix. But don't overpay and lessen your OL and DL potential by having to scrimp. None of them are going to flourish without a very good line and a vasty better defense to take some pressure off of the offense.
Get over the prejudice. People are all over Lagway primarily because of his legacy ties, and are against Novasad because he got money-whipped by Oregon to flip and didn't win the starting job against other top talent that was handsomely paid.
Lagway would be cool to have, but he also has his issues. He also had some top weapons to work with that Baylor currently does not have. If he comes it has to be at a bargain price. Same with Novasad. If they were able to get him on the roster, cool. But it shouldn't come at the expense of having him compete for the position, and maybe even add another candidate. Roll them out and let the best man win.
"The only true currency in this bankrupt world is what you share with someone else when you're uncool."
It's kinda funny how a lot of fans say a Baylor star with eligibility left would be stupid to not jump to the NFL for millions.
Most of the same people have have permanent jihad hatred for a high school kid who got a last minute offer he couldn't refuse from a top tier program that backed up the truck to flip him. And that means the kid lacks character.
This is college football. It is what it is.
There ain't no character left in this game.
Most of the same people have have permanent jihad hatred for a high school kid who got a last minute offer he couldn't refuse from a top tier program that backed up the truck to flip him. And that means the kid lacks character.
This is college football. It is what it is.
There ain't no character left in this game.
"The only true currency in this bankrupt world is what you share with someone else when you're uncool."
Dia del DougO said:
Most guys in his shoes would have been on his third transfer by now.
Interesting. He stayed around thinking he had a shot or they kept him trying to develop him ?
Dia del DougO said:
It's kinda funny how a lot of fans say a Baylor star with eligibility left would be stupid to not jump to the NFL for millions.
Most of the same people have have permanent jihad hatred for a high school kid who got a last minute offer he couldn't refuse from a top tier program that backed up the truck to flip him. And that means the kid lacks character.
This is college football. It is what it is.
There ain't no character left in this game.
As I recall, I think the wrinkle was that AN (or his father) wanted to know that AN was *the guy* for Baylor and demanded CDA and staff NOT recruit any other QBs in that cycle as a show BU's commitment to AN. In exchange, AN, as a 4-star QB who was probably a better prospect Han BU would otherwise land, was willing to firm commit to Baylor early in the process.
When AN flipped at the very last second, BU was left with zero QB options for the class as the staff had dropped all other QB recruits at the demand of AN or his father. I don't necessarily blame the family for grabbing the cash, but it did us dirty in a way that was unusual.
This is the eternal riddle (not just in sports) of whether it is better to be a big fish in a small pond or go to the biggest pond possible. The NFL has long standing data that one of the strongest predictors of success for NFL QB prospects is number of starts in college. The correlation/causation is hard to tease out, but the data points in a very clear direction. The reality is that the difference between 24 starts 36 or 40+ in college is material. In the short term it was best for AN to go to Eugene. If this thing fizzles out for him as he now jumps into the transfer carousel he will wonder if it would have been better for his NFL dreams to go to Waco.
.... so, ultimately, Novosad isn't anywhere........
- UF
... and WA_Jim (still) doesn't really care.
BID.
- UF
... and WA_Jim (still) doesn't really care.
BID.
arbyscoin - the only crypto you can eat....
DallasBear9902 said:Dia del DougO said:
It's kinda funny how a lot of fans say a Baylor star with eligibility left would be stupid to not jump to the NFL for millions.
Most of the same people have have permanent jihad hatred for a high school kid who got a last minute offer he couldn't refuse from a top tier program that backed up the truck to flip him. And that means the kid lacks character.
This is college football. It is what it is.
There ain't no character left in this game.
As I recall, I think the wrinkle was that AN (or his father) wanted to know that AN was *the guy* for Baylor and demanded CDA and staff NOT recruit any other QBs in that cycle as a show BU's commitment to AN. In exchange, AN, as a 4-star QB who was probably a better prospect Han BU would otherwise land, was willing to firm commit to Baylor early in the process.
When AN flipped at the very last second, BU was left with zero QB options for the class as the staff had dropped all other QB recruits at the demand of AN or his father. I don't necessarily blame the family for grabbing the cash, but it did us dirty in a way that was unusual.
This is the eternal riddle (not just in sports) of whether it is better to be a big fish in a small pond or go to the biggest pond possible. The NFL has long standing data that one of the strongest predictors of success for NFL QB prospects is number of starts in college. The correlation/causation is hard to tease out, but the data points in a very clear direction. The reality is that the difference between 24 starts 36 or 40+ in college is material. In the short term it was best for AN to go to Eugene. If this thing fizzles out for him as he now jumps into the transfer carousel he will wonder if it would have been better for his NFL dreams to go to Waco.
I recall this as well. If I recall correctly there was no "thank you tweet or post on social media thanking the staff and announcing he was signing somewhere else" which is customary now. He just went missing from our staff's standpoint the day before signing day and then at like 7 am on signing day, Oregon did their PR tweet announcing he signed. I can see an 18 year old not getting what exactly classy behavior is. But that his parents didn't make him call our staff and tell them his plan and have him issue a nice statement publicly about the staff and thanking them showed me they are quite the narcissists.
That all said. I don't think he is really on the market, I think he is going with stein to Kentucky and it has probably been in the works for a while. If that is not the case then I would seriously be surprised and karma is being rough.
DallasBear9902 said:Dia del DougO said:
It's kinda funny how a lot of fans say a Baylor star with eligibility left would be stupid to not jump to the NFL for millions.
Most of the same people have have permanent jihad hatred for a high school kid who got a last minute offer he couldn't refuse from a top tier program that backed up the truck to flip him. And that means the kid lacks character.
This is college football. It is what it is.
There ain't no character left in this game.
As I recall, I think the wrinkle was that AN (or his father) wanted to know that AN was *the guy* for Baylor and demanded CDA and staff NOT recruit any other QBs in that cycle as a show BU's commitment to AN. In exchange, AN, as a 4-star QB who was probably a better prospect Han BU would otherwise land, was willing to firm commit to Baylor early in the process.
When AN flipped at the very last second, BU was left with zero QB options for the class as the staff had dropped all other QB recruits at the demand of AN or his father. I don't necessarily blame the family for grabbing the cash, but it did us dirty in a way that was unusual.
This is the eternal riddle (not just in sports) of whether it is better to be a big fish in a small pond or go to the biggest pond possible. The NFL has long standing data that one of the strongest predictors of success for NFL QB prospects is number of starts in college. The correlation/causation is hard to tease out, but the data points in a very clear direction. The reality is that the difference between 24 starts 36 or 40+ in college is material. In the short term it was best for AN to go to Eugene. If this thing fizzles out for him as he now jumps into the transfer carousel he will wonder if it would have been better for his NFL dreams to go to Waco.
Yep. It's tough on a kid to have to make these kinds of decisions when bags of money thrown in front of them. It's tough for the programs that get talent picked off every year, from the front end or the back end.
Novadad is an unknown quantity as a starting qb, that's for sure.
Lagway is somewhat known as a starting qb, but the reviews are mixed as to just how good he is.
I wouldn't say no to either one. Baylor has totally untested young qbs in the room right now. Ultimately, the most awesome outcome would be for one of them to turn out to be the next big deal Baylor quarterback and lead the team for at least a couple of years. But that's probably a pipe dream these days.
But as far as the Oregon situation, we know this. Since Novasad has been there he was playing behind a first round drafted qb and a third round drafted qb, and this past season, and now another projected first round drafted quarterback. With the new age of the portal since Herbert, their philosophy seems to have have been buying starting qbs through the portal. Yet they still keep recruiting top qb talent. They remain loaded.
Oregon hoards quarterbacks and they have the funds to do so and still recruit top level. Oregon is to quarterbacks as Gary Patterson is to pizza buffets. What you had ain't never enough.
"The only true currency in this bankrupt world is what you share with someone else when you're uncool."
Oregon buys QBs every portal season because Novasad is not it. He kept waiting because he has happy getting paid and probably doesn't have NFL aspirations. He took the paycheck and that's fine but a guy who feels like he is the man is not playing the waiting game especially with all the programs needing QBs each year. Aranda let Novasad and family screw the team over and the fact he didn't want to compete for the job should have told them all they needed to know. If you think you are top tier talent you don't mind competing. It's the reason Miami had a RB room with Clinton Portia, Willie McGahee, Frank gore and Najee Davenport. Tech had Baker and Pat Mahomes and Davis Webb. If your the guy you don't wait around while they keep bringing in new QBs
Assuming as some have pointed out he potentially will land at KY. That being said, regardless, the nasty way it ended at Baylor I can't imagine either Novasad or Baylor reaching out.
I can see them feeling things out if Stein truly has not set him up for UK. They struck me back then as narcissistic and narcissistic enough to think the staff would have forgiven and forgotten their classlessness from before as I mentioned above. I would think Baylor would only take the call to be professional (unlike he and his family) and politely tell them he no longer meet our needs at this time.
As a side note it is interesting how Traylor has now been surpassed by his original OC at UTSA (their glory days under Traylor) who is now a P4 HC.
As a side note it is interesting how Traylor has now been surpassed by his original OC at UTSA (their glory days under Traylor) who is now a P4 HC.
It's okay if Novosad goes to Kentucky, but thank goodness Scott Drew did not.
Dia del DougO said:
It's kinda funny how a lot of fans say a Baylor star with eligibility left would be stupid to not jump to the NFL for millions.
Most of the same people have have permanent jihad hatred for a high school kid who got a last minute offer he couldn't refuse from a top tier program that backed up the truck to flip him. And that means the kid lacks character.
This is college football. It is what it is.
There ain't no character left in this game.
Pretty much the same in business and especially politics. People are in favor while they are in use. After that, they get laid off, or in politics completely get thrown under the bus. But the irony is that some under the bus are still supporting whoever threw them under the bus.
ImwithBU said:
Oregon buys QBs every portal season because Novasad is not it.
Very limited thinking. Oregon does it because they want the quickest path to playoff/championship, they can buy anything they want, and that means buying more proven game-ready quarterbacks for immediate use.
They have the luxury of not having to develop, or even give up depth. They get it all, and it shows in their records and the NFL draft.
"The only true currency in this bankrupt world is what you share with someone else when you're uncool."
Dia del DougO said:
I guess Sawyer wasn't good enough for Miss State, either.
And Cam Ward wasn't good enough for anybody.
So sure, Novasad isn't good enough for Oregon and their room full of 5-stars.
You don't know until you know. You gotta add talent, and if it's not so pricey that's a good thing. And Novasad even has more experience than any current Baylor qb, as little as that is, and likely far more capable of stepping in.
Get somebody with talent in the mix. But don't overpay and lessen your OL and DL potential by having to scrimp. None of them are going to flourish without a very good line and a vasty better defense to take some pressure off of the offense.
Get over the prejudice. People are all over Lagway primarily because of his legacy ties, and are against Novasad because he got money-whipped by Oregon to flip and didn't win the starting job against other top talent that was handsomely paid.
Lagway would be cool to have, but he also has his issues. He also had some top weapons to work with that Baylor currently does not have. If he comes it has to be at a bargain price. Same with Novasad. If they were able to get him on the roster, cool. But it shouldn't come at the expense of having him compete for the position, and maybe even add another candidate. Roll them out and let the best man win.
Sawyer is a different perspective. The guy was Leachs last QB recruit - I get it if he wanted to leave with a different HC coming in.
Novo can pound sand.
I might be wrong, but I seem to remember reading somewhere that a Baylor coach, maybe CDA, actually got wind of Oregon pushing Novastad really hard and went to the kids house the day before signing. His dad looked the coach straight in the eye and said that they were 100% committed to Baylor. If that is true and he does contact Baylor, CDA should take the call and tell him that the next time he passed by Baylor to speed up and keep going.
We actually have a very good reason to look at him: we also suck.
When you don't have a ton of resources and are located in a tiny market with a small fan base and a lame duck coach, you kind of have to take what you can get.
When you don't have a ton of resources and are located in a tiny market with a small fan base and a lame duck coach, you kind of have to take what you can get.
"Smarter than the Average Bear."
We have spent probably close to a billion on athletic facilities over the past dozen years we are not lacking resources.
Heard Baylor only offered him a fraction of what Oregon did. I don't blame him
That was back when Aranda wanted to pay every kid on the roster the same amount of money
That was back when Aranda wanted to pay every kid on the roster the same amount of money
Sic 'em Bears and Go Birds
I don't blame an 18 taking the payday. I do blame the parents for doing us wrong. I also blame Aranda and staff for putting all their eggs in one basket. With that said we went to the portal and got talent. Sawyer left Mississippi State because of Leech's death and the new coach was defensive minded. It was not because he couldn't make it. Blake Shapen transferred there and started for which I was extremely happy for him.
I would take Novosad on the cheap if he admits that his previous interactions with Baylor should have been handled better. He is a man now and not a boy. Let him admit that he and his parents did not handle it well. That would show character and leadership to me.
Ultimately, I think that if our coaches think someone in our QB room is a serviceable Big 12 QB (at least middle of the pack) we should focus our NIL resources primarily on the trenches. Our DL significantly underperformed this year.
I would take Novosad on the cheap if he admits that his previous interactions with Baylor should have been handled better. He is a man now and not a boy. Let him admit that he and his parents did not handle it well. That would show character and leadership to me.
Ultimately, I think that if our coaches think someone in our QB room is a serviceable Big 12 QB (at least middle of the pack) we should focus our NIL resources primarily on the trenches. Our DL significantly underperformed this year.
Not saying Novasad in particular, but I actually think a transfer similar to his profile is a decent bet. High ranked prospect who just got lost in the mix playing behind older, more developed star quarterbacks. He's more physically developed and has had a few years of top level coaching.
You don't guarantee him a staring job, but he's the leader in the clubhouse, and you let them compete. You get him at an affordable enough price that he's not going to hurt the spending in the trenches, put some developed bigs in front of them. Let the best qb win.
They have to start sometime, or bust. If you end up with three or four bum steers, that's on the staff. If you're going to take a chance, this is a good year to do it. It's not like there are huge expectations. You may find a gem among them, or you find you that you need better qb evaluations and move on.
You don't guarantee him a staring job, but he's the leader in the clubhouse, and you let them compete. You get him at an affordable enough price that he's not going to hurt the spending in the trenches, put some developed bigs in front of them. Let the best qb win.
They have to start sometime, or bust. If you end up with three or four bum steers, that's on the staff. If you're going to take a chance, this is a good year to do it. It's not like there are huge expectations. You may find a gem among them, or you find you that you need better qb evaluations and move on.
"The only true currency in this bankrupt world is what you share with someone else when you're uncool."
BigGameBaylorBear said:
Heard Baylor only offered him a fraction of what Oregon did. I don't blame him
That was back when Aranda wanted to pay every kid on the roster the same amount of money
Can't blame the kids for being bought by slick talkers throwing more money around than they ever thought possible for a teenager. If you have to blame something, blame the system, because that's what it is.
"The only true currency in this bankrupt world is what you share with someone else when you're uncool."
Recall the Jerry Maguire movie when the father of the star QB says something like "my word is strong as oak" right before his son commits to a competing agent.
I can ignore him stiffing us. I don't like his body of work at Oregon.
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