GruntTuff said:

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MilliVanilli said:

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wuzzy bear said:

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If he is so dang good, why was the decision made to start Anu over Zack. One thing is for sure. We are gonna take a lot of time off the clock and let the defense get ready for every play. Briles approach of stomping on you early and often is my style. It works in college. We shall see. It's way too early to judge his performance but he is not off to the start any of us expected.

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Kirby Freeman started over RG3.

Craig Morton over Roger Staubach and they rotated every play.

Fans have the luxury of hindsight, coaches don't.

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Were you at the first Briles game? I was.

Freeman threw 11 passes, completed 4 for 31 yards with two interceptions. Freeman had played for Briles at Stephenville and Briles was using him as a bridge to Griffin. True freshman Griffin threw 11, completed 19 for 125 yards.

Rhule played a transfer (by the way, is he still injured?) for two complete games (both losses) to terrible teams over a very talented freshman and a sophomore who beat Boise State in a bowl game.

But then, I'm just a senile old man who has only been following Baylor football for 52 years. What do I know?

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GruntTuff said:

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MilliVanilli said:

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wuzzy bear said:

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If he is so dang good, why was the decision made to start Anu over Zack. One thing is for sure. We are gonna take a lot of time off the clock and let the defense get ready for every play. Briles approach of stomping on you early and often is my style. It works in college. We shall see. It's way too early to judge his performance but he is not off to the start any of us expected.

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Kirby Freeman started over RG3.

Craig Morton over Roger Staubach and they rotated every play.

Fans have the luxury of hindsight, coaches don't.

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Were you at the first Briles game? I was.

Freeman threw 11 passes, completed 4 for 31 yards with two interceptions. Freeman had played for Briles at Stephenville and Briles was using him as a bridge to Griffin. True freshman Griffin threw 11, completed 19 for 125 yards.

Rhule played a transfer (by the way, is he still injured?) for two complete games (both losses) to terrible teams over a very talented freshman and a sophomore who beat Boise State in a bowl game.

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Cool story bra, Anu actually played really well in the first game, minus a pass that was picked because of a bad route run by a receiver.

He was concussed in game two.

What's your point exactly? RG3 wasn't the opening day starter for Baylor, so what's your point?

Ghostrider said:

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Let me just post the excuses:

Bad players
Young players
Lost a recruiting class
No one expected Rhule to win
Rhule is doing as well as Briles his 1st year
This is a process
Rhule only won 2 games his 1st year at Temple
Players still learning system.

There, I saved you 13$ per month from having to read the premium board.

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Sad if true.

MilliVanilli said:

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GruntTuff said:

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MilliVanilli said:

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wuzzy bear said:

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If he is so dang good, why was the decision made to start Anu over Zack. One thing is for sure. We are gonna take a lot of time off the clock and let the defense get ready for every play. Briles approach of stomping on you early and often is my style. It works in college. We shall see. It's way too early to judge his performance but he is not off to the start any of us expected.

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Kirby Freeman started over RG3.

Craig Morton over Roger Staubach and they rotated every play.

Fans have the luxury of hindsight, coaches don't.

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Were you at the first Briles game? I was.

Freeman threw 11 passes, completed 4 for 31 yards with two interceptions. Freeman had played for Briles at Stephenville and Briles was using him as a bridge to Griffin. True freshman Griffin threw 11, completed 19 for 125 yards.

Rhule played a transfer (by the way, is he still injured?) for two complete games (both losses) to terrible teams over a very talented freshman and a sophomore who beat Boise State in a bowl game.

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Cool story bra, Anu actually played really well in the first game, minus a pass that was picked because of a bad route run by a receiver.

He was concussed in game two.

What's your point exactly? RG3 wasn't the opening day starter for Baylor, so what's your point?

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Played really well against a glorified high school team. Where is he now? Briles started Freeman, who came to Baylor as a gift to his old coach, to take the pressure off of the player Briles knew would be his starter soon.

Guy happened to win the Heisman, but I guess in your twisted world he must be a sex offender since he actually liked Briles.

GruntTuff said:

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MilliVanilli said:

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GruntTuff said:

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MilliVanilli said:

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wuzzy bear said:

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If he is so dang good, why was the decision made to start Anu over Zack. One thing is for sure. We are gonna take a lot of time off the clock and let the defense get ready for every play. Briles approach of stomping on you early and often is my style. It works in college. We shall see. It's way too early to judge his performance but he is not off to the start any of us expected.

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Kirby Freeman started over RG3.

Craig Morton over Roger Staubach and they rotated every play.

Fans have the luxury of hindsight, coaches don't.

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Were you at the first Briles game? I was.

Freeman threw 11 passes, completed 4 for 31 yards with two interceptions. Freeman had played for Briles at Stephenville and Briles was using him as a bridge to Griffin. True freshman Griffin threw 11, completed 19 for 125 yards.

Rhule played a transfer (by the way, is he still injured?) for two complete games (both losses) to terrible teams over a very talented freshman and a sophomore who beat Boise State in a bowl game.

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Cool story bra, Anu actually played really well in the first game, minus a pass that was picked because of a bad route run by a receiver.

He was concussed in game two.

What's your point exactly? RG3 wasn't the opening day starter for Baylor, so what's your point?

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Played really well against a glorified high school team. Where is he now? Briles started Freeman, who came to Baylor as a gift to his old coach, to take the pressure off of the player Briles knew would be his starter soon.

Guy happened to win the Heisman, but I guess in your twisted world he must be a sex offender since he actually liked Briles.

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You truly do live in an alternate reality, such is the painful existence of cab apologists.

Reality is a blunt instrument that hits you hard.

MilliVanilli said:

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GruntTuff said:

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MilliVanilli said:

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GruntTuff said:

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MilliVanilli said:

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wuzzy bear said:

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If he is so dang good, why was the decision made to start Anu over Zack. One thing is for sure. We are gonna take a lot of time off the clock and let the defense get ready for every play. Briles approach of stomping on you early and often is my style. It works in college. We shall see. It's way too early to judge his performance but he is not off to the start any of us expected.

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Kirby Freeman started over RG3.

Craig Morton over Roger Staubach and they rotated every play.

Fans have the luxury of hindsight, coaches don't.

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Were you at the first Briles game? I was.

Freeman threw 11 passes, completed 4 for 31 yards with two interceptions. Freeman had played for Briles at Stephenville and Briles was using him as a bridge to Griffin. True freshman Griffin threw 11, completed 19 for 125 yards.

Rhule played a transfer (by the way, is he still injured?) for two complete games (both losses) to terrible teams over a very talented freshman and a sophomore who beat Boise State in a bowl game.

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Cool story bra, Anu actually played really well in the first game, minus a pass that was picked because of a bad route run by a receiver.

He was concussed in game two.

What's your point exactly? RG3 wasn't the opening day starter for Baylor, so what's your point?

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Played really well against a glorified high school team. Where is he now? Briles started Freeman, who came to Baylor as a gift to his old coach, to take the pressure off of the player Briles knew would be his starter soon.

Guy happened to win the Heisman, but I guess in your twisted world he must be a sex offender since he actually liked Briles.

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You truly do live in an alternate reality, such is the painful existence of cab apologists.

Reality is a blunt instrument that hits you hard.

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Where did you go to college?

Ghostrider said:

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Let me just post the excuses:

Bad players
Young players
Lost a recruiting class
No one expected Rhule to win
Rhule is doing as well as Briles his 1st year
This is a process
Rhule only won 2 games his 1st year at Temple
Players still learning system.

There, I saved you 13$ per month from having to read the premium board.

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the owners should ban you. You are constantly dissing their product and taking shots at them on the free board. Why don't you go start your own message board, I'm sure you would get a lot of subscribers with your constant negativism. Take Milli Vanilli and apple something with you.

GruntTuff said:

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MilliVanilli said:

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GruntTuff said:

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MilliVanilli said:

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GruntTuff said:

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MilliVanilli said:

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wuzzy bear said:

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If he is so dang good, why was the decision made to start Anu over Zack. One thing is for sure. We are gonna take a lot of time off the clock and let the defense get ready for every play. Briles approach of stomping on you early and often is my style. It works in college. We shall see. It's way too early to judge his performance but he is not off to the start any of us expected.

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Kirby Freeman started over RG3.

Craig Morton over Roger Staubach and they rotated every play.

Fans have the luxury of hindsight, coaches don't.

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Were you at the first Briles game? I was.

Freeman threw 11 passes, completed 4 for 31 yards with two interceptions. Freeman had played for Briles at Stephenville and Briles was using him as a bridge to Griffin. True freshman Griffin threw 11, completed 19 for 125 yards.

Rhule played a transfer (by the way, is he still injured?) for two complete games (both losses) to terrible teams over a very talented freshman and a sophomore who beat Boise State in a bowl game.

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Cool story bra, Anu actually played really well in the first game, minus a pass that was picked because of a bad route run by a receiver.

He was concussed in game two.

What's your point exactly? RG3 wasn't the opening day starter for Baylor, so what's your point?

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Played really well against a glorified high school team. Where is he now? Briles started Freeman, who came to Baylor as a gift to his old coach, to take the pressure off of the player Briles knew would be his starter soon.

Guy happened to win the Heisman, but I guess in your twisted world he must be a sex offender since he actually liked Briles.

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You truly do live in an alternate reality, such is the painful existence of cab apologists.

Reality is a blunt instrument that hits you hard.

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Where did you go to college?

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Baylor University. Why are you a 68 year old stalker? Do the grand kids never visit? That starved for attention? Do meals on wheels never drop by anymore?

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I stumbled upon a free BU site and read a lot of comments about Rhule's start. I thought some might enjoy a read from a 30+ year Temple FB fanatic. In all seriousness, I can say there are probably only a couple hundred people on the planet that can lay claim t ..... taff) who greatly improved individual players and coached them up into being a great team. I would have never believed it had I not lived it. He and his staff worked miracles at Temple.

Good luck, Im watching from Philly

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Tolstoyovic - thx for the comments. I think do Rhule will do a good job here eventually.

BTW - being from the NE, have you ever seen a Javelina?

PA.

- UL

... and, as always, TIA.

{ sipping coffee }

+ blue star
O javelina javelina
magnificOoooooo

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Gotcha.

I think the complaining on the board is just a release of sorts and don't put much stock into the rants. It's of course understandable why everyone is unhappy. I just haven't gotten to the point where I no longer care whether we are good and am just content spending my time and money watching and attending games when the product on the field is terrible. Maybe that makes me a fair weather fan but I feel like I'm too busy to sit through unenjoyable drubbings. I did that from 99 to 03 and have other things to do. I guess Briles spoiled me.

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There is a very large contingent of Baylor fans who are either more or less ok with losing in football and/or think we deserve to lose because we have sinned.

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I always think it's funny when you pretend to care about anyone else's motivations or point of view. You're obviously so out of practice, and it shows.

It's not that they're ok with it. I certainly am not. But it is what it is. We don't have the inflated sense of self that leads one to think that being an a-hole on the internet over how well a set of young men played a game on the field is going to do a whole lot of good.

I have hope for Rhule. I think things will be fine in the end. But it's going to take some patience. And patience is one thing being a Baylor fan has taught me.

I think patience is all we can have at this point. I lost hope a couple of games ago, when we looked terrible against a bad KState team.

I just wish I felt this coaching staff knew what it was doing and had a system in place that would work. I just don't have any confidence slow it down I-formation offense is the key to succeeding in this league. I do think Rhule gets a mulligan this year with recruits. If we see little progress next year I see no way he can continue to recruit at a high level. I also think if he sticks with the current offensive scheme, the Texas kids aren't going to want to play here.

I wish we had stuck with the offense that was a great equalizer. I suspect it's gone forever.

ColomboLQ said:

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Ghostrider said:

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Let me just post the excuses:

Bad players
Young players
Lost a recruiting class
No one expected Rhule to win
Rhule is doing as well as Briles his 1st year
This is a process
Rhule only won 2 games his 1st year at Temple
Players still learning system.

There, I saved you 13$ per month from having to read the premium board.

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Sad if true.

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It's not even remotely true. But Ghostrider has a teensy-weensy peepee and as a result feels very bad about himself, and so he comes on here and makes up outlandish stories hoping he will get approval from everyone here now, since all of us ignored him and didn't invite him to any parties when he was a student at Baylor.

You think he will change the offense in the offseason? If so I hope you're right but I just don't see him getting rid of Nixon. He has said he likes iformation football. I suspect it's going to take a few years of getting our teeth kicked in before he realizes that just ain't gonna work. Hopefully he can still recruit quality players at that point.

GruntTuff said:

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MilliVanilli said:

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wuzzy bear said:

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If he is so dang good, why was the decision made to start Anu over Zack. One thing is for sure. We are gonna take a lot of time off the clock and let the defense get ready for every play. Briles approach of stomping on you early and often is my style. It works in college. We shall see. It's way too early to judge his performance but he is not off to the start any of us expected.

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Kirby Freeman started over RG3.

Craig Morton over Roger Staubach and they rotated every play.

Fans have the luxury of hindsight, coaches don't.

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Were you at the first Briles game? I was.

Freeman threw 11 passes, completed 4 for 31 yards with two interceptions. Freeman had played for Briles at Stephenville and Briles was using him as a bridge to Griffin. True freshman Griffin threw 11, completed 19 for 125 yards.

Rhule played a transfer (by the way, is he still injured?) for two complete games (both losses) to terrible teams over a very talented freshman and a sophomore who beat Boise State in a bowl game.

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Freeman was from Brownwood. Thank goodness that Briles discovered his error early and didn't hesitate to yank Kirby.

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You think he will change the offense in the offseason? If so I hope you're right but I just don't see him getting rid of Nixon. He has said he likes iformation football. I suspect it's going to take a few years of getting our teeth kicked in before he realizes that just ain't gonna work. Hopefully he can still recruit quality players at that point.

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I formation might work enough to go 6-7 or 7-6 with an occasional 8-4 or 4-8 and he won't get fired for doing that and the media will treat us like they used to before we started winning the Big 12. I think that's where we are headed. Nebraska, Arkansas type situation.

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Mothra said:

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You think he will change the offense in the offseason? If so I hope you're right but I just don't see him getting rid of Nixon. He has said he likes iformation football. I suspect it's going to take a few years of getting our teeth kicked in before he realizes that just ain't gonna work. Hopefully he can still recruit quality players at that point.

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I formation might work enough to go 6-7 or 7-6 with an occasional 8-4 or 4-8 and he won't get fired for doing that and the media will treat us like they used to before we started winning the Big 12. I think that's where we are headed. Nebraska, Arkansas type situation.

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Yep, and I'm pretty sure that was the goal with this hire. It's disgusting.

Jacques Strap said:

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Mothra said:

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You think he will change the offense in the offseason? If so I hope you're right but I just don't see him getting rid of Nixon. He has said he likes iformation football. I suspect it's going to take a few years of getting our teeth kicked in before he realizes that just ain't gonna work. Hopefully he can still recruit quality players at that point.

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I formation might work enough to go 6-7 or 7-6 with an occasional 8-4 or 4-8 and he won't get fired for doing that and the media will treat us like they used to before we started winning the Big 12. I think that's where we are headed. Nebraska, Arkansas type situation.

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You may be right.

Mothra said:

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Jacques Strap said:

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Mothra said:

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You think he will change the offense in the offseason? If so I hope you're right but I just don't see him getting rid of Nixon. He has said he likes iformation football. I suspect it's going to take a few years of getting our teeth kicked in before he realizes that just ain't gonna work. Hopefully he can still recruit quality players at that point.

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I formation might work enough to go 6-7 or 7-6 with an occasional 8-4 or 4-8 and he won't get fired for doing that and the media will treat us like they used to before we started winning the Big 12. I think that's where we are headed. Nebraska, Arkansas type situation.

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You may be right.

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It's the most probable outcome. Not guaranteed but probable. When CAB was let go many of us (or maybe it was a few of us) on the old BaylorFans said we would probably not hire a coach >= to CAB. I got called a loser with a loser mentality for just offering an opinion that when you fire a coaching unicorn you're probably not going to replace him with another unicorn. Now maybe CMR will be both a unicorn and lightning in a bottle and perhaps he can spot overlooked NFL talent in the Texas HS ranks and stock the roster with players that can win the Big 12 running the I formation. I know we all certainly hope he can but it is not the most likely outcome. In my humble opinion.

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Robert Wilson said:

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Mothra said:

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Gotcha.

I think the complaining on the board is just a release of sorts and don't put much stock into the rants. It's of course understandable why everyone is unhappy. I just haven't gotten to the point where I no longer care whether we are good and am just content spending my time and money watching and attending games when the product on the field is terrible. Maybe that makes me a fair weather fan but I feel like I'm too busy to sit through unenjoyable drubbings. I did that from 99 to 03 and have other things to do. I guess Briles spoiled me.

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There is a very large contingent of Baylor fans who are either more or less ok with losing in football and/or think we deserve to lose because we have sinned.

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I always think it's funny when you pretend to care about anyone else's motivations or point of view. You're obviously so out of practice, and it shows.

It's not that they're ok with it. I certainly am not. But it is what it is. We don't have the inflated sense of self that leads one to think that being an a-hole on the internet over how well a set of young men played a game on the field is going to do a whole lot of good.

I have hope for Rhule. I think things will be fine in the end. But it's going to take some patience. And patience is one thing being a Baylor fan has taught me.

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I like that you assumed I was talking about you.

Have a great day Title IX'ing.

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Mothra said:

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You think he will change the offense in the offseason? If so I hope you're right but I just don't see him getting rid of Nixon. He has said he likes iformation football. I suspect it's going to take a few years of getting our teeth kicked in before he realizes that just ain't gonna work. Hopefully he can still recruit quality players at that point.

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I don't think a change in the offense requires firing Nixon. I think they made a plan together at the beginning of the year and some of the things they chose to run have not worked. We don't have the talent up front to run the iformation and we won't have that kind of talent within the next 3 years. We currently run AND pass much more effectively out of the shotgun. I would hope that in the offseason and these next few weeks we realize that and try to make adjustments to our shotgun sets. Tech had a lot of success against West Virginia in Morgantown so I expect a lot of points out of our offense this week and in many of the games (and even more so seasons) moving forward.

If he keeps this recruiting class together then we will be fine because we should make a bowl next year if he finds the right JUCOs and develops the current roster properly. Once you start making bowl games and being competitive again you can sell "the process" more and more.

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He doesn't need to be fired. But he does need to be relieved of his play calling duties.

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Mothra said:

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You think he will change the offense in the offseason? If so I hope you're right but I just don't see him getting rid of Nixon. He has said he likes iformation football. I suspect it's going to take a few years of getting our teeth kicked in before he realizes that just ain't gonna work. Hopefully he can still recruit quality players at that point.

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I don't think a change in the offense requires firing Nixon. I think they made a plan together at the beginning of the year and some of the things they chose to run have not worked. We don't have the talent up front to run the iformation and we won't have that kind of talent within the next 3 years. We currently run AND pass much more effectively out of the shotgun. I would hope that in the offseason and these next few weeks we realize that and try to make adjustments to our shotgun sets. Tech had a lot of success against West Virginia in Morgantown so I expect a lot of points out of our offense this week and in many of the games (and even more so seasons) moving forward.

If he keeps this recruiting class together then we will be fine because we should make a bowl next year if he finds the right JUCOs and develops the current roster properly. Once you start making bowl games and being competitive again you can sell "the process" more and more.

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Thanks. Isn't it sad that we went from one of the most potent offenses in the NCAA to having to this? And now we have to scrap an offensive system that doesn't work after one season. Doesn't inspire much confidence going forward.

Let's hope that he gets a clue on the offensive side of the ball in the offseason. I just don't have much confidence that an OC that has been a failure is going to be able to find a working plan B in the offseason.

graysongrundhoefer said:

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Mothra said:

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graysongrundhoefer said:

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Mothra said:

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You think he will change the offense in the offseason? If so I hope you're right but I just don't see him getting rid of Nixon. He has said he likes iformation football. I suspect it's going to take a few years of getting our teeth kicked in before he realizes that just ain't gonna work. Hopefully he can still recruit quality players at that point.

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I don't think a change in the offense requires firing Nixon. I think they made a plan together at the beginning of the year and some of the things they chose to run have not worked. We don't have the talent up front to run the iformation and we won't have that kind of talent within the next 3 years. We currently run AND pass much more effectively out of the shotgun. I would hope that in the offseason and these next few weeks we realize that and try to make adjustments to our shotgun sets. Tech had a lot of success against West Virginia in Morgantown so I expect a lot of points out of our offense this week and in many of the games (and even more so seasons) moving forward.

If he keeps this recruiting class together then we will be fine because we should make a bowl next year if he finds the right JUCOs and develops the current roster properly. Once you start making bowl games and being competitive again you can sell "the process" more and more.

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Thanks. Isn't it sad that we went from one of the most potent offenses in the NCAA to having to this? And now we have to scrap an offensive system that doesn't work after one season. Doesn't inspire much confidence going forward.

Let's hope that he gets a clue on the offensive side of the ball in the offseason. I just don't have much confidence that an OC that has been a failure is going to be able to find a working plan B in the offseason.

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It is super tough for me I have only been a Baylor fan since 2012 because that is the time period I went to school there. So I was spoiled during the glory years of 2 Big 12 Championships and our best team ever in 2015(let's not get into that sadness). It is tough but I also understand that no one is Art Briles as an offensive coach but that is not necessarily a bad thing. Rhule has not coached in this league so he will NEED an adjustment period just like Gary Patterson did his first 2 years in even though he had been coaching that team for years. (also don't forget Gary has had two 7 win seasons and a 4 win season to go along with his good seasons in the Big 12) It takes time to learn from your mistakes I just hope Rhule can learn quickly unlike Charlie Strong and more like Patterson.

Plan B is sometimes the way to go. First time through is all about learning and adjusting.

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Indeed you have been spoiled. I was at Baylor for Reedy, and then bought my first season tickets in '99 - Steele's first season. And that's the thing that scares many of us middle aged folk. This looks awfully similar.

Let's hope Rhule can adapt. He's going to have to make big changes in the offseason.

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Mothra said:

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You think he will change the offense in the offseason? If so I hope you're right but I just don't see him getting rid of Nixon. He has said he likes iformation football. I suspect it's going to take a few years of getting our teeth kicked in before he realizes that just ain't gonna work. Hopefully he can still recruit quality players at that point.

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I don't think a change in the offense requires firing Nixon. I think they made a plan together at the beginning of the year and some of the things they chose to run have not worked. We don't have the talent up front to run the iformation and we won't have that kind of talent within the next 3 years. We currently run AND pass much more effectively out of the shotgun. I would hope that in the offseason and these next few weeks we realize that and try to make adjustments to our shotgun sets. Tech had a lot of success against West Virginia in Morgantown so I expect a lot of points out of our offense this week and in many of the games (and even more so seasons) moving forward.

If he keeps this recruiting class together then we will be fine because we should make a bowl next year if he finds the right JUCOs and develops the current roster properly. Once you start making bowl games and being competitive again you can sell "the process" more and more.

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I would guess that the current offensive scheme was why Lubick left.

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YoakDaddy said:

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graysongrundhoefer said:

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Mothra said:

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You think he will change the offense in the offseason? If so I hope you're right but I just don't see him getting rid of Nixon. He has said he likes iformation football. I suspect it's going to take a few years of getting our teeth kicked in before he realizes that just ain't gonna work. Hopefully he can still recruit quality players at that point.

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I don't think a change in the offense requires firing Nixon. I think they made a plan together at the beginning of the year and some of the things they chose to run have not worked. We don't have the talent up front to run the iformation and we won't have that kind of talent within the next 3 years. We currently run AND pass much more effectively out of the shotgun. I would hope that in the offseason and these next few weeks we realize that and try to make adjustments to our shotgun sets. Tech had a lot of success against West Virginia in Morgantown so I expect a lot of points out of our offense this week and in many of the games (and even more so seasons) moving forward.

If he keeps this recruiting class together then we will be fine because we should make a bowl next year if he finds the right JUCOs and develops the current roster properly. Once you start making bowl games and being competitive again you can sell "the process" more and more.

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I would guess that the current offensive scheme was why Lubick left.

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Or ego cause Nixon was gonna call the plays?

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Could be that too since nobody has publicly stated why Lubick took off after only a few weeks? on the job.

YoakDaddy said:

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graysongrundhoefer said:

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YoakDaddy said:

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graysongrundhoefer said:

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Mothra said:

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You think he will change the offense in the offseason? If so I hope you're right but I just don't see him getting rid of Nixon. He has said he likes iformation football. I suspect it's going to take a few years of getting our teeth kicked in before he realizes that just ain't gonna work. Hopefully he can still recruit quality players at that point.

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I don't think a change in the offense requires firing Nixon. I think they made a plan together at the beginning of the year and some of the things they chose to run have not worked. We don't have the talent up front to run the iformation and we won't have that kind of talent within the next 3 years. We currently run AND pass much more effectively out of the shotgun. I would hope that in the offseason and these next few weeks we realize that and try to make adjustments to our shotgun sets. Tech had a lot of success against West Virginia in Morgantown so I expect a lot of points out of our offense this week and in many of the games (and even more so seasons) moving forward.

If he keeps this recruiting class together then we will be fine because we should make a bowl next year if he finds the right JUCOs and develops the current roster properly. Once you start making bowl games and being competitive again you can sell "the process" more and more.

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I would guess that the current offensive scheme was why Lubick left.

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Or ego cause Nixon was gonna call the plays?

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Could be that too since nobody has publicly stated why Lubick took off after only a few weeks? on the job.

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He actually did that twice, leaving another job basically before he started it to take the job at Baylor.
Did it ever occur to anyone that maybe that's just his personality?

One side note -football coaches weren't exactly beating down our door to come here, much like when Scott Drew took over the basketball program. Drew began his overhaul in 2003 when he took over a program decimated by tragedy, player departures, a depleted roster and NCAA restrictions. He slowly and methodically turned the program around by recruiting a solid foundation of talented high school players that, after earning valuable playing experience early in their careers, brought wins to Baylor as upperclassmen under Drew.

He took a beating on BaylorFans.com and other boards as we sucked for a while. Scott has done a very reasonable job. 8-21 his first year, 9-19 his second and 4-13 his third... but since then;

Drew leading the team to nine 20-win seasons, nine postseason appearances, the Big 12's first NIT championship, Baylor's first postseason tournament title in its 110-year history, and a school-record 19 postseason wins. Additionally, Baylor is one of 12 programs to be nationally ranked in each of the last 10 seasons, and BU is one of only nine teams to earn No. 6 seeds or better in each of the last four NCAA Tournaments.

The Bears advanced to the NCAA Tournament Elite Eight in 2010 and 2012, made the NCAA Sweet 16 in 2014 and 2017, won the 2013 NIT championship and advanced to the 2009 NIT championship game. BU also played in the 2008 NCAA Tournament, marking its first NCAA Tournament appearance since 1988, and the Bears have gone to the NCAA Tournament in each of the last four seasons, marking the first consecutive NCAA Tournament appearances in program history.

Baylor's 19-7 postseason record over the last nine seasons is the nation's sixth-best among teams with at least three NCAA Tournament appearances. The Bears went 5-0 to win the 2013 NIT title, posted 3-1 records on their way to the Elite Eight in both the 2010 and 2012 NCAA Tournaments, BU went 2-1 to advance to the 2014 and 2017 Sweet 16, and Drew led Baylor to four wins en route to the 2009 NIT title game. Baylor's 19 postseason wins since 2009 rank sixth nationally behind only North Carolina (31), Kentucky (28), Duke (22), Michigan State (21) and Kansas (21).

Drew is the youngest of 12 coaches nationally to lead his current team to four Sweet 16s since 2010. He is the only coach to guide Baylor to nine postseason appearances and is responsible for 19 of the program's 22 all-time postseason wins. His teams have averaged 24 wins over the last 10 seasons, giving Baylor a school-record 10 straight winning campaigns. Drew has compiled a 297-191 overall record with a 277-180 mark in 14 seasons at Baylor.

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Point being, we weren't a premier landing facility for an NCAA football coach given the Title 9 issues, ongoing possible sanctions and potential for other undisclosed incidents. I dont know if there was a better hire as far as dealing with these issues. Rhule has been forthright and fully up front in dealing with these things.

I will give Rhule the time he needs to build the program. I'm staying the course Coach. If Coach Drew can do it, so can you.

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You think he will change the offense in the offseason? If so I hope you're right but I just don't see him getting rid of Nixon. He has said he likes iformation football. I suspect it's going to take a few years of getting our teeth kicked in before he realizes that just ain't gonna work. Hopefully he can still recruit quality players at that point.

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I don't think a change in the offense requires firing Nixon. I think they made a plan together at the beginning of the year and some of the things they chose to run have not worked. We don't have the talent up front to run the iformation and we won't have that kind of talent within the next 3 years. We currently run AND pass much more effectively out of the shotgun. I would hope that in the offseason and these next few weeks we realize that and try to make adjustments to our shotgun sets. Tech had a lot of success against West Virginia in Morgantown so I expect a lot of points out of our offense this week and in many of the games (and even more so seasons) moving forward.

If he keeps this recruiting class together then we will be fine because we should make a bowl next year if he finds the right JUCOs and develops the current roster properly. Once you start making bowl games and being competitive again you can sell "the process" more and more.

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He doesn't need to be fired. But he does need to be relieved of his play calling duties.

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BUT he is - at this point - a crook - is he not?.

Discuss.

I'll hang up and self-medicate.

W/ coffee. And donuts.

- BUmma